Nope, gallente have therm/kin bonuses, and the Astarte got a slight buff to those. Doesn't help jack against anything shooting lazors/ACs/missiles. Local rep bonus is good for solo/very small gang. These ships are made for all fleet sizes, and since Damnation doesn't boost skirmish, you either gotta go without in say, a 20-man BS fight, or ignore the local rep bonus, making it wortless.

good thing we're paying attention to all the correct things in this thread, right? lets just ignore the fact that these changes won't do **** for minmatar/gallente cs outside of 1v1s and make ****** superficial jokes about an off-topic ship class

But you are right on one point, derailing the thread is bad, my apologies, I'll stop that now. Bad Ytterbium, bad.

Eos:
Gallente Battlecruiser skill bonuses:
7.5% bonus to Armor Repairer effectiveness
10% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints (was 5% MHT damage)
Command Ships skill bonuses:
7.5% bonus to Heavy Drone tracking and microwarp velocity (was drone bay bonus)
7.5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret tracking (was link bonus)
Fixed Bonus:
Can fit up to three Warfare Link modules, 15% bonus to strength of Armored Warfare and Skirmish Warfare links

I'm also a bit surprised these have the same number of slots as combat battlecruisers. I'd expected them all to gain the 1 slot the sleip and claymore had over them, rather than the sleip and claymore loose a slot. Indeed, they have the same 10 mids+lows as most hacs now.

That's actually a pretty decent buff to base resists, and it's effectiveness is dependent on what the enemy is shooting. Lasers do EM/Thermal by the way, and Caldari frequently are using Kinetic missiles due to their bonus restrictions. Projectile ammo frequently will be affected as well.

Yes, it's not as high resists across the board and more vulnerable to high alpha in a fleet situation, but hardly an easy target if set up properly. Past that point the 15% boost all active tanking just got isn't anything to sneeze at, especially in an encounter like the 20 man BS fight you gave as an example.

so they all are the same just with different weapons?:O

Why so serious? Do you wanna know how I got these scars?

Yep, Fozzie, Rise and I never talk to each other regarding ship balancing changes, despite the fact we sit 5 meters apart. And besides, nobody cares about Marauders right? But you are right on one point, derailing the thread is bad, my apologies, I'll stop that now. Bad Ytterbium, bad.

It's going from 10.9 effective turrets to 10. However I expect the two utility highs, lower mass and extra resists to more than compensate.

It's going from 10.9 effective turrets to 10. However I expect the two utility highs, lower mass and extra resists to more than compensate.

10.9375 to 9.375, please stop rounding numbers so biasedly.

Can someone please explain to me how the Nighthawk isn't totally outclassed by the Claymore in every way imaginable.

Claymore has + speed, + drone bay, 2 non damage specific bonuses, + agility, lower mass (nighhawk actually go more massand worse agility WTF?), an extra tank mid slot, better distribution of resistances good for fleet work, a solo boost bonus....... and on and on and on.

Claymore is better on DPS in every way fashonable... and nearly 50% higher dps when not using kinetic on either ship.

Was the Nighthawk not **** before... are you just finding ways for people not to fly it now?

It's a decent buff if the opponent is shooting Multifreq, Phased Plasma or Scourge, yes.
What is the damage distribution on scorch, the most commonly used crystal in a kiting Pulse Oracle? (Answer:36EM/8therm) Any Missile ship shooting kin at a Gallente hull desrves to lose, and it's not very common now. With the changes to Phoons and Ravens, do you really think this large-sigged ship will survive long in a BS fight without ignoring its hull bonus?

In a 20 v 20 BS fight, 2k local reps is worth nothing, since you need to gimp you buffer to fit it. Think paint+webs+large sig+lowish buffer.

something something leave brittany (my astarte) alone! Not only is it a damage nerf, but the grid is taking a huge hit. I though command ships were getting boosted. Guess I was wrong. Time to sell. Good to know. I guess off grid t3 links are the only viable option.

10.9375 to 9.375, please stop rounding numbers so biasedly.

Can someone please explain to me how the Nighthawk isn't totally outclassed by the Claymore in every way imaginable.

Claymore has + speed, + drone bay, 2 non damage specific bonuses, + agility, lower mass (nighhawk actually go more massand worse agility WTF?), an extra tank mid slot, better distribution of resistances good for fleet work, a solo boost bonus....... and on and on and on.

Claymore is better on DPS in every way fashonable... and nearly 50% higher dps when not using kinetic on either ship.

Was the Nighthawk not **** before... are you just finding ways for people not to fly it now?

because when doing its main damage type, the nighthawk had 10 effective launchers while the claymore has 8 effective launchers?

Seriously, how often does damage selection actually matter? its not like people omni-tank or anything . . .

Also, the NH has the resist bonus which is orders of magnitude better than the worse-than-useless local rep bonus

honestly dude, ive never seen you post anything positive on these forums . . . ive come to the conclusion that you just dont like change.