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Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2005.12.29 17:26:00 - [421] Originally by: Rod Blaine The rule was like this from the start guys. Warp out = you get deaded anyway. It just seems it wasn't enforced with SMASH and that other ships that warped ealier on in the tourni That sortof implies it wasnt like this at the start doesnt it?
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2005.12.29 17:26:00 - [422] which in itself is balls tbh. either apply or do not apply. .... Alts : The forum equivalent of a WCS ?
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.12.29 17:28:00 - [423] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Originally by: Rod Blaine The rule was like this from the start guys. Warp out = you get deaded anyway. It just seems it wasn't enforced with SMASH and that other ships that warped ealier on in the tourni That sortof implies it wasnt like this at the start doesnt it? Well, it was in the rules from the start :p No, not enforcing it is bad, I agree. We'll blow up a smash domi for you. _______________________________________________ Power to the players !
Drilla	Posted - 2005.12.29 17:30:00 - [424] Originally by: Rod Blaine The rule was like this from the start guys. Warp out = you get deaded anyway. It just seems it wasn't enforced with SMASH and that other ships that warped ealier on in the tourni Yea - sucks that they choose to enforce this now and not consistently. I'm not whining the loss but how it was lost. Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2005.12.29 17:56:00 - [425] Originally by: Rod Blaine Well, it was in the rules from the start :p I cant find it in the rules mate. Originally by: Rod Blaine No, not enforcing it is bad, I agree. We'll blow up a smash domi for you. Been there, done that. On a sidenote, the rules also that all spectators must fly shuttles. There's two dozen spectators, in ships ranging from Polaris to Covert Ops to whateverthe**, all locking the Contestants and being general pain-in-the-asses. Suddenly those rules aren't being enforced again? Just **es me off.
Drilla	Posted - 2005.12.29 18:02:00 - [426] Originally by: Rod Blaine The rule was like this from the start guys. Warp out = you get deaded anyway. It just seems it wasn't enforced with SMASH and that other ships that warped ealier on in the tourni Where does it say that? THIS IS THE RULES: # The match area will be a 100 km radius. If a team member goes outside that radius, his team will be disqualified. If a team member warps away from the arena, his team will lose the match. Teams will start 50 km away from each other. Whatever is in the MOTD and not in the official rules are not worth anything. Where in the rules does it say read the MOTD for updates on rulechanges - which evemail to the contestans does it say read the MOTD for updates on rulechanges. I'm not gunning for you Rod as you have nothing to do with it I'm just genrally ****ed off as Chow wouldn't have warped had this rule been enforced in our match yesterday. Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
Pastor Wallace	Posted - 2005.12.29 18:06:00 - [427] That was ridiculous. Here is a link to the rules page, as far as i am concerned a rule not here is not a rule. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=267163 Now will someone show me the part where it says if you warp out you get killed, . Hmmm seems to me it says if you warp out, you loose the match. You cant change rules as you please, or choose to change how rules are made known to contestants as you please. And If we had Known this so called "rule" we would not have warped out. We would have stayed and fought, since we were going to loose the ship anyway. IMO the devs own our alliance a fitted Macariel.
Sykosys	Posted - 2005.12.29 18:13:00 - [428] Argueing over the validity of these rules really isn't going to change anything. It sucks yes but still. Hopefully in the future matches they will enforce the rules more appropriatly. SYKOSYS _______________________ "She'll fly apart sir," "FLY HER APART THEN!!!"
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2005.12.29 18:45:00 - [429] You really think that people will PARTICIPATE in anything CCP do after this kind of ****? I certainly would never ever even consider it. Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."

Veritech	Posted - 2005.12.29 18:46:00 - [430] Updated rules to match the MOTD in the tournament channel. Contestants are advised to read the MOTD in any case, as it may contain extra information or updates not posted here.


JohnnyWatcher	Posted - 2005.12.29 19:01:00 - [431] Changing the rules, or treating different people differently in a tournament like this, hurts the credibility of this game, and the events arranged. If this is the way things goes, who's going to waste their time in an event like this again, if you don't know what will happen next time... Breaking/changing one rule, opens the possibility to do the same thing again... Even if this is not reality, people actually spend their time on this, and should be treated with respect for doing this, and this stunt is nothing but a waste of peoples time really. The idea with this tournament was good, the way it was handled - unprofessional, and subjective. Rules are rules, no matter if you're a contestant or judge... And shouldn't be altered, during the tournament. Who knows, maybe the arranger dislikes the winner and pops their ships too? Nothing is impossible now
Lungorthin	Posted - 2005.12.29 19:06:00 - [432] Edited by: Lungorthin on 29/12/2005 19:06:45 Originally by: Veritech Updated rules to match the MOTD in the tournament channel. Contestants are advised to read the MOTD in any case, as it may contain extra information or updates not posted here. Call me blind if you want, but I still don't see that change. And I protest vehemently for this mid-of-the-way change to destroy surrendering ships. A warp out is a surrender, the rules clearly state that warping out means loosing. Many sports including full contact sports honor this. E. g. "throwing the towel" in boxing. Your rules did not state that you would destroy surrendering ships. Shame on you, I protest. If it would have been a rule right from the beginning, then all ok. But not such draconian measure halfways. Give rules from the start and stick to them!
BOldMan	Posted - 2005.12.29 19:14:00 - [433] Another patch on rules? Sad. Originally by: Treacle Shazboat Trying to buy from the market. The buy window is blank. Try to send a petition dropped me to the desktop.
Zachios Primos	Posted - 2005.12.29 19:21:00 - [434] and fyi the other ships did go pop __________________________________ Botox Bandits - Got shot? __________________________________
JohnnyWatcher	Posted - 2005.12.29 19:33:00 - [435] The other ships? Would that be the ones who warped out earlier but didn't get affected by the rule that just came to couple of hours ago? Well... Still i would say, credibility towards this kind of events in the future is at 0 for my behalf. Putting out small fires by creating a rule AFTER it has been used in action?! Good thing this doesn't happen in real life... Death penalty, and then the law is implemented a couple of months later to justify it... Maybe i'm the only one who can see the funny part here?
Zachios Primos	Posted - 2005.12.29 19:37:00 - [436] while i agree that it is uncalled for to implemented a rule mid tournament, it was still implemented for all warp outs; at least for the zealot(or whatever it was) as the post i linked to states __________________________________ Botox Bandits - Got shot? __________________________________
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.12.29 19:54:00 - [437] Originally by: Zachios Primos while i agree that it is uncalled for to implemented a rule mid tournament, it was still implemented for all warp outs; at least for the zealot(or whatever it was) as the post i linked to states It was the zealot that flew for the MC fight, which was quite an early round. AFAIK, the rule has been inforced on every occasion apart from the SMASH dominix, but his humiliation should be enough for flying with 7 stabs into a PVP tournament As for the mach getting popped, it was gonna die anyway, does it really matter? My Latest Vid (16/11/05)
Zachios Primos	Posted - 2005.12.29 20:06:00 - [438] well which would you prefer: die in battle or die by code __________________________________ Botox Bandits - Got shot? __________________________________
KilROCK	Posted - 2005.12.29 20:57:00 - [439] i think tyrrak will warp his geddon out if he comes close to lose it, no way he's going to get it blown up
Drilla	Posted - 2005.12.29 21:06:00 - [440] Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Zachios Primos while i agree that it is uncalled for to implemented a rule mid tournament, it was still implemented for all warp outs; at least for the zealot(or whatever it was) as the post i linked to states It was the zealot that flew for the MC fight, which was quite an early round. AFAIK, the rule has been inforced on every occasion apart from the SMASH dominix, but his humiliation should be enough for flying with 7 stabs into a PVP tournament As for the mach getting popped, it was gonna die anyway, does it really matter? Yes it does Eyeshadow as the Dominix left alive was IN OUR MATCH and as such we had no idea this unknown rule was ever enforced?!? Point is that Chow knew that he wouldn't be able to beat them, but who's to say he couldn't have dragged out the match 3-4 minutes and saved the Macharial and loose on the ship ratio? What if Chow accidently went outside 100km from Eris, does his ship get destroyed too? Chow knew the tournament was delayed (we didn't start on time) and just wanted to admit the defeat (he wrote GG in local before even warping). Why aren't all ships destroyed as soon as you loose? Like a guy tanks the enemy alone - his ship should get blown up too when match is over as well, where's the difference? CCP/LeMonde only have one fair choice and that's to replace the Macharial - update the rules and apologize for screwing up. But it would require 'someone' to man up and I highly doubt this is possible, look at the track record for CCP and admitting mistakes yawn Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!

Jim Raynor	Posted - 2005.12.29 21:23:00 - [441] Originally by: Drilla Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Zachios Primos while i agree that it is uncalled for to implemented a rule mid tournament, it was still implemented for all warp outs; at least for the zealot(or whatever it was) as the post i linked to states It was the zealot that flew for the MC fight, which was quite an early round. AFAIK, the rule has been inforced on every occasion apart from the SMASH dominix, but his humiliation should be enough for flying with 7 stabs into a PVP tournament As for the mach getting popped, it was gonna die anyway, does it really matter? Yes it does Eyeshadow as the Dominix left alive was IN OUR MATCH and as such we had no idea this unknown rule was ever enforced?!? Point is that Chow knew that he wouldn't be able to beat them, but who's to say he couldn't have dragged out the match 3-4 minutes and saved the Macharial and loose on the ship ratio? What if Chow accidently went outside 100km from Eris, does his ship get destroyed too? Chow knew the tournament was delayed (we didn't start on time) and just wanted to admit the defeat (he wrote GG in local before even warping). Why aren't all ships destroyed as soon as you loose? Like a guy tanks the enemy alone - his ship should get blown up too when match is over as well, where's the difference? CCP/LeMonde only have one fair choice and that's to replace the Macharial - update the rules and apologize for screwing up. But it would require 'someone' to man up and I highly doubt this is possible, look at the track record for CCP and admitting mistakes yawn I've heard the devs will /heal 0 any ship warping out since day one from word of mouth.. ------
Azuriel Talloth	Posted - 2005.12.29 21:24:00 - [442] Double standards for the lose
Wizie	Posted - 2005.12.29 21:24:00 - [443] Originally by: Jim Raynor Originally by: Drilla Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Zachios Primos while i agree that it is uncalled for to implemented a rule mid tournament, it was still implemented for all warp outs; at least for the zealot(or whatever it was) as the post i linked to states It was the zealot that flew for the MC fight, which was quite an early round. AFAIK, the rule has been inforced on every occasion apart from the SMASH dominix, but his humiliation should be enough for flying with 7 stabs into a PVP tournament As for the mach getting popped, it was gonna die anyway, does it really matter? Yes it does Eyeshadow as the Dominix left alive was IN OUR MATCH and as such we had no idea this unknown rule was ever enforced?!? Point is that Chow knew that he wouldn't be able to beat them, but who's to say he couldn't have dragged out the match 3-4 minutes and saved the Macharial and loose on the ship ratio? What if Chow accidently went outside 100km from Eris, does his ship get destroyed too? Chow knew the tournament was delayed (we didn't start on time) and just wanted to admit the defeat (he wrote GG in local before even warping). Why aren't all ships destroyed as soon as you loose? Like a guy tanks the enemy alone - his ship should get blown up too when match is over as well, where's the difference? CCP/LeMonde only have one fair choice and that's to replace the Macharial - update the rules and apologize for screwing up. But it would require 'someone' to man up and I highly doubt this is possible, look at the track record for CCP and admitting mistakes yawn I've heard the devs will /heal 0 any ship warping out since day one from word of mouth.. I didn't
NebulousBlur	Posted - 2005.12.29 21:26:00 - [444] I agree with Drilla -- if the rules are changed during the tournament, whoever is directing the tournament should make sure that all parties are aware of all of the changes before each match. To punish players for a rule that was implemented after the original rules were laid down is unfair.
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.12.29 21:33:00 - [445] "i think tyrrak will warp his geddon out if he comes close to lose it, no way he's going to get it blown up" You're talking of person who got the only Golden Magnate in existence blown up. Really think Imperial Apocalypse is worth more than that? ;s
KINGPEACH	Posted - 2005.12.29 21:38:00 - [446] Originally by: LeMonde The alliance PVP championships are now being held for the first time. This post is aimed at giving you more detailed info about the event, aswell as list the eligible alliances. The tournament will be held December 28th-30th between 15:00 & 01:00 Last rules update: 29/12/05 13:10 GMT Tournament Rules Each alliance will select three of their best and brightest PVP pilots to compete on its behalf. The format is single elimination. Each team will have one battleship pilot, one cruiser pilot and one frigate pilot. Pilots will bring their own ships/modules. No reimbursement will be made for lost items. Pod-killing another competitor on purpose will result in disqualification. If a player warps out of the arena for whatever reason during the fight, his/her ship will be destroyed. Should one or more members of the team not show up for an event, the remaining team members can still compete. Matches will be held in a closed arena. Each alliance can select one spectator (who must pilot a shuttle). Contestants should be ready and set up 30 minutes before their match starts. They will then be transferred to the tournament location. Each match lasts 10 minutes. If both teams still have survivors, the team with the most people alive wins. If both teams have the same ammount of people alive, the team with the biggest ships alive will be declared winner. If those are still the same, the team with the cheapest modules will be declared winner. Extra time may be given by referee depending on the situation at hand. The quarter-finals, semi-finals and finals will get additional time. The match area will be a 100 km radius. If a team member goes outside that radius, his team will be disqualified. If a team member warps away from the arena, his team will lose the match. Teams will start 50 km away from each other. If a pilot does not show up for his/her match, then that teams substitute pilot can take their place. Should the pilot return at any time during the tournament (except while a match is going on), he can switch places back with the subsitute pilot. Fitting Rules/Restrictions All ships are allowed, including tech 2 and faction ships. Any and all variants of warp disruptors, target jammers, sensor dampeners and tracking disruptors are not allowed, this includes drones that might have these effects. As stated before, each team will have 3 pilots. The first pilot can select any battleship available in Eve, including empire and pirate faction ships. The second pilot does the same for cruisers and the third for frigates. Officer, faction and deadspace modules are not allowed. Tech 1 and metatypes are allowed. Tech 2 is allowed. COSMOS modules are allowed. Ship/setup changes between matches are allowed. Players will have a chance to replenish ammunition, charges and drones. Cloaking is not allowed. If a is player found using disallowed modules, his team will be disqualified. Players will be given atleast two hours between fights to refit/replace their ships. [*]Wasp II drones are not allowed. CCP destroyed the tournament. And Tyrrax Thorrk DID NOT WIN. During the last part of the battle it was me in a Macherial vs Tyrrax Thorrk in what I thought was a Armageddon, Suddenly an Unknown ship appeared . Some Unknown Pirate Player rolled up and came right toward me out of the blue and bumped my ship to stop me from moving so I could not back out of the web. So I see 2 Major Rules Broken and all CCP did was laugh at me. Rule 1. How can it be allowed that Tyrrax Thorrk can use an Imperial Ship When it is impossible for any player to purchase one or even get a Blue Print. That ship is only Available to him . Rule 2. A fourth player was on the battle field that was not to be allowed and CCP said. (LeMonde) oh well we don't think the out come would have changed. There can be no post to Dispute this argument. My team would have Cleary won that battle if not for those 2 cheat tactics. And for my own team mate that was in the battle with me to say : GO TYRRAX!!! Imperial Armageddon vs Machariel in the end, Geddon came out on top. ROCK FTW! Can't wait to see the fraps of this one :) Is a complete slap in the face.. This Tournament is a joke. And no I am not whining. But really. Imperial Armageddon ??????? after all isn't that supposed to be the prize. All ships are allowed, including tech 2 and faction ships. Imperial Armageddon IS NOT EITHER . Rule 1 Broken KINGPEACH
Angelus X	Posted - 2005.12.29 21:41:00 - [447] Can anyone point me to the correct place about whinging about the eve radio DJ's ? Seriously, the two that have been doing the commentating over the last two days don't know jack **** about eve. Fair dues they try hard, and are obviously good DJ's, but can we please please please get someone commentating who is more experienced in PvP, hell even Eve. It's making eve-radio look very poor imo. --------------------
KilROCK	Posted - 2005.12.29 21:45:00 - [448] Originally by: j0sephine "i think tyrrak will warp his geddon out if he comes close to lose it, no way he's going to get it blown up" You're talking of person who got the only Golden Magnate in existence blown up. Really think Imperial Apocalypse is worth more than that? ;s Well, I didn't read the rules saying they'd be blowing up ships if they warped out or whatever... I'd think he'd be smart enough not to lose 2 rare ship in a row... Or is that what he wants in EVE, to be rememebered as the guy who lost the most Collection ships...
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.12.29 21:49:00 - [449] "All ships are allowed, including tech 2 and faction ships. Imperial Armageddon IS NOT EITHER . Rule 1 Broken" Imperial Armageddon falls under the "all ships" category...
Man Upright	Posted - 2005.12.29 22:16:00 - [450] i'm so sick of people blaming the rising levels of the oceans on global warming. it's seems obvious to me that the real reason lies in the overflow of tears coming from certain people in this thread. wah. wah wah. boo cry squirt.



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