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DJTheBaron	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:03:00 - [61] saying miners have 0 defence simlpy isnt good enough, they should have other players keeping npc spawns AND PIRATES off their backs __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
Bazman	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:04:00 - [62] Edited by: Bazman on 07/01/2006 19:05:03 Originally by: Syrec To the Original Poster: The ships you are hunting have no guns, no ECM, no energy draining, no defense, and yet you're sitting here on this very forum complaining that it's too hard to kill them. ... To the proposed change: A change like this would probably just keep everyone in boring old empire space. Miners would start losing their 100m+ mining ships much faster than they could make mining ore. Short term this change would be great for pirates, but long term from this change will leave no defenseless miners in space for you to gank. They will all move to empire where they can mine ombers and scordites in peace. The only miners left will be heavily guarded alliance miners, and you'd have to go up against other combat ships to get to them. Since you're main complaint here is about your main prey, defenceless miners, being too hard to kill.. I don't expect that you'd be able to handle fighting other combat ships. That would be perfect! Want to kill a mining op? You have to go through there escort to get to them. PERFECT. As it is you can sit all day long mining and never be at risk, at all, ever. Hi TomB! All out Do or Die Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks.
Syrec	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:06:00 - [63] Originally by: DJTheBaron this may be unfair but i would like to see dust clouds formed and increase over time while lasers are active, that prevent warping within a certian radius, ... Yes it would be unfair. What do you call a mining ship that is stuck in one spot while being fired upon? A sitting duck, a target, defenseless hunk of scrap metal. Any of these terms will do. If you're so up on risk vs reward, why exactly do you want to hunt miners with no risk? Sorry, but a mining ship that can't warp away is a risk-free kill. Currently the only risk with hunting miners is that they warp out, meaning a risk of time.. which some would argue isn't a risk at all. Now you want to make it even easier? Oh please, stop.. I can't stop giggling
Ruby StarFire	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:07:00 - [64] Originally by: Bazman ... since any halfwit knows how to make it completely risk free ... I think you've completely missed the meaning of risk-free there. It denotes the ability to do nothing and STILL be at no greater risk that if you were doing something... NPC's donot just passover you if you afk in a belt. Just becasue the occasional halfwit manages to kill the NPC doesn't mean its riskless... I do feel for you though... not being able to get your daily quota of miner gankage does wear thin after a few days of searching. My advice is look for something thats willing to shoot you back, and have a bit of fun with that... ____ Day 2 - When do I get my e-mail CCP?
Bazman	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:10:00 - [65] Originally by: Ruby StarFire Originally by: Bazman ... since any halfwit knows how to make it completely risk free ... I think you've completely missed the meaning of risk-free there. It denotes the ability to do nothing and STILL be at no greater risk that if you were doing something... NPC's donot just passover you if you afk in a belt. Just becasue the occasional halfwit manages to kill the NPC doesn't mean its riskless... I do feel for you though... not being able to get your daily quota of miner gankage does wear thin after a few days of searching. My advice is look for something thats willing to shoot you back, and have a bit of fun with that... Do you even mine in 0.0? If you do, then you would know theres a way to simply bypass the NPC's Hi TomB! All out Do or Die Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks.
Syrec	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:11:00 - [66] Originally by: Bazman As it is you can sit all day long mining and never be at risk, at all, ever. There is no risk in hunting defenseless miners, which basicaly throws your argument about risk right out the window. I said it once and I said it again, you're all complaining about not being able to get free kills. No doubt you are still popping miners and haulers, but apparently every miner should stay in place and bend over to get popped in any system you enter.
Ruby StarFire	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:11:00 - [67] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 07/01/2006 19:02:15 Originally by: Ruby StarFire A pirate comes in and scans the system ONCE to see if there are any targets. Have you ever scanned a system? Clearly not. See, the scanner only has a range of 14 AU. Systems can be up to 200 AU wide, in multiple directions. Manually scanning that takes half an hour, especially if you factor scanner lag in. Try finding a smaller system to make it easier on yerself then . I play about in A-ELE2, which, from time to time, gets infested with groups of ppl trying to kill me. Sometimes there on me within 30 seconds of entering a system, and only if there stupid, does it take them 30 mins... Thankfully, the've never caught me yet tho ____ Day 2 - When do I get my e-mail CCP?
Syrec	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:12:00 - [68] Originally by: Bazman Do you even mine in 0.0? If you do, then you would know theres a way to simply bypass the NPC's Not all of us 'sploit the NPCs like you do.
Bazman	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:13:00 - [69] Originally by: Syrec Originally by: Bazman As it is you can sit all day long mining and never be at risk, at all, ever. There is no risk in hunting defenseless miners, which basicaly throws your argument about risk right out the window. I said it once and I said it again, you're all complaining about not being able to get free kills. No doubt you are still popping miners and haulers, but apparently every miner should stay in place and bend over to get popped in any system you enter. lol, way to miss the point of the thread Hi TomB! All out Do or Die Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks.
Ruby StarFire	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:14:00 - [70] Originally by: Bazman Do you even mine in 0.0? If you do, then you would know theres a way to simply bypass the NPC's I gank rats, then carry on mining... hardly rocket science. Just because I can do it MOST of the time, doesn't mean its without its risks though. (A dual BS spawn with frigs is the sort of thing that gets you if your not on it the second it spawns). And if you know of trixy ways of avoiding rats, do tell... cause it sounds dodgy. ____ Day 2 - When do I get my e-mail CCP?
Chowdown	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:15:00 - [71] Edited by: Chowdown on 07/01/2006 19:15:44 Originally by: Syrec Originally by: Bazman As it is you can sit all day long mining and never be at risk, at all, ever. There is no risk in hunting defenseless miners, which basicaly throws your argument about risk right out the window. I said it once and I said it again, you're all complaining about not being able to get free kills. No doubt you are still popping miners and haulers, but apparently every miner should stay in place and bend over to get popped in any system you enter. Look dude its not like he is trying to take the veld out of Jita, and as such this won't effect you at all. He is refering to the people who live in 0.0. There is of course risk for the people hunting the NPCs. Furthermore he has not suggested they sit still, seriosuly did you read the post! He is suggesting they should not be able to get away with logging in the belts.
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:15:00 - [72] Originally by: Syrec Not all of us 'sploit the NPCs like you do. You'd be hard pressed to find Baz mining atall, so i'd be hugely impressed if you found him 'sploit the NPCs. But apparently you know of an exploit regarding NPCs? Bugreported it yet?
Syrec	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:16:00 - [73] Originally by: Bazman lol, way to miss the point of the thread I already replied to the thread topic. You replied to me, and replied back to you. I'm not sure if you have a problem reading quoted messages, but the message I quoted was yours. When a person types under the quote, it implies that they are replying to the quotes message. Hm, well.. I'm sure there is a forum 101 tutorial out there somewhere for you to read.
The Enslaver	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:17:00 - [74] After a lot of thought, I dislike this idea. When I am on my RA accounts mining arkonor in cache, its too hard to manually warp out all 16 accounts, and pressing alt+q is the only real option. As such I feel that this is an awful idea, infact I propose that the 1 min logoff timer should be removed aswell as the PVP timers. Logging off should cause your ship to instantly dissapear. -------- Shinra Director
Chowdown	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:19:00 - [75] Originally by: Syrec Originally by: Bazman lol, way to miss the point of the thread I already replied to the thread topic. You replied to me, and replied back to you. I'm not sure if you have a problem reading quoted messages, but the message I quoted was yours. When a person types under the quote, it implies that they are replying to the quotes message. Hm, well.. I'm sure there is a forum 101 tutorial out there somewhere for you to read. But the ppoint is you utterlyu misinterrupted it, but rather than admit this you have continued to post. As such now everyone things your a blithring fool.
Hast	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:19:00 - [76] Originally by: Syrec Originally by: Bazman lol, way to miss the point of the thread I already replied to the thread topic. You replied to me, and replied back to you. I'm not sure if you have a problem reading quoted messages, but the message I quoted was yours. When a person types under the quote, it implies that they are replying to the quotes message. Hm, well.. I'm sure there is a forum 101 tutorial out there somewhere for you to read. the risk in hunting defenseless miners is that they might ACTUALLY HAVE A ESCORT, now thats the risk of it. The deterrent that is a actually good way to keep ebil people as myself is actually having a guard thats bigger then my fleet. But I guess that is too much to ask for since its easier to press the x in the top right corner Give miners a log off timer
Ruby StarFire	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:19:00 - [77] Originally by: The Enslaver After a lot of thought, I dislike this idea. When I am on my RA accounts mining arkonor in cache, its too hard to manually warp out all 16 accounts, and pressing alt+q is the only real option. As such I feel that this is an awful idea, infact I propose that the 1 min logoff timer should be removed aswell as the PVP timers. Logging off should cause your ship to instantly dissapear. Thats quite funny.... 16 you say? Try using gang warp with them all, might save u some time ____ Day 2 - When do I get my e-mail CCP?
The Ratfink	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:20:00 - [78] indeed
The Enslaver	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:21:00 - [79] Originally by: Ruby StarFire Originally by: The Enslaver After a lot of thought, I dislike this idea. When I am on my RA accounts mining arkonor in cache, its too hard to manually warp out all 16 accounts, and pressing alt+q is the only real option. As such I feel that this is an awful idea, infact I propose that the 1 min logoff timer should be removed aswell as the PVP timers. Logging off should cause your ship to instantly dissapear. Thats quite funny.... 16 you say? Try using gang warp with them all, might save u some time What is this gang warping you speak of? wtf? -------- Shinra Director
The Ratfink	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:23:00 - [80] Originally by: Syrec Originally by: Bazman lol, way to miss the point of the thread I already replied to the thread topic. You replied to me, and replied back to you. I'm not sure if you have a problem reading quoted messages, but the message I quoted was yours. When a person types under the quote, it implies that they are replying to the quotes message. Hm, well.. I'm sure there is a forum 101 tutorial out there somewhere for you to read. so now that he already replied to you and your replied back to him im now going to reply back to you the reply that your were replying to his first reply and say get back on topic stop being a pedant.
Ruby StarFire	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:26:00 - [81] Originally by: The Enslaver What is this gang warping you speak of? wtf? Thats the thing that gets u killed in fleet battles , and im for your idea of insta log-off ____ Day 2 - When do I get my e-mail CCP?
The Enslaver	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:27:00 - [82] Originally by: Ruby StarFire Originally by: The Enslaver What is this gang warping you speak of? wtf? Thats the thing that gets u killed in fleet battles , and im for your idea of insta log-off Why take a fleet to battle? NPC much more profitable alone... -------- Shinra Director
Syrec	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:27:00 - [83] Originally by: Chowdown Look dude its not like he is trying to take the veld out of Jita, and as such this won't effect you at all. He is refering to the people who live in 0.0. There is of course risk for the people hunting the NPCs. Furthermore he has not suggested they sit still, seriosuly did you read the post! He is suggesting they should not be able to get away with logging in the belts. His underlying problem is that the miners get away before he can easily pop them. Why keep random people online for X amount of time just because some joe-pirate enters a system? Lets play this out so can see why it's pointless to discuss. Joe-pirate enters the system. Miner-bob warps to a safe spot. Logs when timer is done. Joe-pirate cries on the forum because he didn't get his easy kill. Joe-pirate sucks it up and buys scan probes. Miner-bob warps between safe spots, then logs when timer is done. Joe-pirate makes another thread complaining about warping between safespots because he didn't get his kill. So you see, either way Joe isn't going to get what he wants. -> a mining ship that can't get away <-. Logging off, warping to safespots, warping between safespots, these all produce the safe exact result.. that is Joe-shmoe sitting alone in a bunch of space dust alt-tabbed to the forum. Hunting a mining ship has no risk. Mining with NPC rats around and joe-pirates able to pop up at any time is a risk. Logging off is a time risk. They waste a lot of time logging off.. just like Joe-pirate wastes a lot of time avoiding combat ships while trying to find miners to pop. There are many different ways this problem could have been addressed. Joe-pirate who wants to pop miners is definately the wrong wrong person to address the local issue, partially because instead of changing local he wants to add restrictions and penalties to miners. I don't think Joe-pirate is very bright, but that's just my opinion.
Ruby StarFire	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:31:00 - [84] Originally by: The Enslaver Why take a fleet to battle? NPC much more profitable alone... Only if you know how to kill them risk-lessly ... (is that even a word? ) ____ Day 2 - When do I get my e-mail CCP?
Syrec	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:33:00 - [85] Originally by: Hast the risk in hunting defenseless miners is that they might ACTUALLY HAVE A ESCORT, now thats the risk of it. The deterrent that is a actually good way to keep ebil people as myself is actually having a guard thats bigger then my fleet. But I guess that is too much to ask for since its easier to press the x in the top right corner Well if they have an escort, they aren't a defenseless miner anymore. Since they are protected they probably aren't going to log out, so you would have no problem.
The Ratfink	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:33:00 - [86] Edited by: The Ratfink on 07/01/2006 19:35:47
Hast	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:35:00 - [87] Originally by: Syrec Originally by: Hast the risk in hunting defenseless miners is that they might ACTUALLY HAVE A ESCORT, now thats the risk of it. The deterrent that is a actually good way to keep ebil people as myself is actually having a guard thats bigger then my fleet. But I guess that is too much to ask for since its easier to press the x in the top right corner Well if they have an escort, they aren't a defenseless miner anymore. Since they are protected they probably aren't going to log out, so you would have no problem. Oh my god... Thats the point you muppet! but they dont bring protection, they prefer to log off Give miners a log off timer
Syrec	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:36:00 - [88] Originally by: The Ratfink Been in a noob corp for over a year with high agent standings not suprising probably a macromining ebaying agent whoring carebear You can't come up with a decent reply, so you resort to petty insults. You're just an angry little board warrior aren't you.
Chowdown	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:36:00 - [89] Originally by: Syrec Originally by: Hast the risk in hunting defenseless miners is that they might ACTUALLY HAVE A ESCORT, now thats the risk of it. The deterrent that is a actually good way to keep ebil people as myself is actually having a guard thats bigger then my fleet. But I guess that is too much to ask for since its easier to press the x in the top right corner Well if they have an escort, they aren't a defenseless miner anymore. Since they are protected they probably aren't going to log out, so you would have no problem. Yes thats fine, they would still logout, but at least we get to kill the escourt. However it does not change the fact that they need a mining timer.
Ilmonstre	Posted - 2006.01.07 19:36:00 - [90] Originally by: Syrec Originally by: Hast the risk in hunting defenseless miners is that they might ACTUALLY HAVE A ESCORT, now thats the risk of it. The deterrent that is a actually good way to keep ebil people as myself is actually having a guard thats bigger then my fleet. But I guess that is too much to ask for since its easier to press the x in the top right corner Well if they have an escort, they aren't a defenseless miner anymore. Since they are protected they probably aren't going to log out, so you would have no problem. they would only bring protection of there actually was a timer

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