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Ruby StarFire
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Posted - 2006.01.07 19:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Hast
Oh my god... Thats the point you muppet!
but they dont bring protection, they prefer to log off
So there trading one sort of protection for another? seems fair to me 
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2006.01.07 19:37:00 -
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All you need to do is detail out why it is sooo important for you to be able to gank miners, then this thread will have a shred is credibility.
I suggest grow a pair and stop hunting miners and head out for some real PvP mkay?
If mining ships were supposed to battle other ships they would have the abilty to fight and mine at the same time.
If you think the point of eve is hunting miners well... your a gimp end of story. The fact you made the guy log means you won the encounter he is gone your not, needing to destroy his ship means your a weak carebear ganker who wants to pad killstats with miners, quite emberassing if you ask me.
I got a better idea why not make it so people with full mining equipment set ups dont even show up in local at all.
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Hast
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Posted - 2006.01.07 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
All you need to do is detail out why it is sooo important for you to be able to gank miners, then this thread will have a shred is credibility.
I suggest grow a pair and stop hunting miners and head out for some real PvP mkay?
If mining ships were supposed to battle other ships they would have the abilty to fight and mine at the same time.
If you think the point of eve is hunting miners well... your a gimp end of story. The fact you made the guy log means you won the encounter he is gone your not, needing to destroy his ship means your a weak carebear ganker who wants to pad killstats with miners, quite emberassing if you ask me.
I got a better idea why not make it so people with full mining equipment set ups dont even show up in local at all.
if you want to mine in 0.0 bring protection. And Ruby, one is within the game mechanics, the other is not. you guess wich is wich
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Avaleric
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Posted - 2006.01.07 19:39:00 -
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...what, u are actually complaining that is is too hard to attack defenseless miners..???
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Syrec
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Posted - 2006.01.07 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Hast
Oh my god... Thats the point you muppet!
but they dont bring protection, they prefer to log off
Cookie monster is my favourite muppet.
In all honestly, would it satisfy you if they warped between safe spots for 15 minutes before logging off? They are never going to willingly let you lock and fire on them, so until every game mechanic that allows them to easily escape is nerfed, you are going to be out of luck.
You'd be better off commenting on local chat instead of wanting penalties for miners (isn't going to happen). At least with a local chat nerf the miner can't see the pirate and the pirate can't see the miner. It would work both ways and provide a fair and balanced solution to many problems.
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Hast
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Posted - 2006.01.07 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Avaleric
...what, u are actually complaining that is is too hard to attack defenseless miners..???
have you even read the thread?
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Ilmonstre
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Posted - 2006.01.07 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
All you need to do is detail out why it is sooo important for you to be able to gank miners, then this thread will have a shred is credibility.
I suggest grow a pair and stop hunting miners and head out for some real PvP mkay?
If mining ships were supposed to battle other ships they would have the abilty to fight and mine at the same time.
If you think the point of eve is hunting miners well... your a gimp end of story. The fact you made the guy log means you won the encounter he is gone your not, needing to destroy his ship means your a weak carebear ganker who wants to pad killstats with miners, quite emberassing if you ask me.
I got a better idea why not make it so people with full mining equipment set ups dont even show up in local at all.
so its ok that you go deep into hostile space do your mining thing then when the people who claim it show up you just log off and they are defensless to do annything about those incursions into your space.
but if there is a timer people cant just go and wonder into deep space and get away becouse there is 0 risk when you can just log off and dissapear in 2 minutes becouse you do not have a timer or annythign and then you log in an hour later and go on mining and just give them the finger.
or are you not capable of grasping that.
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Ruby StarFire
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Posted - 2006.01.07 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Hast
if you want to mine in 0.0 bring protection. And Ruby, one is within the game mechanics, the other is not. you guess wich is wich
Now now, its frowned upon, but its not exploiting... you can call them coward, chickens, or whatever you like, and im sure you'd be right... and im also sure they wouldn't care.
If it wasn't in the game mechanics, the log out option would not appear inspace, but it does... I suggest you camp like everyone else does in 0.0. The kill rate is much higher if you time it right.
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Hast
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Posted - 2006.01.07 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Syrec
Originally by: Hast
Oh my god... Thats the point you muppet!
but they dont bring protection, they prefer to log off
Cookie monster is my favourite muppet.
In all honestly, would it satisfy you if they warped between safe spots for 15 minutes before logging off? They are never going to willingly let you lock and fire on them, so until every game mechanic that allows them to easily escape is nerfed, you are going to be out of luck.
You'd be better off commenting on local chat instead of wanting penalties for miners (isn't going to happen). At least with a local chat nerf the miner can't see the pirate and the pirate can't see the miner. It would work both ways and provide a fair and balanced solution to many problems.
yes, that would satisfy me, because then it comes down to my skills vs their skills, and my mods compared to theirs. not if they manage to spot me and close the client before I find them...
Give miners a log off timer |
Rayzr
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Posted - 2006.01.07 19:46:00 -
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I completely agree with Hast on this matter. This game is turning more and more into a carebear game. Stop making improvements for carebears and nerfing all that is good for pvp'ers.
Set a logoff timer for chicken miners that logoff as soon as ppl come into the system and gets out without any probs. 
Curse carebears, may they be doomed. 
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Hast
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Posted - 2006.01.07 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ruby StarFire
Originally by: Hast
if you want to mine in 0.0 bring protection. And Ruby, one is within the game mechanics, the other is not. you guess wich is wich
Now now, its frowned upon, but its not exploiting... you can call them coward, chickens, or whatever you like, and im sure you'd be right... and im also sure they wouldn't care.
If it wasn't in the game mechanics, the log out option would not appear inspace, but it does... I suggest you camp like everyone else does in 0.0. The kill rate is much higher if you time it right.
camping is boring and I dont think camping is a form of pvp. anyone who has tried camping knows that its useless. you can spot a camp from miles away...
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2006.01.07 19:48:00 -
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"That would be perfect! Want to kill a mining op? You have to go through there escort to get to them. PERFECT. As it is you can sit all day long mining and never be at risk, at all, ever."
Great now what can we do about putting the gankers at risk? You get to drive aroud all day long with no risk (can log any time you want)looking for miners to gank. Why is it that the miners have to be the ones carrying the risk but not you?
Lets make it so anyone without a full mining laser set up can only warp once every 15 minutes and for every ship within 200 km your allied with you take a 25% penalty to accuracy and dmg!
No better yet lets give mining ships the abilty to self destruct instantly and instant kill everything with in 500 square kilometers.
LEts....... lets stop being retarded eve is about freedom it is an open world where players are left to choose how they want to play
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Syrec
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Posted - 2006.01.07 19:52:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Hast
yes, that would satisfy me, because then it comes down to my skills vs their skills, and my mods compared to theirs. not if they manage to spot me and close the client before I find them...
Your 'skill' compared to them?! Are you joking? You're fighting a mining ship and actually talking about skill?
You wouldn't get a chance to use your mods with them warping between safe spots.
The point I'm trying to get across to you is that you are a combat ship fit to destroy other ships. If you ever get in locking distance of the mining ship, you are probably going to destroy it. Their mods are mining lasers and doodads to increase their ability to mine. They rely on their ability to spot you, just the same as you go system to system looking for miners.
If they had no way to tell you were around while you could see them and swoop into their belt, they would stand no chance. It would be too easy for you. Easy-mode, meaning not balanced. The only skill involved in pirating a mining ship is finding the mining ship. Mods and fighting skill don't matter. Any n00b in a cruiser can attack and mining ship and win.
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Ruby StarFire
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Posted - 2006.01.07 19:54:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Hast
camping is boring and I dont think camping is a form of pvp. anyone who has tried camping knows that its useless. you can spot a camp from miles away...
Camping isn't useless... Ive been caught many a time by a camp and gotten my ship blown up for my troubles. You just need to know where to set it up, what to use, and to move around a bit... which surprisingly enough, apply to everything else in the game.
If your camping defenceless miners, all you need is a single inty... And thats hardly gonna show up on the map is it?
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Ruby StarFire
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Posted - 2006.01.07 19:56:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Syrec
Originally by: Hast
yes, that would satisfy me, because then it comes down to my skills vs their skills, and my mods compared to theirs. not if they manage to spot me and close the client before I find them...
Your 'skill' compared to them?! Are you joking? You're fighting a mining ship and actually talking about skill?
You wouldn't get a chance to use your mods with them warping between safe spots.
The point I'm trying to get across to you is that you are a combat ship fit to destroy other ships. If you ever get in locking distance of the mining ship, you are probably going to destroy it. Their mods are mining lasers and doodads to increase their ability to mine. They rely on their ability to spot you, just the same as you go system to system looking for miners.
If they had no way to tell you were around while you could see them and swoop into their belt, they would stand no chance. It would be too easy for you. Easy-mode, meaning not balanced. The only skill involved in pirating a mining ship is finding the mining ship. Mods and fighting skill don't matter. Any n00b in a cruiser can attack and mining ship and win.
The skill hes refering to is the ability to look at a map, locate a single person, and hope to god its a miner (or do the homework and find out who regularly uses that system) so he can sneak in and kill him before the miner can get to a SS...
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Ayla Vanir
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Posted - 2006.01.07 20:05:00 -
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Edited by: Ayla Vanir on 07/01/2006 20:06:19
Originally by: Hast
<snip pre-amble>
I therefor propose having a 15 minute timer for activating a mining laser aswell as the usual timer. That should not be a hard thing to include.
No. However, if something like this is implemented, I want it to affect all players, regardless of whether or not they mine.
[Edited to add: Like you can't use the market, fly a ship, chat - or anything for 15 minutes after you log on.]
Escrow Market Revamp
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Bazman
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Posted - 2006.01.07 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
"That would be perfect! Want to kill a mining op? You have to go through there escort to get to them. PERFECT. As it is you can sit all day long mining and never be at risk, at all, ever."
Great now what can we do about putting the gankers at risk? You get to drive aroud all day long with no risk (can log any time you want)looking for miners to gank. Why is it that the miners have to be the ones carrying the risk but not you?
Lets make it so anyone without a full mining laser set up can only warp once every 15 minutes and for every ship within 200 km your allied with you take a 25% penalty to accuracy and dmg!
No better yet lets give mining ships the abilty to self destruct instantly and instant kill everything with in 500 square kilometers.
LEts....... lets stop being retarded eve is about freedom it is an open world where players are left to choose how they want to play
LOL, yes, fighting is 100% risk free, you never lose ships and you actually GAIN ammo every time you fire a gun.
Empire miners should just stay out of here, we're talking about the 0.0 alliance members who happily sit away plinking away at the roids making billions of isk over the weeks and feed them to their mains. Hitting miners and npcer's is one of the few ways to actually hurt your enemies, but hey, why risk your money making alts at all when your enemies try to hit them, log off!
Hi TomB! All out Do or Die Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks. |
ToxicFire
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Posted - 2006.01.07 20:12:00 -
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rofl a carebear pirate thread.
How about this we'll also have a timer for engaging in combat you can't use your weapons or sheild boosters or can't log out of eve.
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Ruby StarFire
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Posted - 2006.01.07 20:24:00 -
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Lets try and put this in perspective. I enjoy only 2 areas of Eve gameplay, 1 being Rat hunting and the other being chatting. As Chatting is more or less risk free i'll just concentrate on rat hunting.
I rat hunt whenever i get the opportunity. I know what im doing, and as such I can on the whole, keep away from PvP and unfavourable NPC encounters. If someone decides to come looking for me then I will do everything that isnt considered an exploit to not lose my ship...
That usially entails me running to a SS, using an insta dock BM and watching the situation from there, or in a really bad case, logging and hoping the ship makes it out in 1 piece (which it RARELY does). All of these methods are frowned upon by PvPers because it means that if I know what im doing it severly reduces the risk of me being caught offguard.
But PvPers also ruin my game experiance by crashing my party, so im only repaying you in kind... If you cant deal with that, go and look for someone else to try to kill.
Basically, if I can't do what I enjoy doing, then why the hell should I hang about and let you enjoy killing me? Thats about as balanced an argument that your going to get from this carebear...
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Garric Vor'g
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Posted - 2006.01.07 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Hast
Lately I have noticed a growing trend of miners just simply logging of as soon as you enter system... This is annoying since there is no counter to that "tactic" whatsoever.
I therefor propose having a 15 minute timer for activating a mining laser aswell as the usual timer. That should not be a hard thing to include.
Best regard
A unhappy Hast
Mostly agree ... infact there should just plain be a 15minute interaction timer. No matter what your doing or where. If you interacted with something/anything, ie shoot/mine agress/support. The ship should warp out if not scrambled, but stay in a ss for the duration (just like the combat timer).
BUT logging in a station, at a pos or outpost should be instant as those ships cannot be affected by others anyway.
BTW, before people say anything ... look at my security status, I am NOT a PK and prefer to stay away from most combat.
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Ruby StarFire
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Posted - 2006.01.07 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Garric Vor'g
BTW, before people say anything ... look at my security status, I am NOT a PK and prefer to stay away from most combat.
A high security status means nothing... hell, most of BoB have >3 sec standing, but I dont bump into them in delve and comment on how shiny their ships are. (I only ONCE fell for the security status trick... and I'm still on the lookout for him).
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2006.01.07 20:53:00 -
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Signed, it is too easy for farmers to escape at the moment. Someone enters system, the supervisor yanks the cable on all of them.
Hegemonising Swarm Objects / von Neumann Probes |
Hoshino
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Posted - 2006.01.07 21:00:00 -
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LOL well if its not the biggest whiners of all the pirates
You whine about bm you whine about this and that sorry guys but loging is the only defence that solo miners and miners with no corp fleet for protection in deep space have so i fully understand that you want to take that from them
So like all you log of pirates and gankers that you guys are do what we cearbears do live with it ok.
And lets face it hunting miners killing targets that cant realy shoot back you are so lame thats its almost funny but not realy cause its just sad how cool you guys think you are killing stuff that cant kill you back
So ccp has in its almighty wisdom decided that cearbear miners can log of so you guys cant get them ok so stop whining and start thinking about a way to make this work for you like the cearbear world has done around pirates 
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2006.01.07 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Hast
Lately I have noticed a growing trend of miners just simply logging of as soon as you enter system... This is annoying since there is no counter to that "tactic" whatsoever.
I therefor propose having a 15 minute timer for activating a mining laser aswell as the usual timer. That should not be a hard thing to include.
Best regard
A unhappy Hast
/signed
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Chowdown
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Posted - 2006.01.07 21:18:00 -
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Edited by: Chowdown on 07/01/2006 21:19:12
Originally by: Hoshino
LOL well if its not the biggest whiners of all the pirates
Who?
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You whine about bm you whine about this and that sorry guys but loging is the only defence that solo miners and miners with no corp fleet for protection in deep space have so i fully understand that you want to take that from them
READ THE POST!!!!!!!!! There is no complaint about them login, merely apathetically loginning in the belt. No matter how many [ lol]'s you put after a statement if its nto funny its not funny.
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So like all you log of pirates and gankers that you guys are do what we cearbears do live with it ok.
Yes we log off with a timer, equality is king.
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And lets face it hunting miners killing targets that cant realy shoot back you are so lame thats its almost funny but not realy cause its just sad how cool you guys think you are killing stuff that cant kill you back
Whats lame is sitting paying a subscription to stare at an asteriod.
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start thinking about a way to make this work for you like the cearbear world has done around pirates
This is the whole point if your read any of the post before this extended rant of dog turd. There is no way around it!
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Syrec
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Posted - 2006.01.07 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Chowdown
Whats lame is sitting paying a subscription to stare at an asteriod.
Oh how little you know young padawan. The astroids are an incarnation of death. Lead by the mighty Veldspar race, they have armies in mulitple parts of *every* solar system. If not kept in check they will surely conquer the galaxy and destroy us all.
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Chowdown
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Posted - 2006.01.07 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Syrec
Originally by: Chowdown
Whats lame is sitting paying a subscription to stare at an asteriod.
Oh how little you know young padawan. The astroids are an incarnation of death. Lead by the mighty Veldspar race, they have armies in mulitple parts of *every* solar system. If not kept in check they will surely conquer the galaxy and destroy us all.
I stand correct, scratch the mining timer idea, its all been a horrible mistake.
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Mudkest
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Posted - 2006.01.07 21:55:00 -
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why not add a new missile that homes in on the frequency of mining lasers when launched, then enters warp, comes out 15km away from the target, creates a bookmark in your ppl and places menu then explodes in a massive blast insta killing all ships in a 1000km radius?
you can even launch 2 in 2-3 second succesion to insta kill all pods after the first explosion too 
-just an fyi. Albert Einstein was dyslexic, and I wouldnt be surprised if he coulnd't spell properly either ;) |
Hoshino
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Posted - 2006.01.07 23:10:00 -
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oh im sorry if my remark ****ed you off was answering the 1st not all you guys that have some important input to this i realy dont cear what you think or say this is just my 2 cents on this matter take it or just dont i do not cear but logging of is a realy smart tacktic to pirates that try to gank miners end of story and like i sayd b4 it can **** you off or not if it does **** you off then try to use the tools you got to work around the problem end of story
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2006.01.07 23:16:00 -
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Macro scripts pick up color on the screen, if this was introduced, they would just click the button for the timer...
Silly idea anyway.
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