usually people does not consider stupid death without chances as "fun"

There is more to eve than pvp if you haven't noticed.

Just because you don't pve/mine/explore/etc doesn't mean they don't exist.

I like those things. Those things are in eve. I login and use eve in order to play at these things. I therefore play eve.
Maybe not the same eve as you, but eve nonetheless

To quote the thread title: Does WAR make players leave Eve?

By definition, if you were in the game and had paid for it, then you were a customer. Anyone who has paid money is a customer, interested or not.

If people leave due to war (going back to thread title, try to keep up) then they are a lost customer, not a non-sale.

Yes. Because mining an asteroid belt in empire is SO MUCH different then in nullsec.

Yes. Because missions in NPC nullsec are so different then the empire ones.

Yes. Because probing works in a totally different way in nullsec.

Someone with a kill board full of cheap ships and noob pods wants exactly that.

So staying in the dock and denying them is a perfectly valid thing to do.


My recommendation to noobs getting decced is to use wormholes to get to deep null and see if the griefers have the balls to look for them there.

1) NPC rats in empire are easy to tank and kill - 0.0 rats can eat semi-tanked hulk in seconds
2) there is not many suicide gankers in empire - every "non-blue" player in 0.0 is "99% enemy"
3) CONCORD limits ships gankers will use in empire - in 0.0 people can drop titan to kill your cruiser
4) you can sell ore/minerals right in station of system you are mining - in 0.0 you can be denied to dock at all (or you can be camped so you can't undock) + what will you do with ore/minerals? It's not that local people will buy it


exactly. Let's say you will lose your shiny pirate/faction BS too soon to even try


exactly.
you see probes in space:
- empire: do you see any wartargets in local? Yes: hide. No - ignore probes.
- 0.0: you see probes on scan - hide immediately, go to agent and stop mission, because next time you warp there you will meet piwates

and again: we are speaking about n00bs. For them it's completely different situation than for experienced players

And name me 1 single menu...only 1...where the delete and use is right under each other and where the delete one doesnt have a pop up to warn you about it.

1) NPC rats in empire are easy to tank and kill - 0.0 rats can eat semi-tanked hulk in seconds
2) there is not many suicide gankers in empire - every "non-blue" player in 0.0 is "99% enemy"
3) CONCORD limits ships gankers will use in empire - in 0.0 people can drop titan to kill your cruiser
4) you can sell ore/minerals right in station of system you are mining - in 0.0 you can be denied to dock at all (or you can be camped so you can't undock) + what will you do with ore/minerals? It's not that local people will buy it


exactly. Let's say you will lose your shiny pirate/faction BS too soon to even try


exactly.
you see probes in space:
- empire: do you see any wartargets in local? Yes: hide. No - ignore probes.
- 0.0: you see probes on scan - hide immediately, go to agent and stop mission, because next time you warp there you will meet piwates

and again: we are speaking about n00bs. For them it's completely different situation than for experienced players

I've been in null for 2 years and NEVER lost a ship there but once because of a DC. And when I went there, I was still a noob.

Yeah, the n00bs usually react to the war dec with excitement, "OMG we're gonna fight people," probably because up to this point even their most expensive ships are quickly replaceable. The experienced players, meanwhile, are wringing their hands about losing their prized marauders/faction BS's and their mining fleet while screaming at the n00bs not to undock and "Feed them kills" before they bail on the corp left and right.

Null bears, worst bears.

While your analogy is funny, it's a bad one. When someone signs onto Eve, they are NOT entering into any sort of contract to play the game the way you think it should be played. Stop telling people how they're supposed to play in the sandbox.

So, stop whining about wardecs must be more expensive.

You are doing exactly the same here, forcing other to play in the way YOU want to, namely a more safe way by making wardecs harder.

You just totally shot yourself in the knee with a mortar, and as collateral damage killed yourself and anything you said here.

LOL, no.

Throwing out a suggestion for how to improve the game is NOT the same as telling someone they are "not really an Eve player" because they only mine.

That's why I specifically avoid labeling those who want to keep wardecs at their current price as "sociopaths" who rely on skill-less noobrape kills to pad their KB (since they can't actually pvp well) so they can feel good about themselves. That would be ad hominem, attacking the presenter instead of the argument. Like telling someone they're not a real Eve player.

If you want to actually win the argument, make a good case for wardecs being perfectly priced atm and sing the praises of CCP for getting it 100% right on their first attempt to balance it.

Oh and you still haven't answered the question I have asked you directly twice now... I'll repeat it again, since it's actually on topic, and as of yet avoided like the plague:

Why do you think CCP increased the cost of wardecs so dramatically if it was not to cut down on the number of frivolous wardecs?

Also, you accuse me of losing my credibility and thereby destroying any point I was making, when you're the guy who wants anyone who complains about Eve "permabanned?" I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.

How much does a wardec cost?

It costs 50 million isk, plus an additional cost for each member in the target corporation/alliance above 51. It will now start to increase with the 51st member and reach the ceiling of 500 million ISK at 2000 members.

Fix your **** bro. Pyramid quotes are against forum rules, and yours are illegible.

jsut shut up dude. So whay not make wahteve activity YOU liek to do to cost 200 BILLIOn isk per hour to run? Why not that?

I would be very very happy if that happened.

When CCP increased wardecs from min 2 mil to min 50 mil, was that a bad idea? If they increased wardecs from 50 mil to 100 mil min, would that be a bad idea? Answer and explain your reasoning.

Fixed it, android phone doesn't like EVE gate.

I also like how you only partially quote others so that it suits your idea instead of full quoting which gives away you are just stupid and wrong.

Says the guy who refuses to answer a single direct question about his opinion on the thread's topic.

Yes, because there is no NEED for it because the system they use now is working as intended.

They changed it from 2mil to 50mil because the old system was not working as intended. You could dec a 1 man corp for the same price as a 2000 man corp, which is weird.

And if you really like your utterly ******** idea...go, post in F&I

See what happens with it, I can tell you the outcome. CCP will print it out and pass it through the office and will laugh at it.

I already gave the answer to the thread title well before you came here whining to CCP to fix the game for you because you can't do it yourself.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3840922#post3840922

So again, you are just making yourself look more stupid with every reply here.

And so I'll ask it again:

Why do you think CCP increased the cost of wardecs so dramatically if it was not to cut down on the number of frivolous wardecs?

You seem to know a lot about what other people think. You know what I think. You know what every other player thinks. You know what CCP thinks.

Let's both go post our ideas in F&I.

I'll post that in my opinion, wardecs should cost a bit more.

You post your opinion that anyone who complains should be perma-banned, that high sec and low sec should be removed, and the entire game should be null sec.

Then we'll ask whose ideas got the biggest laughs around the water cooler at CCP.

As I said, to balance it so that wardeccing a big corp costs more the to wardec a small corp.

To give people a reason to be in a big corp instead of their own 1 man corp.

Unfortunately that does NOT address the question of why the minimum was raised from 2 million to 50 million, a 10x increase.

Wait...what


10x

Thansk for showing your stupidity.

2 x 10 =/= 50

At least not to the people CAN count.

Unfortunately that does NOT address the question of why the minimum was raised from 2 million to 50 million, a 25x increase. Do you think it was to decrease the number of frivolous wardecs? If not, why do you think it was raised so substantially? Was it not working as intended before the 25x increase? If not, how exactly was it not, in your opinion?

They changed it from 2mil to 50mil because the old system was not working as intended. You could dec a 1 man corp for the same price as a 2000 man corp, which is weird.

Yep, you're right, I shouldn't have just quoted someone else on that without checking the math. Fixed.

So then, care to address the question?

I'm not against complains.

IMO CCP should perma ban anybody who ever complains about EVE or any of the game mechanics from ever play it again

His answer, is on this very page.



Scrolling up is hard, huh?

Which you said here in this very thread.

So, which is it? Make up your mind.