This thread is full of pointless fail.

No one war decs a 3-4 member corp for 50 mil unless a member has pissed them. Its not effective. We look for a t least 20 members

Mindless and pointless fail...yes indeed mate...yes indeed.

If you would have read the dev blogz...the last change in war mechanics was because of a loop in the mechanics that couod lock you in a wardec for ever or get you out of one for free.

And yes, all people who whine about the war mechanic are carebears. They dont whine because of new player retention. As they are NOT related. Theybare only minor related if the new player joins any of the corps that als9 houses such whiners like you.

And you are so narrowminded in the I WANT CCP TO FIX MY CAREBEAR WORLD idea that you dont even see it.

The best part of this game is starting a corporation, getting going with making a name for it, and as soon as you do anything that even remotely bothers anyone, you're wardec'd and going to lose everything.

It's simply about not wanting to "put up with" certain kinds of people, the sort that we go out of our way not to have to put up with IRL (or club like baby seals where there are no witnesses when a situation that looks like an accident is untenable).

Humans by nature will not declare war without having a reasonable assurance of victory.

Where did this piece of non-wisdom come from?

What war decs need is the ability to provoke actual conflict and not just docking up

You think CCP values your 1 sub
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Where did this piece of non-wisdom come from?

4 man newbie corp gets war-decced by a 50 man l33t pvp corp for funsies.

Tell me.....what else can be done bar docking up? Given that i'm not a sadomasochist?

Since they're newbies, their corp doesn't matter to them at all.

They can drop corp, and reform, and it will cost them, what, 2 million isk?

Also, "because I can" is a valid reason in a sandbox game. So if a pvp corp decs them just for fun, that is perfectly valid, and acceptable.

You think ccp values yours?

Given that the "high-sec carebears" vastly outnumber your "l33t pvp'ers"?

Of course it's valid, as in it's allowed, but does it drive newbie away from eve? absolutely. Whether that then is acceptable is another matter entirely.

It's a simple fact that people like to have ownership in the games they play. This is evident in the huge boom in indie gaming, open alphas, in the csm etc. They want to feel that what they own/do in the game matters and that they have some say in how things are run.

It's irrelevant if they can do all the same stuff in a NPC corp. If they go that route then they don't have their own little slice of new eden, they have everyone elses.
How does it feel to know the only way to get around these war decs they can't possibly face, is to destroy and rebuild what they built? I can tell you it's not a nice feeling. This goes back to OP's original point. This feeling of helplessness, this feeling that your stuff matters little and less in the face of the pvp corps lulzies does and will continue to drive people and sub money away from the game. Agree or not, it happens. And lost sub money helps nobody.

4 man newbie corp gets war-decced by a 50 man l33t pvp corp for funsies.

Tell me.....what else can be done bar docking up? Given that i'm not a sadomasochist?

Since they're newbies, their corp doesn't matter to them at all.

They can drop corp, and reform, and it will cost them, what, 2 million isk?

Also, "because I can" is a valid reason in a sandbox game. So if a pvp corp decs them just for fun, that is perfectly valid, and acceptable.

Yeah, what hisec needs is an actual benefit to being in a player corp, not just a tax break. Joining a player corp should open a whole new world of gameplay, one that is worth fighting to defend.

Exactly because a basic game mechanic could never never be a bad idea that needs updating. And customers leaving taking their cash with them. Pfft, what business needs customers right?

But you got to spew another knee jerk answer though...



You clearly need a Gibberish to English dictionary...

Shows how much of this is actually just you and other carebears whining.

Im not a leet pvp player, hell in the last 1.5 years I havent undocked.

Just a point, droppign the corps and reformign the exact same corp to avoid a war IS petitionable. You can hoop, but not do that.



What we need are mechanics that PUSh peopel into making LARGER corps not 4 people corps.

MEchanics like NPC corp tax risen to 50% and player corp taxes at 30% with -2% per player on the corp.

They could undokc in cheap ships and have FUN, there is nothing madochist about it.

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Those 4 noobs could have read a thing or 2 about corps before forming one. As all the info regarding corps clearly states you can be wardecced.

Lets go to Vegas as you can win big money in casinos and then rage when you lose money in the process.

Guaranteed loos is not fun, by any definition. Trying to call guaranteed destruction enjoyable is indeed sociopathic or sado.

It's like passion of the christ. "Oh yes, good sir, whip me more, i loves its!"

How do you specifically believe war does NOT drive players away?