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Random idea: would it be a good idea to change the war mechanics, so that PVP corps/alliances can only war dec each other?
When you create a corp you choose to register your corp either as a combat corp ( actively looking for PVP ) or industrial corp.

USA? Actually, our last declared war was Korea.

Came to say this.


Also, I think wardecs DO drive some new players away, which is a pity.
But it's not a problem of wardecs in general, the problem is that many new players are not prepared for something like this through the tutorials and quickly give up when they are confronted with a far superior enemy.
It's been quite a while since I last played the tutorials, so maybe this problem has been addressed already when CCP revised them last year....

Wars are fine. The problem is the people who believe (wrongly) that they should be allowed to mine (or whatever) in complete peace and without any outside interaction (ganking, wars, whatever).

Ok so how many left because of WAR has brought new players in because of it.

Does WAR make players leave Eve?.

No matter how hard I try, apparently I am too dumb to make any sense out of those words.

Now I have a headache.

My bad, I was distracted, office girl was doing her filing, and did not proof what I wrote.

How many left due to the War dec Mechanic.

How many Joined due to the War dec mechanic.

Ah..thank you very much....for a moment you really had me doubting my own literacy, thanks for clearing this up.

So, yeah, very valid question and I don't know the answer, I am not sure if even CCP has the answer.
Let's just hope that more people join than leave....

All I am going to do is this....

I used to play a pretty hardcore war game where you could get ganked and lose everything you built up over and over. You only had a few days after starting before you were a fair target for everyone (no NPC corp protection there). When you left the computer to get some sleep you could still be attacked. Months of work could be lost in one night while you were sleeping! And it would take months to get it all back.

USA? Actually, our last declared war was Korea. Granted, the ONLY reason we haven't declared war since then is because there was never an armistice signed. We are actually STILL officially at war with North Korea, and NATO won't let us officially declare any other wars until we officially end that one..... which will likely never happen.

(so, yes.... that DOES mean North Korea is the victim of the worst perma-dec, in history... and we are the highsec griefers)

Random idea: would it be a good idea to change the war mechanics, so that PVP corps/alliances can only war dec each other?
When you create a corp you choose to register your corp either as a combat corp ( actively looking for PVP ) or industrial corp.

I don't think industrialists should be immune to being attacked ( at least they can still be ganked etc ).
It is unfair for genuine industrial corps who choose not to PVP and are not interested in the PVP side if eve to be subject to prolonged grief, by PVP'ers who are searching for that easy kill.

Every player should have the option to choose how they want to play the game. Some players log in and want to PVP/PVE; some choose to mine ( each to their own is a good philosophy ).


A more direct answer to your question "does war make players leave eve?" In the case of high sec industrial corps being subject to prolonged grief by PVP'ers, then yes.


What is your opinion?

War is a necessary part of Eve - without wars and general pvp the market will become saturated and would threaten the financial infrastructure that is finely balanced.

But now I see some corps wardec 8 or 10 others at a time - they can afford to pay this as they will catch miners in T2 ore ships and the loot will pay for a prolonged campaign. However many of the wardecced corps will merely suffer the inconvenience of war, having to switch to alts, or temporarily leave their corp to continue playing their game normally.

That is when they are out-matched and unlikely to combat this wardec from a hostile corp.

I have heard of many people leaving Eve, rather than do any of the alternatives mentioned. After several wardecs they have grown tired of the losses, inconvenience, and the ease at which a hostile corp can wardec so many others with a relatively minimal initial outlay.

In truth, wardeccing should be expensive. It should be a final resort, not a casual affair done by pvp-corps to pass the time. There should be a limit to the number of corps they can 'dec at any time. I would put that at 3.

The price should escalate over weeks, doubling every week.

As we see in real life, war is not declared cheaply and is done rarely.

I am concerned that the wardeccers will drive away the others who wish to enjoy the rest of the elements Eve has to offer. While they serve a purpose they may harm the enjoyment of the majority of capsuleers.

I think the problem is its too profitable to war dec noob corps and such, so perhaps what we need is an affordable way to hire people to defend war decced corporations, I would love to have kill rights on some pirates in high sec.

USA? Actually, our last declared war was Korea. Granted, the ONLY reason we haven't declared war since then is because there was never an armistice signed. We are actually STILL officially at war with North Korea, and NATO won't let us officially declare any other wars until we officially end that one..... which will likely never happen.

(so, yes.... that DOES mean North Korea is the victim of the worst perma-dec, in history... and we are the highsec griefers)

There is no guarantee that a person downloading a song would have ever bought it in the first place, thus they cannot (by definition) be considered a "lost sale" (unless you're counting every single time someone walks past your item on the shelf as a "lost sale" ... in which case, everyone is guilty of causing serious economic harm to the *IAA and the artists they represent).

If you're in a newbie corp and get wardecced, you just have to be patient. The wardec will go away someday. Sure, being almost powerless against more experienced, shinier-shipped wardeccers is kind of frustrating and humiliating. But on the other hand, the challenge is really interesting. I can remember some excellent war room strategy discussions among my newb corp members. Much more interesting than discussing ship fits, L4 missions tactics, etc. In the end dealing with the wardec made the corp leadership smarter and made us tighter overall as a team. And the guys who were just in it for themselves left the corp. That was an added bonus.