It has absolutley nothing to do with current mechanics. It is all about the mind set behind the key board.

Due to the fact they are deficient, in the ability to mentally deal with the situation, they want CCP to build a handicap accessible mechanic to make it fair.

it's quite difficult to talk to the "locals" when they're half a world away. Flights across the Atlantic are expensive...

well deal with it. ill borrow you my bike.

Btw, fixing a stupid grammar error in your English:

(stuff)

3.) well deal with it. ill borrow you my bike

Should be: Well deal with it. I'll borrow you my bike


So, don't start talking language / grammar if you suck it at yourself. Only go Grammar **** if you know what YOU'RE doing.

p.s. English is NOT my native language.

War deccing miners isn't war. What is happening with Stain Wagon and N3 is war.

But to answer the title of the thread.

No, wars dont make people leave. People leave because they find out that EVE isnt the game for them. EVE has always been a PvP centered game, if you are expecting it to be carebear heaven you will be disapointed and leave. This doesnt mean the game is wrong or at fault, it means that EVE isnt your type of game.


This actually happened to a friend of mine who tried EVE for 3 months. After that he just acknowledged that EVE wasnt for him as he was really into PvE and nothing more. But unlike all the whining carebears in this thread and generally on the forums, he did see it in the right way: The game wasnt wrong or broken, it was just not the game for him.

So. The aggressors dont log on. HOW is that affecting the defenders. They cant kill you when not logged in. I have mined and missioned in the past while under a wardec. Add them to your watchlist, be on your toes when one of them is online. If they are all offline, what is different then not wardecced.

YOU are exactly the kind that is wrong with EVE. Expecting a complete safe enviroment and CCPs help all the time.

Let me repeat it again: CCP themself stated that highsec is NOT completely safe, just a bit safer. They dont want WoW inspace like you want. The stuff is working as intended. EVE is Darwinism at its best, adapt or die... A 100 man indy corp can wreck havoc to any PvP corp that decs them. They have numbers, they can build their own supplies. They just need a big pair of balls and tactics, but.most only care about 1 thing, their own carebearing size of their wallets

+1 for at least addressing the topic with your opinion.

But then you fall right into the same false dilemma so many in this thread seem to gravitate to. Contemplating changes to the wardec system which may help new player retention DOES NOT EQUAL expecting Eve to be carebear heaven. You can make changes that help noobs survive the learning curve without killing Eve. The proof is in the patch notes and dev blogs. Similar changes have been made in the past without killing the game.

Did you stop to consider that maybe the reason your friend worded his explanation so tactfully is because he didn't want you to think of him as "a whining carebear" because he's your friend?

And how is changing the war mechanics going to help NEW players (who start in a NPC corp, who can't be wardecced).

There are PLENTY of corps for new players to join that know how to deal with a war.
And if they make their own, they should already have read up on what a corp means, and know they can get wardecced.

And even if they made one, they only get wardecced, if they for some reason stand out as a target.


ALL you and all the other whiners do, is give some false argument regarding new players etc. but in the end all you do is yell:

CCP, FIX WARDECS SO I CAN CAREBEAR IN COMPLETE PEACE.

your a **** that wants free kills , like the rest.

The changes being proposed are small; incremental increases to wardecs. What is wrong with that!?!

Simple: there's no reason for doing so. That makes it inherently wrong.

Figure out if there's anything even remotely resembling a problem. Then figure out what the causes of that problem are. Then figure out the myriad of solutions to those causes. Then figure out which of those solutions would have the least impact on the game overall.

Jumping straight to the end without any of the intervening steps means the proposed solution is 100% awful by default.

You are the typical wardec numpty that CCP have already made changes to Eve because of. First off, to misquote or misrepresemt the other person's point: I clearly stated we (I) do NOT want WoW-type protection in Eve.

The changes being proposed are small; incremental increases to wardecs. What is wrong with that!?! It will cut out many of the frivolous wardecs made by numerous bored psuedo-PVP corps.

The other point was it was a hypothetical example: the general rule is not to mine during war: you can get around that ofc but it does mean organizing protected fleets.

And didn't you know that many PVPers do not login while they play alts who spy on their chosen opponent for vulnerable quarry? You're the kind of mug who would get caught with your trousers down, merrily mining away oblivious that they had you under observation the whole time!!

A small correction to wardecs would be a good rebalancing IMO. Greater safeguards to new players are needed to increase the revenue CCP get for this brilliant game!

Simple: there's no reason for doing so. That makes it inherently wrong.

Figure out if there's anything even remotely resembling a problem. Then figure out what the causes of that problem are. Then figure out the myriad of solutions to those causes. Then figure out which of those solutions would have the least impact on the game overall.

Jumping straight to the end without any of the intervening steps means the proposed solution is 100% awful by default.

And how is changing the war mechanics going to help NEW players (who start in a NPC corp, who can't be wardecced).

1. There are PLENTY of corps for new players to join that know how to deal with a war.

2. And if they make their own, they should already have read up on what a corp means, and know they can get wardecced.

3. And even if they made one, they only get wardecced, if they for some reason stand out as a target.

ALL you and all the other whiners do, is give some false argument regarding new players etc. but in the end all you do is yell:

CCP, FIX WARDECS SO I CAN CAREBEAR IN COMPLETE PEACE.

Hey I agree with your point Tippia!

I see a real problem with multiple wardecs. I also see the issue that wardecs are too cheap. Making them a bit more expensive to the aggressor will not stop the wardecs, but will make them consider wardeccing more selectively.

You and several others see no problem whatsoever. That's where we disagree and where CCP have to decide one way or the other.

In the end, we all want what is best for the great game that is Eve Online.

Because many of them join player corps early. They are encouraged to do so at every turn: In the forums, in the help channels, by CCP, by other players, etc.

I see a real problem with multiple wardecs.

I also see the issue that wardecs are too cheap.

I know...I'm a NCQA regular, and on that same forum there is a great guide on how to find a PROPER corp.

And a PROPER corp will help you during wardecs

They will have counter measures, tips and tricks, PvP players to defend you etc. etc.

Hey I agree with your point Tippia!

I see a real problem with multiple wardecs. I also see the issue that wardecs are too cheap. Making them a bit more expensive to the aggressor will not stop the wardecs, but will make them consider wardeccing more selectively.

You and several others see no problem whatsoever. That's where we disagree and where CCP have to decide one way or the other.

In the end, we all want what is best for the great game that is Eve Online.

That's fantastic. It's too bad so many new players don't automagically know where to find the best resources. If only we had a properly updated official wiki with everything you need to know as a new player. But we don't.

1. And plenty more that do not know how to deal with a war.
2. They should, but many do not have a complete understanding of the ever-changing wardec mechanics. Maybe they read some outdated or poorly written help file. Does that make them a player we should exclude?
3. That's utter nonsense, and is akin to blaming a **** victim for wearing skimpy outfits.



Ad hominem and caps FTW. If you think my argument is false, prove it so. If you are unable to do so, concede the point or GTFO before you make yourself look like an idiot.

Same response to you as the other idiot that can't do any research:

I don't wardec...Hell, I hardly undock.

But you think that increasing the money amount will hurt the wardeccers....good luck, you have even less braincells then I expected.

You do know that trading can give you billions a month as PROFIT. So, wardeccers have to get their ships from some place, guess what, the wardecs are not an income, they have alts and side jobs to provide it.

The only way a war will be fixed, if you get yourself and your lazy bum out of that mining ship / mission blingy ship and fight people.


And you do know that lots of people have MULTIPLE accounts.

PvP guys can play on their PvP guy while having an alt online to spy on you.

Same counts for you, you can mine while having an alt next door on the gate watching for War targets.


In the end, EVERY and ALL of your post can be summed down to 1 single TL:DR


*I'm a F-ing Carebear, I want risk free PvE...CCP HELP ME*



And you do know, subscription numbers are still INCREASING...which means that current system is doing just fine for new players to keep coming to the game.