There is a middle-ground between the sublime and the ridiculous and it's up to CCP to find the right level. Put a limit on number of wardecs at any given time for example, or make them more expensive for each additional one. That won't put small PVP corps out-of-business.

ArenGÇÖt you ignoring the new bros who posted above stating that wardecs were a fresh breath of air to their dull PvE worlds? Yes, yes you are.

And you are not screaming on the forums here??!!

Some people who get wardecced when they are new enjoy the experience.
Therefore, all new people who get wardecced enjoy the experience.

Can you see the fallacy in that? While I appreciate a cool story as much as anyone, a couple guys taken as a sample from a pool that cannot, by definition, include the players who left because they did NOT enjoy being ***raped as noobs just doesn't carry any more weight than a limited sample should. Sorry, but your position is just another fallacy.

Hmm, I re read my post, but I cant see where I stated that "all new people who get wardecced enjoyed the experience"
You appear to by trying to create yet another strawman here.

14th Wikipedia link of the conversation.

... If war decs were doubled in cost, would it "kill wardeccing for small corps?" What if it was tripled? What if it merely started at the same level but scaled up much more quickly as more corps are decced? Would any of this "kill" small corp wardeccing?

...how many MMOs have you played where people actually make the complaint that the entirety of the game's pve is terrible, while still actively playing said game?

Again, you're taking an "all or nothing" stance, which is just another way to frame the same old false dilemma. "You must choose between the current wardec system or PVE only!" Hogwash. Increasing the costs of wardecs does not equal turning Eve into a PVE-only game. Of course no one wants to kill PVP, so why go on a rant about how bad PVE is? How is that relevant? No one is suggesting that we remove the "fear of loss". There will still be wardecs.

Distilling an argument to its essence is not a strawman fallacy. Your sample is too small to be meaningful. Fact. Also, players who may have had a very different experience are excluded, because they unsubbed, and have no forum access. Therefore, the sample was taken from an incomplete pool that should include all players who were wardecced as noobs, but does not. You asked why I don't give much weight to the newbro posts. That is why.

You made some good points there. I think it's a bit insulting to the developers to say that the PVE is boring, on the contrary, for me it's what makes me want to play Eve the most.

The PVP side is the same as with any online game IMO, but without the safeguards as others which makes Eve more special.

I certainly don't want it taken away, but adapted to allow new players to start up their own corps without getting chased out by trivial griefers.

An increasing cost for multiple wardecs would be a good game balancer.

I know plenty of new players who made their own corp and never got wardecced. If you get wardecced, it means you made yourself a target one way or another.

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why did you just make yourself a target?

PARAGRAPHS! for the love of the flying spaghetti monster use paragraphs!

But to answer the title of the thread.

No, wars dont make people leave. People leave because they find out that EVE isnt the game for them. EVE has always been a PvP centered game, if you are expecting it to be carebear heaven you will be disapointed and leave. This doesnt mean the game is wrong or at fault, it means that EVE isnt your type of game.


This actually happened to a friend of mine who tried EVE for 3 months. After that he just acknowledged that EVE wasnt for him as he was really into PvE and nothing more. But unlike all the whining carebears in this thread and generally on the forums, he did see it in the right way: The game wasnt wrong or broken, it was just not the game for him.

im lillitarate but how many languages can you speak?
talk.

WTB Extra tank for highsec carebear tears. Current tanks are already full.


Also, if a 100 man indy corp gets wardecced by a 7 man PvP corp....wow, the odds are 100:7. But instead of fighting together in a PVP GAME, you come here to whine about EVE being unfair.


Tip: EVE isnt fair. HTFU or go play a different theme park game.

I've forgotten Spanish, Italian, and Russian from lack of usage after uni (not that I was ever any good at them anyway) ... so currently, English and a smattering of random words/phrases from the afore-mentioned languages ...

Not that I really know what that has to do with the complaint of DC using walls of text... ?

You are doing your high-school debating team proud. Now how about discussing the points rather than just picking the most appropriate canned arguement you can find to allow yourself to dismiss the opposing view without actually having to justify your stance? On the bright side, you would have a promising future in politics!

You ignored my example about that: when the aggressors were challenged they stayed docked up in a station. They also rarely logged in, yet decced as many corps as they could pay for, costly themselves a few 100miliion, costing the many defenders several billions!

Meanwhile the 7-man corp chuckled as they thought to themselves, "How dangerous we are, to declare war on so many!"

The balance is clearly wrong IMO and needs a neutral head of CCP to examine it.

Tip: Go play GTA yourself!

how cant you forget?

Actually, that link isn't to wikipedia, nor was any other link I provided. It sounds like you have a basic problem with me providing links and refusing to argue against points that are nothing more than logical fallacies. If people in this thread can't be arsed to present an argument in a rational manner and support it with valid evidence, then why should I have to pretend that they are?

The rules of logic are set in stone. You can't ignore them and have a rational argument any more than you can ignore them while programming and have a program that runs like it should. Garbage in, garbage out. I won't pretend it doesn't stink to accommodate the intellectually lazy.

Assuming you're asking "how can I forget" those languages ... well, it's kind of difficult to remember them 6+ years after you've studied them for only a brief period of time (each one approximately 2 semesters) -- especially when what you do know hardly constitutes as "fluent".

So. The aggressors dont log on. HOW is that affecting the defenders. They cant kill you when not logged in. I have mined and missioned in the past while under a wardec. Add them to your watchlist, be on your toes when one of them is online. If they are all offline, what is different then not wardecced.

So. The aggressors dont log on. HOW is that affecting the defenders. They cant kill you when not logged in. I have mined and missioned in the past while under a wardec. Add them to your watchlist, be on your toes when one of them is online. If they are all offline, what is different then not wardecced.

YOU are exactly the kind that is wrong with EVE. Expecting a complete safe enviroment and CCPs help all the time.

Let me repeat it again: CCP themself stated that highsec is NOT completely safe, just a bit safer. They dont want WoW inspace like you want. The stuff is working as intended. EVE is Darwinism at its best, adapt or die... A 100 man indy corp can wreck havoc to any PvP corp that decs them. They have numbers, they can build their own supplies. They just need a big pair of balls and tactics, but.most only care about 1 thing, their own carebearing size of their wallets

**** you

get down and talk to the locals next time best advice can give you if your telling the truth