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Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2578	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:09:00 - [91] - Quote I especially like the bit where the event collapsed into disarray and failure, and then CCP handwaved a 'oh the target self destructed anyway just because REASONS' because the people running them are utterly incompetent and have to railroad their Live Events into a pre-determined outcome regardless of what actually happens in game.
Arn Dog 24	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:09:00 - [92] - Quote jaon43 wrote: gf LOL if only it was a "fight" i only got one of your guys before getting nuked
Fer'isam K'ahn None Of One 35	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:11:00 - [93] - Quote Thx for the invite. Last time I raged was at my first ship loss ... now, not so much, but I would have like to get as far as see 'your' space at least ;) Who knows, maybe another day
Arn Dog 24	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:12:00 - [94] - Quote Scatim Helicon wrote: I especially like the bit where the event collapsed into disarray and failure, and then CCP handwaved a 'oh the target self destructed anyway just because REASONS' because the people running them are utterly incompetent and have to railroad their Live Events into a pre-determined outcome regardless of what actually happens in game. See its sounding more like incompetence also played a massive part. Thing is this is a PVE event where they threw PVP into the mix. But hardly anyone got to see the PVE event and have no idea what the launch event was meant to be lol
KaRa DaVuT Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance 5	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:14:00 - [95] - Quote Scatim Helicon wrote: I especially like the bit where the event collapsed into disarray and failure, and then CCP handwaved a 'oh the target self destructed anyway just because REASONS' because the people running them are utterly incompetent and have to railroad their Live Events into a pre-determined outcome regardless of what actually happens in game. :CCP: Oh man.. It really made my day.. And I wa afraid that I could miss the evet.. TY CCP for free kills and content. Bringing hisec noobs to biggest sovwar zone... I really wonder the event guys even playing the same game with us..
Amber Kurvora Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance 65	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:15:00 - [96] - Quote Scatim Helicon wrote: I especially like the bit where the event collapsed into disarray and failure, and then CCP handwaved a 'oh the target self destructed anyway just because REASONS' because the people running them are utterly incompetent and have to railroad their Live Events into a pre-determined outcome regardless of what actually happens in game. See, I kind of view that as a cop out. CCP should have made it that failure cost something - lore wise or in game mechanics. Having it self destruct robs both sides of any real meaning. Sure the pirates/null seccers were more about the pew-pew, but having something to show for it would have made their smugness even greater. If the carebears had pushed on and destroyed the facility, they would have had a sense of accomplishment which no one could have taken away from them. Imagine if the carebears did have that sense of accomplishment. Imagine them feeling like they could go into low, null and not only survive, but come out feeling great about what they did.
Shalua Rui Rui Freelance Mining 22226	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:15:00 - [97] - Quote Just heard about that and have to say: Well played CCP... I'm deffinatly out now as soon as my sub runs out. I started EVE 8 years ago to play a scifie game, not social experiment... CCP can keep it's little sociopath club.
Shawnm339 UK Corp RAZOR Alliance 90	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:15:00 - [98] - Quote I came I saw I blew stuff up...I giggled uncontrollably for an hour...I lost a zealot...I still kept giggling Please CCP herd more folks to one of the most active systems in Eve like lemmings off a cliff....fun was had
Arn Dog 24	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:16:00 - [99] - Quote KaRa DaVuT wrote: Scatim Helicon wrote: I especially like the bit where the event collapsed into disarray and failure, and then CCP handwaved a 'oh the target self destructed anyway just because REASONS' because the people running them are utterly incompetent and have to railroad their Live Events into a pre-determined outcome regardless of what actually happens in game. :CCP: Oh man.. It really made my day.. And I wa afraid that I could miss the evet.. TY CCP for free kills and content. Bringing hisec noobs to biggest sovwar zone... I really wonder the event guys even playing the same game with us.. This is why people think they intentionally did this. I honestly cant believe that CCP don't have a clue what is going on in LS. Even the humble part time noob can watch Eve News and see the massive battles and locations.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Desperado-Enforcement LLC 10	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:18:00 - [100] - Quote Johnny Marzetti wrote: Exactly 0 isk was removed from the economy by this you colossal dumbshits. While I disapprove of the sentiment, this is correct. No isk was lost in the making of this fiasco. Ships were lost so ship prices will rise (if this was any significant number, which I doubt it was), but the only isk removed from the economy was clone replacements, whic is not a very significant amount. Also, to everyone who is annoyed by this, what did you expect to happen? Staging information was available, and this is ccp we're talking about. They like stuff going boom.
CorryBasler Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 46	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:20:00 - [101] - Quote ArmageddonX wrote: The event was "The Empires Needs Your Help!" - Well where the heck was the empire? CCP slapped the high sec community in the face. CCP ran a story based event and on purpose lead the group to null-sec where they KNEW everyone would die. You gave us no warning! 99% of us didn't even have time to activate a single module or defend ourselves whatsoever. This is the worst "event" I have ever attended in a MMO in my entire life. CCP trolled their own player-base. Shameful. CCP knew exactly what they were doing here. Lambs to the slaughter. I knew I would lose my ship today. I was ready for a fight. I wasn't ready to be lead to the slaughter without even a fight and LEAD into the lions den by CCP. U mad bro?
KaRa DaVuT Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance 5	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:20:00 - [102] - Quote Arn Dog wrote: KaRa DaVuT wrote: Scatim Helicon wrote: I especially like the bit where the event collapsed into disarray and failure, and then CCP handwaved a 'oh the target self destructed anyway just because REASONS' because the people running them are utterly incompetent and have to railroad their Live Events into a pre-determined outcome regardless of what actually happens in game. :CCP: Oh man.. It really made my day.. And I wa afraid that I could miss the evet.. TY CCP for free kills and content. Bringing hisec noobs to biggest sovwar zone... I really wonder the event guys even playing the same game with us.. This is why people think they intentionally did this. I honestly cant believe that CCP don't have a clue what is going on in LS. Even the humble part time noob can watch Eve News and see the massive battles and locations. Honestly there was no info on rzr side by ccp or anyone until our spy network informed us. Well dont search big conspiracy behid this as its just the same CCP as always.. Its 10 years but still they dont have a single clue about this game and playerbase. No more
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 296	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:21:00 - [103] - Quote Arn Dog wrote: ... I honestly cant believe that CCP don't have a clue what is going on in LS. Even the humble part time noob can watch Eve News and see the massive battles and locations. ...but not be so informed as to be able to avoid conspiracy/screwup/lemming execution? AHEUHEUEHEUEHEUEHEUEHEUEHEU
ArmageddonX Mining My Own Bussiness 3	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:21:00 - [104] - Quote I've never seen a game development company utterly mess up something like this. It's either malevolent or complete incompetence. It was a story-based PvE event changed to PvP last minute (so people brought PvE ships), then the location changed last minute, then the entire group let straight into the lions den. Even the Twitch streamers were questioning the legitimacy of this encounter. We were told by the event leaders (yellow text) to go into Doril. It was all a setup from the very beginning. The actual event leaders said "Ok now JUMP!" (into Doril) and tell people in the event to go through the gate KNOWING they will all die on the other side b/c TiDi was so horrible. This wasnt an event. This was shameful. We certainly cannot trust these events ever again. Terrible way to launch an expansion.
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 296	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:26:00 - [105] - Quote ArmageddonX wrote: ... This was an event. This was shameful. We certainly should never have trusted these events. Awesome way to launch an expansion. This is like when a relative dresses up as Santa Claus and sets fire to the curtains, sure it looked like a mistake but you can smell the beer on him and he's laughing so hard he coughed up a cigarette butt. Also: AHEUEHEUEHEUEHEUEHEU
Sir Spottington Merchants Trade Consortium The Last Chancers. 42	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:27:00 - [106] - Quote CCP did say that everyone would likely die..... quit bitching its eve, HTFU or go home
Renegade Heart The MIneral Munchers 20	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:29:00 - [107] - Quote ArmageddonX wrote: We were told by the event leaders (yellow text) to go into Doril. It was all a setup from the very beginning. The actual event leaders said "Ok now JUMP!" (into Doril) and tell people in the event to go through the gate KNOWING they will all die on the other side b/c TiDi was so horrible.
William Westmere Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 19	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:29:00 - [108] - Quote ArmageddonX wrote: I've never seen a game development company utterly mess up something like this. It's either malevolent or complete incompetence. It was a story-based PvE event changed to PvP last minute (so people brought PvE ships), then the location changed last minute, then the entire group let straight into the lions den. Even the Twitch streamers were questioning the legitimacy of this encounter. We were told by the event leaders (yellow text) to go into Doril. It was all a setup from the very beginning. The actual event leaders said "Ok now JUMP!" (into Doril) and tell people in the event to go through the gate KNOWING they will all die on the other side b/c TiDi was so horrible. This wasnt an event. This was shameful. We certainly cannot trust these events ever again. Terrible way to launch an expansion. Oh no CCP killed muh super pimped mission ship they were out to get me setup setup!! :tinfoil: It's almost as if you stupid publords don't know that you shouldn't undock anything you can't afford to lose, if you had all been a little less awful maybe you wouldn't have been slaughtered by razor of all people.
Arn Dog 24	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:34:00 - [109] - Quote Sir Spottington wrote: CCP did say that everyone would likely die..... quit bitching its eve, HTFU or go home Losing ships is not the issues here guys. Its the handling of the event. The dev on our side told us to jump in and the went silent. The Dev's at the event sites spilled some crap about the ship blowing up then left. The other fleet the devs dc'd on route leaving half our fleet there with no info on where to go. You add this to the other event and the way it was included makes me question any trust i previously had in the Dev's. RAZOR are good. No one is blaming any lowsec corp for this and if someone came in my zone like this i would have done the same. But being forced to drilling 10 at a time because our fleets of over 3000 players have been intentionally split up causes this to happen. We all wanted to have a good fight if/when we came up against enough. What would have happened if you guys were jumping into H.S with 10% TD and we were all sat on the other side waiting while you stream out in 1's and 2's? Would you call that a good fight?
Malcolm Shinhwa Bad Touches 633	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:34:00 - [110] - Quote INB4 statement from CCP apologizing for the mix up, saying they are putting live events on hold while they come up with a sound strategy for them (that they promise to run passed the CSM) , then shut up about tthe issue and say nothing for the next several months (ref ToSgate, somer blink promo, somer blink scorps, somer blink RMT) .
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 537	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:36:00 - [111] - Quote So.....you go into null sec with a disorganized group of hiseccers, most of whom have never been in a real fight. You got demolished by an organized fleet with a decent comp. Working as intended, learn to play the game.
Johnson Johnson UK Corp RAZOR Alliance 66	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:41:00 - [112] - Quote OFFICIAL RAZOR ALLIANCE RESPONSE TO THESE SHOCKING REVELATIONS: gf.
flakeys Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans 1594	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:43:00 - [113] - Quote When i logged in i heard about the event.I had 30 minutes left to get there.Most of my alliance and friends i know in other nullsec entities didnt even give a damn to go there. I clonejumped 18 jumps out of the nullsec form up , bought me a ship and flew there dodging 2 neut gatecamps in null and one in low-sec.When i got there i had to reship ... then reship again and decided to dive in solo. I got killed after the 2nd jump or so so bought myself a new ship , fitted it and joined a goon fleet of about 40ish guys.Went into system , kille stuff and got killed , jumped system and bought myself a new ship.Got back into the fightin area ..lost anothher ship and jumped to the next system again to reship ... jumped into the fight again to loose another ship and reshipped again to join the fight. In short i was notified at a late time of the event and had to reship 4 times , using a market available to everyone to do so and so i did.Most high-sec players got shot down , warped from gate to gate to get home and got shot. Now you can blaim this on CCP or RAZOR or anyone you like.Or you could blaim it on the fact that the way you are ''used to playing the game'' means you are used to not having to adapt and/or change strategy most of the times.That is our key difference in my opinion.
Ezekiel Ironstone FISE Squad 0	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:47:00 - [114] - Quote I had my suspicions about CCP's plan when they announced the gathering for people who wanted to play on the pirate side of things. Once the destination was set to null by the FC's it was pretty obvious what was going to happen. They'd have been more successful if they'd chosen a system a lot closer to Ihal for the initial gathering. Sarum Prim was so many jumps that probably half the original number never even made it out of high-sec before it was common knowledge what was going on. This was my first experience with TiDi, and it was quite interesting learning what is and isn't affected by it. I also learned to never go into low/null without a scram/disruptor fit. The one engagement I got into I lost because I couldn't keep the guy from warping out. Overall it was a nice event, but it does seem like it was a big "**** you" from CCP to high-sec, that's for sure. At the very least it could have been more organized. The execution of the prank was really poorly done.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 3560	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:47:00 - [115] - Quote A lot of people are missing CCP Soundwave today. This is not a jab at CCP Falcon though. CCP simply tried something different today, and it didn't work out. Now people, they mad.
Arn Dog 27	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:49:00 - [116] - Quote flakeys wrote: When i logged in i heard about the event.I had 30 minutes left to get there.Most of my alliance and friends i know in other nullsec entities didnt even give a damn to go there. I clonejumped 18 jumps out of the nullsec form up , bought me a ship and flew there dodging 2 neut gatecamps in null and one in low-sec.When i got there i had to reship ... then reship again and decided to dive in solo. I got killed after the 2nd jump or so so bought myself a new ship , fitted it and joined a goon fleet of about 40ish guys.Went into system , kille stuff and got killed , jumped system and bought myself a new ship.Got back into the fightin area ..lost anothher ship and jumped to the next system again to reship ... jumped into the fight again to loose another ship and reshipped again to join the fight. In short i was notified at a late time of the event and had to reship 4 times , using a market available to everyone to do so and so i did.Most high-sec players got shot down , warped from gate to gate to get home and got shot. Now you can claim this on CCP or RAZOR or anyone you like.Or you could blame it on the fact that the way you are ''used to playing the game'' means you are used to not having to adapt and/or change strategy most of the times.That is our key difference in my opinion. Your talking about a PVP event. I know how to PVP :) i have no issues with it. This was pitched as a PVE event which was supposed to have multi empire support. What it turned into is the Dev's telling a large H.S Fleet to essentially split up and head into L.S. Once told to jump then disappeared! The State support wasn't even a shuttle lol With any MMO if you join a Dev lead player event with no info of whats going on you follow them not wanting to miss out. Especially on a launch coming up to a expansion. This was just a mess. If the aim was to get people to see and experience the new content then the event failed. Most people didn't get their. If this was a PVP event i still would have been their but half the fleet would not have. This turned into a turkey shoot. I was one of the last standing with the first fleet jump but cant do anything 1 vs 200 lol
niceandblue Repercussus 19	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:51:00 - [117] - Quote GF
Shaddock Katal Mining My Own Bussiness 0	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:51:00 - [118] - Quote This event went sour from the start. The HS faction was told that the objectives were secret and that we had to follow empire (CCP)directions to find the objective. We were then from the start placed in two rally points, then all send to a separate rally point, and then moved again. The problem with this was most / all the nodes along the went wen to time dilation which got worse as the fleet moved, meaning the first fleets that moved went many times faster than the next fleets that moved. This problem was exacerbated by the fact the directions to players came over twitter and not in game, causing further split of the HS forces. As the multiple HS fleets approached the second staging areas the fleets that were still 10-20 jumps away attempted to tell the closer FCs to hold place. The fleets initially moved 1 jump towards the final objective then held. However a CCP dev then intervened in game told everyone to jump because there was only a small force on the other side. The HS fleets that were present were then in a position of listening to their FCs or listening to a CCP Dev on what to do. Unlike the NS/LS groups the HS fleets didnt know our FC's from anyone else and figured the Dev was telling us to jump as part of the event. This lead to the initial massacre. The second set of fleets which I was in then started hearing reports of ENTIRE FLEETS of HS members dying with little to no kills inflicted causing mass confusion in the ranks, desertions of fleet (including my FC), and an eventual decision to hold in place until more direction or plans could be conceived. This problem started with poor communication from CCP event leaders, and a strangely timed intervention by a CCP dev ordering HS fleets into a battle as if they were our FCs. That combined with what was mentioned previously in this thread of the NS location to attack led to this debacle. I am sure a well organized NS fleet would have still beat the disorganized HS fleet in a battle, but this wasnt a battle we were told about, this was an ambush that CCP lead us into.
Strinyth heart Magnus Opus Xodus 0	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:55:00 - [119] - Quote I enjoyed the event, and I hope CCP makes more of these in the future. However i do wish that next time, the "FC" broadcast targets when we find a gatecamp rather than just asking people to burn away from the bubbles and warp out. People that went that far in that heavy tidi were hoping to be able to do a fleet fight, not all that organized with no comms but still a fleet fight, it had everthing to be a fun fight but the CCP FCs literally did nothing outside of telling people where to go and qutting when everyone died, i guess next time i better form up with the pirates apparently they had a lot of fun.
Cat Casidy Origin. Black Legion. 162	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:57:00 - [120] - Quote Tavi Baldocchi wrote: you do realize they changed the destination 10 minutes before the event started right? But the new destination had the gate camps all ready Probly been pointed out already but the new destination was our home system with razor's one jump away and we all actually had much better things to be doing than trying to wage a war with our staging sys in 10% tidi. -edit, and yeah no idea why they felt the need to bring you guys a) to the middle of the warzone where we're having 1-2-3 thousand person fights daily, and b) not reinforce any of the nodes.

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