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Arn Dog
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Posted - 2013.11.07 19:56:00 -
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Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly of it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour get get their ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR ? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
4682
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:01:00 -
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I'm surprised it was Razor and not PL.
You do realize that EVERYONE was notified of event and that not everyone plays nicely?
Welcome to Eve.
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cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
297
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:04:00 -
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Arn Dog wrote:Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly of it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour get get their ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR ? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself.
I'm impressed with the speed of their logistics. I don't think CCP was responsible at all. |
Arn Dog
3
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:04:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:I'm surprised it was Razor and not PL.
You do realize that EVERYONE was notified of event and that not everyone plays nicely?
Welcome to Eve.
I am well aware of this. The problem is that CCP were running the event, had total control, LowSec had no dilation. So 3 jumps for us took 45 mins, Razor had nearly an hour to get organized, + they were all sat ready with 150k snipers, I logistically they are well organized but seems like they knew just were we would be. CCP even told us to jump in!
This was lambs to the slaughter. I was one of the later fleet members to die watching everyone get owned the instant they get out of jump. |
Tavi Baldocchi
Blue Sun Industry The Explicit Alliance
2
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:05:00 -
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you do realize they changed the destination 10 minutes before the event started right? But the new destination had the gate camps all ready |
Jythier Smith
Sequestration INC. Harmonic Convergence
47
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:06:00 -
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Arrrr is for Ready. |
Baaldor
In Igne Morim Easily Excited
175
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:07:00 -
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Arn Dog wrote:War Kitten wrote:I'm surprised it was Razor and not PL.
You do realize that EVERYONE was notified of event and that not everyone plays nicely?
Welcome to Eve.
I am well aware of this. The problem is that CCP were running the event, had total control, LowSec had no dilation. So 3 jumps for us took 45 mins, Razor had nearly an hour to get organized, + they were all sat ready with 150k snipers, I logistically they are well organized but seems like they knew just were we would be. CCP even told us to jump in! This was lambs to the slaughter. I was one of the later fleet members to die watching everyone get owned the instant they get out of jump.
You are assuming that CCP has decent FC's or even good at this game.
And not too mention these guys (Razor) and company have been doing this crap for years, they KNOW how to get it done. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
4682
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:07:00 -
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No way Razor had someone "participating" in the event to pass along intel right?
No one would think of that.
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Jythier Smith
Sequestration INC. Harmonic Convergence
47
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:09:00 -
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So, you took 45 minutes to not even get to do the storyline event? Now that's EVE. Funny when it happens to everyone else. I guess I get the whole tears thing suddenly. |
cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
297
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:10:00 -
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This means only one thing. They got lucky. I really doubt there was a setup. |
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Laserak
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
143
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:10:00 -
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So what was the event and what did they 'get'? |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1069
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:11:00 -
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It's almost as if they had experience with attacking a fleet when it's vulnerable by anticipating changes and gathering intel.
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
4682
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:11:00 -
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...and did you happen to see this bit of info go out this morning:
"The empires of EVE Online are launching an assault tonight at 18:50. But their targets are not simply going to sit by and let that happen! They've put out their own call to action for anyone who wants to fight the power of the empires! If you're devious and wicked enough to fight against the forces of good in New Eden, go to systems FD-MLJ or Utopia at 18:50 onward and join the fleets there!"
Go figure, a live event ends up being a PVP event with players on both sides. Who would've thunk it?
Did you just think you'd be shooting at little red pluses in relative safety of a CCP fleet? |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2434
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:11:00 -
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So the event was staged in hisec but ended in a succession of bloody lowsec gatecamps under heavy TiDi? Success! Ah, the smell of success in the morning...
...is not something CCP could ever get used to. |
Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
658
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:13:00 -
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Arn Dog wrote:Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly of it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour get get their ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR ? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself.
Shut up you dumb ****. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
493
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:13:00 -
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How dare RZR prepare for a live event. They should be burn.
Unfortunately, implying favoritism is against the TOS, so I would never imply such a thing. (PL) |
Arn Dog
3
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:15:00 -
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Aryndel Vyst wrote:Arn Dog wrote:Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly of it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour get get their ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR ? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself. Shut up you dumb ****.
When i start listening to a Goon i am in the ****, Get back to your lowsec whole! |
Jythier Smith
Sequestration INC. Harmonic Convergence
47
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:15:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:...and did you happen to see this bit of info go out this morning:
"The empires of EVE Online are launching an assault tonight at 18:50. But their targets are not simply going to sit by and let that happen! They've put out their own call to action for anyone who wants to fight the power of the empires! If you're devious and wicked enough to fight against the forces of good in New Eden, go to systems FD-MLJ or Utopia at 18:50 onward and join the fleets there!"
Go figure, a live event ends up being a PVP event with players on both sides. Who would've thunk it?
Did you just think you'd be shooting at little red pluses in relative safety of a CCP fleet?
Where was that? |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1069
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:18:00 -
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Arn Dog wrote:Aryndel Vyst wrote:Arn Dog wrote:Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly of it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour get get their ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR ? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself. Shut up you dumb ****. When i start listening to a Goon i am in the ****, Get back to your lowsec whole!
Goons live in nullsec holes. You dumb starstarstarstar.
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Arn Dog
3
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:18:00 -
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Lets be frank. The opinion of everyone i flew with is CCP tipped off them on the event location and this was a set up. They were already sat on the gate!
I am not saying that RAZOR are not good at what they do and we were all expecting PVP. Not a dev telling us their is some ships on the other side and to jump. Only to find 500 ships all taking every ship out as the come out of jump.
This has simply meant that half the game player base has missed out on the event. Not only this but they have alienated a **** ton of people! |
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To Be Me
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:19:00 -
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What would you expect?? People to just let you slide through in lowsec without welcoming you??
I think you need to go have a shower and relax.. :p |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
7078
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:21:00 -
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Come on guys...no one really expected CCP to follow their own rules now did you?
I cant really think of any major happenings lately that would point otherwise.... nope..not one.
Anyways, LOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLLLLLLOOOOLOLLLL and or HA. |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
134
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:22:00 -
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To Be Me wrote:What would you expect?? People to just let you slide through in lowsec without welcoming you??
I think you need to go have a shower and relax.. :p
I would have thought this was obvious to everyone.
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:24:00 -
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Arn Dog wrote:Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly of it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour get get their ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR ? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself.
I'm not surprised Razor were there... your route went straight through their staging system. Not good planning there chaps. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2574
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:27:00 -
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Its almost as though organisations based in 0.0 have organisational skills that allow them to react to circumstances quicker than a disorganised gaggle of un-coordinated highseccers |
Arn Dog
4
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:28:00 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Arn Dog wrote:Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly of it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour get get their ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR ? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself. I'm not surprised Razor were there... your route went straight through their staging system. Not good planning there chaps.
This is what i mean,
I have NO issue with PVP! i love it. I expected to get killed.
But this looks like such a set up. I would be surprised if they weren't aware they knew it was in Low Sec and ready to gate camp. Why did CCP not have the event in H.S and bring the corps into the sec? Too easy or not part of the plan? Currently no one has seen the new content and all that has happened is a H.S killing field. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
4684
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:29:00 -
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Jythier Smith wrote:War Kitten wrote:...and did you happen to see this bit of info go out this morning:
"The empires of EVE Online are launching an assault tonight at 18:50. But their targets are not simply going to sit by and let that happen! They've put out their own call to action for anyone who wants to fight the power of the empires! If you're devious and wicked enough to fight against the forces of good in New Eden, go to systems FD-MLJ or Utopia at 18:50 onward and join the fleets there!"
Go figure, a live event ends up being a PVP event with players on both sides. Who would've thunk it?
Did you just think you'd be shooting at little red pluses in relative safety of a CCP fleet? Where was that?
EVE Online News RSS feed. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1070
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:30:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Its almost as though organisations based in 0.0 have organisational skills that allow them to react to circumstances quicker than a disorganised gaggle of un-coordinated highseccers
That's crazy talk! They would need things like scouts in nearby systems and/or spies in a fleet anyone can join. No, it's a conspiracy, maaaan! |
Lucy Oreless
Control-Space DARKNESS.
171
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:33:00 -
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Arn Dog wrote: ....gobble-gobble...
This is actually far more entertaining than watching you all die in Doril on Mad Ani's stream |
Jythier Smith
Sequestration INC. Harmonic Convergence
48
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:36:00 -
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Wonder if the two fleets had anyone left by the time they met up. |
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Lipbite
Express Hauler
1158
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:48:00 -
[31] - Quote
Now go buy GTC from CCP - to compensate your loses. |
Krystyn
Serenity Rising LLC Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
123
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:51:00 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Arn Dog wrote:Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly of it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour get get their ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR ? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself. I'm not surprised Razor were there... your route went straight through their staging system. Not good planning there chaps.
CCP led everyone right through a Major Null Sec groups staging system. Fail on their part or deliberate misleading... Well no sh!t they were able to get a gate camp up pretty quickly. The TiDi just helped by having people jump into their system a little bit slower or a lot bit slower actually making it very easy pickings for them. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
958
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:55:00 -
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HAHAHAHA! this is AMAZING!
This event tanked so bad that its actually awesome! |
Frangus
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
1
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:01:00 -
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Arn Dog wrote:Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly of it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour get get their ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR ? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself.
We are deployed to Doril so took like 3 min to set up the gate camp when we knew they where going through there. |
Amber Kurvora
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
63
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:01:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote:This means only one thing. They got lucky. I really doubt there was a setup.
That's what a spy would say to throw us off the tracks...
It was amusing bouncing between belts on the pipelines back and watching ships turn into capsules, turn into pods, turn into corpses. Mainly the people who didn't use D-scan or find longer routes back into low. Plenty of ***** and giggles though. |
Arn Dog
10
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:05:00 -
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Frangus wrote:Arn Dog wrote:Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly of it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour get get their ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR ? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself. We are deployed to Doril so took like 3 min to set up the gate camp when we knew they where going through there.
Exactly, and it took us 30 mins + to get their. CCP knew you guys where their. Why on earth they chose to go through one of the most fought battlefield in weeks only god knows.
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Amber Kurvora
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
63
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:06:00 -
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Arn Dog wrote:Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Arn Dog wrote:Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly of it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour get get their ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR ? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself. I'm not surprised Razor were there... your route went straight through their staging system. Not good planning there chaps. This is what i mean, I have NO issue with PVP! i love it. I expected to get killed. But this looks like such a set up. I would be surprised if they weren't aware they knew it was in Low Sec and ready to gate camp. Why did CCP not have the event in H.S and bring the corps into the sec? Too easy or not part of the plan? Currently no one has seen the new content and all that has happened is a H.S killing field.
I've got to admit it seemed kind of cruel to get the HS carebears all excited and then lead them like lambs to the slaughter. My conclusion? CCP wanted to stimulate the Eve economy just before Christmas.
All together now:
Holllly **** Hollly **** The gate is bubbled, We're totally boned...
(Sung to Silent Night) |
Rekkr Nordgard
The Ardency of Faith Filthy Bastards
73
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:07:00 -
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Taking a live events fleet through the second most famous null entrance system for being constantly camped in the game (just behind HED-GP) into a region that is currently being used as a base for PL, Goons, and Razor not to mention all the nasty locals because :CCP:. LOL
I was reading about the event on the forums from work, because CCP never schedules them in US tz or on the weekends, and then I got to "then we jumped into Doril..." and nearly burst out laughing. Do any of the live events staff actually play Eve? |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
263
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:08:00 -
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Krystyn wrote:Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Arn Dog wrote:Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly of it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour get get their ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR ? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself. I'm not surprised Razor were there... your route went straight through their staging system. Not good planning there chaps. CCP led everyone right through a Major Null Sec groups staging system. Fail on their part or deliberate misleading... Well no sh!t they were able to get a gate camp up pretty quickly. The TiDi just helped by having people jump into their system a little bit slower or a lot bit slower actually making it very easy pickings for them.
Please tell me someone recorded it |
cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
298
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:08:00 -
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Arn Dog wrote:Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly of it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour get get their ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR ? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself.
Ok I take everything I said back..... looks like you were right. |
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Arn Dog
15
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:09:00 -
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I think this was a CCP Troll
Look at it this way.
They take H.S Corps into the corner of the power base of major alliances. Get us all killed intentionally to start a large battle between the power blocks as they are all waiting to try and kill us. Perfect way to lower PLEX costs and get isk out of circulation.
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cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
298
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:10:00 -
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Rekkr Nordgard wrote:Taking a live events fleet through the second most famous null entrance system for being constantly camped in the game (just behind HED-GP) into a region that is currently being used as a base for PL, Goons, and Razor not to mention all the nasty locals because :CCP:. LOL
I was reading about the event on the forums from work, because CCP never schedules them in US tz or on the weekends, and then I got to "then we jumped into Doril..." and nearly burst out laughing. Do any of the live events staff actually play Eve?
Oh I think they knew exactly what they were doing.
This is how you deal with Incursion inflation. When you farm incursions 24/7 it inflates the economy. fastest way to get the inflation down is to destroy ships. Mission accomplished. |
cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
298
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:11:00 -
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Arn Dog wrote:I think this was a CCP Troll
Look at it this way.
They take H.S Corps into the corner of the power base of major alliances. Get us all killed intentionally to start a large battle between the power blocks as they are all waiting to try and kill us. Perfect way to lower PLEX costs and get isk out of circulation.
You are helping the economy. By donating your ship. For the cause.... |
Arn Dog
15
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:13:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote:Rekkr Nordgard wrote:Taking a live events fleet through the second most famous null entrance system for being constantly camped in the game (just behind HED-GP) into a region that is currently being used as a base for PL, Goons, and Razor not to mention all the nasty locals because :CCP:. LOL
I was reading about the event on the forums from work, because CCP never schedules them in US tz or on the weekends, and then I got to "then we jumped into Doril..." and nearly burst out laughing. Do any of the live events staff actually play Eve? Oh I think they knew exactly what they were doing. This is how you deal with Incursion inflation. When you farm incursions 24/7 it inflates the economy. fastest way to get the inflation down is to destroy ships. Mission accomplished.
Exactly,
This was a excellently executed operation by CCP to get billions of isk out of circulation prior to the expansion. Problem is they have F'd over half of H.S to do it and those i high sec know it! I hate to think how many subs they will lose. |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
220
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:14:00 -
[45] - Quote
What I dont get is if this information is logical...then logically you should have foreseen it happening, or did you sleep for 45 minutes? Normally one would ponder, ok...im traveling at slow speeds, they have intel and can travel normal speed so it will be a trap. Yet you continue onward anyway? Come on now.
I hate CFC...nearly all null alliances but i dont think this was a setup. If it had been you should have been the wiser to avoid it. They are professional pvpers. They live in hostile space and run intel networks, fight off invading forces, and respond quickly to threats and targets of opportunity. They are used to it and you are not. So instead you cry about it? Please let me get my tear jug to fuel my jump drives. |
Arn Dog
15
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:14:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote:Arn Dog wrote:I think this was a CCP Troll
Look at it this way.
They take H.S Corps into the corner of the power base of major alliances. Get us all killed intentionally to start a large battle between the power blocks as they are all waiting to try and kill us. Perfect way to lower PLEX costs and get isk out of circulation.
You are helping the economy. By donating your ship. For the cause....
Yup it would appear so lol |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
134
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:15:00 -
[47] - Quote
The Empires led them over the cliffs, and they went willingly. |
Arn Dog
21
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:16:00 -
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Lfod Shi wrote:The Empires led them over the cliffs, and they went willingly.
Yup, and whats funniest is that the Empires didnt leave their own space with one ship to help with "their offensive lol" |
ArmageddonX
Mining My Own Bussiness
1
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:17:00 -
[49] - Quote
The event was "The Empires Needs Your Help!" - Well where the heck was the empire? CCP slapped the high sec community in the face.
CCP ran a story based event and on purpose lead the group to null-sec where they KNEW everyone would die. You gave us no warning!
99% of us didn't even have time to activate a single module or defend ourselves whatsoever. This is the worst "event" I have ever attended in a MMO in my entire life. CCP trolled their own player-base. Shameful.
CCP knew exactly what they were doing here. Lambs to the slaughter. I knew I would lose my ship today. I was ready for a fight. I wasn't ready to be lead to the slaughter without even a fight and LEAD into the lions den by CCP. |
cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
299
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:19:00 -
[50] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:cyndrogen wrote:Rekkr Nordgard wrote:Taking a live events fleet through the second most famous null entrance system for being constantly camped in the game (just behind HED-GP) into a region that is currently being used as a base for PL, Goons, and Razor not to mention all the nasty locals because :CCP:. LOL
I was reading about the event on the forums from work, because CCP never schedules them in US tz or on the weekends, and then I got to "then we jumped into Doril..." and nearly burst out laughing. Do any of the live events staff actually play Eve? Oh I think they knew exactly what they were doing. This is how you deal with Incursion inflation. When you farm incursions 24/7 it inflates the economy. fastest way to get the inflation down is to destroy ships. Mission accomplished. Exactly, This was a excellently executed operation by CCP to get billions of isk out of circulation prior to the expansion. Problem is they have F'd over half of H.S to do it and those i high sec know it! I hate to think how many subs they will lose.
Pre expansion? None. People will get mad. People will get over it, when the new content hits the servers. People will forget. |
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Anomaly One
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:20:00 -
[51] - Quote
We were expecting a fight, not suicide, nothing but a waste of time, they were already waiting for us and the reroute was **** everyone was waiting and some even hours in Ihal by the time we got to the event it was already finished, 18:29 > rerouted to Ihal 19:51 > arrived in Ihal, then go through another 6 systems to RMOC-W , ship spinning in Sendaya, go through doril everyone dead, get through doril, easy way to RMOC-W event over.
Half the people that arrived the event was over and the other half got massacred, 10% tidi with 150 in local, 36% tidi with 1025 in local, yea sure, funniest thing ever people saying "Ignore doril go through the other route" go check your map and see the other route.
The only notification to go to ihal beforehand was on twitter the rest got notified too late, tidi on systems with 178 people in local 250 in local and less tidi with 1000+ on a single gate emm what ? no losses for me as I went with a garbage alt and a 450k frigate, glad I did.
Glad you had your fun. |
ArmageddonX
Mining My Own Bussiness
1
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:20:00 -
[52] - Quote
Anomaly One wrote:We were expecting a fight, not suicide, nothing but a waste of time,.
EXACTLY!!!
CCP said the empire would be "helping us out" - No Empire to be seen. |
cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
299
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:24:00 -
[53] - Quote
In Eve you should never follow, only lead. -CCP |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1415
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:26:00 -
[54] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:Lets be frank. The opinion of everyone i flew with is CCP tipped off them on the event location and this was a set up. They were already sat on the gate!
I am not saying that RAZOR are not good at what they do and we were all expecting PVP. Not a dev telling us their is some ships on the other side and to jump. Only to find 500 ships all taking every ship out as the come out of jump.
This has simply meant that half the game player base has missed out on the event. Not only this but they have alienated a **** ton of people!
Sorry, as much as I hate the cartels, anyone who follows the forum feed knew this was going to be a disaster for the high sec fleets. CCP in the "forces of evil post" made it abundantly clear to the null sec groups hours before to assemble fleets in Utopia (1 jump from Doril) and FD-MLJ, which is a pure hell area. The cartels knew as much as the high sec players did.
I was setting up a ship , but could not get int Sarum Prime (thanks CCP for capping it at 1300). As soon as CCP tweeted for the Sarum group to head to Ihal, I just stood down. Ihal is the high sec jumpoff to Utopia.
The cartels had 2 hours to move 1 jump and set up shop. I know of at least one incursion based shield fleet that got to the Doril gate and turned around when scouts reported 8 bubbles on the null sec side.
Anyone jumping in was going to die. Period. Now, I firmly believe that CCP set this up for the cartels' benefit, and it played out precisely that way. But the high sec fleets did not have to meekly stand on the conveyor belts heading into the rotating knives. Some got off the belt, and survived.
Dying when you have a chance , albeit small, is one thing, and can be fun. Throwing away ISK and time on a dead certainty is quite another. |
E6o5
Tyler Durden Demolitions
60
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:29:00 -
[55] - Quote
****** up event is a great distraction from SOMER RMT. OP success now go buy gtc from somer to compensate for you ship losses |
ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells Beer needs you
313
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:29:00 -
[56] - Quote
Tidi was that bad I changed course for home 8 jumps short off the massacre, 7 minutes per jump.
CCP it was just a waste of time you should have put extra hardware into the route, just not good business practise. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1071
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:30:00 -
[57] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:cyndrogen wrote:Rekkr Nordgard wrote:Taking a live events fleet through the second most famous null entrance system for being constantly camped in the game (just behind HED-GP) into a region that is currently being used as a base for PL, Goons, and Razor not to mention all the nasty locals because :CCP:. LOL
I was reading about the event on the forums from work, because CCP never schedules them in US tz or on the weekends, and then I got to "then we jumped into Doril..." and nearly burst out laughing. Do any of the live events staff actually play Eve? Oh I think they knew exactly what they were doing. This is how you deal with Incursion inflation. When you farm incursions 24/7 it inflates the economy. fastest way to get the inflation down is to destroy ships. Mission accomplished. Exactly, This was a excellently executed operation by CCP to get billions of isk out of circulation prior to the expansion. Problem is they have F'd over half of H.S to do it and those i high sec know it! I hate to think how many subs they will lose.
Exactly 0 isk was removed from the economy by this you colossal dumbshits.
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Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
35
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:32:00 -
[58] - Quote
Hehehe, I just watched and read all this to susport my suspicion and maybe vent a bit of disapointment.
My major point being the introduction of the event being misleading and poorly executed in what expectations people got. - I myself did count on PvP in the end and to get killed and prepared for that - still I hoped to at least get close.
>>> Now on the other hand, reading a few more comments adn remembering what Fozzie said in the stream regarding lore I just put things together.
Does anyone remeber the presentation of Rubicon ? More control to the players, away from the Empire ... independence ... a step that cant be taken back ...
... here is why, concord and the empire just ****** the high sec capsuleers over ... welcome to the eve lore 8)
conspiracy, myabe, same data, same effect, different concluision !
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1071
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:32:00 -
[59] - Quote
In fact a substantial amount of isk was probably introduced through insurance payments.
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Anharat
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
69
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:34:00 -
[60] - Quote
When my source told me that the event players would be lead into our hands i did not want to believe him at first but after our spy network confirmed what was going on we prepared 500 goats and set them up at sniping spots and on the gate to welcome our highsec-dwelling friends. I giggled manically when wave after wave after wave came at us in this narrow passage.
10/10 woud fight again. |
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Arn Dog
23
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:36:00 -
[61] - Quote
Anharat wrote:When my source told me that the event players would be lead into our hands i did not want to believe him at first but after our spy network confirmed what was going on we prepared 500 goats and set them up at sniping spots and on the gate to welcome our highsec-dwelling friends. I giggled manically when wave after wave after wave came at us in this narrow passage.
10/10 woud fight again.
CSM member by any chance? |
Yaco Yukutava
UK Corp RAZOR Alliance
4
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:37:00 -
[62] - Quote
In before the conspiracy theorists, oops too late :) # right place right time |
Psyentific
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
2
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:38:00 -
[63] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly of it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour get get their ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR ? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself.
You didnt do your homework we been stationed in Doril for the War. You think we wouldnt have a go at a turkey shoot on our doorstep?
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Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
35
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:40:00 -
[64] - Quote
So I guess instead of complaining and raging, its more like Thank You Razor, Thank You Goons and Pandemic Legion - and Thank You fellow High Sec'ers to give us the reason for the upcoming expansions features. Without you we would have an expansion without lore to back it up, Thank you ...
Thank You ...
*bowing my way out*
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1071
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:41:00 -
[65] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:Anharat wrote:When my source told me that the event players would be lead into our hands i did not want to believe him at first but after our spy network confirmed what was going on we prepared 500 goats and set them up at sniping spots and on the gate to welcome our highsec-dwelling friends. I giggled manically when wave after wave after wave came at us in this narrow passage.
10/10 woud fight again. CSM member by any chance?
You're assuming an awful lot of malice where stupidity will do just fine. |
Sharon Tate
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
21
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:43:00 -
[66] - Quote
Anharat wrote:When my source told me that the event players would be lead into our hands i did not want to believe him at first but after our spy network confirmed what was going on we prepared 500 goats and set them up at sniping spots and on the gate to welcome our highsec-dwelling friends. I giggled manically when wave after wave after wave came at us in this narrow passage.
10/10 woud fight again.
Man, you euros have all the fun. I had to jealously listen to jabber while you all dogpiled the event fleet... someday, oh, someday, CCP will bless us USTZ'ers with one of these... |
Pertuabo Enkidgan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:43:00 -
[67] - Quote
This whole event, oh my god
I haven't laughed like this in years. Bravo. The FC guy didn't even say goodbye, he was like ''**** it'' and left.
I'm gonna need a new pair of lungs.
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Cerlestes
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
81
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:44:00 -
[68] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly of it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour get get their ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR ? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself.
1. RAZOR has been stationed in Doril for two months now. That's why we 'got there' so fast. We're there all the time. We have 100-150 people logged into Doril at evening every day. 2. You jumped into Null-Security space. You experienced what Null-Security space is like. What did you expect? It wasn't an exception because of you guys jumping in, it was what we do every day - just not with targets as juicy as this :) |
Arn Dog
23
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:44:00 -
[69] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Arn Dog wrote:Anharat wrote:When my source told me that the event players would be lead into our hands i did not want to believe him at first but after our spy network confirmed what was going on we prepared 500 goats and set them up at sniping spots and on the gate to welcome our highsec-dwelling friends. I giggled manically when wave after wave after wave came at us in this narrow passage.
10/10 woud fight again. CSM member by any chance? You're assuming an awful lot of malice where stupidity will do just fine.
I normally base my statements off of past knowledge of actions and we all know this has happened before. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5104
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:45:00 -
[70] - Quote
Anharat wrote:When my source told me that the event players would be lead into our hands i did not want to believe him at first but after our spy network confirmed what was going on we prepared 500 goats and set them up at sniping spots and on the gate to welcome our highsec-dwelling friends. I giggled manically when wave after wave after wave came at us in this narrow passage.
10/10 woud fight again. Were they dominixes with drones assigned to one person who did all the work from a seboed up ship |
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Anharat
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
70
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:46:00 -
[71] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:Arn Dog wrote:Anharat wrote:When my source told me that the event players would be lead into our hands i did not want to believe him at first but after our spy network confirmed what was going on we prepared 500 goats and set them up at sniping spots and on the gate to welcome our highsec-dwelling friends. I giggled manically when wave after wave after wave came at us in this narrow passage.
10/10 woud fight again. CSM member by any chance? You're assuming an awful lot of malice where stupidity will do just fine. I normally base my statements off of past knowledge of actions and we all know this has happened before.
I am sure we can talk about a "fee" so i reveal my source to you. Just convo me ingame and we can "discuss" this.
Alavaria Fera wrote: Were they dominixes with drones assigned to one person who did all the work from a seboed up ship
We were furious that you arcadians stole all those early kills from us. |
Amber Kurvora
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
64
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:47:00 -
[72] - Quote
On a non-flippant note. The carebears who will cry have no right to cry. Everyone could have turned back at any point they wished. Did they really expect it to be safe and sound once they passed the yellow gates into orange danger? What about when they crossed over from orange to the red dots of death? CCP were never going to hold our hands and protect us. Yes, I feel it's a shame that we don't occasionally get events where we can play a positive role without risking our arse, but at the same time if you cross those lines, you can't expect CCP to bend the rules. |
Alar Tangor
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
1
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:47:00 -
[73] - Quote
Tavi Baldocchi wrote:you do realize they changed the destination 10 minutes before the event started right? But the new destination had the gate camps all ready
Lets just put it like this: Getting a gatecamp in your staging system ready is not all that hard. Do a jabber ping saying "Guys, lots of shiny carebear KMs with billions in loot to be had right infront of our station" and you literally have 150 people ready within 2 minutes with 8 minutes to spare for everyone to get on the gate and wait for the shiny loot pinata to arrive.
Granted, sending your event fleet a) into an active powerblock warzone through a major thoroughfare which b) is the staging system of one of the major powerblocks involved in that war is a bit dumb by the CCP event team, but there were no tip-offs or similar involved really.
Basically we got lucky CCP ****** up by sending you guys right onto our front porch. |
dexington
Dexington Corporation
840
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:50:00 -
[74] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote: ... this set up is utterly unacceptable! ...
You got a warning when you jumped the low-sec gate, telling you that you was entering a "dangerous" area, and you jumped.
YOU ARE THE ONE TO BLAME! |
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope Gallente Federation
278
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:50:00 -
[75] - Quote
Alar Tangor wrote:Tavi Baldocchi wrote:you do realize they changed the destination 10 minutes before the event started right? But the new destination had the gate camps all ready Lets just put it like this: Getting a gatecamp in your staging system ready is not all that hard. Do a jabber ping saying "Guys, lots of shiny carebear KMs with billions in loot to be had right infront of our station" and you literally have 150 people ready within 2 minutes with 8 minutes to spare for everyone to get on the gate and wait for the shiny loot pinata to arrive. Granted, sending your event fleet a) into an active powerblock warzone through a major thoroughfare which b) is the staging system of one of the major powerblocks involved in that war is a bit dumb by the CCP event team, but there were no tip-offs or similar involved really. Basically we got lucky CCP ****** up by sending you guys right onto our front porch.
And i was gonna go in a navy issuer mega... glad i decided to take a nap |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3556
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:51:00 -
[76] - Quote
Ackbar in yet? |
Arn Dog
24
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:52:00 -
[77] - Quote
Alar Tangor wrote:Tavi Baldocchi wrote:you do realize they changed the destination 10 minutes before the event started right? But the new destination had the gate camps all ready Lets just put it like this: Getting a gatecamp in your staging system ready is not all that hard. Do a jabber ping saying "Guys, lots of shiny carebear KMs with billions in loot to be had right infront of our station" and you literally have 150 people ready within 2 minutes with 8 minutes to spare for everyone to get on the gate and wait for the shiny loot pinata to arrive. Granted, sending your event fleet a) into an active powerblock warzone through a major thoroughfare which b) is the staging system of one of the major powerblocks involved in that war is a bit dumb by the CCP event team, but there were no tip-offs or similar involved really. Basically we got lucky CCP ****** up by sending you guys right onto our front porch.
CCP F'd up or intentionally sent the fleets their? Their are 1000's of other systems they could have picked, Even a island for example. |
Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1137
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:52:00 -
[78] - Quote
Quote:The pilots of EVE have grown bold, defying the Empires that once created them. Is it dissent? Subversion? Or is it the beginning of a new age, where the immortal elite of a universe take their first steps toward truly claiming the heavens as their own? Its almost like the theme for the upcoming expansion states that capusleers are giving the middle finger to the main space empires. Not forshadowing what was going to happen at all here people.
AT ALL.
:tinfoil: |
TEX AVERYY
ZERO T0LERANCE RAZOR Alliance
1
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:52:00 -
[79] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUeeIjyI7QQ
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RAW23
459
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:54:00 -
[80] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Arn Dog wrote:cyndrogen wrote:Rekkr Nordgard wrote:Taking a live events fleet through the second most famous null entrance system for being constantly camped in the game (just behind HED-GP) into a region that is currently being used as a base for PL, Goons, and Razor not to mention all the nasty locals because :CCP:. LOL
I was reading about the event on the forums from work, because CCP never schedules them in US tz or on the weekends, and then I got to "then we jumped into Doril..." and nearly burst out laughing. Do any of the live events staff actually play Eve? Oh I think they knew exactly what they were doing. This is how you deal with Incursion inflation. When you farm incursions 24/7 it inflates the economy. fastest way to get the inflation down is to destroy ships. Mission accomplished. Exactly, This was a excellently executed operation by CCP to get billions of isk out of circulation prior to the expansion. Problem is they have F'd over half of H.S to do it and those i high sec know it! I hate to think how many subs they will lose. Exactly 0 isk was removed from the economy by this you colossal dumbshits.
Worse than that, isk was actually injected into the economy through insurance payouts |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3556
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:55:00 -
[81] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:Its almost as though organisations based in 0.0 have organisational skills that allow them to react to circumstances quicker than a disorganised gaggle of un-coordinated highseccers
Yeah what a shame you people can't organize out the drama maybe the rest of the player base would join you. |
Bounty Setter
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:55:00 -
[82] - Quote
The role playing CCP character did warn everyone in local about the camps and advised not to go through if you were worried about them.
I was in a fleet of around 150 and the vast majority of us made it past the camps. |
Amber Kurvora
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
65
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:55:00 -
[83] - Quote
TEX AVERYY wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUeeIjyI7QQ
Marry my character? Anyone who can fit Beaker into a thread and makes it work, deserves her hand in marriage.
No, she won't put out. That'd be weird. Very, very weird.
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Alar Tangor
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
2
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:56:00 -
[84] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote: CCP F'd up or intentionally sent the fleets their? Their are 1000's of other systems they could have picked, Even a island for example.
That i do not know, we're quite as baffled as you guys really. If they intentionally did it its pretty ****** up, if they just ****** up it kind of speaks of incompetence really, since that means the event team did not even bother informing themselves where the big powerblocks are currently fighting and where their stagings are. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1074
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:57:00 -
[85] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:Arn Dog wrote:Anharat wrote:When my source told me that the event players would be lead into our hands i did not want to believe him at first but after our spy network confirmed what was going on we prepared 500 goats and set them up at sniping spots and on the gate to welcome our highsec-dwelling friends. I giggled manically when wave after wave after wave came at us in this narrow passage.
10/10 woud fight again. CSM member by any chance? You're assuming an awful lot of malice where stupidity will do just fine. I normally base my statements off of past knowledge of actions and we all know this has happened before.
PL has a CSM rep and a staging system right next door, yet you got fed to RAZOR? You dumb, son.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5104
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 21:59:00 -
[86] - Quote
Lykouleon wrote:Quote:The pilots of EVE have grown bold, defying the Empires that once created them. Is it dissent? Subversion? Or is it the beginning of a new age, where the immortal elite of a universe take their first steps toward truly claiming the heavens as their own? Its almost like the theme for the upcoming expansion states that capusleers are giving the middle finger to the main space empires. Not forshadowing what was going to happen at all here people. AT ALL. :tinfoil: CONCORD will be called in to enforce martial law on nullsec and lowsec |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
203
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:59:00 -
[87] - Quote
Frangus wrote:Arn Dog wrote:Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly of it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour get get their ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR ? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself. We are deployed to Doril so took like 3 min to set up the gate camp when we knew they where going through there.
We went into syndicate from the placid region. Didn't see any gate camps. Saw some TiDi. We shot some people in null then went back home in lowsec.
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Psyentific
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
3
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:59:00 -
[88] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:I think this was a CCP Troll
Look at it this way.
They take H.S Corps into the corner of the power base of major alliances. Get us all killed intentionally to start a large battle between the power blocks as they are all waiting to try and kill us. Perfect way to lower PLEX costs and get isk out of circulation.
Cry me a river. There was no conspiracy, And admit it you were there to get the loot. We didnt tell you to come into our yard to play ,you did that on your own. For a big fight this was alota fun i was logiing and keeping my people alive so it wasnt any free lunch on my or razors part. |
KaRa DaVuT
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
4
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:06:00 -
[89] - Quote
Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:So I guess instead of complaining and raging, its more like Thank You Razor, Thank You Goons and Pandemic Legion - and Thank You fellow High Sec'ers to give us the reason for the upcoming expansions features. Without you we would have an expansion without lore to back it up, Thank you ... Thank You ... *bowing my way out* My pleasure Whenever you want just come to doril. Razor is always up to support Eve Lore with gunpowder diplomacy
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jaon43
UK Corp RAZOR Alliance
1
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:07:00 -
[90] - Quote
gf |
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2578
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:09:00 -
[91] - Quote
I especially like the bit where the event collapsed into disarray and failure, and then CCP handwaved a 'oh the target self destructed anyway just because REASONS' because the people running them are utterly incompetent and have to railroad their Live Events into a pre-determined outcome regardless of what actually happens in game. |
Arn Dog
24
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:09:00 -
[92] - Quote
LOL if only it was a "fight" i only got one of your guys before getting nuked |
Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
35
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:11:00 -
[93] - Quote
Thx for the invite.
Last time I raged was at my first ship loss ... now, not so much, but I would have like to get as far as see 'your' space at least ;)
Who knows, maybe another day
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Arn Dog
24
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:12:00 -
[94] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:I especially like the bit where the event collapsed into disarray and failure, and then CCP handwaved a 'oh the target self destructed anyway just because REASONS' because the people running them are utterly incompetent and have to railroad their Live Events into a pre-determined outcome regardless of what actually happens in game.
See its sounding more like incompetence also played a massive part. Thing is this is a PVE event where they threw PVP into the mix. But hardly anyone got to see the PVE event and have no idea what the launch event was meant to be lol |
KaRa DaVuT
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
5
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:14:00 -
[95] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:I especially like the bit where the event collapsed into disarray and failure, and then CCP handwaved a 'oh the target self destructed anyway just because REASONS' because the people running them are utterly incompetent and have to railroad their Live Events into a pre-determined outcome regardless of what actually happens in game.
:CCP:
Oh man.. It really made my day.. And I wa afraid that I could miss the evet.. TY CCP for free kills and content.
Bringing hisec noobs to biggest sovwar zone... I really wonder the event guys even playing the same game with us..
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Amber Kurvora
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
65
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:15:00 -
[96] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:I especially like the bit where the event collapsed into disarray and failure, and then CCP handwaved a 'oh the target self destructed anyway just because REASONS' because the people running them are utterly incompetent and have to railroad their Live Events into a pre-determined outcome regardless of what actually happens in game.
See, I kind of view that as a cop out. CCP should have made it that failure cost something - lore wise or in game mechanics. Having it self destruct robs both sides of any real meaning. Sure the pirates/null seccers were more about the pew-pew, but having something to show for it would have made their smugness even greater. If the carebears had pushed on and destroyed the facility, they would have had a sense of accomplishment which no one could have taken away from them. Imagine if the carebears did have that sense of accomplishment. Imagine them feeling like they could go into low, null and not only survive, but come out feeling great about what they did. |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22226
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:15:00 -
[97] - Quote
Just heard about that and have to say: Well played CCP... I'm deffinatly out now as soon as my sub runs out.
I started EVE 8 years ago to play a scifie game, not social experiment... CCP can keep it's little sociopath club. |
Shawnm339
UK Corp RAZOR Alliance
90
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 22:15:00 -
[98] - Quote
I came I saw I blew stuff up...I giggled uncontrollably for an hour...I lost a zealot...I still kept giggling
Please CCP herd more folks to one of the most active systems in Eve like lemmings off a cliff....fun was had |
Arn Dog
24
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:16:00 -
[99] - Quote
KaRa DaVuT wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:I especially like the bit where the event collapsed into disarray and failure, and then CCP handwaved a 'oh the target self destructed anyway just because REASONS' because the people running them are utterly incompetent and have to railroad their Live Events into a pre-determined outcome regardless of what actually happens in game. :CCP: Oh man.. It really made my day.. And I wa afraid that I could miss the evet.. TY CCP for free kills and content. Bringing hisec noobs to biggest sovwar zone... I really wonder the event guys even playing the same game with us..
This is why people think they intentionally did this. I honestly cant believe that CCP don't have a clue what is going on in LS. Even the humble part time noob can watch Eve News and see the massive battles and locations. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Desperado-Enforcement LLC
10
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 22:18:00 -
[100] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Exactly 0 isk was removed from the economy by this you colossal dumbshits.
While I disapprove of the sentiment, this is correct. No isk was lost in the making of this fiasco. Ships were lost so ship prices will rise (if this was any significant number, which I doubt it was), but the only isk removed from the economy was clone replacements, whic is not a very significant amount.
Also, to everyone who is annoyed by this, what did you expect to happen? Staging information was available, and this is ccp we're talking about. They like stuff going boom. |
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CorryBasler
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
46
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:20:00 -
[101] - Quote
ArmageddonX wrote:The event was "The Empires Needs Your Help!" - Well where the heck was the empire? CCP slapped the high sec community in the face.
CCP ran a story based event and on purpose lead the group to null-sec where they KNEW everyone would die. You gave us no warning!
99% of us didn't even have time to activate a single module or defend ourselves whatsoever. This is the worst "event" I have ever attended in a MMO in my entire life. CCP trolled their own player-base. Shameful.
CCP knew exactly what they were doing here. Lambs to the slaughter. I knew I would lose my ship today. I was ready for a fight. I wasn't ready to be lead to the slaughter without even a fight and LEAD into the lions den by CCP.
U mad bro? |
KaRa DaVuT
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
5
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:20:00 -
[102] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:KaRa DaVuT wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:I especially like the bit where the event collapsed into disarray and failure, and then CCP handwaved a 'oh the target self destructed anyway just because REASONS' because the people running them are utterly incompetent and have to railroad their Live Events into a pre-determined outcome regardless of what actually happens in game. :CCP: Oh man.. It really made my day.. And I wa afraid that I could miss the evet.. TY CCP for free kills and content. Bringing hisec noobs to biggest sovwar zone... I really wonder the event guys even playing the same game with us.. This is why people think they intentionally did this. I honestly cant believe that CCP don't have a clue what is going on in LS. Even the humble part time noob can watch Eve News and see the massive battles and locations.
Honestly there was no info on rzr side by ccp or anyone until our spy network informed us.
Well dont search big conspiracy behid this as its just the same CCP as always.. Its 10 years but still they dont have a single clue about this game and playerbase. No more
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
296
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:21:00 -
[103] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:... I honestly cant believe that CCP don't have a clue what is going on in LS. Even the humble part time noob can watch Eve News and see the massive battles and locations.
...but not be so informed as to be able to avoid conspiracy/screwup/lemming execution?
AHEUHEUEHEUEHEUEHEUEHEUEHEU
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ArmageddonX
Mining My Own Bussiness
3
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:21:00 -
[104] - Quote
I've never seen a game development company utterly mess up something like this. It's either malevolent or complete incompetence.
It was a story-based PvE event changed to PvP last minute (so people brought PvE ships), then the location changed last minute, then the entire group let straight into the lions den. Even the Twitch streamers were questioning the legitimacy of this encounter.
We were told by the event leaders (yellow text) to go into Doril. It was all a setup from the very beginning. The actual event leaders said "Ok now JUMP!" (into Doril) and tell people in the event to go through the gate KNOWING they will all die on the other side b/c TiDi was so horrible.
This wasnt an event. This was shameful. We certainly cannot trust these events ever again. Terrible way to launch an expansion. |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
296
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:26:00 -
[105] - Quote
ArmageddonX wrote:... This was an event. This was shameful. We certainly should never have trusted these events. Awesome way to launch an expansion.
This is like when a relative dresses up as Santa Claus and sets fire to the curtains, sure it looked like a mistake but you can smell the beer on him and he's laughing so hard he coughed up a cigarette butt. Also: AHEUEHEUEHEUEHEUEHEU
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Sir Spottington
Merchants Trade Consortium The Last Chancers.
42
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:27:00 -
[106] - Quote
CCP did say that everyone would likely die..... quit bitching its eve, HTFU or go home |
Renegade Heart
The MIneral Munchers
20
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:29:00 -
[107] - Quote
ArmageddonX wrote:We were told by the event leaders (yellow text) to go into Doril. It was all a setup from the very beginning. The actual event leaders said "Ok now JUMP!" (into Doril) and tell people in the event to go through the gate KNOWING they will all die on the other side b/c TiDi was so horrible.
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William Westmere
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
19
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:29:00 -
[108] - Quote
ArmageddonX wrote:I've never seen a game development company utterly mess up something like this. It's either malevolent or complete incompetence.
It was a story-based PvE event changed to PvP last minute (so people brought PvE ships), then the location changed last minute, then the entire group let straight into the lions den. Even the Twitch streamers were questioning the legitimacy of this encounter.
We were told by the event leaders (yellow text) to go into Doril. It was all a setup from the very beginning. The actual event leaders said "Ok now JUMP!" (into Doril) and tell people in the event to go through the gate KNOWING they will all die on the other side b/c TiDi was so horrible.
This wasnt an event. This was shameful. We certainly cannot trust these events ever again. Terrible way to launch an expansion. Oh no CCP killed muh super pimped mission ship they were out to get me setup setup!! :tinfoil:
It's almost as if you stupid publords don't know that you shouldn't undock anything you can't afford to lose, if you had all been a little less awful maybe you wouldn't have been slaughtered by razor of all people. |
Arn Dog
24
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:34:00 -
[109] - Quote
Sir Spottington wrote:CCP did say that everyone would likely die..... quit bitching its eve, HTFU or go home
Losing ships is not the issues here guys. Its the handling of the event. The dev on our side told us to jump in and the went silent. The Dev's at the event sites spilled some crap about the ship blowing up then left. The other fleet the devs dc'd on route leaving half our fleet there with no info on where to go. You add this to the other event and the way it was included makes me question any trust i previously had in the Dev's.
RAZOR are good. No one is blaming any lowsec corp for this and if someone came in my zone like this i would have done the same. But being forced to drilling 10 at a time because our fleets of over 3000 players have been intentionally split up causes this to happen. We all wanted to have a good fight if/when we came up against enough.
What would have happened if you guys were jumping into H.S with 10% TD and we were all sat on the other side waiting while you stream out in 1's and 2's? Would you call that a good fight? |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
633
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:34:00 -
[110] - Quote
INB4 statement from CCP apologizing for the mix up, saying they are putting live events on hold while they come up with a sound strategy for them (that they promise to run passed the CSM) , then shut up about tthe issue and say nothing for the next several months (ref ToSgate, somer blink promo, somer blink scorps, somer blink RMT) . |
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
537
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:36:00 -
[111] - Quote
So.....you go into null sec with a disorganized group of hiseccers, most of whom have never been in a real fight.
You got demolished by an organized fleet with a decent comp.
Working as intended, learn to play the game. |
Johnson Johnson
UK Corp RAZOR Alliance
66
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:41:00 -
[112] - Quote
OFFICIAL RAZOR ALLIANCE RESPONSE TO THESE SHOCKING REVELATIONS:
gf. |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1594
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:43:00 -
[113] - Quote
When i logged in i heard about the event.I had 30 minutes left to get there.Most of my alliance and friends i know in other nullsec entities didnt even give a damn to go there.
I clonejumped 18 jumps out of the nullsec form up , bought me a ship and flew there dodging 2 neut gatecamps in null and one in low-sec.When i got there i had to reship ... then reship again and decided to dive in solo. I got killed after the 2nd jump or so so bought myself a new ship , fitted it and joined a goon fleet of about 40ish guys.Went into system , kille stuff and got killed , jumped system and bought myself a new ship.Got back into the fightin area ..lost anothher ship and jumped to the next system again to reship ... jumped into the fight again to loose another ship and reshipped again to join the fight.
In short i was notified at a late time of the event and had to reship 4 times , using a market available to everyone to do so and so i did.Most high-sec players got shot down , warped from gate to gate to get home and got shot.
Now you can blaim this on CCP or RAZOR or anyone you like.Or you could blaim it on the fact that the way you are ''used to playing the game'' means you are used to not having to adapt and/or change strategy most of the times.That is our key difference in my opinion. |
Ezekiel Ironstone
FISE Squad
0
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:47:00 -
[114] - Quote
I had my suspicions about CCP's plan when they announced the gathering for people who wanted to play on the pirate side of things.
Once the destination was set to null by the FC's it was pretty obvious what was going to happen.
They'd have been more successful if they'd chosen a system a lot closer to Ihal for the initial gathering. Sarum Prim was so many jumps that probably half the original number never even made it out of high-sec before it was common knowledge what was going on.
This was my first experience with TiDi, and it was quite interesting learning what is and isn't affected by it.
I also learned to never go into low/null without a scram/disruptor fit. The one engagement I got into I lost because I couldn't keep the guy from warping out.
Overall it was a nice event, but it does seem like it was a big "**** you" from CCP to high-sec, that's for sure.
At the very least it could have been more organized. The execution of the prank was really poorly done. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3560
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:47:00 -
[115] - Quote
A lot of people are missing CCP Soundwave today.
This is not a jab at CCP Falcon though. CCP simply tried something different today, and it didn't work out.
Now people, they mad. |
Arn Dog
27
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:49:00 -
[116] - Quote
flakeys wrote:When i logged in i heard about the event.I had 30 minutes left to get there.Most of my alliance and friends i know in other nullsec entities didnt even give a damn to go there.
I clonejumped 18 jumps out of the nullsec form up , bought me a ship and flew there dodging 2 neut gatecamps in null and one in low-sec.When i got there i had to reship ... then reship again and decided to dive in solo. I got killed after the 2nd jump or so so bought myself a new ship , fitted it and joined a goon fleet of about 40ish guys.Went into system , kille stuff and got killed , jumped system and bought myself a new ship.Got back into the fightin area ..lost anothher ship and jumped to the next system again to reship ... jumped into the fight again to loose another ship and reshipped again to join the fight.
In short i was notified at a late time of the event and had to reship 4 times , using a market available to everyone to do so and so i did.Most high-sec players got shot down , warped from gate to gate to get home and got shot.
Now you can claim this on CCP or RAZOR or anyone you like.Or you could blame it on the fact that the way you are ''used to playing the game'' means you are used to not having to adapt and/or change strategy most of the times.That is our key difference in my opinion.
Your talking about a PVP event. I know how to PVP :) i have no issues with it. This was pitched as a PVE event which was supposed to have multi empire support. What it turned into is the Dev's telling a large H.S Fleet to essentially split up and head into L.S. Once told to jump then disappeared! The State support wasn't even a shuttle lol
With any MMO if you join a Dev lead player event with no info of whats going on you follow them not wanting to miss out. Especially on a launch coming up to a expansion. This was just a mess. If the aim was to get people to see and experience the new content then the event failed. Most people didn't get their.
If this was a PVP event i still would have been their but half the fleet would not have. This turned into a turkey shoot. I was one of the last standing with the first fleet jump but cant do anything 1 vs 200 lol |
niceandblue
Repercussus
19
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:51:00 -
[117] - Quote
GF |
Shaddock Katal
Mining My Own Bussiness
0
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:51:00 -
[118] - Quote
This event went sour from the start. The HS faction was told that the objectives were secret and that we had to follow empire (CCP)directions to find the objective. We were then from the start placed in two rally points, then all send to a separate rally point, and then moved again.
The problem with this was most / all the nodes along the went wen to time dilation which got worse as the fleet moved, meaning the first fleets that moved went many times faster than the next fleets that moved. This problem was exacerbated by the fact the directions to players came over twitter and not in game, causing further split of the HS forces.
As the multiple HS fleets approached the second staging areas the fleets that were still 10-20 jumps away attempted to tell the closer FCs to hold place. The fleets initially moved 1 jump towards the final objective then held. However a CCP dev then intervened in game told everyone to jump because there was only a small force on the other side.
The HS fleets that were present were then in a position of listening to their FCs or listening to a CCP Dev on what to do. Unlike the NS/LS groups the HS fleets didnt know our FC's from anyone else and figured the Dev was telling us to jump as part of the event. This lead to the initial massacre.
The second set of fleets which I was in then started hearing reports of ENTIRE FLEETS of HS members dying with little to no kills inflicted causing mass confusion in the ranks, desertions of fleet (including my FC), and an eventual decision to hold in place until more direction or plans could be conceived.
This problem started with poor communication from CCP event leaders, and a strangely timed intervention by a CCP dev ordering HS fleets into a battle as if they were our FCs. That combined with what was mentioned previously in this thread of the NS location to attack led to this debacle.
I am sure a well organized NS fleet would have still beat the disorganized HS fleet in a battle, but this wasnt a battle we were told about, this was an ambush that CCP lead us into. |
Strinyth heart
Magnus Opus Xodus
0
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:55:00 -
[119] - Quote
I enjoyed the event, and I hope CCP makes more of these in the future.
However i do wish that next time, the "FC" broadcast targets when we find a gatecamp rather than just asking people to burn away from the bubbles and warp out. People that went that far in that heavy tidi were hoping to be able to do a fleet fight, not all that organized with no comms but still a fleet fight, it had everthing to be a fun fight but the CCP FCs literally did nothing outside of telling people where to go and qutting when everyone died, i guess next time i better form up with the pirates apparently they had a lot of fun. |
Cat Casidy
Origin. Black Legion.
162
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:57:00 -
[120] - Quote
Tavi Baldocchi wrote:you do realize they changed the destination 10 minutes before the event started right? But the new destination had the gate camps all ready Probly been pointed out already but the new destination was our home system with razor's one jump away and we all actually had much better things to be doing than trying to wage a war with our staging sys in 10% tidi. -edit, and yeah no idea why they felt the need to bring you guys a) to the middle of the warzone where we're having 1-2-3 thousand person fights daily, and b) not reinforce any of the nodes. |
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Alice Saki
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
97385
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:58:00 -
[121] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly of it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour get get their ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR ? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself.
Idiot... |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1594
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:58:00 -
[122] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:flakeys wrote:When i logged in i heard about the event.I had 30 minutes left to get there.Most of my alliance and friends i know in other nullsec entities didnt even give a damn to go there.
I clonejumped 18 jumps out of the nullsec form up , bought me a ship and flew there dodging 2 neut gatecamps in null and one in low-sec.When i got there i had to reship ... then reship again and decided to dive in solo. I got killed after the 2nd jump or so so bought myself a new ship , fitted it and joined a goon fleet of about 40ish guys.Went into system , kille stuff and got killed , jumped system and bought myself a new ship.Got back into the fightin area ..lost anothher ship and jumped to the next system again to reship ... jumped into the fight again to loose another ship and reshipped again to join the fight.
In short i was notified at a late time of the event and had to reship 4 times , using a market available to everyone to do so and so i did.Most high-sec players got shot down , warped from gate to gate to get home and got shot.
Now you can claim this on CCP or RAZOR or anyone you like.Or you could blame it on the fact that the way you are ''used to playing the game'' means you are used to not having to adapt and/or change strategy most of the times.That is our key difference in my opinion. Your talking about a PVP event. I know how to PVP :) i have no issues with it. This was pitched as a PVE event which was supposed to have multi empire support. What it turned into is the Dev's telling a large H.S Fleet to essentially split up and head into L.S. Once told to jump then disappeared! The State support wasn't even a shuttle lol With any MMO if you join a Dev lead player event with no info of whats going on you follow them not wanting to miss out. Especially on a launch coming up to a expansion. This was just a mess. If the aim was to get people to see and experience the new content then the event failed. Most people didn't get their. If this was a PVP event i still would have been their but half the fleet would not have. This turned into a turkey shoot. I was one of the last standing with the first fleet jump but cant do anything 1 vs 200 lol
This was not pitched as a pve event.
Once formed up the destination was to a highsec sys boundering a low-sec system. After that the destination was through low-sec to a null-sec system. The next destination was null-sec.
There was an invitation to help the ''pirates'' by forming in null-sec syndicate .
There was enough time to get that brain working ....
This is eve , you are expected to use that thing in your head .. not follow someone blindly. |
Arn Dog
27
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:00:00 -
[123] - Quote
Alice Saki wrote:Arn Dog wrote:Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly of it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour get get their ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR ? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself. Idiot...
You bring so much to the conversation , Thanks for your input :) |
ArmageddonX
6
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:02:00 -
[124] - Quote
Shaddock Katal wrote:This event went sour from the start. The HS faction was told that the objectives were secret and that we had to follow empire (CCP)directions to find the objective. We were then from the start placed in two rally points, then all send to a separate rally point, and then moved again.
The problem with this was most / all the nodes along the went wen to time dilation which got worse as the fleet moved, meaning the first fleets that moved went many times faster than the next fleets that moved. This problem was exacerbated by the fact the directions to players came over twitter and not in game, causing further split of the HS forces.
As the multiple HS fleets approached the second staging areas the fleets that were still 10-20 jumps away attempted to tell the closer FCs to hold place. The fleets initially moved 1 jump towards the final objective then held. However a CCP dev then intervened in game told everyone to jump because there was only a small force on the other side.
The HS fleets that were present were then in a position of listening to their FCs or listening to a CCP Dev on what to do. Unlike the NS/LS groups the HS fleets didnt know our FC's from anyone else and figured the Dev was telling us to jump as part of the event. This lead to the initial massacre.
The second set of fleets which I was in then started hearing reports of ENTIRE FLEETS of HS members dying with little to no kills inflicted causing mass confusion in the ranks, desertions of fleet (including my FC), and an eventual decision to hold in place until more direction or plans could be conceived.
This problem started with poor communication from CCP event leaders, and a strangely timed intervention by a CCP dev ordering HS fleets into a battle as if they were our FCs. That combined with what was mentioned previously in this thread of the NS location to attack led to this debacle.
I am sure a well organized NS fleet would have still beat the disorganized HS fleet in a battle, but this wasnt a battle we were told about, this was an ambush that CCP lead us into. Give this post a 2nd look. This post pretty much sums up exactly what happen today and why it's such baloney. |
Shaddock Katal
Mining My Own Bussiness
3
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:03:00 -
[125] - Quote
flakeys wrote:Arn Dog wrote:flakeys wrote:When i logged in i heard about the event.I had 30 minutes left to get there.Most of my alliance and friends i know in other nullsec entities didnt even give a damn to go there.
I clonejumped 18 jumps out of the nullsec form up , bought me a ship and flew there dodging 2 neut gatecamps in null and one in low-sec.When i got there i had to reship ... then reship again and decided to dive in solo. I got killed after the 2nd jump or so so bought myself a new ship , fitted it and joined a goon fleet of about 40ish guys.Went into system , kille stuff and got killed , jumped system and bought myself a new ship.Got back into the fightin area ..lost anothher ship and jumped to the next system again to reship ... jumped into the fight again to loose another ship and reshipped again to join the fight.
In short i was notified at a late time of the event and had to reship 4 times , using a market available to everyone to do so and so i did.Most high-sec players got shot down , warped from gate to gate to get home and got shot.
Now you can claim this on CCP or RAZOR or anyone you like.Or you could blame it on the fact that the way you are ''used to playing the game'' means you are used to not having to adapt and/or change strategy most of the times.That is our key difference in my opinion. Your talking about a PVP event. I know how to PVP :) i have no issues with it. This was pitched as a PVE event which was supposed to have multi empire support. What it turned into is the Dev's telling a large H.S Fleet to essentially split up and head into L.S. Once told to jump then disappeared! The State support wasn't even a shuttle lol With any MMO if you join a Dev lead player event with no info of whats going on you follow them not wanting to miss out. Especially on a launch coming up to a expansion. This was just a mess. If the aim was to get people to see and experience the new content then the event failed. Most people didn't get their. If this was a PVP event i still would have been their but half the fleet would not have. This turned into a turkey shoot. I was one of the last standing with the first fleet jump but cant do anything 1 vs 200 lol This was not pitched as a pve event. Once formed up the destination was to a highsec sys boundering a low-sec system. After that the destination was through low-sec to a null-sec system. The next destination was null-sec. There was an invitation to help the ''pirates'' by forming in null-sec syndicate . There was enough time to get that brain working .... This is eve , you are expected to use that thing in your head .. not follow someone blindly.
This was pitched as a PVE event, we were told we were helping PVE Empires fight PVE pirates, it wasnt until an hour before the event we were told differently.
Also we DID have to follow CCP blindly because the objective was "secret" and it wasnt until 2 hours in TIDI hell that we knew it was moving to LS/NS.
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JamDunc
Team JK
76
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:03:00 -
[126] - Quote
I really didn't mind the getting killed. I have been other the other end enough times and it was fun to see the fight from the other angle.
The only thing I want to complain about is why the **** did you get us to form up 25 jumps away and then get us to warp all that way through TiDi to get slaughtered? Wouldn't it have been easier to get us to form up close by? |
Arn Dog
29
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:06:00 -
[127] - Quote
JamDunc wrote:I really didn't mind the getting killed. I have been other the other end enough times and it was fun to see the fight from the other angle.
The only thing I want to complain about is why the **** did you get us to form up 25 jumps away and then get us to warp all that way through TiDi to get slaughtered? Wouldn't it have been easier to get us to form up close by?
They switched the route apparently. We were sat next to LS where be rallied to start. |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1595
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:08:00 -
[128] - Quote
Shaddock Katal wrote:flakeys wrote:Arn Dog wrote:flakeys wrote:When i logged in i heard about the event.I had 30 minutes left to get there.Most of my alliance and friends i know in other nullsec entities didnt even give a damn to go there.
I clonejumped 18 jumps out of the nullsec form up , bought me a ship and flew there dodging 2 neut gatecamps in null and one in low-sec.When i got there i had to reship ... then reship again and decided to dive in solo. I got killed after the 2nd jump or so so bought myself a new ship , fitted it and joined a goon fleet of about 40ish guys.Went into system , kille stuff and got killed , jumped system and bought myself a new ship.Got back into the fightin area ..lost anothher ship and jumped to the next system again to reship ... jumped into the fight again to loose another ship and reshipped again to join the fight.
In short i was notified at a late time of the event and had to reship 4 times , using a market available to everyone to do so and so i did.Most high-sec players got shot down , warped from gate to gate to get home and got shot.
Now you can claim this on CCP or RAZOR or anyone you like.Or you could blame it on the fact that the way you are ''used to playing the game'' means you are used to not having to adapt and/or change strategy most of the times.That is our key difference in my opinion. Your talking about a PVP event. I know how to PVP :) i have no issues with it. This was pitched as a PVE event which was supposed to have multi empire support. What it turned into is the Dev's telling a large H.S Fleet to essentially split up and head into L.S. Once told to jump then disappeared! The State support wasn't even a shuttle lol With any MMO if you join a Dev lead player event with no info of whats going on you follow them not wanting to miss out. Especially on a launch coming up to a expansion. This was just a mess. If the aim was to get people to see and experience the new content then the event failed. Most people didn't get their. If this was a PVP event i still would have been their but half the fleet would not have. This turned into a turkey shoot. I was one of the last standing with the first fleet jump but cant do anything 1 vs 200 lol This was not pitched as a pve event. Once formed up the destination was to a highsec sys boundering a low-sec system. After that the destination was through low-sec to a null-sec system. The next destination was null-sec. There was an invitation to help the ''pirates'' by forming in null-sec syndicate . There was enough time to get that brain working .... This is eve , you are expected to use that thing in your head .. not follow someone blindly. This was pitched as a PVE event, we were told we were helping PVE Empires fight PVE pirates, it wasnt until an hour before the event we were told differently.
Also we DID have to follow CCP blindly because the objective was "secret" and it wasnt until 2 hours in TIDI hell that we knew it was moving to LS/NS.
So it took more then an hour for you to decide to go along witht he fleet or not? And no you did not have to follow CCP blindly.I don't even follow my own FC's blindly unless i know how they work.It's your cash/plex that pays your gametime not CCP ... really my god .. |
Tiberu Stundrif
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
94
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:10:00 -
[129] - Quote
I was there; shooting your guys.
Good fights all around! |
Faenir Antollare
University of Caille Gallente Federation
147
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:12:00 -
[130] - Quote
Fc Ccp Team Lemmings ftw !
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1119
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:14:00 -
[131] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:Lets be frank. The opinion of everyone i flew with is CCP tipped off them on the event location and this was a set up. They were already sat on the gate!
I am not saying that RAZOR are not good at what they do and we were all expecting PVP. Not a dev telling us their is some ships on the other side and to jump. Only to find 500 ships all taking every ship out as the come out of jump.
This has simply meant that half the game player base has missed out on the event. Not only this but they have alienated a **** ton of people!
no |
JamDunc
Team JK
77
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:16:00 -
[132] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:JamDunc wrote:I really didn't mind the getting killed. I have been other the other end enough times and it was fun to see the fight from the other angle.
The only thing I want to complain about is why the **** did you get us to form up 25 jumps away and then get us to warp all that way through TiDi to get slaughtered? Wouldn't it have been easier to get us to form up close by? They switched the route apparently. We were sat next to LS where be rallied to start.
Yea, my guess is once again someone behind the scene messed up and they had to do this to try and keep it going. CCP Manifest was in the Twitch channel for awhile until he got laughed out for trying to make out it was an epic fight. I feel a little sorry for the ISD trying to convince people to jump into Doril after the first wave of slaughter, he got ripped to ****.
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
539
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:19:00 -
[133] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:Lets be frank. The opinion of everyone i flew with is CCP tipped off them on the event location and this was a set up. They were already sat on the gate!
So...... somehow you and hundreds of other hiseccers found out about this event, and yet there was no conceivable way (e.g. numerous forum threads, reddit threads, public announcements) any null bloc would find out.
You guys a pretty clever. |
Arn Dog
31
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:28:00 -
[134] - Quote
No matter how this event went CCP set this up and knew that our forces would die. They sat on the gate trying to tell our other fleets to all fall in one fleet at a time for the slaughter. They actually organized the jump ins for the TiDi issues. As i said i have nothing against the LS guys who killed us. Its just the way CCP handled this.
And no the event location was moved 10mins before hand from the previous deployment place. They knew where they were sending the fleets. Hence the 21jumps from deployment locations. Whole thing was an organizational mess. PVP Skill has nothing to do with it. |
Sahriah BloodStone
Takmahl Dynamics
20
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:28:00 -
[135] - Quote
1. Razor have been living in doril for over 2 months with BL and all of null, N3, PL within jump range. 2. The start location for the good guys was Sarum 3. The start location for the bad guys was Utopia
Draw a line from Sarum to utopia and its FAIRLY GODDAMN EASY to anticipate where players will be
Its also fairly easy to guess CCP knew the outcome. Sending unorganized high sec masses into organized pvp trained null masses only has one outcome. |
Hra Neuvosto
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
161
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:30:00 -
[136] - Quote
What was that RZR Naglfar thinking btw? |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3563
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:31:00 -
[137] - Quote
There might have been a few bliss ninnies but once the paths to nullsec were known, nobody was going without notice.
When the first news of a bubble enter the channels, the response was "When is it NOT bubbled?". So nobody was really surprised.
I was willing to take my deadspace Comet into this, and was even thinking "Hey, if the wreck don't get popped by a disco BS someone's going to get some phat loot". I know that I would like to loot a wreck such that my ships would make. We don't get to press "C" on our kills you know.
But then, once the destination was set, after an hour of TiDi to the first spot - that changed several times enroute - and TiDI expected for the 19 jumps, I was simply out of time, docked, and logged. It was simply getting to be a drag and it started to look like the event itself had lost steam. If I had time to get there, I was under the opinion that it would be over or the best of the action would be past.
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
539
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:32:00 -
[138] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:No matter how this event went CCP set this up and knew that our forces would die. They sat on the gate trying to tell our other fleets to all fall in one fleet at a time for the slaughter. They actually organized the jump ins for the TiDi issues. As i said i have nothing against the LS guys who killed us. Its just the way CCP handled this.
And no the event location was moved 10mins before hand from the previous deployment place. They knew where they were sending the fleets. Hence the 21jumps from deployment locations. Whole thing was an organizational mess. PVP Skill has nothing to do with it. You died because you had no scouts, no fc, and no fleet comp. You didn't die because whoever killed you was good. You died because you were bad. What you guys had was the worst case scenario for a fleet. |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
224
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:33:00 -
[139] - Quote
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1086
|
Posted - 2013.11.07 23:39:00 -
[140] - Quote
Okay, in fairness, as funny as this is (and it is really, really funny, I mean it is just unbelievably funny), CCP did kind of screw you guys over. I just don't think it was intentional. I think the CCP Director of LARPs or whatever is just that clueless.
You know all those times when nullsec players complain about something dumb that CCP has done to them and you're all like, "Goon tears!" or "Nullbear tears!" or whatever? Yeah. |
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Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
634
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:45:00 -
[141] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Okay, in fairness, as funny as this is (and it is really, really funny, I mean it is just unbelievably funny), CCP did kind of screw you guys over. I just don't think it was intentional. I think the CCP Director of LARPs or whatever is just that clueless.
You know all those times when nullsec players complain about something dumb that CCP has done to them and you're all like, "Goon tears!" or "Nullbear tears!" or whatever? Yeah.
If there is not a CCP Director of LARPs, there definitely should be. We need to bring this to the CSM's attention. |
Arn Dog
32
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:46:00 -
[142] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Okay, in fairness, as funny as this is (and it is really, really funny, I mean it is just unbelievably funny), CCP did kind of screw you guys over. I just don't think it was intentional. I think the CCP Director of LARPs or whatever is just that clueless.
You know all those times when nullsec players complain about something dumb that CCP has done to them and you're all like, "Goon tears!" or "Nullbear tears!" or whatever? Yeah.
You talking to one of the players who doesn't react like that when they screw you nulls over. I am not for one a HS carebear lol I would just rather have a constructive convo on the subject rather than people making one line comments that add nothing but make themselves look foolish. (not pointing at yourself :) )
We need to get more players joining the game to get fresh blood who hopefully with join W.H corps or LS/NULL Corps. All this does is send them running to the hills or cancelling. How many of those hs players who actually thought their might be some form of balance in their first L.S adventure with CCP support will ever come back?
If you kick a puppy and steel its food that puppy isn't going to comeback when its a wolf. Watching CCP sending un-experiences players in to that mess was quite frankly very disturbing. They may as well have had Concord pop them in H.S for as much as they learnt about PVP. |
Faenir Antollare
University of Caille Gallente Federation
147
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:47:00 -
[143] - Quote
We, the chosen few, are the poor souls of the Ghost sites.
was fun though :)
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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
967
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:49:00 -
[144] - Quote
See what really happened was: Capsuleers are getting cocky and the empires are getting sick of it, especially of the High Sec capsuleers who run around in empire space all day.
So they arranged this *event* where they told all these High Sec capsuleers that theyd be fighting an important target and *theyd be right behind them*. When in reality they were just deporting the capsuleers back to Null Sec, space they concider capsuleer space and then left them to die.
And die they did. |
Strinyth heart
Magnus Opus Xodus
0
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:50:00 -
[145] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Okay, in fairness, as funny as this is (and it is really, really funny, I mean it is just unbelievably funny), CCP did kind of screw you guys over. I just don't think it was intentional. I think the CCP Director of LARPs or whatever is just that clueless.
You know all those times when nullsec players complain about something dumb that CCP has done to them and you're all like, "Goon tears!" or "Nullbear tears!" or whatever? Yeah.
Yeah it is kind of funny even from my perspective - died in Doril with everyone - and indeed sending us through RAZOR staging system wasn't a great idea. However it was fun and i hope everyone that was there even the gatecampers shooting at us in 10% tidi had fun as well, enjoy the killmails i guess. |
Serptimis
Balls Deep Inc.
190
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:06:00 -
[146] - Quote
So will these new ghost sites be populated with the corpses of those high seccers? Rubicon: Theres no turning back.... |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1087
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:06:00 -
[147] - Quote
Strinyth heart wrote: Yeah it is kind of funny even from my perspective - died in Doril with everyone - and indeed sending us through RAZOR staging system wasn't a great idea. However it was fun and i hope everyone that was there even the gatecampers shooting at us in 10% tidi had fun as well, enjoy the killmails i guess.
Well, it's kind of amazing because that whole area, not just Doril, is basically a minefield of staging systems and hot drops waiting to happen. In fact, the icing on the cake would have been PL or BL dropping on the whole shebang. You'd have probably been safer if they'd led you straight up into Deklein. Poor Harry Forever would have fallen right out of his chair.
People are arguing about whether this was supposed to be a PvE or PvP event but I do think it's fair to say that most of the participants were expecting more or less a LARP. Maybe players would fight, but there would be some semi-scripted, semi-controlled aspect of it. So either CCP tricked you or they were clueless about it themselves. Neither one looks very good, really. It's like the LARP master, or LARP runner guy, or whatever they're called, thought it would be really cool and "authentic" to lead your LARPing group into a really bad part of town at night, then booked it out of there once the muggings started.
On the other hand, you did learn a bit about null and a bit about CCP! |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3564
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:14:00 -
[148] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Strinyth heart wrote: Yeah it is kind of funny even from my perspective - died in Doril with everyone - and indeed sending us through RAZOR staging system wasn't a great idea. However it was fun and i hope everyone that was there even the gatecampers shooting at us in 10% tidi had fun as well, enjoy the killmails i guess.
Well, it's kind of amazing because that whole area, not just Doril, is basically a minefield of staging systems and hot drops waiting to happen. In fact, the icing on the cake would have been PL or BL dropping on the whole shebang. You'd have probably been safer if they'd led you straight up into Deklein. Poor Harry Forever would have fallen right out of his chair.
I think I speak for those of us who worked with Harry when I say "OMG I can't stop laughing ". |
Yaco Yukutava
UK Corp RAZOR Alliance
4
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:15:00 -
[149] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:Okay, in fairness, as funny as this is (and it is really, really funny, I mean it is just unbelievably funny), CCP did kind of screw you guys over. I just don't think it was intentional. I think the CCP Director of LARPs or whatever is just that clueless.
You know all those times when nullsec players complain about something dumb that CCP has done to them and you're all like, "Goon tears!" or "Nullbear tears!" or whatever? Yeah. You talking to one of the players who doesn't react like that when they screw you nulls over. I am not for one a HS carebear lol I would just rather have a constructive convo on the subject rather than people making one line comments that add nothing but make themselves look foolish. (not pointing at yourself :) ) We need to get more players joining the game to get fresh blood who hopefully with join W.H corps or LS/NULL Corps. All this does is send them running to the hills or cancelling. How many of those hs players who actually thought their might be some form of balance in their first L.S adventure with CCP support will ever come back? If you kick a puppy and steel its food that puppy isn't going to comeback when its a wolf. Watching CCP sending un-experiences players in to that mess was quite frankly very disturbing. They may as well have had Concord pop them in H.S for as much as they learnt about PVP.
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Arn Dog
33
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:16:00 -
[150] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Strinyth heart wrote: Yeah it is kind of funny even from my perspective - died in Doril with everyone - and indeed sending us through RAZOR staging system wasn't a great idea. However it was fun and i hope everyone that was there even the gatecampers shooting at us in 10% tidi had fun as well, enjoy the killmails i guess.
Well, it's kind of amazing because that whole area, not just Doril, is basically a minefield of staging systems and hot drops waiting to happen. In fact, the icing on the cake would have been PL or BL dropping on the whole shebang. You'd have probably been safer if they'd led you straight up into Deklein. Poor Harry Forever would have fallen right out of his chair. People are arguing about whether this was supposed to be a PvE or PvP event but I do think it's fair to say that most of the participants were expecting more or less a LARP. Maybe players would fight, but there would be some semi-scripted, semi-controlled aspect of it. So either CCP tricked you or they were clueless about it themselves. Neither one looks very good, really. It's like the LARP master, or LARP runner guy, or whatever they're called, thought it would be really cool and "authentic" to lead your LARPing group into a really bad part of town at night, then booked it out of there once the muggings started. On the other hand, you did learn a bit about null and a bit about CCP!
Yup, agreed. Ya i think the most we have learnt today is about CCP. Wont be doing anymore of their events after this lol
On that note they have gone deadly silent. |
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
298
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:24:00 -
[151] - Quote
Yaco Yukutava wrote:...If you kick a puppy and steel its food that puppy isn't going to comeback when its a snail.... [/quote]
Well, good. HEU
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Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
135
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:26:00 -
[152] - Quote
Gosh, if only there was a way to see how many ships were being destroyed on the route from High to Low to Null.
I watched you all jump blindly to your deaths. Silly buggers. |
Alice Saki
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
97396
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:30:00 -
[153] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:Alice Saki wrote:Arn Dog wrote:Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly of it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour get get their ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR ? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself. Idiot... You bring so much to the conversation , Thanks for your input :)
Intel is everywhere, We knew where the camps were, We knew how to avoid them, We got into Target system and had a Blast.
The Actual event was rubbish, but the Fighting was Awesome! |
Arn Dog
33
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:30:00 -
[154] - Quote
Lfod Shi wrote:Gosh, if only there was a way to see how many ships were being destroyed on the route from High to Low to Null.
I watched you all jump blindly to your deaths. Silly buggers.
I was the one in the lead fleet getting killed in the first wave so pretty hard to watch myself get killed prior to being killed lol. The instant we knew what was happening we organized the rest of the fleets to pull out. By then due to the Dev's command of the fleet to jump it was too late for 400+ pilots. |
Alkad Mzu
hirr RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:38:00 -
[155] - Quote
Hra Neuvosto wrote:What was that RZR Naglfar thinking btw?
No one lemmings quite like us...
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
542
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:49:00 -
[156] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:By then due to the Dev's command of the fleet to jump it was too late for 400+ pilots. Make sure to remember this betrayal, and remember it well.
Never trust a dev. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1090
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:52:00 -
[157] - Quote
PotatoOverdose wrote:Arn Dog wrote:By then due to the Dev's command of the fleet to jump it was too late for 400+ pilots. Make sure to remember this betrayal, and remember it well. Never trust a dev.
Wise words. |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
135
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:52:00 -
[158] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:Lfod Shi wrote:Gosh, if only there was a way to see how many ships were being destroyed on the route from High to Low to Null.
I watched you all jump blindly to your deaths. Silly buggers. I was the one in the lead fleet getting killed in the first wave so pretty hard to watch myself get killed prior to being killed lol. The instant we knew what was happening we organized the rest of the fleets to pull out. By then due to the Dev's command of the fleet to jump it was too late for 400+ pilots.
Eve survival rule #1: Trust no one. Ever. |
ArmageddonX
7
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:56:00 -
[159] - Quote
Nobody is blaming Razor. In their position I'd have done the same thing. I'm happy for them!
I think the point everyone here is missing is that the CCP Dev who was leading the event instructed everyone to jump in to Doril. More than once he insisted, "Everyone Jump!" and "Jump! Jump!" and kept insisting people go in.
Of course, this being in a unique in-game event where nobody knows what to expect (and in-fact it is stated that our goal is mysterious and unknown) why wouldn't we follow the event leaders instructions? We had already followed him from Ihal to Doril. We were participating in an event he was leading.
The fact that CCP lead everyone to their doom is so outrageous. This was a disaster on a cosmic level in the gaming world. I've never even heard of anything like this happening. |
Serptimis
Balls Deep Inc.
192
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:03:00 -
[160] - Quote
ArmageddonX wrote:Nobody is blaming Razor. In their position I'd have done the same thing. I'm happy for them!
I think the point everyone here is missing is that the CCP Dev who was leading the event instructed everyone to jump in to Doril. More than once he insisted, "Everyone Jump!" and "Jump! Jump!" and kept insisting people go in.
Of course, this being in a unique in-game event where nobody knows what to expect (and in-fact it is stated that our goal is mysterious and unknown) why wouldn't we follow the event leaders instructions? We had already followed him from Ihal to Doril. We were participating in an event he was leading.
The fact that CCP lead everyone to their doom is so outrageous. This was a disaster on a cosmic level in the gaming world. I've never even heard of anything like this happening. Sounds like there is a new player in town: CCP Pied Piper. |
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Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
135
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:07:00 -
[161] - Quote
ArmageddonX wrote: The fact that CCP lead everyone to their doom is so outrageous. This was a disaster on a cosmic level in the gaming world. I've never even heard of anything like this happening.
...and you followed them. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
972
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:08:00 -
[162] - Quote
Lfod Shi wrote:ArmageddonX wrote: The fact that CCP lead everyone to their doom is so outrageous. This was a disaster on a cosmic level in the gaming world. I've never even heard of anything like this happening.
...and you followed them.
I followed CCP once.
Then Guard got me a restraining order. |
Arn Dog
37
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:28:00 -
[163] - Quote
This made me Roar!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=293916&find=unread |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
762
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:39:00 -
[164] - Quote
So CCP tricks people into a blobfest ehhh?
gg wp CCP, keep up the good work! |
epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
114
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:43:00 -
[165] - Quote
Oh I am so looking forward to the next installment of the lore development. Please CCP Don't disappoint.
This will make some people feel so stupid after their brave killers comments. |
Katla Mikla
Shiloh Technologies
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:46:00 -
[166] - Quote
ArmageddonX wrote:Nobody is blaming Razor. In their position I'd have done the same thing. I'm happy for them!
I think the point everyone here is missing is that the CCP Dev who was leading the event instructed everyone to jump in to Doril. More than once he insisted, "Everyone Jump!" and "Jump! Jump!" and kept insisting people go in.
Of course, this being in a unique in-game event where nobody knows what to expect (and in-fact it is stated that our goal is mysterious and unknown) why wouldn't we follow the event leaders instructions? We had already followed him from Ihal to Doril. We were participating in an event he was leading.
The fact that CCP lead everyone to their doom is so outrageous. This was a disaster on a cosmic level in the gaming world. I've never even heard of anything like this happening.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Angel_of_Mercy |
DeDes
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
27
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:01:00 -
[167] - Quote
Just in case this hasn't already been said before. I'm sure it has, but again would be a good idea.
RAZOR has been staging in Doril for the last 2 months. So no, we didn't get intel from ccp devs before the fight and rush there. We were already there. And you guys just showed up in the middle of a war.
Sorry for the destruction and sorrow. Welcome to 0.0. If you enjoyed it we are taking applications. |
Corvald Tyrska
Dha'Vargar
22
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:17:00 -
[168] - Quote
Firstly, every event like this has people ganking. You should have planned to be attacked even if you initially thought it was in high sec.
Second, two and a half hours before the event started, CCP posted the news article calling capsuleers to the pirate side. From that point it was abundantly clear this was a PVP event, not a PVE event.
Many people got through the gate camps fine. Many people planned ahead and either went around them or through them. I flew a stealth bomber straight through 4 camps, bombed a couple of random fleets and had a blast. If you wanted to participate in a PVP event you should have prepared better for it. Gatecamps are not particularly hard to avoid.
Popular Low-sec and Null-sec entries are virtually always camped and of course the CCP fleet took the most direct path there. Had you bothered to punch in your destination system and take the safest path instead of the quickest on your route you probably could have avoided half the camps anyway, certainly the Meves fleet was able to do that. And you would have avoided most of the TIDI by flying through other systems. |
NinjaStyle
hirr RAZOR Alliance
34
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:07:00 -
[169] - Quote
I posted in there just for you buddy your so silly its unbelieable. So i'd just like to welcome you to Eve Online where **** gets real, REAL FAST! (or just at the click of a button if that button says 'JUMP' )
keep feeling safe in high sec with your epic 'pvp' where the worst thing that can happen is you forget to bring cap charges or whatever carebear thing that makes it something where you just press you buttons and wait and see who has the best tank vs dps.
allso your 'terrible' loss of a epic pvp fit raven must have real sunk into your wallet it was after all a staggering 190m loss there about not even to mention your pod! it must have had all the carebear implants it could muster!
Thanks for letting us have a fantastic laugh at your expence. ( is what nearly all 0.0 entities will say about your 'fabulous' posts in this thread ) they are Tears to us that we gobble up like no other
as for CCP? well they like their game their ENTIRE GAME not just high sec or 0.0 they like EVERYTHING and are probably the only once that are aware of most of the workings between High sec, Low sec, 0.0 and WH space. You can have 'done' all 4 but I doubt you will ever really get all the workings between these 4 places because they are incredibly different and they are probably the only once that really know how different. So dont blame them for high sec mistakes they see the game as one thing unlike the rest of us I frankly only care about 0.0 in general unless there is fun to be had elsewhere on the same level or scale. And most likely so do you only care about high sec and 'your' part of the game. Well too bad CCP dont see the borders we make :) (I myself have been annoyed that 0.0 has not been as directly involved before this time since thats 'my part' of Eve)
somehow I wrote more than just a taunt and a lol I guess you made this alot more enjoyable to read and watch unfold than actually being there on my alt shooting all the ships too pieces |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
312
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:18:00 -
[170] - Quote
CCP Needs Ghosts for Rubicon*
*you don't get ghosts without anguish and loss.
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Cathy Okagima
Okagima Corporation
18
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:00:00 -
[171] - Quote
DeDes wrote:Just in case this hasn't already been said before. I'm sure it has, but again would be a good idea. RAZOR has been staging in Doril for the last 2 months. So no, we didn't get intel from ccp devs before the fight and rush there. We were already there. And you guys just showed up in the middle of a war. Sorry for the destruction and sorrow. Welcome to 0.0. If you enjoyed it we are taking applications.
I heard this and smiled you see the character who I sent to the slaughter I expected to die whether in null or high even though his ship was pretty decent I just thought to myself with lots of people around someone is likely to go bang and I thought there was a good chance it would be me. I lasted longer then the 25secs I had predicted but then I've never flown In TIDI before (it allows for some great screen shots btw) and my pod almost made it out the bubble haha.
The only two things I was disappointed by was the absence of story during or afterwards I really thought by now ccp might of told us who we went there to kill besides you lot of course . and how and what has actually occurred. Other then that it was mostly fun.
The other thing was the mix up on the high sec end you see I thought we where staging in sarum and I knew some people bought freighter loads of ships there just to burn. However jumping the 23 or so jumps away meant that those ships where left in sarum unexploded. I know its sad..... btw I'm a carebear :) |
Talvorian Dex
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 05:06:00 -
[172] - Quote
gf? |
Rekon X
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2013.11.08 05:13:00 -
[173] - Quote
Don't do ccp events.
fixt |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1387
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Posted - 2013.11.08 05:18:00 -
[174] - Quote
Rekon X wrote:Don't do ccp events.
fixt
Someone didn't have fun...
Conversely, the Caldari Prime event was a hell of a fun time. Lost like, 4 salvaging destroyers that day, and still walked off with about 400 mil worth of stolen mods and salvage in a 2 hour period. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6223
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:01:00 -
[175] - Quote
Luck has a lot more to do with RAZOR's success here than anything else. The claim that they may have been acting on inside information is amusing. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
1171
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:12:00 -
[176] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Luck has a lot more to do with RAZOR's success here than anything else. The claim that they may have been acting on inside information is amusing. They knew names of FCs in our fleet, they knew positions of our scouts - that's how our fleet jumped right into bubble and FCs were popped almost instantly. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6223
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:22:00 -
[177] - Quote
Let me clarify. They probably had information from inside the fleet, yes. I was referring to CCP inside information. |
Trillian Stargazer
Origin. Black Legion.
3
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:24:00 -
[178] - Quote
This is one of the best threads ever.
THX CCP! |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6223
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:28:00 -
[179] - Quote
Trillian Stargazer wrote:This is one of the best threads ever.
THX RZR! ftfy |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
550
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:34:00 -
[180] - Quote
Lipbite wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Luck has a lot more to do with RAZOR's success here than anything else. The claim that they may have been acting on inside information is amusing. They knew names of FCs in our fleet, they knew positions of our scouts - that's how our fleet jumped right into bubble and FCs were popped almost instantly. Surely nobody would put alts into a completely public fleet. Could you imagine the dishonor? |
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ZheoTheThird
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
147
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:40:00 -
[181] - Quote
ITT: pubbies who somehow expected not to be a pvp magnet when flying in a fleet of a few thousand blinged out ships piloted by highsec dwellers who have never seen a gatecamp before |
Snakebyte Jack
Grand Theft Astr0
9
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:46:00 -
[182] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:It's almost as if they had experience with attacking a fleet when it's vulnerable by anticipating changes and gathering intel.
You're such a troll Johnny. Lol, never stop poasting! |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
1172
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Posted - 2013.11.08 06:53:00 -
[183] - Quote
ZheoTheThird wrote:blinged out ships
I think you don't have a clue how rich are high sec dwellers if you consider T3s, fleet issue battleships, t2 logis "blinged out ships". Those who lost 3bill pods didn't even bother to come on these forums to say anything. It's just minor inconvenience for players who used to lose 2-5bill worth battleships on regular basis. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17295
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:08:00 -
[184] - Quote
Faith in CCP restored.
This is excellent. |
destiny2
Perkone Caldari State
250
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:24:00 -
[185] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly and if it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour to get ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR and L.S Alliances? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself.
Edit: Info
The CCP Dev took command of the fleet and told them when to jump and where to warp to once "out of the bubble" Then abandoned the fleet when the slaughter started. . This coupled with the sector selection being the cornerstone of all major Null Alliance deployments currently caused a mass slaughter of over 400+ h.s pilots.
You lost to rzr lol their like the backstreet boys of the CFC, now thats emberassing
and you also expected null players to not chew on carebears omg,. you seriously need to get out more
FYI your tears are tasty |
Gorn Arming
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
341
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:25:00 -
[186] - Quote
I can't decide if the funniest part is the legions of highsec ships jumping to their deaths in Doril, the fact that CCP self-destructed the MacGuffin anyway (making the whole exercise pointless), or the part where the node wasn't reinforced despite this whole deal being CCP's idea in the first place.
Regardless, the Disaster at Doril will have me laughing for a good while. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
583
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:27:00 -
[187] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Faith in CCP restored.
This is excellent.
I had something of a giggle over that one.
Seriously CCP....Dorril?
Holy crap, that is done hilarious poo.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6225
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Posted - 2013.11.08 07:59:00 -
[188] - Quote
I don't actually even know what this event was about. I've been out of the loop. |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22267
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:02:00 -
[189] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:I don't actually even know what this event was about. I've been out of the loop. There you go: http://themittani.com/news/live-event-brings-fights-and-outrage |
Jove Death
Jovian Vengeance
172
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:36:00 -
[190] - Quote
I Joined the event in Meves and when they said were going to Stacmon I actually thought the 32 year old char was nuts.
Firstly 8 jumps through mission systems with 800 ships would have been hilarious for them.
Took 45 mins to get there with TIDI 10% which was just lol.
I gave up at Stacmon as the event char buggered off and eveyone didnt have a clue and went throught osti and covryn.
In my mind im thinking because of the cluster **** the other day and the fact that ccp never really has enough chars on SISI to stress test.
They decided to get a bunch of lemmings together and see what happens.
Bloody funny to be honest the fact that they still after all these years sort out terrible lag even on route systems that had 100 chars had 17% TIDI
Razor and the other squads were already prob flying around doril anyway so they must have had ages to set up and get there pinics out and smile and wave at the mess comming to them.
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Eko Fromtv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:57:00 -
[191] - Quote
Most of highsec carebears are actually null alts.
No one is crying about the losses since the null alts brought the big/expensive ships and knew they were going to lose them, most true highsec dwellers brought frigates and destroyers.
No one is even crying about the gatecamps and tidi.
The tears are related to not being able to participate in the actual event, most people didn't go anywhere close to the actual event and died on the low/null entry gates.
Which is actually ok. EVE is real, sandbox mode, etc. The "event" was not shooting at the NCP structure in null, it was the whole package, including early deaths, gatecamps, pvp and the rest. So HTFU ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q
Now back to ice mining. |
arbalesttom
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
12
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Posted - 2013.11.08 09:04:00 -
[192] - Quote
HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE
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Dograzor
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
51
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Posted - 2013.11.08 09:10:00 -
[193] - Quote
Lipbite wrote: They knew names of FCs in our fleet, they knew positions of our scouts - that's how our fleet jumped right into bubble and FCs were popped almost instantly.
Actually, no, we did not know nor care. We sorted the incoming fleet on who had the most shiney ship. So any of your fc's that flew command ships, (faction) battleships, t2 cruisers or faction battlecruisers died quickly. |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
237
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Posted - 2013.11.08 09:13:00 -
[194] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:War Kitten wrote:I'm surprised it was Razor and not PL.
You do realize that EVERYONE was notified of event and that not everyone plays nicely?
Welcome to Eve.
I am well aware of this. The problem is that CCP were running the event, had total control, LowSec had no dilation. So 3 jumps for us took 45 mins, Razor had nearly an hour to get organized, + they were all sat ready with 150k snipers, I logistically they are well organized but seems like they knew just were we would be. CCP even told us to jump in! This was lambs to the slaughter. I was one of the later fleet members to die watching everyone get owned the instant they get out of jump. welcome to null sec, where a sizeable fleet can insa move several jump thanks to titan bridge.
btw, CCP announced that utopia was part of the event, and is just 2-3 jumps from doril.
and razor is operating in the area from time to time, for years, so guess what? their FC's got tacticals in the area.
sorry that you wake up like that, but this is how null is working for YEARS (and lowsec too in some occasions)
they knew where you would be, i wonder why (/me looks at the derelik map and check the road to utopia.......) oh yeah, there is a bottleneck entrance,
and BTW, lowsec was tidi as ****, i live in derelik, during the whole thing, the whole lowsec of derelik was under 10% TIDI |
Kitty O'Shay
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 09:24:00 -
[195] - Quote
Hello,
I've read quite a few post that RAZOR were set up and waiting at the Sendaya gate in Doril etc etc.
The truth is that we had a sizable fleet active, but we were deep in the opposite direction when our FC got the word the live event had started and the new route took them through Doril. The fleet scrambled a titan and jumped back to Doril, warped to said gate just to arrive in time for the first highsec dwellers to jump through.
We weren't prepared and definitely not set up "an hour in advance" on the Sendaya gate.
Thank you CCP and all other highsec people for making my day. It was indescribable.
Welcome to nullsec!
Regards,
/Kitty. |
Cathy Okagima
Okagima Corporation
18
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:09:00 -
[196] - Quote
Kitty O'Shay wrote:Hello,
I've read quite a few post that RAZOR were set up and waiting at the Sendaya gate in Doril etc etc.
The truth is that we had a sizable fleet active, but we were deep in the opposite direction when our FC got the word the live event had started and the new route took them through Doril. The fleet scrambled a titan and jumped back to Doril, warped to said gate just to arrive in time for the first highsec dwellers to jump through.
We weren't prepared and definitely not set up "an hour in advance" on the Sendaya gate.
Thank you CCP and all other highsec people for making my day. It was indescribable.
Welcome to nullsec!
Regards,
/Kitty.
Thanks it was a blast gf |
Treborr MintingtonJr
The Knights of Spamalot The Methodical Alliance
29
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Posted - 2013.11.08 10:13:00 -
[197] - Quote
I still can't believe they went through Doril haha lucky RAZOR :-D |
Xolve
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2072
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:10:00 -
[198] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:This has simply meant that half the game player base has missed out on the event. Not only this but they have alienated a **** ton of people!
Awwww a bunch of high sec bears got to experience EVE, poor lil' fellas... |
DeadDuck
Macabre Votum Northern Coalition.
60
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:21:00 -
[199] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly and if it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour to get ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR and L.S Alliances? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself.
Edit: Info
The CCP Dev took command of the fleet and told them when to jump and where to warp to once "out of the bubble" Then abandoned the fleet when the slaughter started. . This coupled with the sector selection being the cornerstone of all major Null Alliance deployments currently caused a mass slaughter of over 400+ h.s pilots.
Can't stop laughing ... right to the midle of one of the main stages of the conflict involving, RZR, BL, PL, S2N, NC., SF, AAA, DD and many others... . |
Smarty James
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
5
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:27:00 -
[200] - Quote
What he said :
Arius Myxoma > man i just got that ship... J3tt > i just got that ammo J3tt > you don't see me complaining
http://www.omgrawr.net/quote/277 |
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SMI2LE
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:30:00 -
[201] - Quote
so y u hs pilots dont form up a revenge fleet and come back to tell us more bout feelings?
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Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
3637
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:44:00 -
[202] - Quote
Hiseccer encounters bubbles for the first time
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flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1597
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:52:00 -
[203] - Quote
Jove Death wrote:I Joined the event in Meves and when they said were going to Stacmon I actually thought the 32 year old char was nuts.
Firstly 8 jumps through mission systems with 800 ships would have been hilarious for them.
Took 45 mins to get there with TIDI 10% which was just lol.
I gave up at Stacmon as the event char buggered off and eveyone didnt have a clue and went throught osti and covryn.
In my mind im thinking because of the cluster **** the other day and the fact that ccp never really has enough chars on SISI to stress test.
They decided to get a bunch of lemmings together and see what happens.
Bloody funny to be honest the fact that they still after all these years sort out terrible lag even on route systems that had 100 chars had 17% TIDI
Razor and the other squads were already prob flying around doril anyway so they must have had ages to set up and get there pinics out and smile and wave at the mess comming to them.
I went solo to syndicate and passed your high-sec fleet while you where moving , needed to evade some bubbles/reds/neuts along the way but made it there when you guys came into syndicate. I know that at least the syndicate fight mostly had null pilots who came rushig there in the last 30 minutes before the fight started and where shooting each other before you guys came in as we/they mostly had neut/Red standings with each other too.The fighting system had allmost no tidi so i'd say good job on that part at least for CCP.
The outcome was the same as in doril though.You can not expect a giant pile of trash to fight guys who know how to follow the FC , have a decent FC , have experience with nullfights and who all are on teamspeak/mumble ... |
Pew Terror
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
20
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Posted - 2013.11.08 11:54:00 -
[204] - Quote
To sum up this post:
Sheep with no say on how they spend their time in a computergame being smug to filthy casuals that didnt know ships used in events are to be considered dead on first undock. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1113
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:07:00 -
[205] - Quote
Pew Terror wrote:To sum up this post:
Sheep with no say on how they spend their time in a computergame being smug to filthy casuals that didnt know ships used in events are to be considered dead on first undock.
It amazes me that you people believe all null alliances are some kind of total institution. I'm not going to try very hard to disabuse you of this notion but I can't help commenting on it when I see it. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
4695
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:17:00 -
[206] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote: With any MMO if you join a Dev lead player event with no info of whats going on you follow them not wanting to miss out.
LOL
I believe they call that "Lemming" behavior.
There is no such thing as a PVE (only) event in EVE.
Stop making bad assumptions.
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flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1598
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:34:00 -
[207] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:Arn Dog wrote: With any MMO if you join a Dev lead player event with no info of whats going on you follow them not wanting to miss out.
LOL I believe they call that "Lemming" behavior. There is no such thing as a PVE (only) event in EVE. Stop making bad assumptions.
Well technically if he got killed he didn't miss out now did he? |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
4695
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:37:00 -
[208] - Quote
flakeys wrote:War Kitten wrote:Arn Dog wrote: With any MMO if you join a Dev lead player event with no info of whats going on you follow them not wanting to miss out.
LOL I believe they call that "Lemming" behavior. There is no such thing as a PVE (only) event in EVE. Stop making bad assumptions. Well technically if he got killed he didn't miss out now did he?
Hehe, nope. He showed up and got participated upon. :) |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
494
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:41:00 -
[209] - Quote
LOL |
Arn Dog
40
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:42:00 -
[210] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:Arn Dog wrote: With any MMO if you join a Dev lead player event with no info of whats going on you follow them not wanting to miss out.
LOL I believe they call that "Lemming" behavior. There is no such thing as a PVE (only) event in EVE. Stop making bad assumptions.
Everyone clearly knows the difference between a PVE and a PVP fit. Most people were in a PVE fit as they were given the impression this was a pirate NPC event. The response on the coms that we were going to 0.4sec 10 min's prior to the event start was shock. Most people didn't know. This was simply down to unclear communication from CCP. The situation of the sites kin d of gave my fleet a good idea. Hence being in a PVP fit to the most part.
Most people thought CCP had engineered some new mechanic where they were forming LS fleets (pirates) and flagging them so their could be a 0.5 sec fight. That was one of the general ideas. (temp security status drop etc)
Look i went into the fight partially PVE but mostly PVP fit as i had no idea what the event was going to be. Hence i lasted one's standing of the first blood bath and actually got on a kill unlike most. The TiDi coupled with CCP FC skills and "just jump to Planet 4 when the bubble dispersers rubbish" caused loads of High Sec players to die on probably their first LS adventure. What sort of Dev doesn't know that the bubbles will just get re deployed in the instant they are down and that you wouldn't last long enough to just "warp out" Every wormholer and NullSec guy does. |
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
833
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:05:00 -
[211] - Quote
JamDunc wrote:Arn Dog wrote:JamDunc wrote:I really didn't mind the getting killed. I have been other the other end enough times and it was fun to see the fight from the other angle.
The only thing I want to complain about is why the **** did you get us to form up 25 jumps away and then get us to warp all that way through TiDi to get slaughtered? Wouldn't it have been easier to get us to form up close by? They switched the route apparently. We were sat next to LS where be rallied to start. Yea, my guess is once again someone behind the scene messed up and they had to do this to try and keep it going. CCP Manifest was in the Twitch channel for awhile until he got laughed out for trying to make out it was an epic fight. I feel a little sorry for the ISD trying to convince people to jump into Doril after the first wave of slaughter, he got ripped to ****.
I love to see that Chat Log |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
494
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:06:00 -
[212] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote: Look i went into the fight partially PVE but mostly PVP fit as i had no idea what the event was going to be. Hence i lasted one's standing of the first blood bath and actually got on a kill unlike most. The TiDi coupled with CCP FC skills and "just jump to Planet 4 when the bubble dispersers rubbish" caused loads of High Sec players to die on probably their first LS adventure. What sort of Dev doesn't know that the bubbles will just get re deployed in the instant they are down and that you wouldn't last long enough to just "warp out" Every wormholer and NullSec guy does.
I just read about the event on themittani... sounded pretty lame from the highseccer's side and pretty awesome from the nullseccer's side.
Far too often it seems that CCP just doesn't get their own game. Call a live event and send out 1 gigantic fleet and not expect a massive lagfest... bonehead move CCP. Why not send out 250 man fleets on 5 minute intervals and have some actual FC's?
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seth Hendar
I love you miners
237
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:14:00 -
[213] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:War Kitten wrote:Arn Dog wrote: With any MMO if you join a Dev lead player event with no info of whats going on you follow them not wanting to miss out.
LOL I believe they call that "Lemming" behavior. There is no such thing as a PVE (only) event in EVE. Stop making bad assumptions. Everyone clearly knows the difference between a PVE and a PVP fit. Most people were in a PVE fit as they were given the impression this was a pirate NPC event. The response on the coms that we were going to 0.4sec 10 min's prior to the event start was shock. Most people didn't know. This was simply down to unclear communication from CCP. The situation of the sites kind of gave my fleet a good idea. Hence being in a PVP fit to the most part. Most people thought CCP had engineered some new mechanic where they were forming LS fleets (pirates) and flagging them so their could be a 0.5 sec fight. That was one of the general ideas. (temp security status drop etc) Look i went into the fight partially PVE but mostly PVP fit as i had no idea what the event was going to be. Hence i lasted one's standing of the first blood bath and actually got on a kill unlike most. The TiDi coupled with CCP FC skills and "just jump to Planet 4 when the bubble dispersers rubbish" caused loads of High Sec players to die on probably their first LS adventure. What sort of Dev doesn't know that the bubbles will just get re deployed in the instant they are down and that you wouldn't last long enough to just "warp out" Every wormholer and NullSec guy does. What takes the **** more is the actual event would have been over even if we had made it past the gate by the time we got their. well, an event.....that will happen in nullsec...in curse....near utopia...announced widely and with a public fleet
i can't see any reason for it to turn to pvp....none at all.......
if you failed to understand that it would take place in null, i suggest you train reading to at least lvl 1 |
Arn Dog
45
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:16:00 -
[214] - Quote
Sexy Cakes wrote:Arn Dog wrote: Look i went into the fight partially PVE but mostly PVP fit as i had no idea what the event was going to be. Hence i lasted one's standing of the first blood bath and actually got on a kill unlike most. The TiDi coupled with CCP FC skills and "just jump to Planet 4 when the bubble dispersers rubbish" caused loads of High Sec players to die on probably their first LS adventure. What sort of Dev doesn't know that the bubbles will just get re deployed in the instant they are down and that you wouldn't last long enough to just "warp out" Every wormholer and NullSec guy does.
I just read about the event on themittani... sounded pretty lame from the highseccer's side and pretty awesome from the nullseccer's side. Far too often it seems that CCP just doesn't get their own game. Call a live event and send out 1 gigantic fleet and not expect a massive lagfest... bonehead move CCP. Why not send out 250 man fleets on 5 minute intervals and have some actual FC's?
The funny part is this is what actually ended up happening with the TiDi. So you have 250man fleets jumping in on a well organized, non TiDi Razor fleet and getting owned one at a time. While the clark from CCP stood their trying to push the next fleet through the grinder on a red and green light system for the gate. The Dev must have been pissing himself as he sent the next fleet through to be killed. It was only the fact we had cross fleet team speak that we managed to pull two fleets out of going into Doril to stop them getting killed. What was even more laughable is the Dev was countering our own FC and telling the fleet to still jump even when we had told them to pull out lol |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
237
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:18:00 -
[215] - Quote
Sexy Cakes wrote:Arn Dog wrote: Look i went into the fight partially PVE but mostly PVP fit as i had no idea what the event was going to be. Hence i lasted one's standing of the first blood bath and actually got on a kill unlike most. The TiDi coupled with CCP FC skills and "just jump to Planet 4 when the bubble dispersers rubbish" caused loads of High Sec players to die on probably their first LS adventure. What sort of Dev doesn't know that the bubbles will just get re deployed in the instant they are down and that you wouldn't last long enough to just "warp out" Every wormholer and NullSec guy does.
I just read about the event on themittani... sounded pretty lame from the highseccer's side and pretty awesome from the nullseccer's side. Far too often it seems that CCP just doesn't get their own game. Call a live event and send out 1 gigantic fleet and not expect a massive lagfest... bonehead move CCP. Why not send out 250 man fleets on 5 minute intervals and have some actual FC's? well, it is pretty clear that most of CCP crew doesn't know how to play pvp, just look at their fittings, their FC attempts etc....
clearly, they don't know.
it would be really intersting for everyone if CCP members (at least some of them) learned how to eve, fit ships, FC etc....
i'm pretty sure some of the changes they bring within each expansions would be considered better if they had such knowledge
knowing the game =/= knowing how to play the game |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
583
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:20:00 -
[216] - Quote
Pew Terror wrote:To sum up this post:
Sheep with no say on how they spend their time in a computergame being smug to filthy casuals that didnt know ships used in events are to be considered dead on first undock.
Don't know what you are talking about.
Its rare that I have to do anything. I spend my time to all sorts of enjoyable things, blowing up 200 highsecers would have been something I would enjoy but I had to go to bed.
We don't live out here for market availability tutz, we like shoooting at people. |
Arn Dog
45
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:20:00 -
[217] - Quote
seth Hendar wrote:Arn Dog wrote:War Kitten wrote:Arn Dog wrote: With any MMO if you join a Dev lead player event with no info of whats going on you follow them not wanting to miss out.
LOL I believe they call that "Lemming" behavior. There is no such thing as a PVE (only) event in EVE. Stop making bad assumptions. Everyone clearly knows the difference between a PVE and a PVP fit. Most people were in a PVE fit as they were given the impression this was a pirate NPC event. The response on the coms that we were going to 0.4sec 10 min's prior to the event start was shock. Most people didn't know. This was simply down to unclear communication from CCP. The situation of the sites kind of gave my fleet a good idea. Hence being in a PVP fit to the most part. Most people thought CCP had engineered some new mechanic where they were forming LS fleets (pirates) and flagging them so their could be a 0.5 sec fight. That was one of the general ideas. (temp security status drop etc) Look i went into the fight partially PVE but mostly PVP fit as i had no idea what the event was going to be. Hence i lasted one's standing of the first blood bath and actually got on a kill unlike most. The TiDi coupled with CCP FC skills and "just jump to Planet 4 when the bubble dispersers rubbish" caused loads of High Sec players to die on probably their first LS adventure. What sort of Dev doesn't know that the bubbles will just get re deployed in the instant they are down and that you wouldn't last long enough to just "warp out" Every wormholer and NullSec guy does. What takes the **** more is the actual event would have been over even if we had made it past the gate by the time we got their. well, an event.....that will happen in nullsec...in curse....near utopia...announced widely and with a public fleet i can't see any reason for it to turn to pvp....none at all....... if you failed to understand that it would take place in null, i suggest you train reading to at least lvl 1
You missed one very small but major part of information out. Announced 10mins prior to the event starting that it was in Null. I dont know if it was different for the Pirate Null guys but we got told on route where to go. You guys seem to think that all of the H.S fleets knew hours ahead of time this was going to take place in null? Some of us guessed and came fit accordingly for a PVE event in a PVP region. However once again. We were only informed 10mins prior to the start.
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Arn Dog
45
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:25:00 -
[218] - Quote
seth Hendar wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:Arn Dog wrote: Look i went into the fight partially PVE but mostly PVP fit as i had no idea what the event was going to be. Hence i lasted one's standing of the first blood bath and actually got on a kill unlike most. The TiDi coupled with CCP FC skills and "just jump to Planet 4 when the bubble dispersers rubbish" caused loads of High Sec players to die on probably their first LS adventure. What sort of Dev doesn't know that the bubbles will just get re deployed in the instant they are down and that you wouldn't last long enough to just "warp out" Every wormholer and NullSec guy does.
I just read about the event on themittani... sounded pretty lame from the highseccer's side and pretty awesome from the nullseccer's side. Far too often it seems that CCP just doesn't get their own game. Call a live event and send out 1 gigantic fleet and not expect a massive lagfest... bonehead move CCP. Why not send out 250 man fleets on 5 minute intervals and have some actual FC's? well, it is pretty clear that most of CCP crew doesn't know how to play pvp, just look at their fittings, their FC attempts etc.... clearly, they don't know. it would be really intersting for everyone if CCP members (at least some of them) learned how to eve, fit ships, FC etc.... i'm pretty sure some of the changes they bring within each expansions would be considered better if they had such knowledge knowing the game =/= knowing how to play the game
The bubble thing is a classic example of this. Team speak was dumbfounded that a Dev would tell us to just "wait" for the bubble to go down and warp out. Most highsecers know what bubbles look like as a large proportion and Null/Low/WH alts. Sometimes i wonder if they even play the game they work on.
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seth Hendar
I love you miners
237
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:25:00 -
[219] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:Arn Dog wrote: Look i went into the fight partially PVE but mostly PVP fit as i had no idea what the event was going to be. Hence i lasted one's standing of the first blood bath and actually got on a kill unlike most. The TiDi coupled with CCP FC skills and "just jump to Planet 4 when the bubble dispersers rubbish" caused loads of High Sec players to die on probably their first LS adventure. What sort of Dev doesn't know that the bubbles will just get re deployed in the instant they are down and that you wouldn't last long enough to just "warp out" Every wormholer and NullSec guy does.
I just read about the event on themittani... sounded pretty lame from the highseccer's side and pretty awesome from the nullseccer's side. Far too often it seems that CCP just doesn't get their own game. Call a live event and send out 1 gigantic fleet and not expect a massive lagfest... bonehead move CCP. Why not send out 250 man fleets on 5 minute intervals and have some actual FC's? The funny part is this is what actually ended up happening with the TiDi. So you have 250man fleets jumping in on a well organized, non TiDi Razor fleet and getting owned one at a time. While the clark from CCP stood their trying to push the next fleet through the grinder on a red and green light system for the gate. The Dev must have been pissing himself as he sent the next fleet through to be killed. It was only the fact we had cross fleet team speak that we managed to pull two fleets out of going into Doril to stop them getting killed. What was even more laughable is the Dev was countering our own FC and telling the fleet to still jump even when we had told them to pull out lol this is why teamspeak is better for this: FC => talk power. one can argue, noone will hear him anyway.
a pvp fleet shall never be a democracy, democracy can come before, or / and after, but never during the fleet
that's a FC role and that's why a FC is called. during the fleet he is god almighty, you follow his orders, even bad ones (or the one you think are bad).
if the fleet get killed on bad order from FC, then FC is responsible, that is the price to pay.
but when a fleet succeed, trust me the FC will be thanked by it's crew
this is where CCP is missing imao, running a fleet the correct way is not hard, what is hard is to make the good decision.
next time i hope they will say "OK, CCP XXX is now the FC, then follow the orders, if he say jump, just ask how high" |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2622
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:25:00 -
[220] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly and if it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour to get ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR and L.S Alliances? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself.
Edit: Info
The CCP Dev took command of the fleet and told them when to jump and where to warp to once "out of the bubble" Then abandoned the fleet when the slaughter started. . This coupled with the sector selection being the cornerstone of all major Null Alliance deployments currently caused a mass slaughter of over 400+ h.s pilots.
Summary: Tinfoil + hisec scrubs = hilarity
The people in low and null got set up quickly and decimated the fleets because they - gasp - know how to PVP.
hope this helps |
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seth Hendar
I love you miners
237
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:28:00 -
[221] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote: You missed one very small but major part of information out. Announced 10mins prior to the event starting that it was in Null. I dont know if it was different for the Pirate Null guys but we got told on route where to go. You guys seem to think that all of the H.S fleets knew hours ahead of time this was going to take place in null? Some of us guessed and came fit accordingly for a PVE event in a PVP region. However once again. We were only informed 10mins prior to the start.
sorry, but you are wrong, the event took place around 1800-1900 eve time, it was known since noon that utopia was involved
now, if you didn't knew utopia was in nullsec, well i'd say someone failed to do his homeworks
so you are the one who missed "one very small but major part of information"
edit: it was not noon, it was 1400 eve time:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/join-the-pirates-and-defend-their-assets
Quote:The empires of EVE Online are launching an assault tonight at 18:50. But their targets are not simply going to sit by and let that happen! They've put out their own call to action for anyone who wants to fight the power of the empires! If you're devious and wicked enough to fight against the forces of good in New Eden, go to systems FD-MLJ or Utopia at 18:50 onward and join the fleets there! |
SKINE DMZ
Stay Frosty.
240
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:29:00 -
[222] - Quote
I was there, to be completely honest it was very chaotic and not a lot of people knew what was going on, pirates were shooting pirates, gatecamps set up to stop other pirates getting to the event, you finally get there and a lot of people just get volleyd, all in all not a great event at all really. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2622
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:33:00 -
[223] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:seth Hendar wrote:Arn Dog wrote:War Kitten wrote:Arn Dog wrote: With any MMO if you join a Dev lead player event with no info of whats going on you follow them not wanting to miss out.
LOL I believe they call that "Lemming" behavior. There is no such thing as a PVE (only) event in EVE. Stop making bad assumptions. Everyone clearly knows the difference between a PVE and a PVP fit. Most people were in a PVE fit as they were given the impression this was a pirate NPC event. The response on the coms that we were going to 0.4sec 10 min's prior to the event start was shock. Most people didn't know. This was simply down to unclear communication from CCP. The situation of the sites kind of gave my fleet a good idea. Hence being in a PVP fit to the most part. Most people thought CCP had engineered some new mechanic where they were forming LS fleets (pirates) and flagging them so their could be a 0.5 sec fight. That was one of the general ideas. (temp security status drop etc) Look i went into the fight partially PVE but mostly PVP fit as i had no idea what the event was going to be. Hence i lasted one's standing of the first blood bath and actually got on a kill unlike most. The TiDi coupled with CCP FC skills and "just jump to Planet 4 when the bubble dispersers rubbish" caused loads of High Sec players to die on probably their first LS adventure. What sort of Dev doesn't know that the bubbles will just get re deployed in the instant they are down and that you wouldn't last long enough to just "warp out" Every wormholer and NullSec guy does. What takes the **** more is the actual event would have been over even if we had made it past the gate by the time we got their. well, an event.....that will happen in nullsec...in curse....near utopia...announced widely and with a public fleet i can't see any reason for it to turn to pvp....none at all....... if you failed to understand that it would take place in null, i suggest you train reading to at least lvl 1 You missed one very small but major part of information out. Announced 10mins prior to the event starting that it was in Null. I dont know if it was different for the Pirate Null guys but we got told on route where to go. You guys seem to think that all of the H.S fleets knew hours ahead of time this was going to take place in null? Some of us guessed and came fit accordingly for a PVE event in a PVP region. However once again. We were only informed 10mins prior to the start.
Why is that an issue? CCP never stated where the event would happen. It's no ones fault but your own if you assumed it would be in hisec and it would be "safe" pve. Even if it did happen in highsec, you'd be wrong to assume purely PVE anyway - even standard, boring day to day highsec things like mining and mission running get some fun pvp surprises from time to time, what did you think would happen with a live event?
Summary: dumb people defeated by their own dumbness
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Arn Dog
45
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:33:00 -
[224] - Quote
Quote:next time i hope they will say "OK, CCP XXX is now the FC, then follow the orders, if he say jump, just ask how high
This is were they are really taking the ****. I submitted a request knowing they wont onhour it but to see what they would say. (as CCP went quiet on the forums and abondoned the fleets mid fligth"
This is their policy of fleets .
CCP operates a strict non-intervention stance towards large scale fleet fights. Unexpected and unpredictable issues can crop up when a server node is put under heavy load by a huge event of this scale. This is a well known fact and one of the main reasons for our non-intervention policy; any action on our behalf would be arbitrary as it is impossible to determine the full extent and consequences high server load had on the ongoing fight.
However by taking command of the fleet like they did. Issuing orders and direction activity they would appear in my opinion to have broke their own policy. By not making themselves the FC but directing the fleet in the same manor from an RP point they seem to be working round their own policey to undermine it. No one is in any doubt that they were commanding most of the H.S fleets actions. It has been widely reported on here and elsewhere.
http://themittani.com/news/live-event-brings-fights-and-outrage |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2622
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:37:00 -
[225] - Quote
If the CCP devs were so obviously doing something wrong, then why did all the hisec sheep do as they were told?
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seth Hendar
I love you miners
237
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:39:00 -
[226] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:seth hendar wrote:next time i hope they will say "OK, CCP XXX is now the FC, then follow the orders, if he say jump, just ask how high This is were they are really taking the ****. I submitted a request knowing they wont onhour it but to see what they would say. (as CCP went quiet on the forums and abondoned the fleets mid fligth" This is their policy of fleets . CCP operates a strict non-intervention stance towards large scale fleet fights. Unexpected and unpredictable issues can crop up when a server node is put under heavy load by a huge event of this scale. This is a well known fact and one of the main reasons for our non-intervention policy; any action on our behalf would be arbitrary as it is impossible to determine the full extent and consequences high server load had on the ongoing fight.However by taking command of the fleet like they did. Issuing orders and direction activity they would appear in my opinion to have broke their own policy. By not making themselves the FC but directing the fleet in the same manor from an RP point they seem to be working round their own policey to undermine it. No one is in any doubt that they were commanding most of the H.S fleets actions. It has been widely reported on here and elsewhere. http://themittani.com/news/live-event-brings-fights-and-outrage
well, the way i see this:
1- CCP gather pilots for a fleet (they call the fleet) 2- CCP create the fleet 3- CCP FC's the fleet by issuing orders
so either you do it 100%, or you don't do it at all.
OR, they call for a FC or let a FC take the lead, someone said a FC (non CCP char.) was FCing part of the fleet, and CCP gave orders AGAINST this FC order.
this is....well....i can't find a proper description but weird, specially after reading the eula part you quoted....
it seems like they were reminded half event about said eula
this whole story is, in fine, just about bad FCing
CCP started FCing, made a mistake (i don't blame them, **** happen), then halfway through, dropped the FC role. |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
136
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:40:00 -
[227] - Quote
Here's how it really went:
Gather supplies extra ships in Sarum Prime for unknown event. Get the order to move to Ihal(?), panic, grab as much ammo as cargo allows. Fly through molasses... wait. Get the order to head into Low.
(This is where most of you screwed up)
Call up map, watch first wave die. Warn local "Its a trap!" Watch the lemmings jump for the next hour... or whatever.
If you jumped without looking then you are not paranoid enough for anything but HighSec. |
Arn Dog
45
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:41:00 -
[228] - Quote
seth Hendar wrote:Arn Dog wrote: You missed one very small but major part of information out. Announced 10mins prior to the event starting that it was in Null. I dont know if it was different for the Pirate Null guys but we got told on route where to go. You guys seem to think that all of the H.S fleets knew hours ahead of time this was going to take place in null? Some of us guessed and came fit accordingly for a PVE event in a PVP region. However once again. We were only informed 10mins prior to the start.
sorry, but you are wrong, the event took place around 1800-1900 eve time, it was known since noon that utopia was involved now, if you didn't knew utopia was in nullsec, well i'd say someone failed to do his homeworks so you are the one who missed " one very small but major part of information" edit: it was not noon, it was 1400 eve time: http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/join-the-pirates-and-defend-their-assetsQuote:The empires of EVE Online are launching an assault tonight at 18:50. But their targets are not simply going to sit by and let that happen! They've put out their own call to action for anyone who wants to fight the power of the empires! If you're devious and wicked enough to fight against the forces of good in New Eden, go to systems FD-MLJ or Utopia at 18:50 onward and join the fleets there!
This isn't correct. Utopia was the staging ground for Pirates. Not the announced location oft he event. They moved us 21 jumps 10 min's prior to start. The presumption was both sides would be told to move. Not one would be sat waiting 1 jump out from the staging ground. If this was the plan all along why did they not tell use to fleet up 2 jumps out? The general impression was they switched the event location last min for the H.S fleets due to the overall number of members that arrived. It was completely miss managed in my opinion. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1115
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:41:00 -
[229] - Quote
I think it is actually pretty reasonable for participants to criticize CCP for leading them into the one null region nearly every major power is deployed in at the moment. From what I hear, some of the Syndicate fleet at least made it to the LARP system, but anyone could have told them Curse would be a bad idea.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
487
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:43:00 -
[230] - Quote
"It's a trap" and "oh god, oh god, we are all gonna die" was posted in fleet and local all the time from sarum prime. |
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Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
1892
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:47:00 -
[231] - Quote
Well it sounds like this was a fun fight, for the most part.... minus the lag. Sorry I couldn't be there, I would have enjoyed the extra hatemail today. |
Arn Dog
45
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:48:00 -
[232] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:I think it is actually pretty reasonable for participants to criticize CCP for leading them into the one null region nearly every major power is deployed in at the moment. From what I hear, some of the Syndicate fleet at least made it to the LARP system, but anyone could have told them Curse would be a bad idea.
One of my mistakes was thinking CCP new how bad the zone was and actually had done something to counter this. Nievly i thought as a perceived PVE focused event (yes with PVP expected) They would cyno us in or bring CCP fleet back up to allow more balance or at least people to make it to the event location. It was only on that final jump that i came to the conclusion they were clueless and would appear to have screwed over the fleets.
Part of the reason why people think it was a set up is the Dev's logged off straight away after everything went wrong. LeftFleets with no direction on what was happening or even if the event was active. This coupled with the Event being Auto Destructed also feed this impression. If i had know this was the plan i would have joined the Pirates for the opportunity to actually PVP lol |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
237
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:48:00 -
[233] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:seth Hendar wrote:Arn Dog wrote: You missed one very small but major part of information out. Announced 10mins prior to the event starting that it was in Null. I dont know if it was different for the Pirate Null guys but we got told on route where to go. You guys seem to think that all of the H.S fleets knew hours ahead of time this was going to take place in null? Some of us guessed and came fit accordingly for a PVE event in a PVP region. However once again. We were only informed 10mins prior to the start.
sorry, but you are wrong, the event took place around 1800-1900 eve time, it was known since noon that utopia was involved now, if you didn't knew utopia was in nullsec, well i'd say someone failed to do his homeworks so you are the one who missed " one very small but major part of information" edit: it was not noon, it was 1400 eve time: http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/join-the-pirates-and-defend-their-assetsQuote:The empires of EVE Online are launching an assault tonight at 18:50. But their targets are not simply going to sit by and let that happen! They've put out their own call to action for anyone who wants to fight the power of the empires! If you're devious and wicked enough to fight against the forces of good in New Eden, go to systems FD-MLJ or Utopia at 18:50 onward and join the fleets there! This isn't correct. Utopia was the staging ground for Pirates. Not the announced location oft he event. They moved us 21 jumps 10 min's prior to start. The presumption was both sides would be told to move. Not one would be sat waiting 1 jump out from the staging ground. If this was the plan all along why did they not tell use to fleet up 2 jumps out? The general impression was they switched the event location last min for the H.S fleets due to the overall number of members that arrived. It was completely miss managed in my opinion.
if it was just about allowing pirate char to gather, why 2 nullsec systems? why not sendaya and another lowsec near FD-MLJ?
most pirate live in lowsec anyway, and they don't have trouble travelling in those...they do it all the time
i think this is just a matter of interpretation, and for me: what i understood reading this, was that two fleet were formed in high, those wanting to join but being pirate were to form in another system where they don't suffer SS issues, and join the fleet as it passes in those systems.
wich made a lot of sense to me since that is a thing i saw happening several times before in few alliances where some corps are pirate and others are not....
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1116
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:50:00 -
[234] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:I think it is actually pretty reasonable for participants to criticize CCP for leading them into the one null region nearly every major power is deployed in at the moment. From what I hear, some of the Syndicate fleet at least made it to the LARP system, but anyone could have told them Curse would be a bad idea.
Though I guess on the other hand, CCP avoided being accused of favoritism by leading the loot pi+¦ata to where everyone could take a whack. |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
237
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:51:00 -
[235] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:I think it is actually pretty reasonable for participants to criticize CCP for leading them into the one null region nearly every major power is deployed in at the moment. From what I hear, some of the Syndicate fleet at least made it to the LARP system, but anyone could have told them Curse would be a bad idea.
well, i would expect any person planning a trip to any null sec with a sizeable fleet to actually take a look at what is actually happening in the area, who's living there, what are their primetime etc..... sounds to be FCing 101 to me.... |
Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
665
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:51:00 -
[236] - Quote
I wish CCP would intervene with your terrible posting OP. |
Baaldor
In Igne Morim Easily Excited
186
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:55:00 -
[237] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:
One of my mistakes was thinking CCP new know bad the zone was and actually had done something to counter this. Nievly i thought as a perceived PVE focused event (yes with PVP expected) They would cyno us in or bring CCP fleet back up to allow more balance or at least people to make it to the event location. It was only on that final jump that i came to the conclusion they were clueless and and would appear to have screwed over the fleets.
So you assumed that being CCP is involved that you and the rest of the lemmings thought that you would were not going to lose any fight and that there some sort of back up somewhere to prevent you guys from diaf?
Is that what you are inferring?
Arn Dog wrote:Part of the reason why people think it was a set up is the Dev's logged off straight away after everything went wrong. Leave Fleets with no direction on what was happening or even if the event was active. This coupled with the Event being Auto Destructed also feed this impression. If i had know this was the plan i would have joined the Pirates for the opportunity to actually PVP lol
Pirates? What pirates, I thought it was Razor. |
Arn Dog
45
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:57:00 -
[238] - Quote
seth Hendar wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:I think it is actually pretty reasonable for participants to criticize CCP for leading them into the one null region nearly every major power is deployed in at the moment. From what I hear, some of the Syndicate fleet at least made it to the LARP system, but anyone could have told them Curse would be a bad idea.
well, i would expect any person planning a trip to any null sec with a sizeable fleet to actually take a look at what is actually happening in the area, who's living there, what are their primetime etc..... sounds to be FCing 101 to me....
This is the concerning part. It would appear that the Dev's don't follow any of the NullSec Politics. Everyone knew the area was on fire. Hence wrongly thinking they had done something to assist in getting through. No one i spoke to ever thought CCP would send a H.S fleet through such a zone with no back up what so ever. |
Arn Dog
45
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:02:00 -
[239] - Quote
Baaldor wrote:Arn Dog wrote:
One of my mistakes was thinking CCP new know bad the zone was and actually had done something to counter this. Nievly i thought as a perceived PVE focused event (yes with PVP expected) They would cyno us in or bring CCP fleet back up to allow more balance or at least people to make it to the event location. It was only on that final jump that i came to the conclusion they were clueless and and would appear to have screwed over the fleets.
So you assumed that being CCP is involved that you and the rest of the lemmings thought that you would were not going to lose any fight and that there some sort of back up somewhere to prevent you guys from diaf? Is that what you are inferring? Arn Dog wrote:Part of the reason why people think it was a set up is the Dev's logged off straight away after everything went wrong. Leave Fleets with no direction on what was happening or even if the event was active. This coupled with the Event being Auto Destructed also feed this impression. If i had know this was the plan i would have joined the Pirates for the opportunity to actually PVP lol Pirates? What pirates, I thought it was Razor.
Go read the event info and numerous news pages and stop trolling.
Everyone expect that at least some of the fleets actually would get to the event location even if we all got killed their . No one is upset about losing a ship and a pod. Everyone is annoyed by the way it was set up and managed. |
Richard Ramlrez
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:03:00 -
[240] - Quote
Im starting to think that wasn't an event, but a GM trolling hi-sec players. |
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1116
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:04:00 -
[241] - Quote
Baaldor wrote: Pirates? What pirates, I thought it was Razor.
I think he meant the other fleet that went out to Syndicate and at least got to cycle their guns once before dying. I think they were cosplaying as pirates or something. |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
238
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:04:00 -
[242] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:seth Hendar wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:I think it is actually pretty reasonable for participants to criticize CCP for leading them into the one null region nearly every major power is deployed in at the moment. From what I hear, some of the Syndicate fleet at least made it to the LARP system, but anyone could have told them Curse would be a bad idea.
well, i would expect any person planning a trip to any null sec with a sizeable fleet to actually take a look at what is actually happening in the area, who's living there, what are their primetime etc..... sounds to be FCing 101 to me.... This is the concerning part. It would appear that the Dev's don't follow any of the NullSec Politics. Everyone knew the area was on fire. Hence wrongly thinking they had done something to assist in getting through. No one i spoke to ever thought CCP would send a H.S fleet through such a zone with no back up what so ever. yup, like i said before, they don't know how to play the game, in this case, the CCP persons involved didn't know how to FC |
Baaldor
In Igne Morim Easily Excited
186
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:12:00 -
[243] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:Baaldor wrote:Arn Dog wrote:
One of my mistakes was thinking CCP new know bad the zone was and actually had done something to counter this. Nievly i thought as a perceived PVE focused event (yes with PVP expected) They would cyno us in or bring CCP fleet back up to allow more balance or at least people to make it to the event location. It was only on that final jump that i came to the conclusion they were clueless and and would appear to have screwed over the fleets.
So you assumed that being CCP is involved that you and the rest of the lemmings thought that you would were not going to lose any fight and that there some sort of back up somewhere to prevent you guys from diaf? Is that what you are inferring? Arn Dog wrote:Part of the reason why people think it was a set up is the Dev's logged off straight away after everything went wrong. Leave Fleets with no direction on what was happening or even if the event was active. This coupled with the Event being Auto Destructed also feed this impression. If i had know this was the plan i would have joined the Pirates for the opportunity to actually PVP lol Pirates? What pirates, I thought it was Razor. Go read the event info and numerous news pages and stop trolling. Everyone expect that at least some of the fleets actually would get to the event location even if we all got killed their . No one is upset about losing a ship and a pod. Everyone is annoyed by the way it was set up and managed.
Trolling, dude you have no idea what that even is. You just do not want to actually address my response, so you through out the "Troll" card.
And you guys are butt hurt about losing you space pixels,and pissed that CCP dragged a bunch of risk averse autistic squirrel to their deaths.
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Arn Dog
45
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:23:00 -
[244] - Quote
Quote: And you guys are butt hurt about losing you space pixels,and pissed that CCP dragged a bunch of risk averse autistic squirrel to their deaths.
You made a statement not referring to any of the previously discussed topics in the post by others. Then a question when the answer was in the official Eve post and anyone who has been following the event knows what happened to that fleet. So Yes Trolling.
Thanks for your contribution though. |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
136
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:31:00 -
[245] - Quote
CCP led no one to their deaths, the Empires did.
CoughStoryCoughRubiconCoughEmpiresLosingTheirGripCoughEtcCough |
Arn Dog
45
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:32:00 -
[246] - Quote
http://jestertrek.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/backfire.html
This is a great read guys.
The only thing that i have an issue with is we didn't know that the destination point was were it was .We only found this out 10mins before hand. Being construction does anyone know where this was posted prior to the event?
No one in HS to my knowledge knew where the event was going to be staged and i think this is one of the biggest points of confusion when discussing the topic. |
March rabbit
True Horde
867
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 14:42:00 -
[247] - Quote
it's really sad if this was GOOD FIGHT for you
in my 0.0 times we used this word for different things |
EvEa Deva
State War Academy Caldari State
384
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:51:00 -
[248] - Quote
Ok crap fleet comp half shield tank, half armor tank, ( im sure some with both ) no logi, crappy FC, very limited coms, your in TiDi, your enemy has an hour to move into position not in TiDi, Spys in your fleet up the butt, and your moving into a warzone area.
Sounds like fun
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J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1065
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:01:00 -
[249] - Quote
if an event is only fun for one side, that event has pretty much failed. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8485
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 15:04:00 -
[250] - Quote
J3ssica Alba wrote:if an event is only fun for one side, that event has pretty much failed.
Event was a success, the issue is high sec is not used to losing, they never face anything dangerous and it shows in their outrage at getting crushed. |
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Tia Tzu
G.E.A.R.
6
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:09:00 -
[251] - Quote
Frangus wrote:Arn Dog wrote:Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly of it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour get get their ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR ? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself. We are deployed to Doril so took like 3 min to set up the gate camp when we knew they where going through there.
wow you are so l33t
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1117
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:12:00 -
[252] - Quote
Tia Tzu wrote:Frangus wrote:Arn Dog wrote:Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly of it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour get get their ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR ? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself. We are deployed to Doril so took like 3 min to set up the gate camp when we knew they where going through there. wow you are so l33t
Maybe you should stop posting. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4482
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:14:00 -
[253] - Quote
ArmageddonX wrote:Anomaly One wrote:We were expecting a fight, not suicide, nothing but a waste of time,. EXACTLY!!! CCP said the empire would be "helping us out" - No Empire to be seen.
Excuse me, this is a teaching experience.
It's ultra-known that in EvE (and not only) if you "have a fight" or "have a fair fight" it's because the other guy committed a serious mistake.
If the other guy knows WTF he's doing, you WILL get slaugthered witihout a single hope to get out. The winners will thus say: "it was a fair fight and we won".
Welcome to story 101. |
Tia Tzu
G.E.A.R.
6
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:15:00 -
[254] - Quote
Been playing since 2006, never bothered with any live events because bluntly, i don't trust CCP as far as I can throw them, and never have. They are basically a bunch of chancers who got lucky a decade ago and ever since they have needed EVE subscribers to tell them how to play their own game, and the conflicts of interest that have arisen since would put the EU / IMF Troika to shame. |
Tia Tzu
G.E.A.R.
7
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:18:00 -
[255] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Tia Tzu wrote:Frangus wrote:Arn Dog wrote:Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly of it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour get get their ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR ? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself. We are deployed to Doril so took like 3 min to set up the gate camp when we knew they where going through there. wow you are so l33t Maybe you should stop posting.
maybe you should stop fapping to my little pony, but I don't judge.. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1117
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:21:00 -
[256] - Quote
Tia Tzu wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:Tia Tzu wrote:Frangus wrote:Arn Dog wrote:Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly of it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour get get their ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR ? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself. We are deployed to Doril so took like 3 min to set up the gate camp when we knew they where going through there. wow you are so l33t Maybe you should stop posting. maybe you should stop fapping to my little pony, but I don't judge..
I'll have you know I only fap to anime.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4482
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:21:00 -
[257] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:Most people thought CCP had engineered some new mechanic where they were forming LS fleets (pirates) and flagging them so their could be a 0.5 sec fight. That was one of the general ideas. (temp security status drop etc)
Look i went into the fight partially PVE but mostly PVP fit as i had no idea what the event was going to be. Hence i lasted one's standing of the first blood bath and actually got on a kill unlike most. The TiDi coupled with CCP FC skills and "just jump to Planet 4 when the bubble dispersers rubbish" caused loads of High Sec players to die on probably their first LS adventure. What sort of Dev doesn't know that the bubbles will just get re deployed in the instant they are down and that you wouldn't last long enough to just "warp out" Every wormholer and NullSec guy does.
What takes the **** more is the actual event would have been over even if we had made it past the gate by the time we got their.
What surprises me the most is how CCP want to setup events but:
- they tend to be terrible at their game
- there are less good CCP FCs than in an hi sec 5 men mining corp.
Therefore, if they ever wanted to "smoothly introduce" new players to the hot spots of EvE, they failed in the most horrific way.
If they planned to get a 10% raise in newbies subs they will face a 20% drop instead, and all of this for the reasons above. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1117
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 15:25:00 -
[258] - Quote
I seriously doubt anyone will unsub because a dumb LARP went bad. |
epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
120
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:56:00 -
[259] - Quote
Bagrat Skalski wrote:"It's a trap" and "oh god, oh god, we are all gonna die" was posted in fleet and local all the time from sarum prime. Good luck in telling the truth from the spammers and troll in Local Yesterday. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2624
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:05:00 -
[260] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:seth Hendar wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:I think it is actually pretty reasonable for participants to criticize CCP for leading them into the one null region nearly every major power is deployed in at the moment. From what I hear, some of the Syndicate fleet at least made it to the LARP system, but anyone could have told them Curse would be a bad idea.
well, i would expect any person planning a trip to any null sec with a sizeable fleet to actually take a look at what is actually happening in the area, who's living there, what are their primetime etc..... sounds to be FCing 101 to me.... This is the concerning part. It would appear that the Dev's don't follow any of the NullSec Politics. Everyone knew the area was on fire. Hence wrongly thinking they had done something to assist in getting through. No one i spoke to ever thought CCP would send a H.S fleet through such a zone with no back up what so ever.
Well then the people you spoke to are, quite frankly, idiots.
Why on earth would you suspect CCP to step in and provide protection or help to allow you to reach an event? Why would you ever WANT something like that.
check your entitlement, bro
CCP putting the event in a location that resulted in people flying into a hot area and not doing a damn thing to interfere with the developments that arise in such a situation is actually a good thing. |
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Faenir Antollare
University of Caille Gallente Federation
149
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:24:00 -
[261] - Quote
As it was my first ever aggressive endeavor into Null I will concede that it was a very sobering experience but would point out that I would love to do similar again. I only really started to realize just how organised some Peeps in this game are whilst trying to navigate my Pod home safe, was truly a whole new game for me, opened my eyes one could say, so in that respect I do believe the event was a success.
Yes it was poorly organised from my (noob) point of view, yet..and this cant be denied..it was bloody exciting play, I managed to get to the destination event and even engaged a few boats for a cpl of mins before my beloved Ishkur felt the full effect of nobody repping. I didn't get any kills though which in all honesty is my only real disappointment other than not really seeing the actual event itself as it was over by the time the fleet I was conscripted too beat the tidi meta.
Lets do it again Please Ccp, just this time a lil differently :)
Any Ishkur replacement donations can be contracted directly to this char..who will then ensure that the haribo'd alt in question has no qualms whatsoever about the consequences of her involvement and participation in that there trespassing exercise. |
Jythier Smith
Sequestration INC. Harmonic Convergence
56
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:32:00 -
[262] - Quote
Faenir Antollare wrote:As it was my first ever aggressive endeavor into Null I will concede that it was a very sobering experience but would point out that I would love to do similar again. I only really started to realize just how organised some Peeps in this game are whilst trying to navigate my Pod home safe, was truly a whole new game for me, opened my eyes one could say, so in that respect I do believe the event was a success.
Yes it was poorly organised from my (noob) point of view, yet..and this cant be denied..it was bloody exciting play, I managed to get to the destination event and even engaged a few boats for a cpl of mins before my beloved Ishkur felt the full effect of nobody repping. I didn't get any kills though which in all honesty is my only real disappointment other than not really seeing the actual event itself as it was over by the time the fleet I was conscripted too beat the tidi meta.
Lets do it again Please Ccp, just this time a lil differently :)
Any Ishkur replacement donations can be contracted directly to this char..who will then ensure that the haribo'd alt in question has no qualms whatsoever about the consequences of her involvement and participation in that there trespassing exercise.
So, let's organize it and do it again, but win this time. Take something out. Carebears in space with guns. Okay, maybe not win but at least get a couple kills (shots off at least!) before asploding. |
Arn Dog
45
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:33:00 -
[263] - Quote
TheGunslinger42 wrote:Arn Dog wrote:seth Hendar wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:I think it is actually pretty reasonable for participants to criticize CCP for leading them into the one null region nearly every major power is deployed in at the moment. From what I hear, some of the Syndicate fleet at least made it to the LARP system, but anyone could have told them Curse would be a bad idea.
well, i would expect any person planning a trip to any null sec with a sizeable fleet to actually take a look at what is actually happening in the area, who's living there, what are their primetime etc..... sounds to be FCing 101 to me.... This is the concerning part. It would appear that the Dev's don't follow any of the NullSec Politics. Everyone knew the area was on fire. Hence wrongly thinking they had done something to assist in getting through. No one i spoke to ever thought CCP would send a H.S fleet through such a zone with no back up what so ever. Well then the people you spoke to are, quite frankly, idiots. Why on earth would you suspect CCP to step in and provide protection or help to allow you to reach an event? Why would you ever WANT something like that. check your entitlement, bro CCP putting the event in a location that resulted in people flying into a hot area and not doing a damn thing to interfere with the developments that arise in such a situation is actually a good thing.
It was a CCP launch event. Which turned out to be a CCP Dev high sec gift to LS/Null for cannon fodder. Please name the last event where they did this and i will surely bow to your Superior knowledge. Why don't you try reading the rest of the posts to actually understand the context that responce and in fact the responce to the response was written in. |
Skyrider Deathknight
UK Corp RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:51:00 -
[264] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:War Kitten wrote:I'm surprised it was Razor and not PL.
You do realize that EVERYONE was notified of event and that not everyone plays nicely?
Welcome to Eve.
I am well aware of this. The problem is that CCP were running the event, had total control, LowSec had no dilation. So 3 jumps for us took 45 mins, Razor had nearly an hour to get organized, + they were all sat ready with 150k snipers, I logistically they are well organized but seems like they knew just were we would be. CCP even told us to jump in! This was lambs to the slaughter. I was one of the later fleet members to die watching everyone get owned the instant they get out of jump.
Actually we're on the gate at Zero :) not sniping |
Omega Gunner
hirr RAZOR Alliance
1
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:59:00 -
[265] - Quote
I was leading the Razor Fleet at that evening and that's the battlereport from our side:
We had a Maelstrom Fleet around in Curse with some friends to fight Nulli / PL / NC.
We got into Immensea where our enemies waited for us setup and ready to go. Suddenly our Scouts reported roughly 1000 "random" pilots from the CCP Event heading our way so we decided not to obliterate Nulli / NC / PL and go for more competent targets which were told to cross our home system Doril "soon". In Catch we went on a Titan that bridged us to Doril.
We changed ships to Armor Hacs (ARRRRMOOOOR HACS) and went to Sendaya Gate at 0km. We had roughly 150 Razor members in fleet at that time, awaiting 1200 "random" targets to jump into us. Ofc we expected the targets to be a bit unorganized that's why we went for it even thou the odds were against us bigtimes.
A Goonswarm Dominix Fleet showed up to help us (read: steal our kills). Random Ships jumped in and were killed before people without Sensorbooster could even lock stuff. It turned into a turkeyshoot.
Our tanks were holding until unhonorable Pandemic Legion cynoed in Snipy Coward Navy Apocs to stop us from fighting the ~goodfitez~.
Needless to say that we obliterated almost everything from the CCP Event that jumped in. Also we obliterated the PL Navy Apoc Fleet later on without losses.
Welcome to Curse. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1124
|
Posted - 2013.11.08 18:59:00 -
[266] - Quote
I think we should take a moment to congratulate Razor on getting their very own "Grr Razor!" thread that even has their name in the title. So many of our CFC bros are overshadowed by goons in this regard but they all do an awful lot of hard work in upsetting the rest of you and really deserve some recognition of their own. Way to go, Razor!
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flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1599
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Posted - 2013.11.08 19:26:00 -
[267] - Quote
Arn Dog wrote:War Kitten wrote:Arn Dog wrote: With any MMO if you join a Dev lead player event with no info of whats going on you follow them not wanting to miss out.
LOL I believe they call that "Lemming" behavior. There is no such thing as a PVE (only) event in EVE. Stop making bad assumptions. Everyone clearly knows the difference between a PVE and a PVP fit. Most people were in a PVE fit as they were given the impression this was a pirate NPC event. The response on the coms that we were going to 0.4sec 10 min's prior to the event start was shock. Most people didn't know. This was simply down to unclear communication from CCP. The situation of the sites kind of gave my fleet a good idea. Hence being in a PVP fit to the most part. Most people thought CCP had engineered some new mechanic where they were forming LS fleets (pirates) and flagging them so their could be a 0.5 sec fight. That was one of the general ideas. (temp security status drop etc) Look i went into the fight partially PVE but mostly PVP fit as i had no idea what the event was going to be. Hence i lasted one's standing of the first blood bath and actually got on a kill unlike most. The TiDi coupled with CCP FC skills and "just jump to Planet 4 when the bubble dispersers rubbish" caused loads of High Sec players to die on probably their first LS adventure. What sort of Dev doesn't know that the bubbles will just get re deployed in the instant they are down and that you wouldn't last long enough to just "warp out" Every wormholer and NullSec guy does. What takes the **** more is the actual event would have been over even if we had made it past the gate by the time we got their.
Those from the highsec block who went to syndicate where ONE jump from dodixie wich is a main trade hub.I passed by the staging system when they where leaving yet i had time to buy and fit a puriifier ... loose it , buy and refit a new ship in an npc null station from market , loose it then buy and refit a ship from null npc station market AND loose it once more and buy and refit a ship ...
I must be some kind of god to be able to do that while others did not even have the chance to refit ONCE ?
Also it was mentioned an hour before that the null sec guys should form up IN null sec.So they take the risk to go through null sec and get shot down every jump including the form up point full of neuts and reds but you guys should be totally safe from any harm done?And why would they need to form up iin null ... gosh i wonder , maybe that was a hint that pvp was about to happen?It was the only reason you did see people from null sec gathering there because they DID use their brains and could see from a mile away that there was gonna be a massive slugfest to be had.
You can whine and complain all you want , in the end it is your own fault to miss the totally clear endgoal of the event.But then some people need to have something explained out in CLEAR WORDS before they get the picture right? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5104
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Posted - 2013.11.08 19:38:00 -
[268] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:I think we should take a moment to congratulate Razor on getting their very own "Grr Razor!" thread that even has their name in the title. So many of our CFC bros are overshadowed by goons in this regard but they all do an awful lot of hard work in upsetting the rest of you and really deserve some recognition of their own. Way to go, Razor!
next up, grr gents |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1599
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Posted - 2013.11.08 19:40:00 -
[269] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:I think we should take a moment to congratulate Razor on getting their very own "Grr Razor!" thread that even has their name in the title. So many of our CFC bros are overshadowed by goons in this regard but they all do an awful lot of hard work in upsetting the rest of you and really deserve some recognition of their own. Way to go, Razor!
next up, grr gents
Grrr SMA .. now that would be awsome |
Lazy Eagle
FUITA
18
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Posted - 2013.11.08 20:00:00 -
[270] - Quote
This one...., this one made me bust my spleen. CCP took a herd of kittens to null.... what did everyone expect? |
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Anthony Blunt
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.11.08 21:22:00 -
[271] - Quote
This fits perfectly with Rubicon. Remember Caesar's crossing the Rubicon was the symbolic beginning of the end for whatever "democratic" processes that existed in Rome. A bit like General, Raymond T. Odierno Crossing the Potomac in a Main Battle tank and occupying the white house. It was the beginning of his dictatorship, it was the beginning of a long and bitter civil war.
The theme we hear so often is "here is no turning back". Yes, my dear fellow high sec carebears and station alts. This is what we will experience as the hordes of well organised well trained barbarians subjugate high sec. It will be like yesterdays bloodletting. Concord will desert us just as CCP did.
These are the last days cash out while you still can.
PS I for one welcome our new masters and await gladly my symbols of servitude and yoke.. |
Arn Dog
52
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Posted - 2013.11.08 21:31:00 -
[272] - Quote
Anthony Blunt wrote:This fits perfectly with Rubicon. Remember Caesar's crossing the Rubicon was the symbolic beginning of the end for whatever "democratic" processes that existed in Rome. A bit like General, Raymond T. Odierno Crossing the Potomac in a Main Battle tank and occupying the white house. It was the beginning of his dictatorship, it was the beginning of a long and bitter civil war. The theme we hear so often is "here is no turning back". Yes, my dear fellow high sec carebears and station alts. This is what we will experience as the hordes of well organised well trained barbarians subjugate high sec. It will be like yesterdays bloodletting. Concord will desert us just as CCP did. These are the last days cash out while you still can. PS I for one welcome our new masters and await gladly my symbols of servitude and yoke..
The thing is. CCP have made it very clear they want ppl out of H.S and into LS/NullSec. What has actually happened is ppl have run to W.H space as they got pushed out of L.S. By letting the Alliances take over H.S all they will do is push H.Sers into the stations. Many don't know how to get past all the gate camps that littler every H.S entrance. Or how to get into any of these massive alliances.
I have been in LS/NullSec many a time. Its dead as all the alliances fight over their boarder zones. I can only see H.S going the same way as this is pushed on the player base. I can see this months POCO's turning into a kill fest for all the Alliances.
The only options seem to be to join the blob or die for most of these H.S players. I think some eve players forget we were all noobs once. |
Montmazar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2013.11.08 22:00:00 -
[273] - Quote
I like the part where a few thousand roleplayers have no idea what systems in the game are dangerous or what happens in those dangerous systems. I would think knowing these things about the universe would come before making paper hats and spending time in emoticon heavy chat channels? |
Shadow Love
Dirt Diggers Inc
55
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Posted - 2013.11.09 02:39:00 -
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I jumped into Doril specifically to pod express... don't know about the rest of my bear brethren, but I didn't want to spend the next 2 hours jumping backwards through tidi amirite? I would like to extend my thanks to our friendly 0.0 alliances for facilitating my quick return to highsec. You were very efficient and accomodated me without even being asked.
Hats off to you. |
TARG AK
hirr RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.09 02:56:00 -
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destiny2 wrote:Arn Dog wrote:Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly and if it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour to get ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR and L.S Alliances? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself.
Edit: Info
The CCP Dev took command of the fleet and told them when to jump and where to warp to once "out of the bubble" Then abandoned the fleet when the slaughter started. . This coupled with the sector selection being the cornerstone of all major Null Alliance deployments currently caused a mass slaughter of over 400+ h.s pilots. You lost to rzr lol their like the backstreet boys of the CFC, now thats emberassing and you also expected null players to not chew on carebears omg,. you seriously need to get out more FYI your tears are tasty
Your just jealous due to the fact all Razor people on field received an ishukone scorpion for helping out CCP today with the live event.
Please don't hate, we earned every single one of those fine ships! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5110
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Posted - 2013.11.09 03:45:00 -
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Omega Gunner wrote:I was leading the Razor Fleet at that evening and that's the battlereport from our side:
We had a Maelstrom Fleet around in Curse with some friends to fight Nulli / PL / NC.
We got into Immensea where our enemies waited for us setup and ready to go. Suddenly our Scouts reported roughly 1000 "random" pilots from the CCP Event heading our way so we decided not to obliterate Nulli / NC / PL and go for more competent targets which were told to cross our home system Doril "soon". In Catch we went on a Titan that bridged us to Doril.
We changed ships to Armor Hacs (ARRRRMOOOOR HACS) and went to Sendaya Gate at 0km. We had roughly 150 Razor members in fleet at that time, awaiting 1200 "random" targets to jump into us. Ofc we expected the targets to be a bit unorganized that's why we went for it even thou the odds were against us bigtimes.
A Goonswarm Dominix Fleet showed up to help us (read: steal our kills). Random Ships jumped in and were killed before people without Sensorbooster could even lock stuff. It turned into a turkeyshoot.
Our tanks were holding until unhonorable Pandemic Legion cynoed in Snipy Coward Navy Apocs to stop us from fighting the ~goodfitez~.
Needless to say that we obliterated almost everything from the CCP Event that jumped in. Also we obliterated the PL Navy Apoc Fleet later on without losses.
Welcome to Curse. nice, foxcat killmails
CAT |
Om'en
The Jameson Indoctrination
2
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Posted - 2013.11.09 07:19:00 -
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Its RAZOR what else would you expect to happen? Not that RZR is good or anything, not anymore anyways. I mean c'mon they have to do something to validate how far they have fallen, instead of riding bikes in sendaya with fail op after fail op might as well bring them baby seals for them to club on a silver platter.
I havn't been payimng much attention to EVE these days, but being an ex RZR member which one of their allies is under attack?, or what war are they dodging as usually thats when they go run off to Sendaya....
Oh well the whole thing is about as interesting as Tom Cruise Admits Scientology Contributed to Katie Holmes Split http://omg.yahoo.com/blogs/celeb-news/tom-cruise-no-protect-daughter-religion-123029082.html |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8499
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Posted - 2013.11.09 09:40:00 -
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Arn Dog wrote:
It was a CCP launch event. Which turned out to be a CCP Dev high sec gift to LS/Null for cannon fodder. Please name the last event where they did this and i will surely bow to your Superior knowledge. Why don't you try reading the rest of the posts to actually understand the context that responce and in fact the responce to the response was written in.
Last event they did an entire CFC fleet was wiped out by concord less that 5 minutes after jumping into the system. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2444
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Posted - 2013.11.09 10:08:00 -
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Lazy Eagle wrote:This one...., this one made me bust my spleen. CCP took a herd of kittens to null.... what did everyone expect?
Less-than-happy kittens handing over their money to someone else? |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8499
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Posted - 2013.11.09 10:18:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Lazy Eagle wrote:This one...., this one made me bust my spleen. CCP took a herd of kittens to null.... what did everyone expect? Less-than-happy kittens handing over their money to someone else?
If people quit over this then they would have quit over some else equally as trivial. |
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
756
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:11:00 -
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Frangus wrote:Arn Dog wrote:Ok just took part of the event. This simply put was a set up by CCP to hand kills to lowsec!
How did RAZOR get set up that quickly of it wasn't for time dilation allowing then nearly an hour get get their ahead of the dilated systems! Our fleet jumped in to what was simply put... a set up. Was this CCP's present to RAZOR ? perhaps all the goons complaining about "carebears" was too much and the Dev's gave in?
I love PVP, i love the game. But this set up is utterly unacceptable!
Its this sort of **** that makes people stop playing Eve. CCP you should be ashamed of yourself. We are deployed to Doril so took like 3 min to set up the gate camp when we knew they where going through there. ^^ this is pretty much the point. Maybe the devs are simply ignorant of this fact...
Next time they might want to spawn a titan in low and get all the high seccers to bridge into VFK... Goons deserve killmails too |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2477
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Posted - 2013.11.10 05:06:00 -
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