OHHH so now to catch a single ratting ship in eve we require an inty, a dictor and 2 cruisers minimum.

I didn't fit inties with disruptors, CCP fit inties with disruptors.

Lets play a little scenario.

I'm in a Apocalypse, shooting Bloods in a Sanctum. You're in an interceptor, lets say its a Crow and you're with a friend also in a Crow. You have 2 friends who are in Cynabals. You're going to jump into a renter system, the in system side has 10 large T1 bubbles on the gate (as they usually do) and warp to the only Sanctum and tackle whatever is there. I have a depot deployed. I have 8 heavy neuts. Cap booster. Warrior 2's. 3 webs. 8 WCS. Some sensor damps and the depot filled with Cap Boost 400's.

How do you propose you're going to kill me?

Oh, is there no way to tell when they're taking down their depot? That would make things more difficult. I was thinking DSCAN personally.

Here is the actual answer.
For a start it will take you 90 seconds to lock the Crow. With your 22km Lock range. During which time all your Warriors are easily dead, the Cynabals are on you in lets give you a generous 30 seconds, giving them 60 seconds to burn through your massive 31k EHP. Meaning between two Cynabals they only need to do 500dps.... So in reality they only need 30 seconds to kill you after they warp in.
So all the Interceptor has to do is hold you there by bumps or scrams for 30 seconds, which given you have to refit then align as you were at 0 speed isn't too much to ask, and then between the three of them you are easily held. at which point you are still 30 seconds away from even locking the interceptor when you die. So your heavy neuts & webs never even enter the game.

These times are of course, somewhat generous in your favour, and with the right implants & skill, that's probably 40 seconds, not 60 they take to kill you.

No, to kill the most pathologically well prepared ratting battleship in the game, you probably need a Dictor, and maybe some other stuff.

For the more normal well prepared ratting ship, who doesn't immediately drop an MD as soon as he lands on an anom, you just need to do ~18k damage in the first minute (300 average DPS).

EDIT: My mistake, you only need to do ~3750 damage in the first 60s (62.5dps)



I just assembled an Inty hull. Where's my CCP-fitted disruptor?

You can't DSCAN that. Even if you could, you would have to be in system. One of the reasons that CCP introduced the changes to inties is because as soon as you enter system normally you have literally seconds before a ratter warps to POS or station. They don't sit there and let you dscan them. But they're usually stupid and go to the highest level anom in the system so if you jump an inty in and warp to the highest level anom you can now catch a ratter who is not aligned.

Well should be able to catch a ratter however the geniuses at CCP decided that you could refit while under attack so now given that an intie can usually only fit and run one disruptor (its bonuses capwise to be able to do that) they will simply see the intie enter system, they will click their depot, fit the wcs, scoop the depot and warp out.

Zero has changed in regards to making inties useful, instead of making it easier to catch people, they've made it literally impossible to catch anyone with a depot. Having played EVE for a while, its easy to predict that every ratter will soon be sitting beside a depot in the future.

Infinity Ziona getting beat down with facts, it must be Tuesday.

Apoc has 7 low slots. Do you know how fast you can unfit your lows and fit your wcs? It'll be long gone before those Cynabals even clear the bubble.

I didn't bring a big enough bucket to collect the tears in this thread...

DICTOR.

Isn't this still coming down to "A properly prepared opponent can get away before I can get them locked down"? Is that really not the way it should be?

Today i found a raven in a wormhole, tackled it. He had setup a mobile depot and refit to warp core stabs to escape (very clever). I cant imagine this was its primary purpose but its seems like it could be abused. Solo is hard enough without have to bring 3 faction scrams to make sure you can catch PVE BS. I think that maybe you should not be able to refit if you have an agression timmer. Am I the only one who thinks this is a silly game mechanic or am i way off? Thanks

Here is the actual answer.
For a start it will take you 90 seconds to lock the Crow. With your 22km Lock range.

Last I checked dictors didn't get bubble immunity. While your dictor is mwd'ing the renter bubble camp your Apoc is docking... The whole point of the changes to inties was so they could tackle shite... ffs Now you're suggesting its cool they can't do that cause dictors can?

Yes.

WellGǪ except for the part where you can quite easily ruin all the preparation in a single shot, but it requires some sneaking and finesse to get that shot in.


GǪso in the first instance, nothing has changed, and in the second instance, the point of the change was that inties could now overtake fleeing ships andGǪ wellGǪ intercept them. As it happens, depots do not interfere with that particular aspect at all.

Oh so they're capable of chasing down a fleeing ship, as in being able to warp to it before it warps off.

No, as in if it tries to run away, they will arrive wherever it is going first and stop them. You knowGǪ intercept them.

Well we know where they'll be warping to won't we. Right to their precious I WIN button to fit some stabs... you have to be moronic to believe the depot is balanced.

Well we know where they'll be warping to won't we.

Right to their precious I WIN button to fit some stabs.

Everything in this thread confirms that I was right to passionately support the introduction of these modules.

Everything in this thread confirms that I was right to passionately support the introduction of these modules.

Unless they shelled out for a Yurt. Those things are going to be very hard to scan down. But they should be at 500m isk.

Nice to see CSM hard at work turning EVE into WOW.