Today i found a raven in a wormhole, tackled it. He had setup a mobile depot and refit to warp core stabs to escape (very clever). I cant imagine this was its primary purpose but its seems like it could be abused. Solo is hard enough without have to bring 3 faction scrams to make sure you can catch PVE BS. I think that maybe you should not be able to refit if you have an agression timmer. Am I the only one who thinks this is a silly game mechanic or am i way off? Thanks

Today i found a raven in a wormhole, tackled it. He had setup a mobile depot and refit to warp core stabs to escape (very clever). I cant imagine this was its primary purpose but its seems like it could be abused. Solo is hard enough without have to bring 3 faction scrams to make sure you can catch PVE BS. I think that maybe you should not be able to refit if you have an agression timmer. Am I the only one who thinks this is a silly game mechanic or am i way off? Thanks

Ah, I see how it works. Carebares complain about PvPers ruining their game and the whole forum goes into turbojerk mode and pounces on them, but when a PvPer complains that they got outwitted by a carebare then everyone sends them flowers of condolence?

I cant imagine this was its primary purpose but its seems like it could be abused.

Ah, I see how it works. Carebares complain about PvPers ruining their game and the whole forum goes into turbojerk mode and pounces on them, but when a PvPer complains that they got outwitted by a carebare then everyone sends them flowers of condolence?

he, you could have anchored a bubble...

Today i found a raven in a wormhole, tackled it. He had setup a mobile depot and refit to warp core stabs to escape (very clever). I cant imagine this was its primary purpose but its seems like it could be abused. Solo is hard enough without have to bring 3 faction scrams to make sure you can catch PVE BS. I think that maybe you should not be able to refit if you have an agression timmer. Am I the only one who thinks this is a silly game mechanic or am i way off? Thanks

On the whole, I'm more worried about the passive effect of local grids getting fouled up because of all these "huts" being set up.

I don't think they should be deployable/anchorable any closer than 1,000 KM from an npc station and having them banned from 1.0, 0.9 and 0.8, just like Giant Secure Cans, isn't a bad idea either.

After all the effort over the years to reduce lag...

Ah, I see how it works. Carebares complain about PvPers ruining their game and the whole forum goes into turbojerk mode and pounces on them, but when a PvPer complains that they got outwitted by a carebare then everyone sends them flowers of condolence?

Today i found a raven in a wormhole, tackled it. He had setup a mobile depot and refit to warp core stabs to escape (very clever). I cant imagine this was its primary purpose but its seems like it could be abused. Solo is hard enough without have to bring 3 faction scrams to make sure you can catch PVE BS. I think that maybe you should not be able to refit if you have an agression timmer. Am I the only one who thinks this is a silly game mechanic or am i way off? Thanks

Ah, I see how it works. Carebares complain about PvPers ruining their game and the whole forum goes into turbojerk mode and pounces on them, but when a PvPer complains that they got outwitted by a carebare then everyone sends them flowers of condolence?

Ah, I see how it works. Carebares complain about PvPers ruining their game and the whole forum goes into turbojerk mode and pounces on them, but when a PvPer complains that they got outwitted by a carebare then everyone sends them flowers of condolence?

l2p & biomass yourself.

I always smile when a raven outsmarts someone

Reinforce the depot + kill raven = no need to QQ on forums about it.

Make friends. Work together.

Uhh

Yeah sympathetic as f***

Today i found a raven in a wormhole, tackled it. He had setup a mobile depot and refit to warp core stabs to escape (very clever). I cant imagine this was its primary purpose but its seems like it could be abused. Solo is hard enough without have to bring 3 faction scrams to make sure you can catch PVE BS. I think that maybe you should not be able to refit if you have an agression timmer. Am I the only one who thinks this is a silly game mechanic or am i way off? Thanks

Today i found a raven in a wormhole, tackled it. He had setup a mobile depot and refit to warp core stabs to escape (very clever). I cant imagine this was its primary purpose but its seems like it could be abused. Solo is hard enough without have to bring 3 faction scrams to make sure you can catch PVE BS. I think that maybe you should not be able to refit if you have an agression timmer. Am I the only one who thinks this is a silly game mechanic or am i way off? Thanks

l2p & biomass yourself.

I love L2P responses regarding items in game less than a week.

@OP If you're doing 300 DPS or more you could have killed the depot before it was fully anchored, preventing him from refitting off it. They have horrid EHP, and you have 60 seconds to kill it.

depot was already set up

Question for those saying just shoot the depot first: I guess it depends on the range of the ship but in many cases won't needing to stay by the depot give the target the opportunity to get out of point range?

Today i found a raven in a wormhole, tackled it. He had setup a mobile depot and refit to warp core stabs to escape (very clever). I cant imagine this was its primary purpose but its seems like it could be abused. Solo is hard enough without have to bring 3 faction scrams to make sure you can catch PVE BS. I think that maybe you should not be able to refit if you have an agression timmer. Am I the only one who thinks this is a silly game mechanic or am i way off? Thanks

Ah, I see how it works. Carebares complain about PvPers ruining their game and the whole forum goes into turbojerk mode and pounces on them, but when a PvPer complains that they got outwitted by a carebare then everyone sends them flowers of condolence?

Wow guys really? A soloer has a genuine concern and you say "bring friends"?

WHAT THE ****!?

Soloing in eve is an honourable and interesting thing, are you REALLY content to have it nerfed?

Cause if you are just so you can selfishly dominate people with your friends, get ******.

OP, if it isn't possible to reinforce the structure before he can refit, this tactic is overpowered, plain and simple.

Can't believe people actually want to make carebearing even easier lol.

It wouldn't be a terrible idea to make it so that the mobile depot could be one shotted into reinforce mode or something like that.

Soloing in eve is an honourable and interesting thing

Soloing in eve is an honourable and interesting thing, are you REALLY content to have it nerfed?

A solo Raven pilot used the new mobile depot to defeat OP in a 1v1. Sounds like solo is working just fine.

Evading PvP solo is not the same as fighting solo.

Ratters refitting to PvP modules and not warp core stabs would be a lot less of an issue.

Evading PvP solo is not the same as fighting solo.

Ratters refitting to PvP modules and not warp core stabs would be a lot less of an issue.

Ah, I see how it works. Carebares complain about PvPers ruining their game and the whole forum goes into turbojerk mode and pounces on them, but when a PvPer complains that they got outwitted by a carebare then everyone sends them flowers of condolence?

I heard a story today about a poor little ratting thanatos that got hotdropped and scrammed by a big nasty nyx.

The thanatos dropped a depot, refitted to warp corestabs and moonwalked out on 8% structure

Who told you this? It's just a sign that you're not able to make friends.

should've used a revenant

should've used a revenant

How is that revenant to the whining of the OP?

Seriously, someone outsmarted mr OP I'm a solo man.. I actually didn't think of keeping warpstabs in my cargo along with a depot.. I'm so going to put those in.. might come in handy somewhere.

You could have:

1. Brought friends
2. Brought a HIC
3. Bumped him out of alignment
4. Brought a Interdictor
5. Fit more/better scrams

Instead you come to the forum and whine about someone being better at Eve than you are. HTFU and learn to play.

On the whole, I'm more worried about the passive effect of local grids getting fouled up because of all these "huts" being set up.

I don't think they should be deployable/anchorable any closer than 1,000 KM from an npc station and having them banned from 1.0, 0.9 and 0.8, just like Giant Secure Cans, isn't a bad idea either.

After all the effort over the years to reduce lag...

It has no primary purpose.
It's a tool for players to use to come up with new ways of approaching the various problems they face in the game.

Maybe you shouldn't have attacked him in a place where he was free to refit to match your moves, hmmGǪ?

**** this is perfect :'D

Dear CCP, please buff depot hitpoints.

it strange that you can refit while your tackled... thats houldnt be possible if you ask me..

Ah, I see how it works. Carebares complain about PvPers ruining their game and the whole forum goes into turbojerk mode and pounces on them, but when a PvPer complains that they got outwitted by a carebare then everyone sends them flowers of condolence?

Because the tactic was used against the op, it is deemed to be bad and gamebreaking.

Something tells me that if the op had thought of the tactic himself first, he would be flaunting it as the greatest thing since sliced bread. (Not that sliced bread is really that great.)

That's a really good idea. Thanks for the tip!

I`ll have you understand that sliced bread totally IS awesome. It has the awesomeness of leading us to Sandwiches. How can you consider it not that great?

As for the OP, my comment goes to the raven.

GG well played.

Lol this is very true.

Just noticed that op is complaining about tackling a Raven who then put down a mobile depot, refitted off it, and escaped.

How bad can you get? Seriously, just destroy the mobile depot. You have a full minute to chew through 17.5k EHP - about as much as a Harbinger with no tank mods or skills.

this is just another example of how ******** most EVE "PVPers" really are. They are too used to fighting against targets that have no recourse and have come to expect the easy-mode kills that EVE formerly provided.

We need this depot fixed such that it cannot be used during combat.

The reason WCS were nerfed was because people were fitting all lows with them, that was fixed but that I Win button has just been reintroduced.

There are other ways to refit in space while under fire. Should they all be disabled during "combat", or just the mobile depot's refitting service?


You seem to have a problem with warp core stabilizers, so why call for a nerf to mobile depots? You could just as easily solve the problem with a nerf to low slots or a buff to warp scramblers/disruptors . . . or, I guess you could directly address the problem that you have with people flying away while you are shooting them.

this is just another example of how ******** most EVE "PVPers" really are. They are too used to fighting against targets that have no recourse and have come to expect the easy-mode kills that EVE formerly provided.

I made a thread about this in F&I last week.

Fail argument - Bring an heavy interdictor. Cause they can cloak in WH right? Won't work on T3s without focused.
Fail argument - fit more scrams. So a tackler now needs to fit up to 4 scrams to tackle one ship.
Fail argument - anchor a bubble. So we warp in, ask the guy to wait while we deploy a bubble and it anchors. Won't work on T3,s.
Fail argument - bring friends. Because the only way we should be able to catch a single ship is by ganking them. Remember for each ship you'll need a focused interdictor or a tackler with at least 4 scrams, for 8 low slot ships one will need to be a +3 of course.
Fail argument - put it into reinforced. It has 18k EHP. To reinforce it before he can right click and auto load his fit you're going to need about 3kdps.

I'm just curious what the problem is with bringing enough scrams to do the job. You know they can refit... "But I don't WANT to have to do that!" is not the same thing as 'The game is broken now'. The game is DIFFERENT now.

We get it, you want easymode kills to pad your KB stats. Heaven forbid you have to actually work for it.

I'm just curious what the problem is with bringing enough scrams to do the job. You know they can refit... "But I don't WANT to have to do that!" is not the same thing as 'The game is broken now'. The game is DIFFERENT now.

You realise that most tacklers only have max 4 mids if that, they usually need a prop mod, web, scram and some form of tank - .... And your 'don't attack ships if they have a mobile depot out' - speechless...

EvE's New Carebearism doctrine at its finest.

You realise that most tacklers only have max 4 mids if that, they usually need a prop mod, web, scram and some form of tank - .... And your 'don't attack ships if they have a mobile depot out' - speechless...

EvE's New Carebearism doctrine at its finest.

Yeah must be that - I want easy kills. Heaven forbid you have to actually use your brain to properly pre-fit your ship before you carebear rather than throwing all your escape mods in a depot.

Oh NM you're a goon, this mod is a boon for your new renters... I see how it managed to get past the dev's stupidar now.

I`ll have you understand that sliced bread totally IS awesome. It has the awesomeness of leading us to Sandwiches. How can you consider it not that great?

.

The only other ways to refit are if you're in a very expensive capital ship. That can be tackled and killed. Or using a very expensive industrial cap ship, which can be tackled and killed. Both of which do not reinforce, do not' cost 2 million isk.

Tell me more about all the caps you have killed solo.

I don't know what's better.


The 1001 inventive or creative ways players use new stuff.


Or the 1001 complaints from players who did not or would not adapt and lost some green on their killboards, or ISK in their wallet.

Fail argument - Bring an heavy interdictor. Cause they can cloak in WH right? Won't work on T3s without focused.
Fail argument - fit more scrams. So a tackler now needs to fit up to 4 scrams to tackle one ship.
Fail argument - anchor a bubble. So we warp in, ask the guy to wait while we deploy a bubble and it anchors. Won't work on T3,s.
Fail argument - bring friends. Because the only way we should be able to catch a single ship is by ganking them. Remember for each ship you'll need a focused interdictor or a tackler with at least 4 scrams, for 8 low slot ships one will need to be a +3 of course.
Fail argument - put it into reinforced. It has 18k EHP. To reinforce it before he can right click and auto load his fit you're going to need about 3kdps.

We need this depot fixed such that it cannot be used during combat.

I don't know what's better.


The 1001 inventive or creative ways players use new stuff.


Or the 1001 complaints from players who did not or would not adapt and lost some green on their killboards, or ISK in their wallet.

I hope CCP does NOTHING to change MDs. Not because I am for or against them and how they are used or will be used (I have not used them and no plans for it), but for the entertainment .

Screw me, I....I......I....I agree with Herzog Wolfhammer.

That coldness under your feet it hell freezing over.

No. None of those arguments fail. Quite the opposite, in fact: they provide working and easily available solutions to the (non-)problem. Just beacause you can't or won't employ strategies that work doesn't mean the strategies are invalid.

Why?

It's like you live in some kind of bubble where the actual content of the thread can't touch you.

No. None of those arguments fail. Quite the opposite, in fact: they provide working and easily available solutions to the (non-)problem. Just beacause you can't or won't employ strategies that work doesn't mean the strategies are invalid.

Why?

Maybe you should bring a ship that is up to the task? I.e. choose a ship with more mid slots and/or a armor tanking ship. With 2 RF warp scramblers, the target needs to have 6 stabs fitted to warp away, why is that not an option?

1. You cannot fit more scrams than you have mid slots. This module removes any functionality that a interceptor has regarding CCP's supposed "they're supposed to intercept". Please Tippia, explain to me how any interceptor can intercept a ship that can fit more WCS than an inty can fit disruptors? Or do you think inties should fit scrams now and orbit at 10k? Even if they did, still not enough scrams.

Tell me how we're supposed to jump into a renter system with a 10 large bubbles on a gate, tackle a ratter and stay alive long enough to keep him there with our 3 scrams, no prop mod, tank, cap injector? Do we now use 8 interceptors to tackle one battleship? Don't be foolish. How about when we have to tackle a carrier? Oh and what about that battleship that has 8 heavy neuts in his depot, or a bunch of ECM, or sensor damps, or RLML.

i like it how you advice to use 2x RF scramblers of tackler

looks like goons these days have no ideas about market prices.... and about pvp in general....

Is it real sign of Eve finally dumbed down?

You're fantastic as saying nothing while sounding like the authoritive voice of CCP. That's pretty much what you did there say nothing and pretend you provided an answer.

All of those arguments fail.

1. You cannot fit more scrams than you have mid slots. This module removes any functionality that a interceptor has regarding CCP's supposed "they're supposed to intercept". Please Tippia, explain to me how any interceptor can intercept a ship that can fit more WCS than an inty can fit disruptors? Or do you think inties should fit scrams now and orbit at 10k? Even if they did, still not enough scrams.

Tell me how we're supposed to jump into a renter system with a 10 large bubbles on a gate, tackle a ratter and stay alive long enough to keep him there with our 3 scrams, no prop mod, tank, cap injector? Do we now use 8 interceptors to tackle one battleship? Don't be foolish. How about when we have to tackle a carrier? Oh and what about that battleship that has 8 heavy neuts in his depot, or a bunch of ECM, or sensor damps, or RLML.

2. Was a joke, but its funny to see you say its a viable option. Yes, lets ask the target to sit around while our bubbles anchor :)

3. Bring friends... as I said above, every gang needs 8 interceptors now to tackle one ship? The very idea of actually small and solo pvp is so ludicrous we don't need it in the game right? Silly me after 10 years thinking I should be able to tackle a ship all by myself...

4. To put an 18k depot into reinforced in a tackling ship is impossible before the owner can click it and refit, it takes several seconds to refit.

i like it how you advice to use 2x RF scramblers of tackler

looks like goons these days have no ideas about market prices.... and about pvp in general....

Is it real sign of Eve finally dumbed down?

Which of these was different before the mobile depot? Well, yeah, they can change their fit in space now... but before, if they had fit those scrams before undocking, you still wouldn't be able to lock them down, right? So no difference.

Yeah those RF's will be great once the target fits the heavy neuts, 3 webs and a bunch of warrior II's from his depot... you can sell them and buy something nice for your ratting ship. Or you could wait for me to run out of cap since my inty is bonused for disruptors...

You know you can run missions and get those scramblers for a lot cheaper than on market.

You're fantastic as saying nothing while sounding like the authoritive voice of CCP. That's pretty much what you did there say nothing and pretend you provided an answer.

All of those arguments fail.

1. You cannot fit more scrams than you have mid slots.

3. Bring friends... as I said above, every gang needs 8 interceptors now to tackle one ship?

4. To put an 18k depot into reinforced in a tackling ship is impossible before the owner can click it and refit, it takes several seconds to refit.

Do you even play EvE?

Okay, wait, I thought he was running away? Now your enemy is staying and fighting! Isn't that what you wanted? Why didn't you put together a fit that would kill someone who stays and fights?

welcome to pvp mate o/

(there is big secret no one ever speaks of: there are different fits for different purposes)

Have fun and get some kills!

You cannot fit more scrams than you have mid slots. This module removes any functionality that a interceptor has regarding CCP's supposed "they're supposed to intercept". Please Tippia, explain to me how any interceptor can intercept a ship that can fit more WCS than an inty can fit disruptors?

Tell me how we're supposed to jump into a renter system with a 10 large bubbles on a gate, tackle a ratter and stay alive long enough to keep him there with our 3 scrams, no prop mod, tank, cap injector?

Yes, lets ask the target to sit around while our bubbles anchor

Bring friends... as I said above, every gang needs 8 interceptors now to tackle one ship?

To put an 18k depot into reinforced in a tackling ship is impossible before the owner can click it and refit, it takes several seconds to refit.

Okay, wait, I thought he was running away? Now your enemy is staying and fighting! Isn't that what you wanted? Why didn't you put together a fit that would kill someone who stays and fights?

Those are challenges to be over come, not broken thens for CCP to legislate away. The purpose of a game is to find new and neat ways to do things. But you don't want that, you simply seem to want guaranteed success.

You mean to tell me that you can bring an alt to do plexes in someone elses space (your scout that you have mentioned numberous times) but you can't train that all for a light dictor? How long does it take a light dictor to burn out of bubbles and warp to your inty that has the tackle?

Lol. They're not challenges. They're impossibilities.

So by your logic to tackle one ratting ship we now need:

1 interceptor - jumps through gate, intitial tackle.
1 dictor - jumps through gate after initial tackle, burns 30-45k to get out of bubble and warps to inti, which is nueted, webbed, scrammed and being slaughtered by warrior II's.
1 Hictor - jumps through gate after initial tackle, burns 30 - 45k to get out of bubble and warps to dead inti, and probably dead dictor. Finds nothing cause it was a T3 which switched to nullifier and WCS and warped out of dictor bubble...

Yay.

LMAO. So many bears in one thread. I'm predicting they'll get a nerf, either that or people will just leave a PvP game where you cannot actually PvP because of one fail module by whatever fail dev thought it was a great idea...

Why don't we just give all the ships in game, the same number of inbuilt warp strength points as they have low slots... easier, will attract a lot of people that normally wouldn't play EVE due to its 'harshness'.

:)

By ensuring he doesn't get the chance to fit nothing but WCSes or by bringing more misdlots or by using methods that don't care about warp stability points.[\quote]

Try shooting **** that shoots back if you don't like being outsmarted by PVE folk. Baaaaw don't give PVEers more tools baaaaw i wanna make them cwy baaaaw.
******* nerd.

4people with scrams. Cynabals on drone duty with their autocannons not needing cap. Warriors die as that is their only source of dps. Focus fire on apoc as it is not tanked. If cap doesnt hold because of neuting, have intys bump with cynabals to prevent the apoc from aligning.

Try shooting **** that shoots back if you don't like being outsmarted by PVE folk. Baaaaw don't give PVEers more tools baaaaw i wanna make them cwy baaaaw.
******* nerd.

I mostly PvE actually. I can still make you cry. I suspected this nerf was coming and have trained up 7 SB's and got myself an ISBoxer account for when I want to make you cry. Don't come whining to forums when I uncloak my Proteus and 7 SB and blow you the hell up ;)



LMAO. Simple math. Inties = 1 disruptor. Cynabals = 1 scram each. 6 vs 8 WCS. Fail

Suck it up, nerd.

Lets play a little scenario.

I'm in a Apocalypse, shooting Bloods in a Sanctum. You're in an interceptor, lets say its a Crow and you're with a friend also in a Crow. You have 2 friends who are in Cynabals. You're going to jump into a renter system, the in system side has 10 large T1 bubbles on the gate (as they usually do) and warp to the only Sanctum and tackle whatever is there. I have a depot deployed. I have 8 heavy neuts. Cap booster. Warrior 2's. 3 webs. 8 WCS. Some sensor damps and the depot filled with Cap Boost 400's.

How do you propose you're going to kill me?

Erm, why do you think you're automatically supposed to win in a fight like that, where the targeted pilot has done enough (by thinking ahead about what stuff to carry around in his cargo hold) to survive?

snip BS

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Yeah um, 4 pvp fit ships which had to think ahead and plan their fits vs 1 pve ratter. Fugging absolutely 100% they're supposed to win if he can't warp out.

What planning did he do but throw a bunch of just in case mods in a depot. You have zero credibility Jenn. You're simply happy you can now carebear in null in 200% safety instead of the old 100% right?

I'm not the bitching about PvE'ers being smart and PvPers not getting easy kills.
Also ironic. You PvE more but dislike PvEers having more tools to help them survive in lowsec, etc. Lolwat m8.

EvE is supposed to be difficult. What fun is it for me if I can sit in an anom next to an I Win Button with zero risk. I might as well go play World of Warcraft.

EvE is fun because its risky, today I was flying around Pure Blind with a weeks worth of anom loot (billions in mods and bpcs) in a billion isk Ishtar ninja'ing anoms. I had to sneak it through a couple of wormholes, jump in low sec and red rover to high. That's fun for me.

I sometimes spend hours sitting in a covert ops watching people in a hub system, visually checking their ships for weapons, figuring out their patterns and then I kill them based on that intel. Now its going to be warp to target, target refits and nuets, jams, damps, trackign disrupts or fits wcs and laughs in local as they're leaving.

Perfectly boring shite gameplay.

Lets play a little scenario.

I'm in a Apocalypse, shooting Bloods in a Sanctum. You're in an interceptor, lets say its a Crow and you're with a friend also in a Crow. You have 2 friends who are in Cynabals. You're going to jump into a renter system, the in system side has 10 large T1 bubbles on the gate (as they usually do) and warp to the only Sanctum and tackle whatever is there. I have a depot deployed. I have 8 heavy neuts. Cap booster. Warrior 2's. 3 webs. 8 WCS. Some sensor damps and the depot filled with Cap Boost 400's.

How do you propose you're going to kill me?

Yeah um, 4 pvp fit ships which had to think ahead and plan their fits vs 1 pve ratter. Fugging absolutely 100% they're supposed to win if he can't warp out.

What planning did he do but throw a bunch of just in case mods in a depot. You have zero credibility Jenn. You're simply happy you can now carebear in null in 200% safety instead of the old 100% right?

Get in another site and login trap it, or bingo the next site he goes to while he is midwarp. Before Rubicon you were not going to catch a ratter on the ready in the first place if you go through a bubbled gate, and your example showcases a ratter on the ready.

Just like ratters were not ready before Rubicon and you caught them, you will catch unready ones after Rubicon.

To play your scenario, land on the site fast (Rubicon) with the ceptor and bump him out of depot range before he has a lock on you. During the same reaction time you had earlier to escape, you will now have to refit the stabs. Getting out of the bubbles was a time sink comparable to the apoc's align time earlier. However, the ones without the escape depot will be out of luck versus the now overpowered ceptor tackle.

So when they were sheep to the slaughter, that was exciting game play, but now that they can fight back, it's boring.

See what I mean, totally self centered way of thinking. You discredit yourself with every post.

The difference here is clearly distinctive. I have to do a lot of work gathering intel, prefitting my ship, I can't drop a depot and anchor it then refit in the middle of a fight lol.

What why the guy refits his stabs or neuts and runs away or caps me out? We both know that's horseshite.

All a PvE ship now has to do is put whatever GTFO mods he needs, really only WCS and its impossible to kill them.

Yes its great for you carebears however for EVE and for PvPr's or people like me that do both, its easily the worst and most game imbalancing change that has ever occurred in EVE in the last 10 years. The doctrine of rock paper scissors and the 90% of your PvP is done in station just flew right out the window with in combat refitting 2 million isk depots.

No, that's 4 PvP ships that haven't put any thought into how to fit their ships in something like a year (Hint, the Apoc could also MJD away from the Intys pretty effectively) losing out on a kill because their target has decided to render himself immobile and take several extra minutes at each and every anom to deploy and scoop a Mobile depot to provide himself with extra safety.


Before the patch, all he had to do to get the same level of safety was "be aligned."

Infinity, you are NOT a PvPer. Don't insult us by saying you are. You're a gankbear. That's it. A PvPer looks for fights, gudfites. Gankbears look for ganks, easy kills, and pews.
It's people like you that get PvPers a bad rep for being psychos.

Infinity, you are NOT a PvPer. Don't insult us by saying you are. You're a gankbear. That's it. A PvPer looks for fights, gudfites. Gankbears look for ganks, easy kills, and pews.
It's people like you that get PvPers a bad rep for being psychos.

Kill them while their mobile depot gets set up, or right as they're taking it down.

Sorry but in EVE we don't play paladin and pirate. Everyones a pirate. You don't look for fair fights here, you look for advantages. Wrong game for you I think.

You keep offering common sense solutions.

The thing is, people like Infinity don't want solutions, they want fixes. It doesn't matter that they could figure it out for themselves, they want CCP to do it for them, that's their mindset.


You might be able to change someone's mind, you will never change their mindset.

I didn't fit the ships so how did they fail to fit their ships properly?

LMAO. Simple math. Inties = 1 disruptor. Cynabals = 1 scram each. 6 vs 8 WCS. Fail

I should have thought of this. I guess all inties will need to be pyschic and not jump into until they know the target is setting up or taking down their depot. Or perhaps we could have a Setting Up and Taking Down Depot channel where ratters could inform inty pilots when they're about to do that....

Jesus H Obama...

I have a depot deployed. I have 8 heavy neuts. Cap booster. Warrior 2's. 3 webs. 8 WCS. Some sensor damps and the depot filled with Cap Boost 400's.

How do you propose you're going to kill me?

Jesus H Obama...

Evading PvP solo is not the same as fighting solo.

Ratters refitting to PvP modules and not warp core stabs would be a lot less of an issue.

All of my mega will be sporting these just because of this thread.

"When men are full of envy they disparage everything, whether it be good or bad."

Ahem.



Also, you limited yourself to 2 Intys, 2 Cruisers. 1 Inty, 1 Dictor, 2 Cruisers is a much better option for the scenario of "trying to kill the most pathologically well prepared ratter in EVE".

Yeah, but what are you going to do? Replace all the nanofibres with other nanofibres?

Can I have your stuff before you leave for WoW?

(seriously, less QQ, more pewpew)

Arguing with you people is like arguing with the lobotomized.

My last word is - it will be changed, either they will nerf it or they will lose pvp'rs.

OHHH so now to catch a single ratting ship in eve we require an inty, a dictor and 2 cruisers minimum.

I didn't fit inties with disruptors, CCP fit inties with disruptors.

Lets play a little scenario.

I'm in a Apocalypse, shooting Bloods in a Sanctum. You're in an interceptor, lets say its a Crow and you're with a friend also in a Crow. You have 2 friends who are in Cynabals. You're going to jump into a renter system, the in system side has 10 large T1 bubbles on the gate (as they usually do) and warp to the only Sanctum and tackle whatever is there. I have a depot deployed. I have 8 heavy neuts. Cap booster. Warrior 2's. 3 webs. 8 WCS. Some sensor damps and the depot filled with Cap Boost 400's.

How do you propose you're going to kill me?

Oh, is there no way to tell when they're taking down their depot? That would make things more difficult. I was thinking DSCAN personally.

Here is the actual answer.
For a start it will take you 90 seconds to lock the Crow. With your 22km Lock range. During which time all your Warriors are easily dead, the Cynabals are on you in lets give you a generous 30 seconds, giving them 60 seconds to burn through your massive 31k EHP. Meaning between two Cynabals they only need to do 500dps.... So in reality they only need 30 seconds to kill you after they warp in.
So all the Interceptor has to do is hold you there by bumps or scrams for 30 seconds, which given you have to refit then align as you were at 0 speed isn't too much to ask, and then between the three of them you are easily held. at which point you are still 30 seconds away from even locking the interceptor when you die. So your heavy neuts & webs never even enter the game.

These times are of course, somewhat generous in your favour, and with the right implants & skill, that's probably 40 seconds, not 60 they take to kill you.

No, to kill the most pathologically well prepared ratting battleship in the game, you probably need a Dictor, and maybe some other stuff.

For the more normal well prepared ratting ship, who doesn't immediately drop an MD as soon as he lands on an anom, you just need to do ~18k damage in the first minute (300 average DPS).

EDIT: My mistake, you only need to do ~3750 damage in the first 60s (62.5dps)



I just assembled an Inty hull. Where's my CCP-fitted disruptor?

You can't DSCAN that. Even if you could, you would have to be in system. One of the reasons that CCP introduced the changes to inties is because as soon as you enter system normally you have literally seconds before a ratter warps to POS or station. They don't sit there and let you dscan them. But they're usually stupid and go to the highest level anom in the system so if you jump an inty in and warp to the highest level anom you can now catch a ratter who is not aligned.

Well should be able to catch a ratter however the geniuses at CCP decided that you could refit while under attack so now given that an intie can usually only fit and run one disruptor (its bonuses capwise to be able to do that) they will simply see the intie enter system, they will click their depot, fit the wcs, scoop the depot and warp out.

Zero has changed in regards to making inties useful, instead of making it easier to catch people, they've made it literally impossible to catch anyone with a depot. Having played EVE for a while, its easy to predict that every ratter will soon be sitting beside a depot in the future.

Infinity Ziona getting beat down with facts, it must be Tuesday.

Apoc has 7 low slots. Do you know how fast you can unfit your lows and fit your wcs? It'll be long gone before those Cynabals even clear the bubble.

I didn't bring a big enough bucket to collect the tears in this thread...

DICTOR.

Isn't this still coming down to "A properly prepared opponent can get away before I can get them locked down"? Is that really not the way it should be?

Today i found a raven in a wormhole, tackled it. He had setup a mobile depot and refit to warp core stabs to escape (very clever). I cant imagine this was its primary purpose but its seems like it could be abused. Solo is hard enough without have to bring 3 faction scrams to make sure you can catch PVE BS. I think that maybe you should not be able to refit if you have an agression timmer. Am I the only one who thinks this is a silly game mechanic or am i way off? Thanks

Here is the actual answer.
For a start it will take you 90 seconds to lock the Crow. With your 22km Lock range.

Last I checked dictors didn't get bubble immunity. While your dictor is mwd'ing the renter bubble camp your Apoc is docking... The whole point of the changes to inties was so they could tackle shite... ffs Now you're suggesting its cool they can't do that cause dictors can?

Yes.

WellGǪ except for the part where you can quite easily ruin all the preparation in a single shot, but it requires some sneaking and finesse to get that shot in.


GǪso in the first instance, nothing has changed, and in the second instance, the point of the change was that inties could now overtake fleeing ships andGǪ wellGǪ intercept them. As it happens, depots do not interfere with that particular aspect at all.

Oh so they're capable of chasing down a fleeing ship, as in being able to warp to it before it warps off.

No, as in if it tries to run away, they will arrive wherever it is going first and stop them. You knowGǪ intercept them.

Well we know where they'll be warping to won't we. Right to their precious I WIN button to fit some stabs... you have to be moronic to believe the depot is balanced.

Well we know where they'll be warping to won't we.

Right to their precious I WIN button to fit some stabs.

Everything in this thread confirms that I was right to passionately support the introduction of these modules.

Everything in this thread confirms that I was right to passionately support the introduction of these modules.

Unless they shelled out for a Yurt. Those things are going to be very hard to scan down. But they should be at 500m isk.

Nice to see CSM hard at work turning EVE into WOW.