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Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS
Harmonic Convergence
175
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:23:00 -
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Also, discussions like this are why I love EVE.
"Here is OP thing."
"It's not OP, you just have to do THIS to beat it."
There's always some way.
Also, the fact that MDs exist doesn't mean everyone's using it. Or that it makes sense for everyone to use it. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
835
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:23:00 -
[152] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Anslo wrote:I'm not the bitching about PvE'ers being smart and PvPers not getting easy kills.
Also ironic. You PvE more but dislike PvEers having more tools to help them survive in lowsec, etc. Lolwat m8. EvE is supposed to be difficult. What fun is it for me if I can sit in an anom next to an I Win Button with zero risk. I might as well go play World of Warcraft. EvE is fun because its risky, today I was flying around Pure Blind with a weeks worth of anom loot (billions in mods and bpcs) in a billion isk Ishtar ninja'ing anoms. I had to sneak it through a couple of wormholes, jump in low sec and red rover to high. That's fun for me. I sometimes spend hours sitting in a covert ops watching people in a hub system, visually checking their ships for weapons, figuring out their patterns and then I kill them based on that intel. Now its going to be warp to target, target refits and nuets, jams, damps, trackign disrupts or fits wcs and laughs in local as they're leaving. Perfectly boring shite gameplay. So when they were sheep to the slaughter, that was exciting game play, but now that they can fight back, it's boring. See what I mean, totally self centered way of thinking. You discredit yourself with every post.
LMAO. They were never sheep to the slaughter. You don't have to fit your ship for max DPS, max Ken Therm, or EM, or leave off a heavy neut or scram. People CHOOSE to do that and that makes them weak against a PVP ship.
The difference here is clearly distinctive. I have to do a lot of work gathering intel, prefitting my ship, I can't drop a depot and anchor it then refit in the middle of a fight lol. What why the guy refits his stabs or neuts and runs away or caps me out? We both know that's horseshite.
All a PvE ship now has to do is put whatever GTFO mods he needs, really only WCS and its impossible to kill them.
Yes its great for you carebears however for EVE and for PvPr's or people like me that do both, its easily the worst and most game imbalancing change that has ever occurred in EVE in the last 10 years. The doctrine of rock paper scissors and the 90% of your PvP is done in station just flew right out the window with in combat refitting 2 million isk depots. |
Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS
Harmonic Convergence
175
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:25:00 -
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Hull tank. When they've gotten through your shields and armor, they'll think they've got you and stay and fight. Meanwhile, you kill them. |
Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS
Harmonic Convergence
176
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:26:00 -
[154] - Quote
Kill them while their mobile depot gets set up, or right as they're taking it down. |
Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
3542
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:27:00 -
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Infinity, you are NOT a PvPer. Don't insult us by saying you are. You're a gankbear. That's it. A PvPer looks for fights, gudfites. Gankbears look for ganks, easy kills, and tears.
It's people like you that get PvPers a bad rep for being psychos.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
3497
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:30:00 -
[156] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:
The difference here is clearly distinctive. I have to do a lot of work gathering intel, prefitting my ship, I can't drop a depot and anchor it then refit in the middle of a fight lol.
Why can't you?
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What why the guy refits his stabs or neuts and runs away or caps me out? We both know that's horseshite.
No we don't, we kow it's competition. That's the poiint, you don't want competition, you want a kill.
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All a PvE ship now has to do is put whatever GTFO mods he needs, really only WCS and its impossible to kill them.
Dictors. Neuts of your own.
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Yes its great for you carebears however for EVE and for PvPr's or people like me that do both, its easily the worst and most game imbalancing change that has ever occurred in EVE in the last 10 years. The doctrine of rock paper scissors and the 90% of your PvP is done in station just flew right out the window with in combat refitting 2 million isk depots.
You can harken bakc to the olden days all you like LOL. Adapt of leave. I dind't see you complaining about how unfair it all was when people like me had to gimp our fits with things like stabs or MJDs etc in station just to rat because people like you existed. now suck up some of your own medicine.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
835
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:30:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Yeah um, 4 pvp fit ships which had to think ahead and plan their fits vs 1 pve ratter. Fugging absolutely 100% they're supposed to win if he can't warp out.
What planning did he do but throw a bunch of just in case mods in a depot. You have zero credibility Jenn. You're simply happy you can now carebear in null in 200% safety instead of the old 100% right? No, that's 4 PvP ships that haven't put any thought into how to fit their ships in something like a year (Hint, the Apoc could also MJD away from the Intys pretty effectively) losing out on a kill because their target has decided to render himself immobile and take several extra minutes at each and every anom to deploy and scoop a Mobile depot to provide himself with extra safety. Before the patch, all he had to do to get the same level of safety was "be aligned."
I didn't fit the ships so how did they fail to fit their ships properly? |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
835
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:32:00 -
[158] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Infinity, you are NOT a PvPer. Don't insult us by saying you are. You're a gankbear. That's it. A PvPer looks for fights, gudfites. Gankbears look for ganks, easy kills, and pews.
It's people like you that get PvPers a bad rep for being psychos.
Sorry but in EVE we don't play paladin and pirate. Everyones a pirate. You don't look for fair fights here, you look for advantages. Wrong game for you I think.
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
8790
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:32:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Infinity, you are NOT a PvPer. Don't insult us by saying you are. You're a gankbear. That's it. A PvPer looks for fights, gudfites. Gankbears look for ganks, easy kills, and pews.
It's people like you that get PvPers a bad rep for being psychos.
Last week infinity was the games best complex runner.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
3497
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:32:00 -
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Jythier Smith wrote:Kill them while their mobile depot gets set up, or right as they're taking it down.
You keep offering common sense solutions.
The thing is, people like Infinity don't want solutions, they want fixes. It doesn't matter that they could figure it out for themselves, they want CCP to do it for them, that's their mindset.
You might be able to change someone's mind, you will never change their mindset.
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Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS
Harmonic Convergence
176
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:35:00 -
[161] - Quote
I know, I'm sorry, I'll stop offering solutions.
CCP should just nerf mobile depots. Make mobile depots not allow you to change your fit. It's the only way. |
Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
3543
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:35:00 -
[162] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Anslo wrote:Infinity, you are NOT a PvPer. Don't insult us by saying you are. You're a gankbear. That's it. A PvPer looks for fights, gudfites. Gankbears look for ganks, easy kills, and pews.
It's people like you that get PvPers a bad rep for being psychos. Sorry but in EVE we don't play paladin and pirate. Everyones a pirate. You don't look for fair fights here, you look for advantages. Wrong game for you I think.
Who cares about paladin or pirate? I'm saying pvpers look for fights they may or may not win. PvPers dont hunt carebears or people who can't fight back for lulz.
Most importantly, PvPers don't ***** on the forums that they can't kill a carebear easily.
If you want easy kills, I suggest WoW or WoT.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
835
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:37:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:Kill them while their mobile depot gets set up, or right as they're taking it down. You keep offering common sense solutions. The thing is, people like Infinity don't want solutions, they want fixes. It doesn't matter that they could figure it out for themselves, they want CCP to do it for them, that's their mindset. You might be able to change someone's mind, you will never change their mindset.
I should have thought of this. I guess all inties will need to be pyschic and not jump into until they know the target is setting up or taking down their depot. Or perhaps we could have a Setting Up and Taking Down Depot channel where ratters could inform inty pilots when they're about to do that....
Jesus H Obama... |
Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS
Harmonic Convergence
176
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:43:00 -
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Oh, is there no way to tell when they're taking down their depot? That would make things more difficult. I was thinking DSCAN personally. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
4362
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:44:00 -
[165] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Yeah um, 4 pvp fit ships which had to think ahead and plan their fits vs 1 pve ratter. Fugging absolutely 100% they're supposed to win if he can't warp out.
What planning did he do but throw a bunch of just in case mods in a depot. You have zero credibility Jenn. You're simply happy you can now carebear in null in 200% safety instead of the old 100% right? No, that's 4 PvP ships that haven't put any thought into how to fit their ships in something like a year (Hint, the Apoc could also MJD away from the Intys pretty effectively) losing out on a kill because their target has decided to render himself immobile and take several extra minutes at each and every anom to deploy and scoop a Mobile depot to provide himself with extra safety. Before the patch, all he had to do to get the same level of safety was "be aligned." I didn't fit the ships so how did they fail to fit their ships properly?
Ahem.
Infinity Ziona wrote:LMAO. Simple math. Inties = 1 disruptor. Cynabals = 1 scram each. 6 vs 8 WCS. Fail
Also, you limited yourself to 2 Intys, 2 Cruisers. 1 Inty, 1 Dictor, 2 Cruisers is a much better option for the scenario of "trying to kill the most paranoid, best prepared ratter in EVE".
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
3497
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:44:00 -
[166] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:Kill them while their mobile depot gets set up, or right as they're taking it down. You keep offering common sense solutions. The thing is, people like Infinity don't want solutions, they want fixes. It doesn't matter that they could figure it out for themselves, they want CCP to do it for them, that's their mindset. You might be able to change someone's mind, you will never change their mindset. I should have thought of this. I guess all inties will need to be pyschic and not jump into until they know the target is setting up or taking down their depot. Or perhaps we could have a Setting Up and Taking Down Depot channel where ratters could inform inty pilots when they're about to do that.... Jesus H Obama...
So you're saying it's difficult to know when this is happening.
Well, people do say that EVE should be difficult...Wait, that was YOU who said that.
Can you see the double standard? You're saying EVE should be hard for other people , but then YOU always ask for things to be made easier for you. You want no local so you can gank (you said as much in features and ideas), you wanted a place to dock and refit because 72 jumps was too hard. You want CCP to nerf depots because planning ahead and belong creative is too hard.
The last time I witness such unbridled self-centeredness I was in divorce court. Your real name isn't Tammy is it?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17543
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:44:00 -
[167] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:I have a depot deployed. I have 8 heavy neuts. Cap booster. Warrior 2's. 3 webs. 8 WCS. Some sensor damps and the depot filled with Cap Boost 400's.
How do you propose you're going to kill me?
By spotting the depot and picking something other than crows and cynabals. He's prepared; I need to prepare back. Alternatively, I gamble on the DPS the four ships put out. Each needs to deliver 1,000 HP damage to reinforce the thing GÇö a tall:ish order for the crows, but quick enough for the Cynabals.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Paranoid Loyd
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:47:00 -
[168] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jesus H Obama...
I have watched the degradation and increasing entitlement feeling coming from your posts. You are much too intelligent to be doing anything but trolling at this point. I hope you are enjoying yourself, if you are not please find something else to do.
If you are not trolling it is time to take a long break from the game.
Your posts have stopped making any sense and it is just sad now. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
6456
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:48:00 -
[169] - Quote
Diamond Zerg wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Diamond Zerg wrote:
Soloing in eve is an honourable and interesting thing, are you REALLY content to have it nerfed?
A solo Raven pilot used the new mobile depot to defeat OP in a 1v1. Sounds like solo is working just fine. Evading PvP solo is not the same as fighting solo. Ratters refitting to PvP modules and not warp core stabs would be a lot less of an issue.
Evading a fight isn't evading PVP.
Evading fights is in of itself PVP.
EVE Online - An Unstable Game |
Ot3ma
1
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:49:00 -
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moar tears!
CCP's done a great job of generating both carebear and gankbear tears! |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
8790
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:54:00 -
[171] - Quote
All of my mega will be sporting these just because of this thread.
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Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS
Harmonic Convergence
176
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:57:00 -
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People using MDs - not crying.
People against people using MDs - crying
Totes unbalanced! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17543
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:58:00 -
[173] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:All of my mega will be sporting these just because of this thread.
Yeah, but what are you going to do? Replace all the nanofibres with other nanofibres? 
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Remiel Pollard
A Powerful Lowsec Corporation
1979
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Posted - 2013.11.26 18:02:00 -
[174] - Quote
Tacitus wrote:"When men are full of envy they disparage everything, whether it be good or bad."
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
835
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Posted - 2013.11.26 18:08:00 -
[175] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Yeah um, 4 pvp fit ships which had to think ahead and plan their fits vs 1 pve ratter. Fugging absolutely 100% they're supposed to win if he can't warp out.
What planning did he do but throw a bunch of just in case mods in a depot. You have zero credibility Jenn. You're simply happy you can now carebear in null in 200% safety instead of the old 100% right? No, that's 4 PvP ships that haven't put any thought into how to fit their ships in something like a year (Hint, the Apoc could also MJD away from the Intys pretty effectively) losing out on a kill because their target has decided to render himself immobile and take several extra minutes at each and every anom to deploy and scoop a Mobile depot to provide himself with extra safety. Before the patch, all he had to do to get the same level of safety was "be aligned." I didn't fit the ships so how did they fail to fit their ships properly? Ahem. Infinity Ziona wrote:LMAO. Simple math. Inties = 1 disruptor. Cynabals = 1 scram each. 6 vs 8 WCS. Fail Also, you limited yourself to 2 Intys, 2 Cruisers. 1 Inty, 1 Dictor, 2 Cruisers is a much better option for the scenario of "trying to kill the most pathologically well prepared ratter in EVE".
OHHH so now to catch a single ratting ship in eve we require an inty, a dictor and 2 cruisers minimum. I guess we should add a Hictor as well since those pesky T3 can fit nullifiers. Should we perhaps add a titan and a super as well just in case.
I didn't fit inties with disruptors, CCP fit inties with disruptors. Or do you think they should be fitting all their mids with scrams, no prop mod and slowboat around the target?
Arguing with you people is like arguing with the lobotomized.
My last word is - it will be changed, either they will nerf it or they will lose pvp'rs. |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
8794
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Posted - 2013.11.26 18:11:00 -
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Tippia wrote:baltec1 wrote:All of my mega will be sporting these just because of this thread. Yeah, but what are you going to do? Replace all the nanofibres with other nanofibres?
I can fit stabs or even take my forever mwd fit with me when using my nano cruiser fit. My mega can adapt on the fly!
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Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
3543
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Posted - 2013.11.26 18:12:00 -
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Can I have your stuff before you leave for WoW?
(seriously, less QQ, more pewpew)
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Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS
Harmonic Convergence
176
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Posted - 2013.11.26 18:14:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Can I have your stuff before you leave for WoW?
(seriously, less QQ, more pewpew)
How can there be any pewpew when you can't catch anybody? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17544
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Posted - 2013.11.26 18:16:00 -
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By the way, maybe I have an outdated version of pyfa, but it sure looks like a bomber can pretty much insta-reinforce a deployed depotGǪ
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
3501
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Posted - 2013.11.26 18:18:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:
Arguing with you people is like arguing with the lobotomized.
My last word is - it will be changed, either they will nerf it or they will lose pvp'rs.
We throw around the term delusional a lot around here, but no other word fits. The bolded part is the worse, the classic "appeal to CCPs wallet" BS.
In that last sentence you demonstrate that you think other people will respond (irrationally) like you have. The problem is, not to many other people have the same problem you do. Despite mobile depots, PVE ships are fallingout of the sky left right up down and sideways in null sec now (because this is EVE, the game that gives people tools....that they ignore even after getting blown up lol).
Feel free to be mad that CCP is giving people more tools with which to generate interesting game play (the epic carebear who refits and fights you off deserves to win), but don't bother with thinking anyone else agrees with you, least of all CCP.
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