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Oort
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Posted - 2004.04.11 03:24:00 -
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hehehe, EVE in Java... Man, this way u'd never login with more than 100 people online, Java is the worst framework in questions of performance... (I program in Java for more than 3 years and p###d off already)
And problem of multi-platform solution like EVE is not a language or framework, but graphic implimentation (DX or GL) and _obviously_ CCP went to DX because of its performance and spectacularity.
You can tell whatever about WineX and so on, but miracles don't happen and _emulation_ will _always_ work worse than an original, so, as somebody said, for what to spend 1000$ more in hardware if u can spend 100$ in Windows and install it as second system just for games. (I use Linux for each-day needs and WinXP for games).
Waiting for your "why I HAVE TO use windows for tralala" I'll answer "u don't have to. just don't play EVE and thats all." CCP won't waste thousands of $$, weeks of time and won't sacrify image quality of the game because of some minority of M$ haters.
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Chimera Ur
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Posted - 2004.05.05 14:50:00 -
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 Originally by: DeathBunny
Even though its emulated people still get more FPS then other boxes which means its running much faster.
Although you've never managed to get a linux box up and running (which is about as easy to install as XP), you know that linux is so fast that even while emulating DX through OpenGL (which has less functionality and works totally different) it still runs faster than XP?
Dream on.
CCP developed in DirectX because it's a much more advanced framework than OpenGL is (and will ever be). You can do a lot of cool stuff in DirectX with much less effort, and sinds 99% of the playerbase uses a Wintel system anyway, it's only logical to develop for Linux/Windows. The few people that are not going to sign up because there's no Linux port are probably very not worth the effort. Fixing bug/implementing new stuff is.
Windows 2k/XP are very efficient OS-es, you really can't compare them with the 9x series. Besides, linux boxes also crash when you use crappy hardware 
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Chimera Ur
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Posted - 2004.05.05 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Oort
hehehe, EVE in Java...
*grin*
Did you ever take a look at Java3D? It's crap, and Sun has abandoned it because no one would ever consider using it to make an actual game. Microsofts 'Java', C#, can use DirectX 9, is just as nice to program in (IMHO it's even better language-wise), and actually fast enough.
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.05.05 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Chimera Ur
Besides, linux boxes also crash when you use crappy hardware
Why do you bring the hardware in to defend an OS? Crappy hardware will make any OS crash, the interesting is what OS runs stable on stable hardware.
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Chimera Ur
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Posted - 2004.05.06 07:52:00 -
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Originally by: Scorpyn
Originally by: Chimera Ur
Besides, linux boxes also crash when you use crappy hardware
Why do you bring the hardware in to defend an OS? Crappy hardware will make any OS crash, the interesting is what OS runs stable on stable hardware.
Because the prime reason for crashes IS actually hardware! Load of folks that build their own machine, or have one build to specs. A high end videocard and CPU is a nice think to have, but such a system becomes useless if the power supply can't manage when you run GPU/CPU intensive applications.
XP runs very stable here, never had real crashes, and hanging programs could always be killed using taskmanager. Heck, my company develops a database system, and that's windows based, and runs just fine.
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Brainlag
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Posted - 2004.05.24 12:26:00 -
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Just a quick note to say anyone considering using VMWare to play Eve under Linux is out of luck. I tried that one the other day and failed since VMWare doesn't bridge/emulate any 3D acceleration.
Also, the WineX CVS won't run Eve past the splash screen, so don't expect a working release anytime soon... :(
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Cyberwizzard
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Posted - 2004.05.24 23:53:00 -
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Whether or not to spend $1000 more on top hardware to run EVE emulated is up to the user. To be honest, I don't really like XP - not because MS made it - so I rather use linux. But I can't do stuff in Linux while I'm running XP to play EVE now can I? :)
I have a top-notch pc that runs EVE like a charm. If going to linux means I've got to lower the res and disable some effects, so be it. It won't stop me from running EVE in linux.
So my main point is this: I think we're out of luck as far as CCP porting EVE to linux. However, Transgaming will eventually support DX9 and as of that support EVE :)
So now we have to wait for Transgaming and I got to say, I'm not ginving them a dollar until they got EVE up and running. :D
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Evon Garr
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Posted - 2004.05.25 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Chimera Ur
CCP developed in DirectX because it's a much more advanced framework than OpenGL is (and will ever be).
You shouldn't compare DirectX with OpenGL.
OpenGL handles graphics only 2D/3D.
DirectX handles:
Input (DirectInput)
Sound (DirectSound)
2D (DirectDraw)
3D (Direct3D)
Network (DirectPlay)
MIDI (DirectMusic)
So you should compare D3D with OGL.
And the other DX stuff with say SDL (Simple Directmedia Layer)
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Logan Rawls
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Posted - 2004.06.24 18:44:00 -
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I'd like to throw my $0.02's worth into this discussion. I've been a 100% Linux user since 1998, and have been very happy with it. I was once a knee-jerk M$ hater, but since, have let go of that to realize that there are many good reasons for running either OS. The best thing for everybody is choice, and a mainstream alternate OS like Linux can do nothing but good for the PC community even if only by making MS have to actually compete against something and make their products work better.
Linux-native ports of games are actually beginning to show up on the radar these days, and I think this is a sign of things to come. It's not a sign that M$ will be out of business by the end of fiscal 2006, but that Linux is gaining widespread acceptance, and that the broader userbase will cause software vendors to realize that making cross-platform products is financially justified.
I agree with a few posts in this thread that the comparison should not be between OpenGL and DX, but between SDL and DX. I feel that SDL is an excellent API, and that more software houses should consider using it simply because it allows for relatively effortless cross-platform compatability in their games. I realize that SDL is not as developed as DX is. I have been working with SDL a bit, and realize that the services it offers are not as extensive as DX, but this is certainly being addressed by the SDL team.
Does anyone know whether games like Americas Army and UT2004 use SDL in their windows incarnations? I know for a fact that their Linux counterparts do, and when running them, they are indistinguishable from the Windows versions.
I know it's insane to think that CCP would perform a total re-rwrite to use SDL in stead of DX at this point in time, but it would instantly make available total cross-platform compatability (including those poor forgotten MAC users!) and allow the developers to reach a broader base of users than otherwise.
As far as WINE goes - I'm about to try installing it and making Eve run in Wine. My current machine's a minor powerhouse, and if it can run Eve under WINE then it should probably be able to do so at the performance level of the Windows box that I currently play Eve on at my neighbor's house. I just want to be able to play when he's not home, or asleep. 
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Evon Garr
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Posted - 2004.06.27 13:34:00 -
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Transgaming have released Winex 4 (renamed to Cedega) and it should have support for DirectX 9.0.
For more info look Here
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xemous
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Posted - 2004.06.27 13:49:00 -
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yeh i just installed eve using cedegar,
still dosetn work, isntall worked, dx9 worked, but when i boot up eve, splash screen is ok but the bit were the license agreement comes on, the screen is just white, and the mouse wont work over the screen, so you can press accept or scroll, thats if you can see tham anyway
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Hail Storm
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Posted - 2004.06.27 20:51:00 -
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Yep, i tried installing it too.
License agreement comes up as white and no mouse cursor visible.
Frustrating as it looks just a little bit is missing.
My Linux machine is much more powerful than the windows machine i use to play Eve. It would be really nice to be able to play eve in linux. Only game that would get me to subscribe to Transgaming, really.
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xemous
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Posted - 2004.06.28 01:31:00 -
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i can get pasted the user lisence and into the login screen, and then logon, by using my old cache files, once thats successfull the game just dies :D
no eve0r for linus!
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2004.07.01 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: xemous
i can get pasted the user lisence and into the login screen, and then logon, by using my old cache files, once thats successfull the game just dies :D
no eve0r for linus!
Possible Graphics Card Problem...sounds like it...Drivers (Linux)...maybe in need of Update prior to Eve being compatable...just a hunch...
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2004.07.01 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: xemous
i can get pasted the user lisence and into the login screen, and then logon, by using my old cache files, once thats successfull the game just dies :D
no eve0r for linus!
Possible Graphics Card Problem...sounds like it...Drivers (Linux)...maybe in need of Update prior to Eve being compatable...just a hunch...
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wobegong
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Posted - 2004.07.02 14:41:00 -
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Maybe if yuo really want 100% Linux you would want to substitute Eve for Vendetta......
http://www.vendetta-online.com/
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wobegong
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Posted - 2004.07.02 14:41:00 -
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Maybe if yuo really want 100% Linux you would want to substitute Eve for Vendetta......
http://www.vendetta-online.com/
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2004.07.07 05:31:00 -
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Anyone managed to get eve to run on linux?
Anyone?
/me falls on his kness and begs.
I can play eve from work  ...
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2004.07.07 05:31:00 -
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Anyone managed to get eve to run on linux?
Anyone?
/me falls on his kness and begs.
I can play eve from work ...
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LNX Flocki
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Posted - 2004.07.08 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Feta Solamnia
Anyone managed to get eve to run on linux?
Anyone?
/me falls on his kness and begs.
I can play eve from work ...
Have you read the thread ? There are people who were able to login and do things in stations. Not much more, but it's a start. Also check this thread over at transgaming.org: http://transgaming.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=84
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LNX Flocki
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Posted - 2004.07.08 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Feta Solamnia
Anyone managed to get eve to run on linux?
Anyone?
/me falls on his kness and begs.
I can play eve from work ...
Have you read the thread ? There are people who were able to login and do things in stations. Not much more, but it's a start. Also check this thread over at transgaming.org: http://transgaming.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=84
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Okala Vigo
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Posted - 2004.07.11 13:47:00 -
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Throwing my hat in the ring too - I just got hooked on Eve, right before I was getting ready to re-setup my linux partition and switch over, and then thought DOH!
Maybe the larger this thread gets, the more CCP will take it seriously - Eve for Linux!
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Okala Vigo
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Posted - 2004.07.11 13:47:00 -
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Throwing my hat in the ring too - I just got hooked on Eve, right before I was getting ready to re-setup my linux partition and switch over, and then thought DOH!
Maybe the larger this thread gets, the more CCP will take it seriously - Eve for Linux!
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Vabashiah
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Posted - 2004.07.13 15:04:00 -
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I got eve running just like you others have... allthough I have undocked and redocked safely... but the main problem is that you have no cursor.... without it everything is hard to do... but want you CAN do is train new skills and such... might even be able to refine some stuff and other trade things at the station... there is a long way to go... but it works kinda :)
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Vabashiah
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Posted - 2004.07.13 15:04:00 -
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I got eve running just like you others have... allthough I have undocked and redocked safely... but the main problem is that you have no cursor.... without it everything is hard to do... but want you CAN do is train new skills and such... might even be able to refine some stuff and other trade things at the station... there is a long way to go... but it works kinda :)
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Takari
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Posted - 2004.08.03 12:56:00 -
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In trying to run EvE on Linux myself via Cedega, I've noticed that I and most other people get the initial "import 'site' failed use -v...' error just before the splash screen pops up. I think this has a great deal to do with the problem. I've noticed EvE uses alot of embedded python to do it's initial stages of graphics loading. The site.py file is what looks to be setting the initial paths for where eve will find the textures/shaders/etc it needs. I think the failure to load the site.py might be the cause of the white screen/no cursor problem.
Also if you do a 'opengl-update xorg-x11' (or if you use xfree instead of xorg 'opengl-update xfree86' ) then you can see more of the login screen, unfortunately it's so slow as to be completely unusable.
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Takari
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Posted - 2004.08.03 12:56:00 -
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In trying to run EvE on Linux myself via Cedega, I've noticed that I and most other people get the initial "import 'site' failed use -v...' error just before the splash screen pops up. I think this has a great deal to do with the problem. I've noticed EvE uses alot of embedded python to do it's initial stages of graphics loading. The site.py file is what looks to be setting the initial paths for where eve will find the textures/shaders/etc it needs. I think the failure to load the site.py might be the cause of the white screen/no cursor problem.
Also if you do a 'opengl-update xorg-x11' (or if you use xfree instead of xorg 'opengl-update xfree86' ) then you can see more of the login screen, unfortunately it's so slow as to be completely unusable.
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Vabashiah
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Posted - 2004.08.15 16:25:00 -
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Bring More Life to Linux and EVE... see http://eve.linux.dk
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Vabashiah
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Posted - 2004.08.15 16:25:00 -
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Bring More Life to Linux and EVE... see http://eve.linux.dk
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LNX Flocki
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Posted - 2004.08.15 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Vabashiah
Bring More Life to Linux and EVE... see http://eve.linux.dk
Yay \o/
*signed*
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