Quite frankly, considering the fact that PvE players have been and still are complaining about undesired interaction, your comment amount to a pile of BS.

They're just complaining louder.

Honestly, undesired interaction could use a buff. They went too far with Crimewatch and all that other stuff.

I strongly suspect that the "only plays in high sec" type player is a minority (and a disinterested, disorganized minority at that), as evidenced by high sec inability and sheer unwillingness to group together for anything like fighting goons or electing CSMs. In other words, the mythical high sec majority is just that, a myth.

I would go even further. I suspect that the majority of this minority is not coming to the forums to complain about anything (sorry Pipa and Tippia, no hard numbers). Most "only plays in high sec" players either don't frequent the forums or are just as fed up with people complaining and begging for changes to game mechanics as those people who classify themselves as null and lo-sec players.

Most of us high sec players like the game exactly as it is. Most of us don't want 100% safety. We also don't want a lawless suckfest but we understand what this game is and adapt and pilot our ships accordingly.

If you actually played the game you would know about the hundreds of changes CCP has made to the game that inhibited and hindered most facets of hisec.

This is why so many Low and Null Sec players have HS alts to make money with.

This can be fixed in 2 ways:
Make HS relatively less safe (i.e. make it absolutely less safe or make other areas absolutely more safe)
Make HS relatively less rewarding (i.e. make it absolutely less rewarding or make other areas absolutely more rewarding)

And by "nerfing" HS, what effect does that have on low and null sec players using those alts in HS to make money?

I think I get where you're coming from but what is the end result? What is the vision? I guess I would like to know the specifics of how this would be done and to what end?

They start being able to make money where they live.



You should be able to make more money in less safe areas. The whole "higher risk gets higher reward" principle.
There should be an actual decision to make between accepting a lower income in the safety of HS and accepting higher risk in the high income zones of Low and Null sec. Right now, you can get high income and high safety at the same time, so there's no reason to make your income in Null.

And where is the balance point for that? At what point does the income differential actually overcome the desire for relative safety and resulting reduction of effort?

They start being able to make money where they live.

You should be able to make more money in less safe areas. The whole "higher risk gets higher reward" principle.There should be an actual decision to make between accepting a lower income in the safety of HS and accepting higher risk in the high income zones of Low and Null sec. Right now, you can get high income and high safety at the same time, so there's no reason to make your income in Null.

That's a question that can only be answered empirically. Make small changes to the income levels of PvE in both areas then wait and see the metrics. HS is going to have to be nerfed though (primarily l4s and Incursions), even if only because that's far simpler than buffing every other source of income in a balanced way.

HS Industry, on the other hand, needs to be kicked hard. Right now HS offers unlimited quantities of free slots in perfect safety. There is no way to make nullsec compete with that without breaking the game, so it has to be nerfed a lot. (I make my ISK off of HS industry.)

So the idea is to nerf HS because Null sucks? I thought that was where all the awesome stuff comes from. T2 BPOs and crazy profitable ore and such.

I get it! There is too much carrot and not enough stick in HS. I can fly missions all day long and rarely fear for getting my ship blown up. But the connection that I'm still not seeing is why nerfing HS helps anyone. Nerfing HS does not change the fact that Null sucks ISK-wise and no amount of changing HS alone is going to make Null suck any less in that regard.

Nerfing HS (which is the outlying high value area for income) is far simpler than trying to buff every other source of income evenly.

HS is popular because it is better than Nullsec for making money.

I'm not sure this is completely accurate.

I obviously can't speak for everyone in HS but part of the reason I have no desire to head over to Null has little to do with making money.

... and next you will list some successful pure PvP MMOs. Good luck with that.

Hello.

My prediction: Suddenly EVE becomes much more fun, and a better game in general.

Bots are no longer worthwhile as they make easy targets for PvPers.
The EVE economy becomes dominated by intelligent humans, not machines or "bot aspirant" grinders.

Due to the rapid deflation of the market, low and nullsec players find it much easier to use ingame methods to make ISK
(as their main competition, the botting/multiboxing afk/semi afk hisec players' advantage has been nullified.)

Solo and small gang pvp can now be found in abundance as there are targets and organisations of varying sizes everywhere.

Politics and the metagame get a lot deeper as even PvE focused gamers would have to consider how other players affect their gameplay.


What are your thoughts on what would happen if CCP finally nerfed hisec?

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Hold on a minute guys, I'm getting a lot of replies about how the hisec PvE population will quit.

To me, this doesn't make much sense. There are many other games with a much more focused, sophisticated PVE experience.

Why would many PvE gamers play a game that doesn't have much PvE content?

That's a question that can only be answered empirically. Make small changes to the income levels of PvE in both areas then wait and see the metrics. HS is going to have to be nerfed though (primarily l4s and Incursions), even if only because that's far simpler than buffing every other source of income in a balanced way.

To me, this doesn't make much sense. There are many other games with a much more focused, sophisticated PVE experience.

Why would many PvE gamers play a game that doesn't have much PvE content?

What happens when we find that your hypothesis is wrong, and what drives null sec pilots to make ISK in hi sec is the AFK safety, knowing full well that the potential income in null sec is an order of magnitude higher but requires them to be at-keyboard? What about the players to care bear it up in hi sec to avoid CTAs?

Would a reduction in the numbers of people in hi sec by players leaving the game be a "win" or "lose" outcome for you?

Frankly, all these threads about nerfing highsec when the problem is nullsec profitability are becoming tiresome.

Actually, nullsec offers a better absolute income than highsec, it has already been debated in other threads and admitted by all that if the actual income in nullsec is inferior to highsec it's because nullseccers typically interrupt their activity when their infoweb tell them a non-blue is nearby.

And highsec is not absolutely risk free, it's enough to look up osmon, jita, lanngisi and apanake podkill/day to realize it, so let's throw this idea of total babysitting out of the window, it's simply not true.

Why would anyone leave the game?
If you're living in HS full time, there's no change in your lifestyle, the point tally just goes up a little slower.
If you're living in Nullsec, you can now make more money more conveniently since you no longer have to commute.

Potential income in nullsec is almost identical to that of HS.

If you're living in Nullsec, you can now make more money more conveniently since you no longer have to commute.

Despite CCP continually pointing out that the greatest ISK faucets are null sec anomalies? This is what led to the anomaly nerf of 2011 (announced while FanFest was in full swing).

Is there a reason why people can't just pay their sub and play the game as it is? I swear, CCP Devs must absolutely hate their jobs. All day, every day:

Nerf ganking!
Buff ganking!
Nerf AFK Cloaker *******!
Nerf Drone Assist!
Nerf SuperCapitals!
Nerf Incursions!
Nerf Bastion Modules!
Change Bastion Modules!
******* MTU got me killed - MTU is ******* fail! (MTU for CSM!)
Nerf High Sec!
Nerf Null Sec!
Buff Corpses!

All day long - these poor bastards at CCP put together a pretty ******* awesome game and everyone playing it apparently ******* hates it because they come here on a daily basis to argue about the changes that it absolutely must have or:

Eve will die
I and my 8 accounts will quit
Things will be unbalanced
The sky will fall
Player base will stagnate
New players will leave

Seriously, what kind of sense does that make?

Despite CCP continually pointing out that the greatest ISK faucets are null sec anomalies? This is what led to the anomaly nerf of 2011 (announced while FanFest was in full swing).

Pretty sure this is out of date. Can't find the source but i think incursion payouts are currently topping the list of injected isk.

Despite CCP continually pointing out that the greatest ISK faucets are null sec anomalies? This is what led to the anomaly nerf of 2011 (announced while FanFest was in full swing).

Commute? Do you even play the game? Why would you commute from null sec to hi sec when you can use alts or jump clones to travel instantaneously?

Commuting is regular travel between one's place of residence and place of work or full-time study.

And as far as people in Nullsec making more money - how? If all you're doing is lowering rewards or adding risk in HS, that does not equal an increase in income in Null. If you want to make more money in Null - lobby to buff Null income. Or are you talking income relative to HS? In which case the question becomes why is important to nerf this part of the game, not for the benefit of anyone, but just because?

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