The biggest fleets of bots i've ever seen were in null. The total lack of so-called bot hunters there points to the disingenous nature of the pinheads who want to hit non-combat ships in hisec.
Mining and belt ratting bots are and will be safe from your terrible ideas. All of them.

Because treating a video game market similar to the world market and using terminology such as "inflation" to describe an isk pool which was larger today than is was yesterday is relevant.

CCP hired a Ph.D economist several years ago for the express purpose of analyzing EVE economics. He's still there.
I'd say it's relevant.

And said economist made comments in latest CSM minutes. Well worth reading since they disprove any kind of 'inflation' theory anyway.

The biggest fleets of bots i've ever seen were in null. The total lack of so-called bot hunters there points to the disingenous nature of the pinheads who want to hit non-combat ships in hisec.
Mining and belt ratting bots are and will be safe from your terrible ideas. All of them.

...Solo and small gang pvp can now be found in abundance as there are targets and organisations of varying sizes everywhere...

Oh sure. I was meaning those comments are relevant to the whole isk faucets are causing inflation arguments people like to spout off about. When the latest comments he made actually show the average player has less isk, not more.

Oh sure. I was meaning those comments are relevant to the whole isk faucets are causing inflation arguments people like to spout off about. When the latest comments he made actually show the average player has less isk, not more.

I really isn't particularly controversial, unless you're a forums alt who stirs up **** without basis for disagreement, that highsec PVE-only players contribute nothing to the game except their continuous injection of ISK into the economy, causing inflation. They don't produce content. They just leach off what the game provides. About the only positive thing that can be said is that they still pay a sub fee (or buy PLEX which is basically the same).

Because those are nullbears. They're a sub-species.

The nullbear accepts that he may have to leave highsec, but his Fear levels are if anything even higher than the average carebear.

You can name them anyhow you want. They are still carebears and some of their reactions are even more adorable than from those from hisec.

By the way i don't see any differences between flying an expensive ship in "secure" space full of random gankers and flying the ship in deep empty nullspace. (where jumps per hr < 2)

The nullbears tend to not fly bling ships. The falsely perceived safety of highsec makes their particular carebears more daring with bringing out the shinies.

Where did you get this data from? It smells funny.

I, too can provide some anecdotal "evidence" and bullshit to try and make my point. Here watch:

Are 10/10 plexes run in Sentry Domis or Blinged out Carriers and Nightmares?

I know what I see in 10/10 plexes, and it sure isn't T1 BS. But you can bet your Astarte that in every major L4 hisec hub there is standard T2 fit Domis hauling their T1 (and some T2) sentries into missions.

TVP's start mach fit might be expensive. TVP's starter Maelstrom fit however is not. They start with T1 BS's. So, get facts right on that front.

TVP's start mach fit might be expensive. TVP's starter Maelstrom fit however is not. They start with T1 BS's. So, get facts right on that front.

the mach fit is pretty much t2 last time i looked at the mailing list. the bulk of the 1.2bn isk price tag is the hull, not the modules.

The TVP starter mach has tech2 rigs now (and 1 t1 ancillary rig). The hull is only like 800 mil now.

Hello.

My prediction: Suddenly EVE becomes much more fun, and a better game in general.

Bots are no longer worthwhile as they make easy targets for PvPers.
The EVE economy becomes dominated by intelligent humans, not machines or "bot aspirant" grinders.

Due to the rapid deflation of the market, low and nullsec players find it much easier to use ingame methods to make ISK
(as their main competition, the botting/multiboxing afk/semi afk hisec players' advantage has been nullified.)

Solo and small gang pvp can now be found in abundance as there are targets and organisations of varying sizes everywhere.

Politics and the metagame get a lot deeper as even PvE focused gamers would have to consider how other players affect their gameplay.


What are your thoughts on what would happen if CCP finally nerfed hisec?

Edit:

Hold on a minute guys, I'm getting a lot of replies about how the hisec PvE population will quit.

To me, this doesn't make much sense. There are many other games with a much more focused, sophisticated PVE experience.

Why would many PvE gamers play a game that doesn't have much PvE content?

This demonstrates really really well that you don't know what you're talking about lol.

Show me the DED 10/10 that doesn't have a gate so you can get a carrier into it in the 1st place. And a nightmare....in a complex that shoots a citadel torp at you....lol no thanks. What you WILL see in 10/10s are ishtars, Tengus, remote rep domi teams and the like.

Contrast that with the marauders doing lvl 4 missions, or the pirate BS' doing incursions. The "starter' machariel fit for TVP (The Valhalla Project) cost 1.2 bil. The "Elite' machariel fit for TVP only costs about 5 billion isk , that is if you don't count the recommended implants that will run you another 4 billion isk (including the pashan's) that no one in null would DARE have in their clones because of the risk of being bubbled.

And ISN flies noting BUT shiny, my starter vindicator I flew with ISN costs +5bil.

There is a reason where there are multiple high sec incursion communities and not one low sec standing community at all.

You caught me mid-edit. Tried to correct it. Just a typo. Don't get too excited just because you think you have someone to bash.

I see Nightmares running anoms/sigs out here all the time. There is a guy who multi-boxes them. This was my point entirely: anecdotal evidence is meaningless when trying to make broad claims; just like you did.

The fact that there are multiple high sec incursion communities (each of which lists multi billion isk fits including starter fits in their MOTDs, mailing lists and web sites) and not a single standing low sec incursion community is not anecdotal evidence. Sure, people use shiny stuff in null sometimes, but it can't compare to high sec.

For example, a 40 ship ISN HQ fleet costs more in terms of isk than a 100 carrier null sec slowcat fleet..

Apologies for coming late to the thread, but in short CCP have already begun down the road to nerfdom with hisec, as documented in various places from themittani.com to here...

Like the old boiling-frog metaphor, CCP is slowly introducing the nerfs over time, to prevent hisec pirates from 'jumping out of the pot'. But make no mistake, our blood is being boiled.

Nope. They've never produced any data on where players are (largely because they don't have any such data themselves).

I really isn't particularly controversial, unless you're a forums alt who stirs up **** without basis for disagreement, that highsec PVE-only players contribute nothing to the game except their continuous injection of ISK into the economy, causing inflation. They don't produce content. They just leach off what the game provides. About the only positive thing that can be said is that they still pay a sub fee (or buy PLEX which is basically the same).

I think a fairer statement would be that the majority of Eve players are in Empire space compared to other areas of New Eden.

CCP produced population distribution figures in their Q3 2010 QEN released in April 2011. Based on those figures (QEN Q3 2010 - page 13) Empire was home to 86.5% of the population, followed by Nullsec at 11%, whilst Wormhole dwellers occupied the last 2.5%.

I think a fairer statement would be that the majority of Eve players occupy Empire space compared to other areas of New Eden.

CCP produced population distribution figures in their Q3 2010 QEN released in April 2011. Based on those figures (QEN Q3 2010 - page 13) Empire was home to 86.5% of the population, followed by Nullsec at 11%, whilst Wormhole dwellers occupied the last 2.5%.