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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4481
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Posted - 2014.01.27 17:30:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Everyone is biased but you, huh Jenn?
Not everyone, just posters from high sec.
More serioulsy, some people can put aside their own self interest, i can. I make a MINT doing SOe missions, incursioning with ISN and tvp and throwing away caracals in FW (which I started doing after I saw this last year). But being able to profit from something doesn't make that something the right way to go.
This is the right wayfor combat pve to go (in descending order):
-Wormholes -Sov null -npc null -low sec -FW low sec -high sec (most automated security so the trade off should be least income)
And this is what actually happens for individual income via combat pve:
-Wormholes -FW -High sec (incursions and "pirate" missions) -NPC null -SOV null -regular high sec (damn near tied with sov null, TEST it) -Low sec (still dead last)
The only place that works right is wormholes (mega risk, mega isk). Can you people not see this? |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1459
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:04:00 -
[1472] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Everyone is biased but you, huh Jenn?
Considering you are a bot-aspirant miner I think we can safely ignore anything you say. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

Thirtythousand
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:11:00 -
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It's crazy that incursions are considered solo ISk.... Those other 9-39 players must all be bots? WH c4-6 is also not considered solo content. Upgraded complexes in null is also built on community. FW needs to pay for peoples ships or they stop FWing to make ISk. Less PvP targets. More pirate tears. Soloable but also designed to be easily manipulated and exploited, flying anything worth monies usually gets you friendly killed. High sec missions is the closest thing eve has to casual play that can be played at any pace and still make enough for a plex. |

Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
158
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:16:00 -
[1474] - Quote
I love how Jenn tries to shove everyone into a box that fits her whine.
I don't live in hisec Jenn. Stop assuming, it makes you look really foolish. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1461
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:19:00 -
[1475] - Quote
Notorious Fellon wrote:I love how Jenn tries to shove everyone into a box that fits her whine.
I don't live in hisec Jenn. Stop assuming, it makes you look really foolish.
You're an npc alt, its pretty safe to assume you are a highsec pubbie. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4483
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:25:00 -
[1476] - Quote
Thirtythousand wrote:It's crazy that incursions are considered solo ISk.... Those other 9-39 players must all be bots?
WH c4-6 is also not considered solo content.
Upgraded complexes in null is also built on community.
FW needs to pay for peoples ships or they stop FWing to make ISk. Less PvP targets. More pirate tears. Soloable but also designed to be easily manipulated and exploited, flying anything worth monies usually gets you friendly killed.
High sec missions is the closest thing eve has to casual play that can be played at any pace and still make enough for a plex.
i wonder is posting from a npc alt makes one unable to see reality lol.
Who said anything about "solo isk"? Please link.
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
2301
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:27:00 -
[1477] - Quote
i wonder sometimes if the npc alts are all just the same dude
like a monster with a dozen heads |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4485
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:28:00 -
[1478] - Quote
Notorious Fellon wrote:I love how Jenn tries to shove everyone into a box that fits her whine.
I don't live in hisec Jenn. Stop assuming, it makes you look really foolish.
You can't shove everyone into a "hisec only player" or "nullsec only player" box anyway. It is a foolish assumption and labeling tactic that only serves to segregate community and create some artifical "US" and "THEM" bullshit.
Many players of EVE move around from WH, Null, Lowsec, Hisec on a regular basis. Not all of us are quite so narrow-minded as you would like to assume.
Then stop posting narrow mindedly lol.
And when did i try to shove anyone into a box. Where did i say people don't move around. Are you so desperate in this argument that have to make things up now? Please link.'
Do you even pve by the way, because it doesn't sound like it.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1461
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:30:00 -
[1479] - Quote
Benny Ohu wrote:i wonder sometimes if the npc alts are all just the same dude
like a monster with a dozen heads
The EVE-O version of the hydra. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4485
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:31:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:i wonder sometimes if the npc alts are all just the same dude
like a monster with a dozen heads
More likely it's just that we're noticing the similarity of the type. You know the type that thinks their "main" is so special as to need to hide it behind an npc corp alt lol.
In the mean time, I'm jenn, i'm sitting in Jita right now holding up a sign saying "come at me, HO" :) .
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Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
160
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:33:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Anslo wrote:Everyone is biased but you, huh Jenn? Not everyone, just posters from high sec.
Is this you Jenn, or are you going to spin this such as to claim it is not? Do I need to quote you line by line just to get you to admit what you are now denying?
Unbelievable. |

E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
470
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:35:00 -
[1482] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Anslo wrote:Everyone is biased but you, huh Jenn? Not everyone, just posters from high sec. More serioulsy, some people can put aside their own self interest, i can. I make a MINT doing SOe missions, incursioning with ISN and tvp and throwing away caracals in FW (which I started doing after I saw this last year). But being able to profit from something doesn't make that something the right way to go. This is the right wayfor combat pve to go (in descending order): -Wormholes -Sov null -npc null -low sec -FW low sec -high sec (most automated security so the trade off should be least income) And this is what actually happens for individual income via combat pve: -Wormholes -FW -High sec (incursions and "pirate" missions) -NPC null -SOV null -regular high sec (damn near tied with sov null, TEST it) -Low sec (still dead last) The only place that works right is wormholes (mega risk, mega isk). Can you people not see this? Where are your numbers? Where is your test standard? What control conditions did you use to come to this conclusion?
Its easy to say what you feel or hope and have NOTHING to support it except your hate for hi-sec.
Here it is in a nutshell again. I really dont care where has the best isk/hr. Should I want to get what I call the best isk/hr then its on me to go get it not for CCP to give it to me. I have read several threads where you yourself have refferenced the same thing.
Stop looking for CCP to hand it to you and go get it. |

Thirtythousand
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:37:00 -
[1483] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Thirtythousand wrote:It's crazy that incursions are considered solo ISk.... Those other 9-39 players must all be bots?
WH c4-6 is also not considered solo content.
Upgraded complexes in null is also built on community.
FW needs to pay for peoples ships or they stop FWing to make ISk. Less PvP targets. More pirate tears. Soloable but also designed to be easily manipulated and exploited, flying anything worth monies usually gets you friendly killed.
High sec missions is the closest thing eve has to casual play that can be played at any pace and still make enough for a plex. i wonder is posting from a npc alt makes one unable to see reality lol. Who said anything about "solo isk"? Please link.
I use an NPC alt so you can't harrass my main in game if you disagree that strongly. Animosity is great.
Scroll up. You even counter argued it. And gave examples contradicting a 2 month old char or something. I dunno it was a while ago..............-
I'm also pretty sure that, without counter arguments, valid facts, or even accurate observations, that last post is only a ment to attack and derail arguments.
Should high sec be less safe? No. Eve needs a theme park that is valid enough to keep at least half the logged on numbers subscribed to keep eve online. Dont like it. Unsubscribe button is overthere. ^ |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1106
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:43:00 -
[1484] - Quote
Thirtythousand wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Thirtythousand wrote:It's crazy that incursions are considered solo ISk.... Those other 9-39 players must all be bots?
WH c4-6 is also not considered solo content.
Upgraded complexes in null is also built on community.
FW needs to pay for peoples ships or they stop FWing to make ISk. Less PvP targets. More pirate tears. Soloable but also designed to be easily manipulated and exploited, flying anything worth monies usually gets you friendly killed.
High sec missions is the closest thing eve has to casual play that can be played at any pace and still make enough for a plex. i wonder is posting from a npc alt makes one unable to see reality lol. Who said anything about "solo isk"? Please link. I use an NPC alt so you can't harrass my main in game if you disagree that strongly. Animosity is great. Scroll up. You even counter argued it. And gave examples contradicting a 2 month old char or something. I dunno it was a while ago..............-
If you can't troll on your main GTFO. Seriously. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1462
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:44:00 -
[1485] - Quote
Thirtythousand wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Thirtythousand wrote:It's crazy that incursions are considered solo ISk.... Those other 9-39 players must all be bots?
WH c4-6 is also not considered solo content.
Upgraded complexes in null is also built on community.
FW needs to pay for peoples ships or they stop FWing to make ISk. Less PvP targets. More pirate tears. Soloable but also designed to be easily manipulated and exploited, flying anything worth monies usually gets you friendly killed.
High sec missions is the closest thing eve has to casual play that can be played at any pace and still make enough for a plex. i wonder is posting from a npc alt makes one unable to see reality lol. Who said anything about "solo isk"? Please link. I use an NPC alt so you can't harrass my main in game if you disagree that strongly. Animosity is great. Scroll up. You even counter argued it. And gave examples contradicting a 2 month old char or something. I dunno it was a while ago..............-
In other words you are a risk averse highsec pubbie.
This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
4278
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:45:00 -
[1486] - Quote
La Nariz wrote:Anslo wrote:Everyone is biased but you, huh Jenn? Considering you are a bot-aspirant miner I think we can safely ignore anything you say. Gotta afk mine all the things. Speaking of afk, don't you have a node to crash so you can ***** about it?
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Thirtythousand
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:47:00 -
[1487] - Quote
La Nariz wrote:Thirtythousand wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Thirtythousand wrote:It's crazy that incursions are considered solo ISk.... Those other 9-39 players must all be bots?
WH c4-6 is also not considered solo content.
Upgraded complexes in null is also built on community.
FW needs to pay for peoples ships or they stop FWing to make ISk. Less PvP targets. More pirate tears. Soloable but also designed to be easily manipulated and exploited, flying anything worth monies usually gets you friendly killed.
High sec missions is the closest thing eve has to casual play that can be played at any pace and still make enough for a plex. i wonder is posting from a npc alt makes one unable to see reality lol. Who said anything about "solo isk"? Please link. I use an NPC alt so you can't harrass my main in game if you disagree that strongly. Animosity is great. Scroll up. You even counter argued it. And gave examples contradicting a 2 month old char or something. I dunno it was a while ago..............- In other words you are a risk averse highsec pubbie.
I'm also pretty sure that, without counter arguments, valid facts, or even accurate observations, that last post is only a ment to attack and derail arguments.
Should high sec be less safe? No. Eve needs a theme park that is valid enough to keep at least half the logged on numbers subscribed to keep eve online. Dont like it. Unsubscribe button is overthere. ^
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Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
981
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:49:00 -
[1488] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Anslo wrote:Everyone is biased but you, huh Jenn? Not everyone, just posters from high sec. More serioulsy, some people can put aside their own self interest, i can. I make a MINT doing SOe missions, incursioning with ISN and tvp and throwing away caracals in FW (which I started doing after I saw this last year). But being able to profit from something doesn't make that something the right way to go. This is the right wayfor combat pve to go (in descending order): -Wormholes -Sov null -npc null -low sec -FW low sec -high sec (most automated security so the trade off should be least income) And this is what actually happens for individual income via combat pve: -Wormholes -FW -High sec (incursions and "pirate" missions) -NPC null -SOV null -regular high sec (damn near tied with sov null, TEST it) -Low sec (still dead last) The only place that works right is wormholes (mega risk, mega isk). Can you people not see this?
Start by nerfbatting the outliers in missioning and it would already help. Some corp are indeed out fo whack (SoE, Thukker, ...) and would require adjustement imo. You could also amke them more available in null to drag the price down a bit by using thier ebtter ratio for the LP. Making that ratio better that it is now could be considered too.
Put a better LP reward on incursion in low and null. Don't add ISK, just more LP. They have to become worthwhile to run in lower security space even if you can hardly field a pimp fleet which reduce your sites/unit fo time. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4486
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:51:00 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Anslo wrote:Everyone is biased but you, huh Jenn? Not everyone, just posters from high sec. Is this you Jenn, or are you going to spin this such as to claim it is not? Do I need to quote you line by line just to get you to admit what you are now denying? Unbelievable.
You can quote what you like, but you would be misunderstanding.
We get it, you like the broken status quo. I do not, I think it's bad for the game (the bad part is that it should not be more appealing to make isk in high sec protected by automated security features that it is in the most player and unsecured by automation part of the game).
And yet many of us have high sec (or low sec, or WH) alts while roaming gangs jump dozens of jumps just to find no targets (which wa snot an issue before the 1st anom nerf). CCP tends to develop features in a vacuum without regards sometimes of existing content. As an example, The sister's LP store was ok in high sec before wormholes, now it's just overpowered.
(CCP is doing that again, adding LP to the new ESS, which could be like the hammer in the nail of the lvl 5 coffin).
It would be nice to see CCP take a wholistic view of combat PVE for once.
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Rekkr Nordgard
The Ardency of Faith
361
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:53:00 -
[1490] - Quote
Instead of buffing lowsec/nullsec to make people want to leave highsec, let's just nerf highsec. The stick and never the carrot; that's just good game design and the way to keep your customer base happy. |
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1463
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:53:00 -
[1491] - Quote
Thirtythousand wrote:
I'm also pretty sure that, without counter arguments, valid facts, or even accurate observations, that last post is only a ment to attack and derail arguments.
Should high sec be less safe? No. Eve needs a theme park that is valid enough to keep at least half the logged on numbers subscribed to keep eve online. Dont like it. Unsubscribe button is overthere. ^
You literally admitted to using an NPC alt to avoid consequences, that's literally the definition of risk averse highsec pubbie right there. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1463
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:56:00 -
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Anslo wrote:La Nariz wrote:Anslo wrote:Everyone is biased but you, huh Jenn? Considering you are a bot-aspirant miner I think we can safely ignore anything you say. Gotta afk mine all the things. Speaking of afk, don't you have a node to crash so you can ***** about it?
Nope I hope the nodes stay active and the battle finishes either way. All the big nodes in highsec should be on reserve for nullsec battles. Enjoy mission running in 10% TiDi. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
981
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Posted - 2014.01.27 19:02:00 -
[1493] - Quote
La Nariz wrote:Anslo wrote:La Nariz wrote:Anslo wrote:Everyone is biased but you, huh Jenn? Considering you are a bot-aspirant miner I think we can safely ignore anything you say. Gotta afk mine all the things. Speaking of afk, don't you have a node to crash so you can ***** about it? Nope I hope the nodes stay active and the battle finishes either way. All the big nodes in highsec should be on reserve for nullsec battles. Enjoy mission running in 10% TiDi.
You will never really need more than 3 nodes (2 staging system + 1 fighting system) as long as SOV stays the same. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4486
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Posted - 2014.01.27 19:03:00 -
[1494] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Anslo wrote:Everyone is biased but you, huh Jenn? Not everyone, just posters from high sec. More serioulsy, some people can put aside their own self interest, i can. I make a MINT doing SOe missions, incursioning with ISN and tvp and throwing away caracals in FW (which I started doing after I saw this last year). But being able to profit from something doesn't make that something the right way to go. This is the right wayfor combat pve to go (in descending order): -Wormholes -Sov null -npc null -low sec -FW low sec -high sec (most automated security so the trade off should be least income) And this is what actually happens for individual income via combat pve: -Wormholes -FW -High sec (incursions and "pirate" missions) -NPC null -SOV null -regular high sec (damn near tied with sov null, TEST it) -Low sec (still dead last) The only place that works right is wormholes (mega risk, mega isk). Can you people not see this? Start by nerfbatting the outliers in missioning and it would already help. Some corp are indeed out fo whack (SoE, Thukker, ...) and would require adjustement imo. You could also amke them more available in null to drag the price down a bit by using thier ebtter ratio for the LP. Making that ratio better that it is now could be considered too. Put a better LP reward on incursion in low and null. Don't add ISK, just more LP. They have to become worthwhile to run in lower security space even if you can hardly field a pimp fleet which reduce your sites/unit fo time.
SoE and thukker are outliers, but not by very much, have you seen the Lp conversion rates on some of those corps with industrial implants, OMG.
Adding rewards to low and null incursions won't change anything. low and null incursion rewards would have to be totally unbalanced to get people to do them to a lvl that beats being able to do them in priate BSs in high sec (no one is gonna risk machs and vindis in non-high sec incursions.
Thing is, if you buff their rewards enough to compete with high sec incursions even after ship losses to pvp, all that means is that some alliance is going to come in, lock down the incursion constellation by force and farm it much like FW is farmed. It would literally do nothing but make the rich richer lol. I don't think there is any hope for non-high incursions.
I'd fix high sec incursions by making them unfarmable (ie, MOM pops up, all other sites stop paying out) and i would balance this by making high sec incursions instantly spawn somewhere else. Of course the incursion communities would have to adopt the beeny hill chase theme as there own, but what can you do lol.
The fix for SoE and thukker is simple, up the LP cost of everything in their LP stores like the ships are ie cheaper to get the stuff outside of high sec but still available in high sec. There is no reason a Sisters core probe should cost the same in LP in Lanngisi as it does in X-7.
Another thing I'd do is take null anomalies out of the upgrade system and replace them with some kind of mission agent with new null sec only LP stores (I dunno, minmatar station = minmatar agent of some kind, and if it's not a station system make the agent be at a beacon in space like cosmos agents are). Tying isk spewing anomalies to a military upgrade system they were not meant for was a mistake on CCPs part in Dominion IMO.
i dunno, not a game designer so all those could be crap ideas. What i do know is that the current combat pve system in EVE (outside of wormhole space) sucks and is like some kind of dysfunctional patchwork mess.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1463
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Posted - 2014.01.27 19:06:00 -
[1495] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:La Nariz wrote:Anslo wrote:La Nariz wrote:Anslo wrote:Everyone is biased but you, huh Jenn? Considering you are a bot-aspirant miner I think we can safely ignore anything you say. Gotta afk mine all the things. Speaking of afk, don't you have a node to crash so you can ***** about it? Nope I hope the nodes stay active and the battle finishes either way. All the big nodes in highsec should be on reserve for nullsec battles. Enjoy mission running in 10% TiDi. You will never really need more than 3 nodes (2 staging system + 1 fighting system) as long as SOV stays the same.
That's not true you need as many high power nodes as you can get. What happens when you get more than 2 sides fighting in a war? What would really be nice would be the ability to "hot swap" a regular node for a high power node, like the jita node, without disconnects or planning. So CCP can push a button and enable a huge battle to happen at the drop of a hat. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
4280
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Posted - 2014.01.27 19:08:00 -
[1496] - Quote
La Nariz wrote:Anslo wrote:La Nariz wrote:Anslo wrote:Everyone is biased but you, huh Jenn? Considering you are a bot-aspirant miner I think we can safely ignore anything you say. Gotta afk mine all the things. Speaking of afk, don't you have a node to crash so you can ***** about it? Nope I hope the nodes stay active and the battle finishes either way. All the big nodes in highsec should be on reserve for nullsec battles. Enjoy mission running in 10% TiDi. Good thing that'll never happen. Enjoy your turkey shoot~
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1463
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Posted - 2014.01.27 19:12:00 -
[1497] - Quote
Anslo wrote:La Nariz wrote:Anslo wrote:La Nariz wrote:Anslo wrote:Everyone is biased but you, huh Jenn? Considering you are a bot-aspirant miner I think we can safely ignore anything you say. Gotta afk mine all the things. Speaking of afk, don't you have a node to crash so you can ***** about it? Nope I hope the nodes stay active and the battle finishes either way. All the big nodes in highsec should be on reserve for nullsec battles. Enjoy mission running in 10% TiDi. Good thing that'll never happen. Enjoy your turkey shoot~
I think instituting 10% TiDi across highsec would get the income nerf that is needed. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

Thirtythousand
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2014.01.27 19:14:00 -
[1498] - Quote
La Nariz wrote:Thirtythousand wrote:
I'm also pretty sure that, without counter arguments, valid facts, or even accurate observations, that last post is only a ment to attack and derail arguments.
Should high sec be less safe? No. Eve needs a theme park that is valid enough to keep at least half the logged on numbers subscribed to keep eve online. Dont like it. Unsubscribe button is overthere. ^
You literally admitted to using an NPC alt to avoid consequences, that's literally the definition of risk averse highsec pubbie right there.
And again, post only to attack someone without any contribution to the topic.
if I am a high sec pubbie, what's it matter? I'm keeping eve online valid by logging in and enjoying internet space ships.
Do some market research and realise EvE isn't in a very secure position in the MMO scene, the last expansion and live event didn't generate much buzz, dust 514 is considered, by raw numbers as a f2p console fps, a failure in investment and profitability, and radical changes (for positive or negative to your playstyle) are going to happen. Or eve will just to continue to limp on. 10yrs, but in decline, a very slow one but still predictive models show over the next year. I did a whole post on it like 3 pages ago. Loom outside of eve and realise only a small number of people Enjoy the very niche gameplay that is eve. And only a slice of that pie even cares to try null sec.
Animosity doing its role. I've been a casual eve player since launch. Seen the stars. Seen the stars get a resolution update. I'm not important. Just someone who enjoys my cake. Please stop trying to fore me to enjoy your slice of |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4486
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Posted - 2014.01.27 19:15:00 -
[1499] - Quote
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Anslo wrote:Everyone is biased but you, huh Jenn? Not everyone, just posters from high sec. More serioulsy, some people can put aside their own self interest, i can. I make a MINT doing SOe missions, incursioning with ISN and tvp and throwing away caracals in FW (which I started doing after I saw this last year). But being able to profit from something doesn't make that something the right way to go. This is the right wayfor combat pve to go (in descending order): -Wormholes -Sov null -npc null -low sec -FW low sec -high sec (most automated security so the trade off should be least income) And this is what actually happens for individual income via combat pve: -Wormholes -FW -High sec (incursions and "pirate" missions) -NPC null -SOV null -regular high sec (damn near tied with sov null, TEST it) -Low sec (still dead last) The only place that works right is wormholes (mega risk, mega isk). Can you people not see this? Where are your numbers? Where is your test standard? What control conditions did you use to come to this conclusion? Its easy to say what you feel or hope and have NOTHING to support it except your hate for hi-sec. Here it is in a nutshell again. I really dont care where has the best isk/hr. Should I want to get what I call the best isk/hr then its on me to go get it not for CCP to give it to me. I have read several threads where you yourself have refferenced the same thing. Stop looking for CCP to hand it to you and go get it.
So you've missed the dozens of threads where I speak about incursioning with TVP and ISN, and doing SoE and Trust Partner missions of throwing away caracals in FW lvl 4 missions (FW needs REAL lvl 4 missions btw)?
That's the point, I should not be able to do this, nor should anyone else, The kind of isk I make doing those things should be reserved for high end wormholes or sov null space that needs defending. Sure, a high sec dude should be able to make a living doing combat PVE, but this ins't a living, this is getting RICH. Don't you know I plex 4 accounts off noting but high sec isk now? The FW isk is just for when i don't feel like spending too much time (getting popped every 5th jump can get annoying after a while, but it's just a caracal lol).
CCP needs to totally rethink combat pve, and I mean from the floor up, because it's rewards are out of whack everywhere except wormholes. I don't know why these concepts are hard for anyone to understand.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1465
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Posted - 2014.01.27 19:27:00 -
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Thirtythousand wrote:And again, post only to attack someone without any contribution to the topic.
if I am a high sec pubbie, what's it matter? I'm keeping eve online valid by logging in and enjoying internet space ships.
Do some market research and realise EvE isn't in a very secure position in the MMO scene, the last expansion and live event didn't generate much buzz, dust 514 is considered, by raw numbers as a f2p console fps, a failure in investment and profitability, and radical changes (for positive or negative to your playstyle) are going to happen. Or eve will just to continue to limp on. 10yrs, but in decline, a very slow one but still predictive models show over the next year. I did a whole post on it like 3 pages ago. Loom outside of eve and realise only a small number of people Enjoy the very niche gameplay that is eve. And only a slice of that pie even cares to try null sec.
Animosity doing its role. I've been a casual eve player since launch. Seen the stars. Seen the stars get a resolution update. I'm not important. Just someone who enjoys my cake. Please stop trying to force me to enjoy your slice of cake
That wasn't a personal attack it was using data to prove something. You whined and said I showed no proof then you literally described yourself as the definition of a highsec pubbie. You also complained that others were biased because they were from nullsec so I pointed out you were biased since you came from highsec.
Highsec pubbies can safely be ignored because they don't do anything that gets the game recognized outside of its own community, they don't generate exposure or content. Two things the game needs to grow, people need to know it exists and have a desire to play.
Examples:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304887104579306663398628476 http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/06/21/real-economist-takes-lessons-from-virtual-world/ http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/07/arts/07eve.html?pagewanted=all http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2013/07/09/eve-online-player-loses-a-spaceship-worth-approximately-9000/
None of those show a highsec person creating content or doing something so amazing that it attracts the attention of a national news organization.
Now you're trying to do the but, but, but, highsec subscriptions are > than the rest of the game so highsec should be coddled. Which isn't true and you can't back it up because CCP hasn't given us the data or a meaningful way to quantify who counts as a X sec subscription.
This isn't to say casuals should not be considered but, it is saying a specific group of loud risk averse highsec pubbies should be ignored and game balance should have nothing to do with them. Hence its time for highsec reward to be decreased or risk to be increased.
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