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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:30:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote: If there were a problem, CCP would resolve it yes?
It took them years to fix things such as the sentinel. Hell, for 9 years there were many ships that had no use at all. There are many issues that have been around for far too long. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:30:00 -
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Billy McCandless wrote:
Ive seen mission agents in Null
So, like, wtf?
Ever tried to run them?
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Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:33:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Ever tried to run them?
Ever seen any in sov nul?
1) No, the Nullgimps make that hard and refuse to even consider a deal
2) No, and the Nullgimps make it hard to go and look anyway. But I would imagine the LP rewards from agents in NPC Null are superior to the non-existant LP rewards from the non-existant agents in Sov Null. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9912
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:43:00 -
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Billy McCandless wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Ever tried to run them?
Ever seen any in sov nul?
1) No, the Nullgimps make that hard and refuse to even consider a deal 2) No, and the Nullgimps make it hard to go and look anyway. But I would imagine the LP rewards from agents in NPC Null are superior to the non-existant LP rewards from the non-existant agents in Sov Null. However, the position that Highsec has it better than Null because of the existance of LP is demonstratably false.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4442
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:53:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote: If there were a problem, CCP would resolve it yes?
It took them years to fix things such as the sentinel. Hell, for 9 years there were many ships that had no use at all. There are many issues that have been around for far too long.
It took ccp what, 4 years (?) to fix the highs sec lvl 5 bug that they knew about in 2007. Some people are STILL screaming "bring back high sec lvl 5s" in the missions and complexes forums lol.
The problem is that people are refusing to understand a problem (ie the multiple problems with high sec that have an adverse affect on the rest of the game, such as the impossibility of player made industry in null ever competing with the FREE goodies available in high sec npc stations) that they themselves could test and examine for themselves. They don't want to because they don't want to know the truth of these issues, which is a stance I find confusing.
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Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
73
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Posted - 2014.01.22 18:57:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Billy McCandless wrote: the non-existant LP rewards from the non-existant agents in Sov Null. There are no mission agents in sov null sec.
Yup I believe I said that |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4442
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:00:00 -
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Billy McCandless wrote:
1) No, the Nullgimps make that hard and refuse to even consider a deal
How do you call someone else a gimp when it's you who failed to do what you wanted to (run a null sec mission) not them?
I run null sec missions when I choose to and have yet to lose a mission ship in NPC Delve, Fountain, Curse or Venal. it's easy when you know how to play the game and aren't scared of other people.... |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9914
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:04:00 -
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Billy McCandless wrote:baltec1 wrote:Billy McCandless wrote: the non-existant LP rewards from the non-existant agents in Sov Null. There are no mission agents in sov null sec. Yup I believe I said that
So that means no LP.
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Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:06:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
So that means no LP.
The issue is with anoms in sov space, not the handful of NPC null missions.
Then I apologise for misunderstanding you, I missed where we were talking about the differences between Sov Null and NPC Null.
So why not just pop into NPC Null for your LP? |

Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
73
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:08:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
How do you call someone else a gimp when it's you who failed to do what you wanted to (run a null sec mission) not them?
I run null sec missions when I choose to and have yet to lose a mission ship in NPC Delve, Fountain, Curse or Venal. it's easy when you know how to play the game and aren't scared of other people....
I wasnt aware that "gimp" was slang for someone who cant do something.
I have been unable to do so due to losses, so kudos to you for being the better pilot, but there's no need to be a jerk about it. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9914
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:12:00 -
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Billy McCandless wrote:
So why not just pop into NPC Null for your LP?
Not only can these handful of systems not support tens of thousand players but if we even try they will be **** caged by every hostile power going.
Plus it does not fix the problem of the vast bulk of null sec being useless.
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Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:16:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Billy McCandless wrote:
So why not just pop into NPC Null for your LP?
Not only can these handful of systems not support tens of thousand players but if we even try they will be **** caged by every hostile power going. Plus it does not fix the problem of the vast bulk of null sec being useless.
Ok cool, I now understand.
Thanks |

Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
727
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:18:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Plus it does not fix the problem of the vast bulk of null sec being useless.
Neither does nerfing HS...
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9914
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:22:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:baltec1 wrote:Plus it does not fix the problem of the vast bulk of null sec being useless.
Neither does nerfing HS...
If we cannot buff it then that leaves but one option.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8751
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:22:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:baltec1 wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote: The point is that despite all the complaints about 'High Sec earns more' Null Faucets alone beat all other related forms of High Sec income combined. Without considering the other forms of Null Sec income that already exist at all. Meaning that there is more isk to be made in Null Sec.
You are mistaking total isk faucets with how much a player can earn. Null sec you only get bounties while a large chunk of income in high sec level 4s comes in the form of LP. LP is the primary form of income with missions followed by bounties. This is why those stats your are using are useless for working out how much you can earn in each area of space. Here we all go again, talking around in circles, bouncing between industry and missions. If there were a problem, CCP would resolve it yes? And since they don't seem to be pushing initiatives in high sec and instead they are pushing a dumbass deployable in Null Sec, what message are you hearing from that Baltec? The message is this - There is too much money in Nullsec. If the end result of any data, graphs, charts, opinions, conjecture, or magically derived functions of the most bizarre mathematics showed anything else - CCP would make a change... Since they are not, it seems clear to me that they know something you don't. Actually, CCP's right hand doesn't seem to be talking to its left. Their own economist stated that inflation was fine and so were the isk sinks and faucets. My EVE Videos |

Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
727
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:28:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:baltec1 wrote:Plus it does not fix the problem of the vast bulk of null sec being useless.
Neither does nerfing HS... If we cannot buff it then that leaves but one option.
My house is ******.
Your house should be ****** too.
Because that philosophy has always improved the quality of life for all parties involved. 
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |

Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:33:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:baltec1 wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote: The point is that despite all the complaints about 'High Sec earns more' Null Faucets alone beat all other related forms of High Sec income combined. Without considering the other forms of Null Sec income that already exist at all. Meaning that there is more isk to be made in Null Sec.
You are mistaking total isk faucets with how much a player can earn. Null sec you only get bounties while a large chunk of income in high sec level 4s comes in the form of LP. LP is the primary form of income with missions followed by bounties. This is why those stats your are using are useless for working out how much you can earn in each area of space. Here we all go again, talking around in circles, bouncing between industry and missions. If there were a problem, CCP would resolve it yes? And since they don't seem to be pushing initiatives in high sec and instead they are pushing a dumbass deployable in Null Sec, what message are you hearing from that Baltec? The message is this - There is too much money in Nullsec. If the end result of any data, graphs, charts, opinions, conjecture, or magically derived functions of the most bizarre mathematics showed anything else - CCP would make a change... Since they are not, it seems clear to me that they know something you don't. Actually, CCP's right hand doesn't seem to be talking to its left. Their own economist stated that inflation was fine and so were the isk sinks and faucets.
And Dr. EyojG makes these statements in the face of all those HS mission runners and Incursion people making 150-200 million ISK/hr? Not to mention, all of the null sec residents coming to HS because they can make 150-200 million ISK/hr risk free in HS. And all the LP!!! Even despite all of this, meh economy's fine. Inflation is A-OK!
So what's the problem? "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2169
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:35:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:baltec1 wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:baltec1 wrote:Plus it does not fix the problem of the vast bulk of null sec being useless.
Neither does nerfing HS... If we cannot buff it then that leaves but one option. My house is ******. Your house should be ****** too. Because that philosophy has always improved the quality of life for all parties involved. 
Oh, that's just hyperbole and you know it. Especially for an inappropriate comparison in the first place.
Buffing the other areas of space would cause inflation. Inflation is a bad, bad thing, especially with regards to new player retention.
Being brought down to par with the rest of space is not some heinous punishment, you've been enjoying the imbalance for years now anyway. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9914
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:37:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:My house is ******. Your house should be ****** too. Because that philosophy has always improved the quality of life for all parties involved. 
This is about game balance. If there is no reason to go to null then people will not go to null, if the only way to fix the game is to nerf high sec then thats what must happen. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
73
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:39:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
This is about game balance. If there is no reason to go to null then people will not go to null, if the only way to fix the game is to nerf high sec then thats what must happen.
Well thats one reason not to go.
As we both pointed out, its hard to do much if you are just going to get shot to pieces.
Maybe Jenn can give me some tips on how to avoid the CoT system-sweeping fleets. |

Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
971
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:46:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Billy McCandless wrote:
So why not just pop into NPC Null for your LP?
Not only can these handful of systems not support tens of thousand players but if we even try they will be **** caged by every hostile power going. Plus it does not fix the problem of the vast bulk of null sec being useless.
Was there ever a reason given why some space is literraly **** in null? Not why it is because thats documented somewhere I could probably read but why it was created that way? Why to 0.0 to -1.0 "hidden" sec status and all. Why not only different kind of rat and ice like in high? |

Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:46:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:My house is ******. Your house should be ****** too. Because that philosophy has always improved the quality of life for all parties involved.  This is about game balance. If there is no reason to go to null then people will not go to null, if the only way to fix the game is to nerf high sec then thats what must happen.
Why is it that if it sucks for you it's "imbalance"?
Null sec sucks compared to high sec because of an imbalance.
Drone assist sucks because of imbalance.
Sov warfare sucks because of an imbalance?
If you want Null Sec to be like High sec, you know, loads of infinite ISK and no risk from AFK cloaky ******* or "oh **** a neutral, I'd better dock up", there is already a place in the game for that - it's called High Sec.
It's not 100% safe mind you, but it is safe enough.
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2169
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:47:00 -
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Billy McCandless wrote:baltec1 wrote:
This is about game balance. If there is no reason to go to null then people will not go to null, if the only way to fix the game is to nerf high sec then thats what must happen.
Well thats one reason not to go. As we both pointed out, its hard to do much if you are just going to get shot to pieces. Maybe Jenn can give me some tips on how to avoid the CoT system-sweeping fleets.
Why on earth would they *not* shoot you? Given the existence of cyno ships, neutral is as good as hostile. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4442
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:49:00 -
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Billy McCandless wrote:baltec1 wrote:
This is about game balance. If there is no reason to go to null then people will not go to null, if the only way to fix the game is to nerf high sec then thats what must happen.
Well thats one reason not to go. As we both pointed out, its hard to do much if you are just going to get shot to pieces. Maybe Jenn can give me some tips on how to avoid the CoT system-sweeping fleets.
Null missions (and complexes) are in deadspace. Once inside deadspace, someone looking for yo has to use probes to get to you. You can see probes in d-scan (even the pro "only deploy probes once you have narrowed down the basic area the guy is in" super quick probers have to expose themselves eventually to get you). if you are picking the right blitzable missions you shold be anywhere long enough to get scanned down
The only things you have to worry about is getting into and out of the station and maybe jumping gates (though if you are smart you will set up in stations that have multiple agents and once you have high enough standings, decline the out of system missions). Insta-undocks + nullified T3 ship (the best null mission runners) are the key, plus now mobile depots for refitting.
Half the fun of PVE outside of high sec is avoiding people trying to blow you up and steal your loot.
NPC null missions are the only real bright spots in null pve. The rest of it is easily disrupted or enslaved a truly evil random number generator.
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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:50:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:baltec1 wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:baltec1 wrote:Plus it does not fix the problem of the vast bulk of null sec being useless.
Neither does nerfing HS... If we cannot buff it then that leaves but one option. My house is ******. Your house should be ****** too. Because that philosophy has always improved the quality of life for all parties involved.  Oh, that's just hyperbole and you know it. Especially for an inappropriate comparison in the first place. Buffing the other areas of space would cause inflation. Inflation is a bad, bad thing, especially with regards to new player retention. Being brought down to par with the rest of space is not some heinous punishment, you've been enjoying the imbalance for years now anyway.
Hyperbole is saying **** like "I can't make money where I live because where other people live is better."
******* move already. Or stay there and HTFU.
You're like people in every Mellencamp song ever. Living in your little pink house and out of work because the ******* brick factory closed. Move to where the money is or find another way to make money. Seems pretty damn simple to me.
Also confirming that brick factory work isn't that great anyway and you're better off.
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2169
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:50:00 -
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Quote:If you want Null Sec to be like High sec, you know, loads of infinite ISK and no risk from AFK cloaky ******* or "oh **** a neutral, I'd better dock up", there is already a place in the game for that - it's called High Sec.
It's not 100% safe mind you, but it is safe enough.
Quote:******* move already. Or stay there and HTFU.
It always makes me laugh to see "well just go highsec yourself!" as the response.
Not only is it not a good way to defend something suspected of being overpowered by telling me I should be doing it too, but all of highsec should pray that the Goons never actually do this. The result would be, while hilarious, highly detrimental to the average citizen of highsec. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9914
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:57:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:
Why is it that if it sucks for you it's "imbalance"?
Tell me why you would take the greater risks in null sov space to earn less than in high sec with full concord protection? Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
73
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:57:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Why on earth would they *not* shoot you? Given the existence of cyno ships, neutral is as good as hostile.
Apparently, they dont shoot Jenn
I was hoping for her secret.
But sadly its not forth-coming.
Just old tried and tested (and failing) options.
Looks like I shall have to devise my own.
Oh wait, I DO kill probers in Nullsec
Silly me, how did I forget. Maybe some enterprising soul will use the same technique to kill Null Missioners.
Its easy, so Im suprised they dont already. |

Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
730
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Posted - 2014.01.22 19:58:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:If you want Null Sec to be like High sec, you know, loads of infinite ISK and no risk from AFK cloaky ******* or "oh **** a neutral, I'd better dock up", there is already a place in the game for that - it's called High Sec.
It's not 100% safe mind you, but it is safe enough.
Quote:******* move already. Or stay there and HTFU.
It always makes me laugh to see "well just go highsec yourself!" as the response. Not only is it not a good way to defend something suspected of being overpowered by telling me I should be doing it too, but all of highsec should pray that the Goons never actually do this. The result would be, while hilarious, highly detrimental to the average citizen of highsec.
You already are. So is Baltec. And if you read this thread (which I know you have Kaarous), it would seem that everyone, save a small few daring individuals such as Jenn, are already here.
Even Baltec admitted to wanting to nerf his own income. Of course, that's not hyperbole either yea?
baltec1 wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote: Aren't you just asking to nerf your own income?
In short, yes.
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2169
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Posted - 2014.01.22 20:04:00 -
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Billy McCandless wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Why on earth would they *not* shoot you? Given the existence of cyno ships, neutral is as good as hostile.
Apparently, they dont shoot Jenn I was hoping for her secret. But sadly its not forth-coming. Just old tried and tested (and failing) options. Looks like I shall have to devise my own. Oh wait, I DO kill probers in Nullsec Silly me, how did I forget. Maybe some enterprising soul will use the same technique to kill Null Missioners. Its easy, so Im suprised they dont already.
Well, first of all, Jenn is a dude.
Secondly, the trick is not getting caught. Knowing and using the MWD+Cloak trick, watching for probes, and judicious use of DotLan to avoid potential gatecamp systems tends to work fairly well.
So, it's not that they wouldn't shoot Jenn, it's that he doesn't give them a chance to do it. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
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