But there is not a good case for only high sec having higher costs.
There is not a good case for nerfing lvl 4's & incursions when Null Sec is 50% of the entire isk faucets in the game approximately.
There is not a good case to nerf concord in any way.

High Secs income (Excluding industry/trade since there is no way to tell how much of that is null sec dwellers simply using high sec for a neutral market vs alliance only market) is calculable using extrapolation maths. And doing that shows that High Secs total income is less than just the isk faucet portion of Nulls Income. Which totally ignores all the deadspace/officer loot, all the Moon Goo income, all the PI income etc.

And that was done assuming all incursions belonged to Highsec while we know some do get done in low/null to clear the cyno jam effects.

it doesn't really matter if nullsec bounties are a huge faucet in the argument of 'there's no reason to do anoms when you could be doing missions' because you're talking about personal income not economic balance

besides that, the idea that 'sinks are always good, faucets are always bad' is silly

it's also silly to present the fact anoms are a faucet as reason not to buff them as they don't have to be buffed by adding bounty value

The point is that despite all the complaints about 'High Sec earns more' Null Faucets alone beat all other related forms of High Sec income combined.

Except the ones you omit because they don't suit your argument.

No, those were omitted because they are an entirely different facet of the game and unless you remove High Sec entirely, Trade will always be higher in High Sec. Because of the Neutral market ability rather than NBSI markets.

There is a case for making the initial capital investment cheaper, or stations offer more.
There is also a case for ALL Stations/Outposts to have more expensive lines, in order to allow POS manufacturing (Which again, Null Pos's cost less upkeep than High Pos's) to compete with stations.
And there is a very good case for getting rid of the stupidly low refining levels, making it just a single basic add on, and making it at least 40% on Amarr stations. Refining is not an entire branch of the game on it's own, and should not be getting put through the same levels of upgrades as the lab slots, offices & industry lines

The point is that despite all the complaints about 'High Sec earns more' Null Faucets alone beat all other related forms of High Sec income combined. Without considering the other forms of Null Sec income that already exist at all. Meaning that there is more isk to be made in Null Sec.

Ergo, it's part of income in highsec.

Furthermore, we're not even talking about total gross.

We're talking about average earned potential.

Only so many guys can chew on anoms per day. They have an inherently subtractive method of income.

But you can cram people in an L4 system until the node breaks, and that mission giver doesn't run out. It's an inherently multiplicative method of income.

There's only one outcome of that equation.

Regarding the anoms & lvl 4's, you would think there could be only one outcome, yet the gross income shows Null Wins.

I love how gross keeps coming up despite multiple people telling you it's not about that, but about personal income.

Because if you are trying to balance High vs Null, it is about gross. Not personal. Also the personal income figures they are trying to produce for High sec are rubbish. Just like the 500m/hr figures for null aren't sustainable.

No, it isn't.

Because the 50 guys in null that get to do anoms does not outweigh, regardless of whatever reasoning you can conjure, the 5 thousand or more who do L4s or incursions all day.

That kind of personal income is the issue here. That, and the unviability of industry anywhere but highsec. Anything else is just moving the goalposts.

Which of course your leaders know, it's why they have such empires in Null.

But it is not an income for High Sec. So trade can be pretty much ignored in any balancing arguments.

Regarding the anoms & lvl 4's, you would think there could be only one outcome, yet the gross income shows Null Wins. And that is with fewer people. Meaning the Average income per character is vastly higher in Null. So obviously the system doesn't work like you keep trying to pretend it does.

That said, again as I've said earlier, I'm all for more people being able to work a single null sec system at the same time, provided it doesn't give a single pilot working a system 5* the individual profits, but just allows 5* to work it at once. (Scale figures appropriately obviously)

unfortunately whatever is said gets a bunch of drips completely missing the point yelling 'you're trying to force us into nullsec', 'you nullbears have just been doing it wrong', 'well stop shooting non-blues who try to go to null', 'nullsec is supposed to be somalia' (lol) etc etc etc

I love how gross keeps coming up despite multiple people telling you it's not about that, but about personal income.

I love how gross keeps coming up despite multiple people telling you it's not about that, but about personal income.

Gross income is a matter of where the ISK is most available.

Personal income is a matter of personal choice.

That would be true if it were possible for everyone to enjoy that level of income in nullsec.

But it's not possible. Hence this discussion in the first place.

The point is that despite all the complaints about 'High Sec earns more' Null Faucets alone beat all other related forms of High Sec income combined. Without considering the other forms of Null Sec income that already exist at all. Meaning that there is more isk to be made in Null Sec.

You are mistaking total isk faucets with how much a player can earn.

Null sec you only get bounties while a large chunk of income in high sec level 4s comes in the form of LP. LP is the primary form of income with missions followed by bounties. This is why those stats your are using are useless for working out how much you can earn in each area of space.

Other words

At some point you yourself claimed it isn't about profit. And now, it is.

Just as an example, Baltec1 asserts that hi sec has never been nerfed because he doesn't count nerfs that affect other areas of space.

Kimmi said it best. Until you don't define what problem it is you are trying to solve and what viable solution is there, other than "null sec sux, nerf hi sec!" without providing any substance to back up these assertions, there really is nothing to be said, other than inconsistencies and biased vitriol.