Not much sense to who? It' makes perfect sense. I for one would quit immediately AND Biomass and destroy everything. There would be no coming back...

We ask for a nerf because our equivalent of level 4 missions, anoms, have been nerfed to the point where it is not worth running them. CCP have stated that they cannot buff them so there is only one option open to us. With this latest nerf to anom income all we are going to see is even more people going to high sec to make more isk for near no risk.

Neither does nerfing income in High Sec.

Nerf High Sec all you want.

We don't have AFK Cloakers.
We don't have to check local and DScan every 15 secs.
We don't have to dock every time a neutral comes into system.

But you already know that - you live in High Sec.

Honestly man, it really would make more sense to lobby to buff those anoms again rather than nerf high sec. I mean i get it, you have to do all that **** I listed above, you should get more. But how much more would make it worth your time and risk to go back and stay back?

150m/hr like Missions?
200m/hr like Incursions?

You'd still have to deal with the asshats so it really can never be enough can it?

Even aside from this nerf, the behavior of the players hasn't and the concentration of activity hasn't been in favor of null for a long time. Not prior to the truesec anom nerfs, not prior to incursions, and likely not prior to a number of income changes before that. The premise of an income differential that doesn't totally break one or more areas of space leading to your intent of keeping people in null to make isk is just something I don't see working.

And regarding the refusal to buff, that's probably a much easier issue to trace the source of. As with a number of other things those who have found a way to take the mechanic for all it's worth, and a more pure isk injection mechanic than the highsec counterparts at that, have cause CCP to start capping reward potentials to the detriment of others who aren't reaching those peaks.

It was enough before the forsaken nerf. Simple fact is that CCP do not want to turn the taps back on in terms of isk. If high sec had seen the exact same nerfs mirrored that null has seen we wouldn't be in this trouble.

People said the same thing when they nerfed incursions. High sec will not quit.

Do you suppose there was a possible reason why they nerf ONLY null at that time and left high sec and lo sec alone? Surely they didn't do it just to be spiteful. Surely they didn't have a high level executive meeting where the tone was a simple, **** Null Sec!" I really have to wonder why they would have taken such an action.

Stopping mission blitzing would go a long way to bringing back balance without touching the "casuals".

Highsec had alternatives when it came to PvE income in that situation. In a case of a blanket nerf to all income streams that wouldn't be the case. How that would end up we can only speculate since it has never happened. Also if the suspicions are true that highsec is really not a place where people live but rather a biproduct of alts and easy isk then we'd likely see some of those accounts reduced for lack of use IF the nerf worked as intended.

They did it without considering the bigger picture. Just look at this latest plan.

*Forsaken nerf, ended farming via blaster ships.
*Anom nerf, CCP wanted us to fight over the "handful of good anom systems" and so, nerfed the vast bulk of systems to work off truesec.


At the same time that these nerfs happened high sec income was buffed with the addition of incursions for one and SOE ships (plus more high sec level 4 SOE agents) with the other.

I agree, but fat chance on it happening. Same reason anoms probably won't be revamped from being what IMHO is the worst PvE in the game: no one wants CCP to devote time to fixing what ails it.

And by latest plan I assume you are referring to the ESS.

I think you and I can both agree that the ESS is stupid and if it's going to be deployable anywhere it should be deployable everywhere. But we'll leave that discussion on the thread regarding that abomination.

So in the time since the Forsaken Nerf they've had time to evaluate the results of their intervention, the nerf, and have come to the conclusion that you guys still suck and aren't deserving of pre-nerf bounties? I mean they've had time to see the big picture and to perhaps, in hindsight, re-evaluate that nerf and have done what to remedy the "trouble" that null sec is in?

High sec had nothing to match pre nerf incursions. The same people said they were going to quit over the ice changes and the POCO changes. Its nothing but empty threats that have been screamed every time someones unbalanced golden goose has been nerfed.

We were pointing out that null industry was massively broken 8 years ago.

You will always have those posts, but, as stated before, none of them represent the holistic nerf of highsec on a magnitude that would result in the positives that people who want such a nerf claim it would result in.

That said, I don't think we've seen the sub data to see if there was any change in subs, however minor it may be, that may have correlated with those changes.

Thanks for sticking with us Baltec. It looks like a lot of us are ganging up on you and I do appreciate you hanging in there with us. Seriously.

Null industry has been broken forever man. You're not lying. They did implement some improvements though and are there not more on the way?

But there again you run into the issue of the AFK Cloaky *******, the constant DScan local checking, docking when Neut = TRUE.

I think your best course of action is to write up a serious proposal for how to fix Null Industry, work it out with your fellow Null Industrialists. really consider what your vision is and how best to implement it. Leave out any language involving nerfs to other regions as honestly, I think that is unproductive and will only look like brow-beating. Put it in Features and Ideas, link to it in your sig. Hell send me an EveMail about it and I'll put it in my damn signature.

I really enjoy this game brother. And I'm not feeding you a line when I say that I want you to enjoy it too. But we can both make it better without turning it into an Us v. Them thing right?

Unfortunately, nerfs are needed sometimes. In the case of industry, you cannot compete with free so high sec will be having to see charges to use their facilities go up sharply just to get null and WH on an even footing as well as some very big changes in the way outposts and POS work.

No **** null has seen nerf after nerf. So has every sector as we mentioned many times.

Grow some balls and move to w-space if you wanna make real money.

How is it that Null is banging their fists on the table and WH denizens just do their thing without a care for what is happening here? Is W-space any less of a challenge?

So long as those nerfs are not intended to fully cripple highsec industry and exist only to improve industry in Null I am not averse to reading it. My thinking however is that it really isn't a competition is it? Instead of selling officer/faction mods in Jita, sell them in a Null system or better yet put them on contract for the **** you need. Ruby said Tritanium is in short supply and you guys can't seem to get enough of it. If you use the assets that are strictly Null in origin can you not leverage those for what you need?

I'll give you X Tritanium for that Pith-A whatchamacallit.


Seems to me that you are selling short on this **** by selling it in Empire. If people want to fly bling ships, make them come get the **** from you at a higher cost than what you would make in Empire of course, Or those tosser mission runners can just fit T2 and cry about how ****** their fit is unless they go to Null.

Just spit-balling ideas here man.

No **** null has seen nerf after nerf. So has every sector as we mentioned many times.

So long as those nerfs are not intended to fully cripple highsec industry and exist only to improve industry in Null I am not averse to reading it.

unfortunately whatever is said gets a bunch of drips completely missing the point yelling 'you're trying to force us into nullsec', 'you nullbears have just been doing it wrong', 'well stop shooting non-blues who try to go to null', 'nullsec is supposed to be somalia' (lol) etc etc etc

unfortunately whatever is said gets a bunch of drips completely missing the point yelling 'you're trying to force us into nullsec', 'you nullbears have just been doing it wrong', 'well stop shooting non-blues who try to go to null', 'nullsec is supposed to be somalia' (lol) etc etc etc

They have the slots potential easily after the last round of buffs

Oh, do they now?

What did we manage to figure out about that, anyway? Wasn't it something like 60 billion over 2 stations and 2 systems just to get the production equivalent to an average highsec station(station, not system)?

I honestly don't remember it, but I do recall that the specifics posted made me laugh so hard I choked.