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Eskiban Vlasic
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Posted - 2006.04.07 15:46:00 -
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Personally I'm willing to see what happens so I won't be shooting at ISS *yet*
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The Suicidal Newb
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Kalissa
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Posted - 2006.04.07 15:46:00 -
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BoB seem to want to have their cake and eat it here.
They don't want the hassle of maintaining a POS and keeping soverignty, yet they want to control who owns the station even though they don't want it.
Sorry, no. Doesn't work like that. You want a station keep it yourself, if you don't want it, then you gotta take pot luck on who owns it.
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Thomas Corbett
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Posted - 2006.04.07 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: Thomas Corbett on 07/04/2006 15:53:39
Argh! Damn alts, damn them all to hell... main reply coming.
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Eskiban Vlasic
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Posted - 2006.04.07 15:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Thomas Corbett
Edited by: Thomas Corbett on 07/04/2006 15:46:45
Arrr! I'm an alt. Ignore me. How do you change default posting, anyway?
it's somewhere in your player profile.
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.04.07 15:53:00 -
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many people view ISS just as big fat Pinata filled with t2 cookies, those ppl have waited for a long time for a reason to shoot ISS
and now ISS served them it on a silver tablet
while logically it may not a bad idea, ec goes into "neutral" hands, no enemy force holding a chokepoint etc., realistically it couldnt be a worse move for ISS
perhaps they had noble intentions andnot greed but i doubt it, either way, in the long run this only damaged them
Originally by: Oveur
****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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David Corbett
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Posted - 2006.04.07 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: David Corbett on 07/04/2006 15:55:17
And now a double post? I should just give up.
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David Corbett
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Posted - 2006.04.07 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Eskiban Vlasic
Originally by: Thomas Corbett
Edited by: Thomas Corbett on 07/04/2006 15:46:45
Arrr! I'm an alt. Ignore me. How do you change default posting, anyway?
it's somewhere in your player profile.
Thank you.
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David Corbett
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Posted - 2006.04.07 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 07/04/2006 15:53:02
Originally by: David Corbett
(cont'd) most dangerous systems in EVE? Seriously, some of you people make no sense at all. Besides, BoB already has in-house builders. As well, the great deal of northern whining going on in this thread is somewhat hilarious, considering that you can dock at that outpost now and I can't. Funny that you'd feel so close to TRUST if it were just a question of docking rights...
Its a northern, alibet neutral industrail alliance, that was assaulted by southern alliances and wicked Northerns.
Of course we have a ******* problem.
Hello fritz o/
Really? I don't recall IRON, when you were in it, charging off to save PA or SDX or all those other northern alliances that got the smackdown recently.
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Eskiban Vlasic
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Posted - 2006.04.07 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Tiuwaz
many people view ISS just as big fat Pinata filled with t2 cookies, those ppl have waited for a long time for a reason to shoot ISS
and now ISS served them it on a silver tablet
while logically it may not a bad idea, ec goes into "neutral" hands, no enemy force holding a chokepoint etc., realistically it couldnt be a worse move for ISS
perhaps they had noble intentions andnot greed but i doubt it, either way, in the long run this only damaged them
Yeah, I don't see any way that EC will suddenly turn into a safe place because if ISS.
As far as I can tell, EC will always be "business as usual" for gatecamps of all varieties.
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Eskiban Vlasic
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Posted - 2006.04.07 15:56:00 -
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hehe yeah time to throw in the towel
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.04.07 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tiuwaz
many people view ISS just as big fat Pinata filled with t2 cookies, those ppl have waited for a long time for a reason to shoot ISS
and now ISS served them it on a silver tablet
People who think that have never fought ISS. The reality is the complete opposite because ISS isnt a rich alliance - not many T2 BPOS, outposts run as not-for-profit etc.
We're well known for our T1 frigate gangs in the south, you'll not find T2 drops from our gangs. Also, because we are so decentralised, its very difficult to actually pin us down like you could a territorial alliance. We could literally be anywhere on that big eve map.
We have seen time and time again people empire wardeccing the ISS thinking 'oh great, lots of easy kills' but the reality is nothing like that and very few of our wars last longer than a week.
But thats just a point of information more than anything. When we are operating out of 0.0 people shoot us all the time anyway, so we're used to it 
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Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2006.04.07 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Eskiban Vlasic
Originally by: Tiuwaz
many people view ISS just as big fat Pinata filled with t2 cookies, those ppl have waited for a long time for a reason to shoot ISS
and now ISS served them it on a silver tablet
while logically it may not a bad idea, ec goes into "neutral" hands, no enemy force holding a chokepoint etc., realistically it couldnt be a worse move for ISS
perhaps they had noble intentions andnot greed but i doubt it, either way, in the long run this only damaged them
Yeah, I don't see any way that EC will suddenly turn into a safe place because if ISS.
As far as I can tell, EC will always be "business as usual" for gatecamps of all varieties.
I always thought of EC as a banquet room. Every day someone new is renting it out, having fun, and no one else is invited.
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Darko1107
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Posted - 2006.04.07 15:59:00 -
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Lol funny dangerous. But remember, i doubt Molle and the ISS rep talk quite as spasticated as you.
I think -- you kno-w wha---t i mean )))).
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Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2006.04.07 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: David Corbett
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 07/04/2006 15:53:02
Originally by: David Corbett
(cont'd) most dangerous systems in EVE? Seriously, some of you people make no sense at all. Besides, BoB already has in-house builders. As well, the great deal of northern whining going on in this thread is somewhat hilarious, considering that you can dock at that outpost now and I can't. Funny that you'd feel so close to TRUST if it were just a question of docking rights...
Its a northern, alibet neutral industrail alliance, that was assaulted by southern alliances and wicked Northerns.
Of course we have a ******* problem.
Hello fritz o/
Really? I don't recall IRON, when you were in it, charging off to save PA or SDX or all those other northern alliances that got the smackdown recently.
Save the sick, or protect the healthy?
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.04.07 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Krackerjack
BoB have said they won't tolerate TRUST moving back in
Realistically though... does BoB have a say in the matter?
Having paid attention in a few threads, it's becoming increasingly obvious that the EC- invasion has been an unbelievable PR victory for BoB. They've convinced the whole cluster that, with a bit of help from supporting actors, they've knocked over 36 POS and an outpost basically single-handedly, making them the biggest bad-asses in Eve.
Then you read the odd quiet post from ASCN pointing out that between them they and AXE brought up around 60% of the pilots mounting the holding action in EC - Molle publically credits ASCN and AXE with achieving the lockdown themselves. Then the combined BoB and ATUK capital fleets go to work on the POS. If you assume that, say ATUK brought 100 pilots with them, you're looking at a BoB presence of about 150. It seems that in actual fact BoB brought a quarter of the pilots and probably half of the capital ships along. And yet everyone's lauding them as the conquerors of EC-.
And now BoB get to decide who runs the EC- Outpost? Ok, they have sovereignty, fine. However, they've also just gone hostile on the entire cluster. If in this, their single biggest operation ever, they only brought along 150-200 pilots - 300 if you include the remnants of ATUK and you're feeling generous. Is this really enough strength to dictate the future of the outpost and defend their home systems? If TRUST move back in, and if they have the money to throw up a bunch more starbases, do BoB, even bolstered with their new intake, really have the capability to take it back again and protect their interests in the south? I don't think the answer to that question is nearly as obvious as people are assuming it is...
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Bavarian Punk
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Posted - 2006.04.07 16:01:00 -
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Edited by: Bavarian Punk on 07/04/2006 16:04:15
It already was a funny irony to me that the attack on EC-P8R made the claimed non-neutrality of TRUST a self-fulfilling prophecy. We were neutral but we have at least to rethink/redefine that now.
It's even more funny that the second truely neutral entity in the universe voluntarily bends over to get f*cked all over. ISS has just lost it's virginity 
That must have been the mysterious step four. And indeed a nice one it was, BoB
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Snakester
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Posted - 2006.04.07 16:01:00 -
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i think only 100 rl ppl play EVE, every char is therefore an alt :/
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Mr Trouble
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Posted - 2006.04.07 16:03:00 -
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So...
What is G/IRON/TRUST going to do then?
ISS have said you can walk in and have the outpost - are you going to? Or do you want them to manage it.
Time to stop your flaming and tell EVE what it is you want to do. ISS have been brave doing this, and they knew it would come with risks, but the seem to have noble intentions and are offering you EC on a plate.
So what are you going to do? Do you want EC or not?
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Xthril Ranger
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Posted - 2006.04.07 16:03:00 -
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Don't know why the G and friends complain about this. ISS is a much better neighbour than BoB , especially when 5/F-E retaliation begins.
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TheKiller8
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Posted - 2006.04.07 16:11:00 -
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So BoB/ASCN took TRUSTs Outpost and gave it to ISS?
Oh, it's on now.
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Skylari
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Posted - 2006.04.07 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Trouble
So...
What is G/IRON/TRUST going to do then?
I keep reading this G/IRON/TRUST thingy... well its G/IRON .... and there is TRUST.
Those alliances are connected as ISS/BOB/ASCN... Basicly we do not care with
whom we make money...
regards,
Skylari
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Alberta
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Posted - 2006.04.07 16:14:00 -
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Here's what's really got me confused.
1) There's an outpost in EC-P8R owned and run by a neutral industrial alliance.
2) The whateveryouwanttocallus coalition comes in, blows up the POS and takes the outpost.
3) Coalition goes home.
4) The outpost in EC-P8R is in the hands of a neutral industrial alliance.
Why all the whining and threats from the northern folks? How has your situation changed?
Unsuprisingly my conclusion is what was said at the beginning of the seige, T R U S T aren't actually as neutral as you'd like us to believe.
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Eskiban Vlasic
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Posted - 2006.04.07 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Trouble
What is G/IRON/TRUST going to do then?
These 3 alliances have nothing to do with one another.
IRON left deklein and the North
TRUST is an unrelated industrial alliance
G is, well, G.
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Mr Trouble
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Posted - 2006.04.07 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Skylari
Originally by: Mr Trouble
So...
What is G/IRON/TRUST going to do then?
I keep reading this G/IRON/TRUST thingy... well its G/IRON .... and there is TRUST.
Those alliances are connected as ISS/BOB/ASCN... Basicly we do not care with
whom we make money...
regards,
Skylari
Stop being pedantic. The question still stands.
Do you want the outpost or not? ISS have said you can walk in and take it.
Go get it. Or Shut it. Because this IRON/G/RAZOR/TRUST forum flaming makes you look kinda stupid when ISS are sitting there saying 'excuse me, BoB have given us this outpost, do you guys want it back'.
But instead of going and attacking BoB, they flame ISS. You guys need to sort out your priorities.
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Kebabbinn
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Posted - 2006.04.07 16:18:00 -
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The heads of iss are just alts of bob members.
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Doragee
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Posted - 2006.04.07 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Alberta
Here's what's really got me confused.
1) There's an outpost in EC-P8R owned and run by a neutral industrial alliance.
2) The whateveryouwanttocallus coalition comes in, blows up the POS and takes the outpost.
3) Coalition goes home.
4) The outpost in EC-P8R is in the hands of a neutral industrial alliance.
Why all the whining and threats from the northern folks? How has your situation changed?
Unsuprisingly my conclusion is what was said at the beginning of the seige, T R U S T aren't actually as neutral as you'd like us to believe.
Ok, now folowing FICTION:
1. MC built this shiny outpost
2. G/IRON/RZR/all others think: It's within BoBs claim, ergo: MC=Mercs=BoBs alts
3. They blob it, take it (fictional)
4. afterwards they decide to hand it over to...let's say KIA...
A OP taken from a Merc-corp and given back to a Merc-Corp...would you care, if it's within your area of influence??
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Krackerjack
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Posted - 2006.04.07 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Doragee
Originally by: Alberta
Here's what's really got me confused.
1) There's an outpost in EC-P8R owned and run by a neutral industrial alliance.
2) The whateveryouwanttocallus coalition comes in, blows up the POS and takes the outpost.
3) Coalition goes home.
4) The outpost in EC-P8R is in the hands of a neutral industrial alliance.
Why all the whining and threats from the northern folks? How has your situation changed?
Unsuprisingly my conclusion is what was said at the beginning of the seige, T R U S T aren't actually as neutral as you'd like us to believe.
Ok, now folowing FICTION:
1. MC built this shiny outpost
2. G/IRON/RZR/all others think: It's within BoBs claim, ergo: MC=Mercs=BoBs alts
3. They blob it, take it (fictional)
4. afterwards they decide to hand it over to...let's say KIA...
A OP taken from a Merc-corp and given back to a Merc-Corp...would you care, if it's within your area of influence??
Thats a rubbish counter example.
Neutral industrial alliances don't go around shooting people do they - try a bit harder next time.
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SinBin
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Posted - 2006.04.07 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Thomas Corbett
Edited by: Thomas Corbett on 07/04/2006 15:53:39
Argh! Damn alts, damn them all to hell... main reply coming.
Get a grip man, look right below as your typing, it says CARACTER & has your current name there, its a pull down menu below the smile faces & preview button.
If you hadnt been posting with an alt it would have defaulted to your main so how can you not know were it is ?.
Still I felt your trying atleast.
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Joannu
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Posted - 2006.04.07 16:33:00 -
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BOB = Necromongers cleansing the universe
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Assassin 2
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Posted - 2006.04.07 16:39:00 -
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sounds to me like a lot of fireworks are heading in ISS's direction  best of luck.
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