Originally by: Oveur

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****! Lets nerf it!

To the nerfmobile!

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Originally by: Kalissa

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Edited by: Kalissa on 07/04/2006 11:05:55
Seems to me ISS is looking a lot less neutral than it did.

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Originally by: Xanta

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lol if trust want their outpost back what then?

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Originally by: j0sephine

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"i spent a week camping ec-p8r and didn't even get the docking rights"

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Originally by: Count TaSessine

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...

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Originally by: sidthesexist

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Im guessing that BoB is trying to screw up the market as much as possible.

ASCN next then if they keep up the 'kill the market producers'

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Originally by: Saal Iverson

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heh TRUST vs ISS war would be funny.

you shoot us we are neut
no you shoot are we are neut!
no no you must aggress us first!

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Xanta

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lol if trust want their outpost back what then?

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Well its been clearly stated that the only other option to ISS managing the outpost is for one of the conquering alliances to manage it.

A neutral station is the best compromise for all concerned.

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Originally by: Hast

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Originally by: sidthesexist

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Im guessing that BoB is trying to screw up the market as much as possible.

ASCN next then if they keep up the 'kill the market producers'

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we need to keep HAC and Cap recharger II prices high


and talk to Siim for cheap cap rechargers II

if you convo him you will get 10 for a 100mill

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Edited by: Darko1107 on 07/04/2006 11:16:11
Is this a late april fools?

I dont think i could even think of a bigger mistake for a self proclaimed "neutral" alliance to make.

I was going to keep you friendly to iron, that just changed.

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Originally by: TheJay

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I went to MLM and all I got was this lousy alliance

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Quote:

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I dont think i could even think of a bigger mistake for a self proclaimed "neutral" alliance to make.

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Originally by: Amerame

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ISS is now taking side in wars ? F1 F2 F3 ?

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Originally by: Xanta

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It was a privatly owned neutral station.

Those who took it are hardly in a position to hold it with 600 man blobs now i wonder who has the most isk to burn to keep it trust or iss?

Oh and as the two leaders of iss are a bit ;s this isn't really that shocking

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Originally by: ISS Marthingy website

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13. How will the risk of the Outpost being taken from the ISS be reduced?
The outpost is supported by the neighbouring alliances, who are also the major beneficiaires of the outpost, both because they are shareholders in ISSMO and because of the infrastructure upgrade it represents to the region. In terms of security, sovereignty of the system containing the outpost will be ensured by a heavily defended group of POS. Management of the POS will be performed by ISS management corporations (ISS Logistics, ISS Navy Task Force, ISS Operations, ISS Marginis Outpost Corporation).

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Originally by: ISS Marthingy website

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16. Who won't be able to dock at the station?
To begin with, all pilots and corporations can dock at the outpost. Pilots, corporations or alliances will be set to -ve standings and incur either penalty surcharges or denied docking privileges for the following:
- Committing acts of piracy regularly in the outpost system and neighbouring systems resulting in a major disruption of trade
- Committing acts of aggression towards the ISS including:
- Declaring war on the ISS
- Accepting or Initiating Mercinary contracts against the ISS
- Setting -ve standings towards the ISS
- Declaring ISS alliance pilots KOS (Kill on Sight)

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Originally by: James Lyrus

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Originally by: Amerame

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ISS is now taking side in wars ? F1 F2 F3 ?

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When you have a 'diplomatic situation' sometimes a 3rd party is needed as mediation.

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Originally by: sidthesexist

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Originally by: James Lyrus

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Originally by: Amerame

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ISS is now taking side in wars ? F1 F2 F3 ?

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When you have a 'diplomatic situation' sometimes a 3rd party is needed as mediation.

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And sometimes the 3rd party has an alterior motive and dies...

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Xanta

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It was a privatly owned neutral station.

Those who took it are hardly in a position to hold it with 600 man blobs now i wonder who has the most isk to burn to keep it trust or iss?

Oh and as the two leaders of iss are a bit ;s this isn't really that shocking

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BoB made it perfectly clear that trust moving back in wasnt an option. So what do you do? Either let a territorial alliance claim it, blocking off a key travel route.... or do you keep it neutral?

You really have to ask yourself about the other options available, and when you look at the facts... well, its a tough one to be sure, but this seems like a solution which works.

At the end of the day, if G/Trust want to get the outpost back they will be able to take it. We certainly wouldnt fight them. But what happens then? BoB come along and the same thing happens again.

It will be interesting to see how it goes. But we're not about to fight for it. Maintaining a public outpost (to which TRUST will no doubt have preferable access, I don't know the finer details) seems a good solution for all concerned given the other options available. And thats really the key question - what else can be done?

Is there even ANY solution? Possibly not. Maybe the EC outpost is destined to change hands multiple times. All we're saying is, if you want a neutral outpost which BoB are not going to come an conquer, here is a possible solution.

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Originally by: Darko1107

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This is beyond pathetic. You think you shouldnt give it back to trust because G/RZR will be scared of the big bad bob coming back to take it?

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Blah blah blah

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Originally by: Juan Andalusian

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Blah blah blah

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You are absolutely right! ISS should be appointed managers of Deklein too, i heard that the local residents abandoned it.

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Darko1107

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This is beyond pathetic. You think you shouldnt give it back to trust because G/RZR will be scared of the big bad bob coming back to take it?

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No, I'm clearly not saying that.

I said if G/TRUST want it back, we're not going to oppose that with force. We're not here to do any fighting, this is just a possible solution which won't involve another week-long siege.

I'm quite sure if you guys really want that outpost as a territorial one, you'll get it. And we would respect that. You might have another fight on your hands shortly after from others... but not from us.

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Originally by: Karunel

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Oh well I guess you've thought about it more than I. I could totally see TRUST hiring mercs to take the system back tho, with it being just one jump from empire and all...

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Originally by: Juan Andalusian

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Blah blah blah

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You are absolutely right! ISS should be appointed managers of Deklein too, i heard that the local residents abandoned it.

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Originally by: Juan Andalusian

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Originally by: Juan Andalusian

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Blah blah blah

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You are absolutely right! ISS should be appointed managers of Deklein too, i heard that the local residents abandoned it.

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Funny that im pretty sure EVOL did the same however many months ago when they packed up and left branch?

I think you did it cos we pwned you. Yep, thats my ignorant view on the matter.

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You didn't have a neutral entity to give it to though :) so we still win.

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Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui

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may come as a shock to you but BOB down own the god damn game do they? just because bob says something doesnt mean people do it ,they arent devs ,they arent CCP and they dont own the rights to the game.

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Darko1107

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IF trust want it back? Why the hell wouldnt they? Its further away from a solution that its practically the opposite. Even if they decide not to take it back, you can bet you'll still be on -10, and you'll lose your pretty little outpost in pureblind especially since its about 1-2 dread jumps from xzh.

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Why wouldn't they? Because BoB will seige it again, perhaps? What are the alternatives? Do you want the outpost neutral or would you rather it was claimed territorially?

We run the outposts as not-for-profit ventures, actually the ISS make no money from them *at all* because all revenues are paid as dividends.

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Originally by: Juan Andalusian

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Originally by: Juan Andalusian

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Blah blah blah

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You are absolutely right! ISS should be appointed managers of Deklein too, i heard that the local residents abandoned it.

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Funny that im pretty sure EVOL did the same however many months ago when they packed up and left branch?

I think you did it cos we pwned you. Yep, thats my ignorant view on the matter.

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You didn't have a neutral entity to give it to though :) so we still win.

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Originally by: Doragee

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What i heard of was the fact that some control towers were anchored already yesterday evening to claim sov. today. So ISS anchoring towers while the allied south forces still were in EC- and you still claim to be NEUTRAL??? o_O

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Edited by: Darko1107 on 07/04/2006 11:16:11
Is this a late april fools?

I dont think i could even think of a bigger mistake for a self proclaimed "neutral" alliance to make.

I was going to keep you friendly to iron, that just changed.

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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock

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ffs guys, stop the whining.

iss got an offer to hold the outpost, bob has no interests in holding the outpost themselves, they only wanted to stop trust and their capital ship programs i guess.

so why not give it to iss if you are not going to use the outpost anyway? iss is still neutral, infact, they are doing most people a favour by taking the outpost under their flag, as people will still be able to dock and do their thing in ec-p8r, and that is something i would not be able to do with bob holding the outpost.

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Originally by: Redblade

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Edited by: Redblade on 07/04/2006 11:55:27

Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui

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may come as a shock to you but BOB down own the god damn game do they? just because bob says something doesnt mean people do it ,they arent devs ,they arent CCP and they dont own the rights to the game.

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We'r not ?

Im sure i have read atleast 5-10 threads that say we are so it must be true.

/me goes back polishing the GM i win button

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Originally by: j0sephine

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"I want the outpost claimed by Trust, as they built it."

Well obviously IRON wants the outpost back in hands of the G alts... ;s

* runs like heck before another page of posts is added to the thread... like, most fun forum friday ever :o

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Originally by: j0sephine

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"I want the outpost claimed by Trust, as they built it."

Well obviously IRON wants the outpost back in hands of the G alts... ;s

* runs like heck before another page of posts is added to the thread... like, most fun forum friday ever :o

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Originally by: Emno

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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock

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ffs guys, stop the whining.

iss got an offer to hold the outpost, bob has no interests in holding the outpost themselves, they only wanted to stop trust and their capital ship programs i guess.

so why not give it to iss if you are not going to use the outpost anyway? iss is still neutral, infact, they are doing most people a favour by taking the outpost under their flag, as people will still be able to dock and do their thing in ec-p8r, and that is something i would not be able to do with bob holding the outpost.

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iss do nothing to get it 10% shares
trust build it 5% shares

notice anything wrong here

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Emno

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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock

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ffs guys, stop the whining.

iss got an offer to hold the outpost, bob has no interests in holding the outpost themselves, they only wanted to stop trust and their capital ship programs i guess.

so why not give it to iss if you are not going to use the outpost anyway? iss is still neutral, infact, they are doing most people a favour by taking the outpost under their flag, as people will still be able to dock and do their thing in ec-p8r, and that is something i would not be able to do with bob holding the outpost.

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iss do nothing to get it 10% shares
trust build it 5% shares

notice anything wrong here

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Have you considered that perhaps the terms of this were not dictated by us?

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Quote:

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Have you considered that perhaps the terms of this were not dictated by us?

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Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui

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Quote:

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Have you considered that perhaps the terms of this were not dictated by us?

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and you had no choice but to accept right? $_$

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Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu

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Edited by: Astarte Nosferatu on 07/04/2006 12:16:54
It's a shame such a good alliance has to die like this. I'll be more then happy to loot your T2 BPO's though .

Oh, I'm glad I sold all my ISS shares aswell, I can only see them go downhill from now on.

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Originally by: Ginuwin

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Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui

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Quote:

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Have you considered that perhaps the terms of this were not dictated by us?

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and you had no choice but to accept right? $_$

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Tends to be common practise when you want to conclude a deal to accept the terms offered.

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Originally by: Bloofunky

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Edited by: Bloofunky on 07/04/2006 12:25:53
All you people banging ISS over this... how about you give YOUR opinion on what should have happened?

The force that took EC had 1 goal - to stop the cap' ship production. Those ships would have gone to the enemies of the attackers in the long run.. so it was a smart move by ASCN/BOB/others to take the outpost and shut down operations. Now they are willing to back out and move along, and give EC back to public hands. Who else should take it? G/IRON/TRUST? they have all been working together, if the outpost goes back to them they will be a direct threat to BOB and Co once again, and you would see EC taken over once more. ISS took a politcal step help create a middleground that everyone can atleast LIVE with.

I say hats off to BoB/ASCN for kicking some arse, hats off to G/others for fighting as much as you could. And a pat on the back to ISS for risking your neck for what your charters clearly state. PUBLIC TRAVEL IN 0.0 SPACE.

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Originally by: Darko1107

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This has to rank one of my top 10 most favourite threads ever.

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Originally by: Count TaSessine

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- Cassini will become an ISS station and the rules applying to Marginis and Borealis (see www.eve-iss.com for details of our rules of engagement), also apply to this one.

- As is the case with all ISS stations, all pod pilots in Eve can dock at the station and use its facilities.

- The no-docking list from our other outposts will be applied with immediate effect in Cassini. This means that BoB, among others, will not have docking rights to the station due to their repeated violations of our system wide no-fire zones in the other ISS outpost systems.

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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We presented an option, but if they would prefer claiming it back, with the associated risks, then we will not be standing in the way.

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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We run the outposts as not-for-profit ventures, actually the ISS make no money from them *at all* because all revenues are paid as dividends.

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Have you considered that perhaps the terms of this were not dictated by us?

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Originally by: Joerd Toastius

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Conveniently ignoring the fact that you're also major shareholders?

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Joerd Toastius

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Conveniently ignoring the fact that you're also major shareholders?

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The vast majority of shares are outside the ISS. We're too poor to buy them ourselves

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Originally by: James Lyrus

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Oy, shouldn't you be mining Veld? Count's in need of a couple more carriers :)

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Originally by: Maya Rkell

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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 07/04/2006 12:49:48
Well, there's one CLEAR answer.

Outposts should be destroyable. By the owner. Self-destruct..BOOM.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=320423

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Originally by: Chain Gang

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You guys are funny ......


BoB didn't want Trust holding EC-P8R (Capital Ship Yards)...... so they took it ... Fact

BoB want to move on and leave EC-P8R... Fact

BoB are / were not going to simple give it back to them ... Fact

Option ..... Only 1 ... Fact

Get a third party to manage it ..... and as there is only 1 alliance in Eve
who can / does run multiple outpost ... ISS

It doesn't take a "brain surgeon" to work out why things happened but it looks like it
takes a few idiots to write dribble in this post ...

I prefer the ISS allowing me to dock in EC-P8R than getting destroyed by 600 BoB ..

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Edited by: Darko1107 on 07/04/2006 11:16:11
Is this a late april fools?

I dont think i could even think of a bigger mistake for a self proclaimed "neutral" alliance to make.

I was going to keep you friendly to iron, that just changed.

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Originally by: Skank

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Is ISS an alt alliance of Bob ?

(just joking but this thread just reminds me something ... )

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Originally by: Korah

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BoB doesn't have the option of sticking around in EC. They have given it to their industrial friend alliance for management. ISS is now raising 20+ billion isk for something they haven't built. BoB gets a cut of the isk.

ISS is not neutral.

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Originally by: corporal hicks

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Lots of people whining on about ISS having the station..simple go take it off them, there ships make pretty lights in space when they pop and they have the weirdest fittings.

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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The vast majority of shares are outside the ISS. We're too poor to buy them ourselves

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Originally by: Maya Rkell

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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 07/04/2006 12:49:48
Well, there's one CLEAR answer.

Outposts should be destroyable. By the owner. Self-destruct..BOOM.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=320423

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Originally by: djNME

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I do think it was bold move for a nuetral alliance.Only because of the events that unfolded there.Well not only that but, if I was trust I would be hiring every merc corp in game... but I would of also did that the day it happened to camp off torrinos etc.

Personaly I think people are just happy to shoot at ISS due to the thoughts of tech II drops.Another twist in the plot and more things to go pop.

enjoy to all parties

djNME

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Originally by: Kraeze

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This should get interesting.

ISS, you could have said no

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Originally by: Princess Alvilda

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Bob ascn/axe .5. etc cant dock at ISS in the north.

Why they give it to ISS?

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Originally by: Princess Alvilda

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Bob ascn/axe .5. etc cant dock at ISS in the north.

Why they give it to ISS?

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Originally by: Sitri

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Question - Why is ISS selling shares in a completed outpost? Surely the idea was to sell shares to create an outpost since its so expensive?

Who is going to get most of the profits from this?!? Any guesses? Easy 10-20b for....answers on a postcard

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Originally by: prsr

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So as a prospective investor, uhm, how is ISS going to protect this station from takeover?

It seems a bit odd that ISS expects people to buy shares in a second hand outpost that is quite likely to be captured again soon.

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Originally by: Joerd Toastius

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Or maybe some of the northern residents are trying to look at this objectively rather than simply from the point of view of their own interests? Yes, it may be great for IRON, but that doesn't preclude IRON from coming to the conclusion that it's a questionable move for ISS.

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Originally by: prsr

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So as a prospective investor, uhm, how is ISS going to protect this station from takeover?

It seems a bit odd that ISS expects people to buy shares in a second hand outpost that is quite likely to be captured again soon.

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Originally by: Alex Tremayne

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Clearly this is a major sticking point for people: Where is the money from the sale of shares going to go? I don't know what the plan is myself, I wish I did.

So, Count, Serenity? I'm a member of ISS and I don't want to see us go down in flames, which is what is going to happen if you don't explain to everyone where the money is going to go.

This needs to be sorted out soon, because the damage may already have been done.

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Originally by: Mr Trouble

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Originally by: Alex Tremayne

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Clearly this is a major sticking point for people: Where is the money from the sale of shares going to go? I don't know what the plan is myself, I wish I did.

So, Count, Serenity? I'm a member of ISS and I don't want to see us go down in flames, which is what is going to happen if you don't explain to everyone where the money is going to go.

This needs to be sorted out soon, because the damage may already have been done.

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Well, I reckon that money is going to go to Trust as compensation for the outpost.

I'd be willing to bet a lot of ISK on it too...

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Originally by: Boonaki

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If I had been the one trying to figure out what to do with the outpost, I would of came to the same conclusion. ISS... If they had said they didn't want it, I would have politely told them to take it. If they still refused, time to lay siege to their other outposts until they take it.

Love being forcefull...

I had nothing to do with any of this btw. Just how I would handle it, and prob why I'm not a BoB "diplomat".

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Originally by: Sitri

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Originally by: Mr Trouble

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Well, I reckon that money is going to go to Trust as compensation for the outpost.

I'd be willing to bet a lot of ISK on it too...

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Yep, its already been mentioned they will get 5% Might as well kick them in the balloons while your at it

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Originally by: j0sephine

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"Why they give it to ISS?"

Can you look at this thread and say with straight face it wasn't worth it for this alone :s

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Originally by: Mr Trouble

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Originally by: Kraeze

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This should get interesting.

ISS, you could have said no

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But we don't know what pressure ISS were under.

God knows what BoB could have said to them if they didnt accept - perhaps ISS were scared after seeing what happened to EC... I don't think any of this will be that simple.

Its a brave move for ISS, and I genuinely believe they mean well... And I can see how it would work.

But don't for one second think that they didnt have a gun held to their head when they 'agreed' to do this.

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Originally by: Asif BADKARMA

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Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.


WTB a shed load of spike S

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Originally by: Boonaki

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If I had been the one trying to figure out what to do with the outpost, I would of came to the same conclusion. ISS... If they had said they didn't want it, I would have politely told them to take it. If they still refused, time to lay siege to their other outposts until they take it.

Love being forcefull...

I had nothing to do with any of this btw. Just how I would handle it, and prob why I'm not a BoB "diplomat".

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Originally by: Flipped

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So BOB has a problem having an Outpost in EC. If ISS becomes the problemsolver that makes them looses their neutrality status imo.

I'd suggest you to turn down the proposal and keep your members neutral, someone will claim the outpost one way or the other.

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Originally by: Count TaSessine

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- The no-docking list from our other outposts will be applied with immediate effect in Cassini. This means that BoB, among others, will not have docking rights to the station due to their repeated violations of our system wide no-fire zones in the other ISS outpost systems.

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Originally by: Fred0

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Unbeliaveble ISS. After loosing two carriers in 3 minutes with those fittings perhaps, just perhaps you should go and get your head checked instead of doing this

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Originally by: O Thief

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And what if that wasnt an option because BoB were holding a loaded gun to their head (which lets face it seems likely)?
At least ISS are saying that Trust can walk in and claim it if they want to risk that. They seem to have done the North a favour.

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Originally by: Krackerjack

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Edited by: Krackerjack on 07/04/2006 14:22:34

Originally by: Fred0

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Unbeliaveble ISS. After loosing two carriers in 3 minutes with those fittings perhaps, just perhaps you should go and get your head checked instead of doing this

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I don't see what losing a few carriers has to do with anything.

And what do you propose happens to the station in EC? BoB have said they won't tolerate TRUST moving back in, no-one else seems to want it... ISS would run it as an open station and not-for-profit like all their outposts.

I see a lot of flames but no realistic suggestions which work - that outpost isnt going away, someone needs to manage it.

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Originally by: Chain Gang

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Get a third party to manage it ..... and as there is only 1 alliance in Eve
who can / does run multiple outpost ... ISS

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Originally by: Flipped

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Originally by: O Thief

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And what if that wasnt an option because BoB were holding a loaded gun to their head (which lets face it seems likely)?
At least ISS are saying that Trust can walk in and claim it if they want to risk that. They seem to have done the North a favour.

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They kicked you from Delve many months back but never chased you even when they easily could have.
Do you really think you re that important that they would make you primary after resetting all standings to neutral.

However, assuming they would make you primary because of your refusal, you might become the rallying factor for all those in EVE with a grudge towards BOB.

But I dont think it is going to roll that way as too many pilots in BOB also are some of your shareholders.

So you might be the last ones to have a go a bandwagonneering the BOB

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Originally by: Rafein

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Ah, so first, your gonna sell shares, then if G/Iron want it, not fight for it, but give it to them.

Good plan.

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Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar

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Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it

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Originally by: DANGEROUS

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AT VERY LONG LAST

i can shoot the ass of ALL ISS and their STUPID attempts to bring empire carebear ****e to 0.0.

WE DONT WANT U - - and NOW - u have given us the reason to take u out in all 0.0 areas

I look forward to drinking a tequila docked in the various outposts up north. - OO - yes - they wont be ISS outposts either )))


BTW - to ALL shareholders of ISS - - SELL UP NOW - - in time u wont have any assets in 0.0. -

U have got to big for ur boots ISS - and many will assist u down several pegs - ur neutrality has always been easily questioned. - u deploy POS to take sov under the guard of an invading force - u are their minions.

Now lets see u dance

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Originally by: DANGEROUS

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AT VERY LONG LAST

i can shoot the ass of ALL ISS and their STUPID attempts to bring empire carebear ****e to 0.0.

WE DONT WANT U - - and NOW - u have given us the reason to take u out in all 0.0 areas

I look forward to drinking a tequila docked in the various outposts up north. - OO - yes - they wont be ISS outposts either )))


BTW - to ALL shareholders of ISS - - SELL UP NOW - - in time u wont have any assets in 0.0. -

U have got to big for ur boots ISS - and many will assist u down several pegs - ur neutrality has always been easily questioned. - u deploy POS to take sov under the guard of an invading force - u are their minions.

Now lets see u dance

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Originally by: Malken

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looks like someone painted a bullseye on ISS's butt.

now why did they bend over and let them paint it.

divide and conquer 4tw i suppose

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Originally by: Krackerjack

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Originally by: Malken

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looks like someone painted a bullseye on ISS's butt.

now why did they bend over and let them paint it.

divide and conquer 4tw i suppose

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Trouble is, ISS are so spread out across EVE its impossible to hurt them.

Why do you think their empire war decs never last more than a week or two? Because its actually not very profitable shooting at 1 or 2 haulers with ice products, and with the whole alliance spread across the map, they are difficult to find in large numbers.

And if someone did seige one of their outposts, they'd just call in MC along with every other merc corp in EVE.

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Originally by: Audrea

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Once system is locked down, there is nothing really those merc corps can do.

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Originally by: DANGEROUS

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brain is engaged ... blah blah

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Originally by: Flipped

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Originally by: DANGEROUS

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brain is engaged ... blah blah

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Engaging it didn't help you at all

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Originally by: Kryztal

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This thread is just too funny

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Originally by: SinBin

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Is this alt city or people talking about brains wile being incapable of ticking the show corp info ticky box.

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Originally by: DANGEROUS

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brain is engaged - iss are back peddaling like mad cos they realise they have shown their true colors.
infact - this reminds of a post written by BoB

HIDDEN IN FULL VIEW it was titled - or something like that.

claiming trust were a part of G. load of rubbish that was. - yes G were customers - as many others were.

Butmaybe the idea was so easy for bob to think of cos they themselves have some back door arrangement with ISS --

picture it now - sir molle sitting there in ts with an ISS representative - - hmm -
maybe it would go like this

Sir molle> WE MUST keep up the public impression that BoB and ISS are hostile.
ISS> indeed, that is important the generla populus must never know of our secret relationship.
Sir Molle> Agreed, u are our pets and no one must find out. i am very possessive over who i pimp and u are one of my specials.
ISS> o thank u master molle - let us service u more.
Sir Molle> later my sweet one - first we conclude our business.
ISS> i will keep the K-Y warm master so it doesnt feel to cold...........
Sir Molle> Good lad, to business -- to keep up the pretence of our hostility we will gank some of ur noobs occasionally, clearly this is just so we can be seen to shoot at u.
ISS> that is acceptable master - after all - we are but imbeciles compared to ur greatness.
Sir Molle> indeed u are. - Now here is whats going to happen, as we cant defeat the might og G and tehir associates on our own we have called all of our other pimpable friends such as 5 and ASCN to commit to a highly cordinted attack on the TRUST station In EC - we are sure that TRUST are building G a fearsome capital fleet there.
ISS> this cannot be master. Only u can dominate the empire.
Sir Molle> it is hard to comprehend my friend that anyone could contemplate aggression towards our #cough# peaceful #cough# domination of the universe but some people have a deep hatred for us and we just dont understan why my pet.
ISS> ur words are as sweet as honey master.
Sir Molle> So - we will take EC and then u my little gimp faced freind can manage it in the name of neutrality.
ISS> o master u are so kind, we can bring peace to teh most deadly system in all of eve - cos when we say NO ONE SHOOT IN OUR SYSTEM - THEY ALWAYS obey o master. - and yes yes - i have another idea if u will allow me to offer it to ur huge intelligence master?
Sir Molle> My young friend do not consider me SO arrogant taht i cannot see at least SOME intelligence in other people. - - - p
ISS> thank u master, well we can creat a huge income from sellng ISS shares in this outpost. and we are onto a HUGE winner. ALL that capital gained for almost no expenditure, and and and - o goodness master - it will help us become even richer, as surely the outpost will be taken back and we will be sitting on all this isk - o master ur SO clever.
Sir Molle> i had indeed been considering such an idea and i think we will implement it.
ISS> thank u master - we will deploy POS under ur guard as soon as ec is safe as we are all carebears and have little understanding of what a gun is.
Sir molle> Indeed u dont - now - where is that k-y
ISS> here sir - its here - - let me open it and bend over for u
Sir Molle> OMFG i am SO UBER

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Originally by: Kay Han

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Edited by: Kay Han on 07/04/2006 15:29:42
Finally i¦m allowed to shoot ISS? \/

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Shmmm...


Need clarification on this.

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Originally by: Count TaSessine

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The coalition of alliances, including BoB, F-E, 5, ASCN, who recently seized control of the station in EC-P8R, have asked ISS to take over and manage the station as a public outpost.

After careful deliberation, ISS have accepted the proposal as a vote of confidence and a welcome confirmation that civilian development of 0.0 space is far from incompatible with the goals and ambitions of above mentioned alliances.

With this gesture, they signal that civilian cohabitation in 0.0 space is possible and desired under the right circumstances.

The reason for our acceptance is closely linked with our vision of opening up 0.0 space to as many non-alliance affiliated pilots as possible.

We believe Pure Blind is a perfect sandbox for pilots with little or no 0.0 experience. It is more attractive than empire space, but generally speaking not really valuable enough for alliances to fight over and claim.

With this transition, we hope the region will return to it's previous state of affairs. This action will basically take the station out of the conflict that is raging in the region and allow traffic to flow through EC-P8R once again.

The coalition have clearly stated that the only other alternative to this scenario is that they take control of the station themselves - this, we feel, is not beneficial to the stability and long term interests of the inhabitants of this region.

The outpost will ultimatively benefit far more people under ISS management, than would be the case with a territorial faction controlling it.

The terms of the takeover are as follows:

- The outpost will be called ISS Cassini, named after a famous Italian astronomer from Earth.

- Cassini will become an ISS station and the rules applying to Marginis and Borealis (see www.eve-iss.com for details of our rules of engagement), also apply to this one.

- As is the case with all ISS stations, all pod pilots in Eve can dock at the station and use its facilities.

- The no-docking list from our other outposts will be applied with immediate effect in Cassini. This means that BoB, among others, will not have docking rights to the station due to their repeated violations of our system wide no-fire zones in the other ISS outpost systems.

- In line with its established business practices ISS will transfer ownership of the station as shares to the Eve community in a public share auction. Details of this public offering of shares will be disclosed shortly when we have had time to create a business plan.

ISS will keep 10% of the shares as management fee.

Trust will get 5% shares. Building an outpost is a monumental achievement in both time and ISK which we recognize.

The isk generated by these share sales will pay for the necessary sovereignty controlling starbases (the system has 62 moons), structures, fuel reserves, in-house security arrangements and a number of external mercenary retainers.

The status of previous TRUST jumpclone contracts is being investigated. The status of current office rents is pending assessment of the situation.

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Originally by: Fi T'Zeh

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I bet the ISS navy is quaking in its boots.

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Originally by: Thomas Corbett

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Edited by: Thomas Corbett on 07/04/2006 15:46:45
Arrr! I'm an alt. Ignore me. How do you change default posting, anyway?

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Originally by: Oveur

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****! Lets nerf it!

To the nerfmobile!

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Originally by: Eskiban Vlasic

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Originally by: Thomas Corbett

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Edited by: Thomas Corbett on 07/04/2006 15:46:45
Arrr! I'm an alt. Ignore me. How do you change default posting, anyway?

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it's somewhere in your player profile.

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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg

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Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 07/04/2006 15:53:02

Originally by: David Corbett

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(cont'd) most dangerous systems in EVE? Seriously, some of you people make no sense at all. Besides, BoB already has in-house builders. As well, the great deal of northern whining going on in this thread is somewhat hilarious, considering that you can dock at that outpost now and I can't. Funny that you'd feel so close to TRUST if it were just a question of docking rights...

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Its a northern, alibet neutral industrail alliance, that was assaulted by southern alliances and wicked Northerns.

Of course we have a ******* problem.


Hello fritz o/

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Originally by: Tiuwaz

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many people view ISS just as big fat Pinata filled with t2 cookies, those ppl have waited for a long time for a reason to shoot ISS

and now ISS served them it on a silver tablet



while logically it may not a bad idea, ec goes into "neutral" hands, no enemy force holding a chokepoint etc., realistically it couldnt be a worse move for ISS

perhaps they had noble intentions andnot greed but i doubt it, either way, in the long run this only damaged them

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Originally by: Tiuwaz

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many people view ISS just as big fat Pinata filled with t2 cookies, those ppl have waited for a long time for a reason to shoot ISS

and now ISS served them it on a silver tablet

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Originally by: Eskiban Vlasic

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Originally by: Tiuwaz

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many people view ISS just as big fat Pinata filled with t2 cookies, those ppl have waited for a long time for a reason to shoot ISS

and now ISS served them it on a silver tablet



while logically it may not a bad idea, ec goes into "neutral" hands, no enemy force holding a chokepoint etc., realistically it couldnt be a worse move for ISS

perhaps they had noble intentions andnot greed but i doubt it, either way, in the long run this only damaged them

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Yeah, I don't see any way that EC will suddenly turn into a safe place because if ISS.

As far as I can tell, EC will always be "business as usual" for gatecamps of all varieties.

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Originally by: David Corbett

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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg

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Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 07/04/2006 15:53:02

Originally by: David Corbett

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(cont'd) most dangerous systems in EVE? Seriously, some of you people make no sense at all. Besides, BoB already has in-house builders. As well, the great deal of northern whining going on in this thread is somewhat hilarious, considering that you can dock at that outpost now and I can't. Funny that you'd feel so close to TRUST if it were just a question of docking rights...

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Its a northern, alibet neutral industrail alliance, that was assaulted by southern alliances and wicked Northerns.

Of course we have a ******* problem.


Hello fritz o/

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Really? I don't recall IRON, when you were in it, charging off to save PA or SDX or all those other northern alliances that got the smackdown recently.

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Originally by: Krackerjack

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BoB have said they won't tolerate TRUST moving back in

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Originally by: Mr Trouble

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So...
What is G/IRON/TRUST going to do then?

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Originally by: Mr Trouble

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What is G/IRON/TRUST going to do then?

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Originally by: Skylari

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Originally by: Mr Trouble

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So...
What is G/IRON/TRUST going to do then?

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I keep reading this G/IRON/TRUST thingy... well its G/IRON .... and there is TRUST.
Those alliances are connected as ISS/BOB/ASCN... Basicly we do not care with
whom we make money...

regards,
Skylari

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Originally by: Alberta

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Here's what's really got me confused.

1) There's an outpost in EC-P8R owned and run by a neutral industrial alliance.
2) The whateveryouwanttocallus coalition comes in, blows up the POS and takes the outpost.
3) Coalition goes home.
4) The outpost in EC-P8R is in the hands of a neutral industrial alliance.

Why all the whining and threats from the northern folks? How has your situation changed?

Unsuprisingly my conclusion is what was said at the beginning of the seige, T R U S T aren't actually as neutral as you'd like us to believe.

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Originally by: Doragee

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Originally by: Alberta

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Here's what's really got me confused.

1) There's an outpost in EC-P8R owned and run by a neutral industrial alliance.
2) The whateveryouwanttocallus coalition comes in, blows up the POS and takes the outpost.
3) Coalition goes home.
4) The outpost in EC-P8R is in the hands of a neutral industrial alliance.

Why all the whining and threats from the northern folks? How has your situation changed?

Unsuprisingly my conclusion is what was said at the beginning of the seige, T R U S T aren't actually as neutral as you'd like us to believe.

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Ok, now folowing FICTION:

1. MC built this shiny outpost
2. G/IRON/RZR/all others think: It's within BoBs claim, ergo: MC=Mercs=BoBs alts
3. They blob it, take it (fictional)
4. afterwards they decide to hand it over to...let's say KIA...

A OP taken from a Merc-corp and given back to a Merc-Corp...would you care, if it's within your area of influence??

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Originally by: Thomas Corbett

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Edited by: Thomas Corbett on 07/04/2006 15:53:39
Argh! Damn alts, damn them all to hell... main reply coming.

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Originally by: Assassin 2

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sounds to me like a lot of fireworks are heading in ISS's direction best of luck.

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Originally by: Amerame

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So ISS has no military link with BoB or ASCN and yet managed to get all BoB's enemies to scowl at ISS ready to attack ? Awesome deal you got !

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Originally by: Krackerjack

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Originally by: Assassin 2

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sounds to me like a lot of fireworks are heading in ISS's direction best of luck.

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Well I only see IRON posturing, but so what? they effectively disbanding are leaving Dek and I'm sure when they realise ISS are actually doing them a favour they will understand the pointless nature of hostilities toward them

Why IRON would see ISS as a target when they are offering them the outpost on a plate anyway, I have no idea... would IRON rather the station was still in BoB control? They are being incredibly short-sighted about this

Sort yourself out IRON, your forum output is embarresing

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Originally by: Krackerjack

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Originally by: Assassin 2

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sounds to me like a lot of fireworks are heading in ISS's direction best of luck.

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Well I only see IRON posturing, but so what? they effectively disbanding are leaving Dek and I'm sure when they realise ISS are actually doing them a favour they will understand the pointless nature of hostilities toward them

Why IRON would see ISS as a target when they are offering them the outpost on a plate anyway, I have no idea... would IRON rather the station was still in BoB control? They are being incredibly short-sighted about this

Sort yourself out IRON, your forum output is embarresing

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Originally by: NATMav

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Being a shareholder in the other ISS outpost in Pure Blind, this is definitely worrysome, as it most definitely casts some doubt as to the future of it.

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Originally by: sidthesexist

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TRUST reclaimed the outpost, good on you TRUST :)

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Originally by: sidthesexist

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TRUST reclaimed the outpost, good on you TRUST :)

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Originally by: sidthesexist

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TRUST reclaimed the outpost, good on you TRUST :)

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Originally by: Alberta

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4) The outpost in EC-P8R is in the hands of a neutral industrial alliance.

Why all the whining and threats from the northern folks? How has your situation changed?

Unsuprisingly my conclusion is what was said at the beginning of the seige, T R U S T aren't actually as neutral as you'd like us to believe.

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Edited by: Goberth Ludwig on 07/04/2006 17:23:13
wait - did I just spend 6 days staring at bubbles for... nothing?

boy this sucks

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Edited by: Goberth Ludwig on 07/04/2006 17:23:13
wait - did I just spend 6 days staring at bubbles for... nothing?

boy this sucks

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Originally by: Mr Trouble

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Looks like BoB tried to screw over everyone here - ASCN, ISS, TRUST... they have all suffered because of this.

Time to put them in their place, I would say.

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Originally by: FlyinFish Shriker

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To be honest, it is really a wierd logic IIS is trying to state, you're totaly stating the interest of BoB, with little of yourself nor the ex-owner.

Well, I was trying to throw more flames in but then realised. Hey, it's really harsh to be in the shoe of ISS now, whether they're siding BoB or truely neutral.

So, good luck.

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Edited by: Goberth Ludwig on 07/04/2006 17:23:13
wait - did I just spend 6 days staring at bubbles for... nothing?

boy this sucks

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