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Grand Mal	Posted - 2006.04.07 12:43:00 - [91] You guys sure do care a lot about that outpost, I wonder why that is?
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.04.07 12:44:00 - [92] Well, there's one CLEAR answer. Outposts should be destroyable. By the owner. Self-destruct..BOOM. "The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.04.07 12:44:00 - [93] Originally by: Joerd Toastius Conveniently ignoring the fact that you're also major shareholders? The vast majority of shares are outside the ISS. We're too poor to buy them ourselves ------------------ The ISS Navy is recruiting. See this thread for further details. www.eve-iss.com
James Lyrus	Posted - 2006.04.07 12:45:00 - [94] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Joerd Toastius Conveniently ignoring the fact that you're also major shareholders? The vast majority of shares are outside the ISS. We're too poor to buy them ourselves Oy, shouldn't you be mining Veld? Count's in need of a couple more carriers :) -- We are recruiting We sell carriers.
Chain Gang	Posted - 2006.04.07 12:47:00 - [95] You guys are funny ...... BoB didn't want Trust holding EC-P8R (Capital Ship Yards)...... so they took it ... Fact BoB want to move on and leave EC-P8R... Fact BoB are / were not going to simple give it back to them ... Fact Option ..... Only 1 ... Fact Get a third party to manage it ..... and as there is only 1 alliance in Eve who can / does run multiple outpost ... ISS It doesn't take a "brain surgeon" to work out why things happened but it looks like it takes a few idiots to write dribble in this post ... I prefer the ISS allowing me to dock in EC-P8R than getting destroyed by 600 BoB ..
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.04.07 12:49:00 - [96] Originally by: James Lyrus Oy, shouldn't you be mining Veld? Count's in need of a couple more carriers :) I fitted a Miner II on my megathron recently. I was trying to bait someone. Didn't work ------------------ The ISS Navy is recruiting. See this thread for further details. www.eve-iss.com
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2006.04.07 12:52:00 - [97] Edited by: Fi T''Zeh on 07/04/2006 12:52:36 Originally by: Maya Rkell Edited by: Maya Rkell on 07/04/2006 12:49:48 Well, there's one CLEAR answer. Outposts should be destroyable. By the owner. Self-destruct..BOOM. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=320423 i hate myself for succuming to qft disease but QTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111eleven If there had been a big red button in that baby, we would have pushed it. .... Real men use blasters
Audrea	Posted - 2006.04.07 12:53:00 - [98] Originally by: Chain Gang You guys are funny ...... BoB didn't want Trust holding EC-P8R (Capital Ship Yards)...... so they took it ... Fact BoB want to move on and leave EC-P8R... Fact BoB are / were not going to simple give it back to them ... Fact Option ..... Only 1 ... Fact Get a third party to manage it ..... and as there is only 1 alliance in Eve who can / does run multiple outpost ... ISS It doesn't take a "brain surgeon" to work out why things happened but it looks like it takes a few idiots to write dribble in this post ... I prefer the ISS allowing me to dock in EC-P8R than getting destroyed by 600 BoB .. Taking it to manage and have it free for the general public is good, its in ISS spirit, BUT: when they take it, and want to build whole business plan how to make money out of it, is NOT fine. They can fund the needed poses by moon mining, no need to excuse it as the reason to rise funds, come on ---------------------------------------------- All my posts are my own opinions and dont not represent any organization until stated otherwise.
Korah	Posted - 2006.04.07 12:53:00 - [99] BoB doesn't have the option of sticking around in EC. They have given it to their industrial friend alliance for management. ISS is now raising 20+ billion isk for something they haven't built. BoB gets a cut of the isk. ISS is not neutral.
corporal hicks	Posted - 2006.04.07 12:54:00 - [100] Lots of people whining on about ISS having the station..simple go take it off them, there ships make pretty lights in space when they pop and they have the weirdest fittings. " Stay Frosty "
Skank	Posted - 2006.04.07 12:55:00 - [101] Is ISS an alt alliance of Bob ? (just joking but this thread just reminds me something ... )
Maltrox	Posted - 2006.04.07 12:56:00 - [102] Originally by: Darko1107 Edited by: Darko1107 on 07/04/2006 11:16:11 Is this a late april fools? I dont think i could even think of a bigger mistake for a self proclaimed "neutral" alliance to make. I was going to keep you friendly to iron, that just changed. Curious as to why IRON (or what is left of it) would care at all considering they're all pulling out of Deklein. I thought the remainder of IRON didn't care for territory and POS's anymore... so why bother posting? Rather contradictory.
Chain Gang	Posted - 2006.04.07 12:56:00 - [103] So Options ....... Non Can't give it back ..... Can't destroy it ........
James Lyrus	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:00:00 - [104] Originally by: Skank Is ISS an alt alliance of Bob ? (just joking but this thread just reminds me something ... ) Sometimes I wish that were the case. The number of ships I've lost to various members of BoB is starting to get depressing. -- We are recruiting We sell carriers.
Trillian Dent	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:01:00 - [105] Originally by: Korah BoB doesn't have the option of sticking around in EC. They have given it to their industrial friend alliance for management. ISS is now raising 20+ billion isk for something they haven't built. BoB gets a cut of the isk. ISS is not neutral. yarrr - ISS is an alt alliance of BOB - I KNEW IT Sorry coulnd't resist - it's a joke - or maybe not? Now that we finished our 50 Billion marketing campaign to launch our T R U S T Brand - What's next?
James Lyrus	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:02:00 - [106] Originally by: corporal hicks Lots of people whining on about ISS having the station..simple go take it off them, there ships make pretty lights in space when they pop and they have the weirdest fittings. Bah, my quad damage control, 6 webber raven is teh uber and you know it. -- We are recruiting We sell carriers.
djNME	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:03:00 - [107] I do think it was bold move for a nuetral alliance.Only because of the events that unfolded there.Well not only that but, if I was trust I would be hiring every merc corp in game... but I would of also did that the day it happened to camp off torrinos etc. Personaly I think people are just happy to shoot at ISS due to the thoughts of tech II drops.Another twist in the plot and more things to go pop. enjoy to all parties djNME
Kraeze	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:05:00 - [108] This should get interesting. ISS, you could have said no
Raaki	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:06:00 - [109] Whaahaha BoB just royaly screwed you over, and you took the bait. Lol @ ISS. Class BoB
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:06:00 - [110] Originally by: Butter Dog The vast majority of shares are outside the ISS. We're too poor to buy them ourselves You're retaining a 10% stake in this station. That's hardly "not for profit"... Originally by: Maya Rkell Edited by: Maya Rkell on 07/04/2006 12:49:48 Well, there's one CLEAR answer. Outposts should be destroyable. By the owner. Self-destruct..BOOM. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=320423 Or better, after you've had sovereignty for say one week you can "deconstruct" the outpost, needing a fair amount of time while internal structures are cut away etc and requiring the owners to haul away significant amounts of scrap metal etc (up to say 25% of the minerals put into it or something) before the station can be successfully destroyed.
James Lyrus	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:08:00 - [111] Originally by: djNME I do think it was bold move for a nuetral alliance.Only because of the events that unfolded there.Well not only that but, if I was trust I would be hiring every merc corp in game... but I would of also did that the day it happened to camp off torrinos etc. Personaly I think people are just happy to shoot at ISS due to the thoughts of tech II drops.Another twist in the plot and more things to go pop. enjoy to all parties djNME Tech 2 drops? I'm still impressed that people think we're doing well. We're constantly fighting in frigates and cruisers, and we've been getting public funding for our outpost construction. We're not doing _too_ bad, but we're really not one of the rich alliances. -- We are recruiting We sell carriers.
DeadDuck	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:09:00 - [112] Errr sorry but thats just wrong ...
Mr Trouble	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:09:00 - [113] Originally by: Kraeze This should get interesting. ISS, you could have said no But we don't know what pressure ISS were under. God knows what BoB could have said to them if they didnt accept - perhaps ISS were scared after seeing what happened to EC... I don't think any of this will be that simple. Its a brave move for ISS, and I genuinely believe they mean well... And I can see how it would work. But don't for one second think that they didnt have a gun held to their head when they 'agreed' to do this.
Princess Alvilda	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:15:00 - [114] Bob ascn/axe .5. etc cant dock at ISS in the north. Why they give it to ISS?
Krackerjack	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:17:00 - [115] Edited by: Krackerjack on 07/04/2006 13:20:24 Originally by: Princess Alvilda Bob ascn/axe .5. etc cant dock at ISS in the north. Why they give it to ISS? I really can't work out why IRON are complaining about this - for exactly that reason. They can dock and use the outpost, their enemies can't, but here they are posturing and whining. Maybe they need to stop and think before making any more posts flaming ISS for trying to provide a compromise which, to my eyes at least, seems to work very favourably for IRON considering they thought they lost access to that outpost for good. Making threats to the ISS just makes IRON look weak and lacking in strategic direction. Take it to BoB, they are the ones who conquered the outpost, then most likely forced ISS to manage it. Its just a IRON reaction, they haven't actually sat down and thought about the situation and what the alternatives are. And how this situation actually benefits them, and having ISS manage the outpost will benefit everyone. Apart from those unable to dock there (5, ASCN, BoB).
James Lyrus	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:17:00 - [116] Originally by: Princess Alvilda Bob ascn/axe .5. etc cant dock at ISS in the north. Why they give it to ISS? Presumably because they can't blow it up, and they don't want to have to hold it. And maybe, they respect our position - we're trying to be the infrastructure that allows 'proper' economies in 0.0. Personally, I think that's only to the benefit of EVE. And maybe BoB et. al do to. After all, at a worst case it's more targets and better battles. -- We are recruiting We sell carriers.
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:19:00 - [117] "Why they give it to ISS?" Can you look at this thread and say with straight face it wasn't worth it for this alone :s
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:20:00 - [118] Or maybe some of the northern residents are trying to look at this objectively rather than simply from the point of view of their own interests? Yes, it may be great for IRON, but that doesn't preclude IRON from coming to the conclusion that it's a questionable move for ISS.
prsr	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:24:00 - [119] Edited by: prsr on 07/04/2006 13:26:12 So as a prospective investor, uhm, how is ISS going to protect this station from takeover? It seems a bit odd that ISS expects people to buy shares in a second hand outpost that is quite likely to be captured again soon. Especially with the rather high amount of moons in the system compared to the outposts they have built themselves that make it quite expensive to hold against an agressor.
Alex Tremayne	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:24:00 - [120] Originally by: Sitri Question - Why is ISS selling shares in a completed outpost? Surely the idea was to sell shares to create an outpost since its so expensive? Who is going to get most of the profits from this?!? Any guesses? Easy 10-20b for....answers on a postcard Clearly this is a major sticking point for people: Where is the money from the sale of shares going to go? I don't know what the plan is myself, I wish I did. So, Count, Serenity? I'm a member of ISS and I don't want to see us go down in flames, which is what is going to happen if you don't explain to everyone where the money is going to go. This needs to be sorted out soon, because the damage may already have been done.

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