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Noggy	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:29:00 - [31] Quote: I dont think i could even think of a bigger mistake for a self proclaimed "neutral" alliance to make. I have to agree there.. I dont get involved in Politics and do not speak in any way in the name of Razor here just my own personal opinion but this was a screamer of a mistake. In fact it should of been in that "50 worst decicions of all time" tv program that was on TV the other day.. ISS is a neutral corp.. and I understand that you are trying to compromise here but you really need to stay out of the "divide and conquer" business. You have just stood on a lot of peoples toes claiming this station. You should of just left it to them to take back on their own terms to be honest.
Audrea	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:31:00 - [32] You got something for free, to maintain it being free for all of eve, and now u also want to make money on it, closing it to those who gave it to u? Well in my personal view, ISS looses a lot of respect here. dont say **** excuses like "we need to fill the moons" etc. You got it for free, so perhaps invest something by yourself too? ---------------------------------------------- All my posts are my own opinions and dont not represent any organization until stated otherwise.
Mallik Hendrake	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:33:00 - [33] As a Borealis shareholder I think the idea of a second outpost in pureblind is friggin lame. :) -------------------------------------------- "A plan is just a list of things that don't happen." -- Parker, _The Way of the Gun_ Mallik Hendrake E X O D U S [I do not speak for E X O or IRON]
James Lyrus	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:33:00 - [34] Originally by: Amerame ISS is now taking side in wars ? F1 F2 F3 ? When you have a 'diplomatic situation' sometimes a 3rd party is needed as mediation. -- We are recruiting We sell carriers.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:33:00 - [35] Originally by: Xanta It was a privatly owned neutral station. Those who took it are hardly in a position to hold it with 600 man blobs now i wonder who has the most isk to burn to keep it trust or iss? Oh and as the two leaders of iss are a bit ;s this isn't really that shocking BoB made it perfectly clear that trust moving back in wasnt an option. So what do you do? Either let a territorial alliance claim it, blocking off a key travel route.... or do you keep it neutral? You really have to ask yourself about the other options available, and when you look at the facts... well, its a tough one to be sure, but this seems like a solution which works. At the end of the day, if G/Trust want to get the outpost back they will be able to take it. We certainly wouldnt fight them. But what happens then? BoB come along and the same thing happens again. It will be interesting to see how it goes. But we're not about to fight for it. Maintaining a public outpost (to which TRUST will no doubt have preferable access, I don't know the finer details) seems a good solution for all concerned given the other options available. And thats really the key question - what else can be done? Is there even ANY solution? Possibly not. Maybe the EC outpost is destined to change hands multiple times. All we're saying is, if you want a neutral outpost which BoB are not going to come an conquer, here is a possible solution. ------------------ The ISS Navy is recruiting. See this thread for further details. www.eve-iss.com
Xanta	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:33:00 - [36] Originally by: ISS Marthingy website 13. How will the risk of the Outpost being taken from the ISS be reduced? The outpost is supported by the neighbouring alliances, who are also the major beneficiaires of the outpost, both because they are shareholders in ISSMO and because of the infrastructure upgrade it represents to the region. In terms of security, sovereignty of the system containing the outpost will be ensured by a heavily defended group of POS. Management of the POS will be performed by ISS management corporations (ISS Logistics, ISS Navy Task Force, ISS Operations, ISS Marginis Outpost Corporation). i really doubt this is supported by the people who live there as the station was given to you by people who attack anyone around that area Originally by: ISS Marthingy website 16. Who won't be able to dock at the station? To begin with, all pilots and corporations can dock at the outpost. Pilots, corporations or alliances will be set to -ve standings and incur either penalty surcharges or denied docking privileges for the following: - Committing acts of piracy regularly in the outpost system and neighbouring systems resulting in a major disruption of trade - Committing acts of aggression towards the ISS including: - Declaring war on the ISS - Accepting or Initiating Mercinary contracts against the ISS - Setting -ve standings towards the ISS - Declaring ISS alliance pilots KOS (Kill on Sight) hahahahahahha welcome to ec ;s
sidthesexist	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:34:00 - [37] Originally by: James Lyrus Originally by: Amerame ISS is now taking side in wars ? F1 F2 F3 ? When you have a 'diplomatic situation' sometimes a 3rd party is needed as mediation. And sometimes the 3rd party has an alterior motive and dies... ________ ReViVal According to Freud, thinking the world revolves around you is a regression to childhood, when your world actually did revolve around you.-Wrangler
Diicc Tater	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:37:00 - [38] Neutral or not is in the eye ot the beholder. Think it's a cool thing. BoB can't dock and TRUST don't get it back... kinda neutral to me. They gotta start somewhere right? ... Eve is such a wonderful game. The political interface doesn't need a UI.
James Lyrus	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:40:00 - [39] Originally by: sidthesexist Originally by: James Lyrus Originally by: Amerame ISS is now taking side in wars ? F1 F2 F3 ? When you have a 'diplomatic situation' sometimes a 3rd party is needed as mediation. And sometimes the 3rd party has an alterior motive and dies... Motive? Yes. Ulterior one? No. I'm interested in stability and development in 0.0. (After all, I'm not a big fan of making round trips to empire for more ships) I think the ISS stands for that, and even with this move, still does. BoB are still shooting ISS as far as I'm aware, this strikes me as something that _could_ be acceptable to everyone concerned. ISS is not a military power, and therefore no 'threat' to the area. The best defense is to be something where attacking is less of a benefit than not doing so. I'm pretty sure that having some of the current military forces in the area occupying it would prove enough of a threat to warrant further fighting. -- We are recruiting We sell carriers.
Darko1107	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:40:00 - [40] Edited by: Darko1107 on 07/04/2006 11:41:55 Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Xanta It was a privatly owned neutral station. Those who took it are hardly in a position to hold it with 600 man blobs now i wonder who has the most isk to burn to keep it trust or iss? Oh and as the two leaders of iss are a bit ;s this isn't really that shocking BoB made it perfectly clear that trust moving back in wasnt an option. So what do you do? Either let a territorial alliance claim it, blocking off a key travel route.... or do you keep it neutral? You really have to ask yourself about the other options available, and when you look at the facts... well, its a tough one to be sure, but this seems like a solution which works. At the end of the day, if G/Trust want to get the outpost back they will be able to take it. We certainly wouldnt fight them. But what happens then? BoB come along and the same thing happens again. It will be interesting to see how it goes. But we're not about to fight for it. Maintaining a public outpost (to which TRUST will no doubt have preferable access, I don't know the finer details) seems a good solution for all concerned given the other options available. And thats really the key question - what else can be done? Is there even ANY solution? Possibly not. Maybe the EC outpost is destined to change hands multiple times. All we're saying is, if you want a neutral outpost which BoB are not going to come an conquer, here is a possible solution. This is beyond pathetic. You think you shouldnt give it back to trust because G/RZR will be scared of the big bad bob coming back to take it? You think you can stay neutral to EVE and side with half the south? You think you can stay neutral but say to trust "Thanks for the outpost, and you only get 5% shares"? Also, you think BoB will spend there time coming up and down just retaking and outpost everytime you lose it? They aint a Yoyo. BoB could come along at any time and attempt take G's space, you dont see them offering up all thier stations to ISS. Also, have you even THOUGHT of the repercussions this is going to have on the station you have sitting smack bang inbetween all the north allies? On top of that, i think your kidding yourself if you think BoB will never want to conquer it. I simply cannot understand the thought process in this decision. Was there even a thought process at all? Whoever has convinced you to do this, good job, its like youve hypnotised them
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:43:00 - [41] Originally by: Darko1107 This is beyond pathetic. You think you shouldnt give it back to trust because G/RZR will be scared of the big bad bob coming back to take it? No, I'm clearly not saying that. I said if G/TRUST want it back, we're not going to oppose that with force. We're not here to do any fighting, this is just a possible solution which won't involve another week-long siege. I'm quite sure if you guys really want that outpost as a territorial one, you'll get it. And we would respect that. You might have another fight on your hands shortly after from others... but not from us. ------------------ The ISS Navy is recruiting. See this thread for further details. www.eve-iss.com
Karunel	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:43:00 - [42] Seems like a really bad idea... It should be obvious to the ISS that if they get access almost everywhere is because they're perceived to be a neutral entity, and this kind of things chance people's perceptions on you... Oh well I guess you've thought about it more than I. I could totally see TRUST hiring mercs to take the system back tho, with it being just one jump from empire and all...
Doragee	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:44:00 - [43] What i heard of was the fact that some control towers were anchored already yesterday evening to claim sov. today. So ISS anchoring towers while the allied south forces still were in EC- and you still claim to be NEUTRAL??? o_O
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:44:00 - [44] Originally by: Darko1107 Blah blah blah You are absolutely right! ISS should be appointed managers of Deklein too, i heard that the local residents abandoned it. Pain is meant to be felt
Emno	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:45:00 - [45] Originally by: Juan Andalusian Originally by: Darko1107 Blah blah blah You are absolutely right! ISS should be appointed managers of Deklein too, i heard that the local residents abandoned it. no they still live there only 3 corps left out of the 20+ that live there ;s
Darko1107	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:45:00 - [46] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Darko1107 This is beyond pathetic. You think you shouldnt give it back to trust because G/RZR will be scared of the big bad bob coming back to take it? No, I'm clearly not saying that. I said if G/TRUST want it back, we're not going to oppose that with force. We're not here to do any fighting, this is just a possible solution which won't involve another week-long siege. I'm quite sure if you guys really want that outpost as a territorial one, you'll get it. And we would respect that. You might have another fight on your hands shortly after from others... but not from us. IF trust want it back? Why the hell wouldnt they? Its further away from a solution that its practically the opposite. Even if they decide not to take it back, you can bet you'll still be on -10, and you'll lose your pretty little outpost in pureblind especially since its about 1-2 dread jumps from xzh.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:46:00 - [47] Originally by: Karunel Oh well I guess you've thought about it more than I. I could totally see TRUST hiring mercs to take the system back tho, with it being just one jump from empire and all... They wouldnt even need to do that. But BoB have clearly stated that having the outpost in Trust hands wouldnt be acceptable to them, so what do you do? If they took it they couldnt hold it. Do you want the outpost neutral or not? If not, well anyone can march in and claim it - ISS are not here to fight. ------------------ The ISS Navy is recruiting. See this thread for further details. www.eve-iss.com
Darko1107	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:46:00 - [48] Originally by: Juan Andalusian Originally by: Darko1107 Blah blah blah You are absolutely right! ISS should be appointed managers of Deklein too, i heard that the local residents abandoned it. Funny that im pretty sure EVOL did the same however many months ago when they packed up and left branch? I think you did it cos we pwned you. Yep, thats my ignorant view on the matter.
Emno	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:53:00 - [49] Originally by: Juan Andalusian Originally by: Darko1107 Originally by: Juan Andalusian Originally by: Darko1107 Blah blah blah You are absolutely right! ISS should be appointed managers of Deklein too, i heard that the local residents abandoned it. Funny that im pretty sure EVOL did the same however many months ago when they packed up and left branch? I think you did it cos we pwned you. Yep, thats my ignorant view on the matter. You didn't have a neutral entity to give it to though :) so we still win. even worse pa ended up with it
sidthesexist	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:54:00 - [50] Id seriously advise people not to use MC to help them re-take these stations/pos's since they are in bobs pockets. Eyeshadow has been talking about MC's capital fleet simply because of this, BoB and MC go hand in hand, do not hire MC to help retake this system. Heed this warning. ________ ReViVal According to Freud, thinking the world revolves around you is a regression to childhood, when your world actually did revolve around you.-Wrangler
Redblade	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:55:00 - [51] Edited by: Redblade on 07/04/2006 11:55:27 Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui may come as a shock to you but BOB down own the god damn game do they? just because bob says something doesnt mean people do it ,they arent devs ,they arent CCP and they dont own the rights to the game. We'r not ? Im sure i have read atleast 5-10 threads that say we are so it must be true. /me goes back polishing the GM i win button
Darko1107	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:56:00 - [52] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Darko1107 IF trust want it back? Why the hell wouldnt they? Its further away from a solution that its practically the opposite. Even if they decide not to take it back, you can bet you'll still be on -10, and you'll lose your pretty little outpost in pureblind especially since its about 1-2 dread jumps from xzh. Why wouldn't they? Because BoB will seige it again, perhaps? What are the alternatives? Do you want the outpost neutral or would you rather it was claimed territorially? We run the outposts as not-for-profit ventures, actually the ISS make no money from them at all because all revenues are paid as dividends. BoB just seiged it and went home. They aint guna be back up agian in a week, back down and then back up again 2 weeks later. I want the outpost claimed by Trust, as they built it. You can deny it all you want, but this move will change ISS into a territorial alliance whether you like it or not.
Audrea	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:56:00 - [53] Edited by: Audrea on 07/04/2006 11:57:14 Originally by: Juan Andalusian Originally by: Darko1107 Originally by: Juan Andalusian Originally by: Darko1107 Blah blah blah You are absolutely right! ISS should be appointed managers of Deklein too, i heard that the local residents abandoned it. Funny that im pretty sure EVOL did the same however many months ago when they packed up and left branch? I think you did it cos we pwned you. Yep, thats my ignorant view on the matter. You didn't have a neutral entity to give it to though :) so we still win. I bet many in eve will no longer see ISS as neutral party after this.. if this is indeed true and not late April fool Why? well when FiX got FAT during SA/SE war or whatever was it, many felt it was wrong and not 'theirs' to have, same will happen here I think ---------------------------------------------- All my posts are my own opinions and dont not represent any organization until stated otherwise.
seklys	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:57:00 - [54] Rofl... thats MOST stupid thing ever... - Cassini will become an ISS station and the rules applying to Marginis and Borealis (see www.eve-iss.com for details of our rules of engagement), also apply to this one. Rofl... if u stupid enought to think EC will become heaven? There will be no docking rights for all EVE - means no profit lol :)
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:58:00 - [55] ffs guys, stop the whining. iss got an offer to hold the outpost, bob has no interests in holding the outpost themselves, they only wanted to stop trust and their capital ship programs i guess. so why not give it to iss if you are not going to use the outpost anyway? iss is still neutral, infact, they are doing most people a favour by taking the outpost under their flag, as people will still be able to dock and do their thing in ec-p8r, and that is something i would not be able to do with bob holding the outpost. "We brake for nobody"
Madboy	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:58:00 - [56] Originally by: Doragee What i heard of was the fact that some control towers were anchored already yesterday evening to claim sov. today. So ISS anchoring towers while the allied south forces still were in EC- and you still claim to be NEUTRAL??? o_O lol, if thats true you guys are seriously dodgee. Tainted goods.. and your trying to make a quick buck off of it? lol Good luck, - MadBoy
Nikita Fontaine	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:59:00 - [57] Bad move in my opinion...i dont like it, ----------------------------------------------- Great minds think alike but fools seldom differ
Ka Ten	Posted - 2006.04.07 12:00:00 - [58] Originally by: Darko1107 Edited by: Darko1107 on 07/04/2006 11:16:11 Is this a late april fools? I dont think i could even think of a bigger mistake for a self proclaimed "neutral" alliance to make. I was going to keep you friendly to iron, that just changed. the list grows bigger i see muhahahaha GL ISS your gonna need it.
Emno	Posted - 2006.04.07 12:00:00 - [59] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock ffs guys, stop the whining. iss got an offer to hold the outpost, bob has no interests in holding the outpost themselves, they only wanted to stop trust and their capital ship programs i guess. so why not give it to iss if you are not going to use the outpost anyway? iss is still neutral, infact, they are doing most people a favour by taking the outpost under their flag, as people will still be able to dock and do their thing in ec-p8r, and that is something i would not be able to do with bob holding the outpost. iss do nothing to get it 10% shares trust build it 5% shares notice anything wrong here
D'onryu Shoqui	Posted - 2006.04.07 12:00:00 - [60] Originally by: Redblade Edited by: Redblade on 07/04/2006 11:55:27 Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui may come as a shock to you but BOB down own the god damn game do they? just because bob says something doesnt mean people do it ,they arent devs ,they arent CCP and they dont own the rights to the game. We'r not ? Im sure i have read atleast 5-10 threads that say we are so it must be true. /me goes back polishing the GM i win button shhh people might think im your alt

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