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Zeonog	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:25:00 - [121] Greed knows no bounds. It looks like everyone has a price and this fish was too tasty not to bite
Professor McFly	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:25:00 - [122] Way to reduce the value of my shares. Thanks a lot __________________ Inappropriate link description. --Jorauk mods - pwning sigs since 1943
James Lyrus	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:26:00 - [123] Originally by: prsr So as a prospective investor, uhm, how is ISS going to protect this station from takeover? It seems a bit odd that ISS expects people to buy shares in a second hand outpost that is quite likely to be captured again soon. There's a reason that announcement is delayed. If investment is to be opened, it's got to be done 'right' and at a guess that'd have to involve 'residents' of the area at a diplomatic level. -- We are recruiting We sell carriers.
Krackerjack	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:26:00 - [124] Originally by: Joerd Toastius Or maybe some of the northern residents are trying to look at this objectively rather than simply from the point of view of their own interests? Yes, it may be great for IRON, but that doesn't preclude IRON from coming to the conclusion that it's a questionable move for ISS. Well I think as someone else said, they probably had a gun held to their head by BoB and are probably trying to make the best of it. I'm sure they will be speaking to trust at the moment, probably offering them ISK or compensation from the outpost out of sight of BoB who would no doubt strongly object if ISS gave TRUST the full cost of the outpost. Just stop for a minute and THINK about this. BoB obviously dicated the terms of this, with a loaded gun by their side. I would be very suprised if ISS aren't secretly talking to Trust right now, as we all w**re this very thread.
solidshot	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:27:00 - [125] Originally by: prsr So as a prospective investor, uhm, how is ISS going to protect this station from takeover? It seems a bit odd that ISS expects people to buy shares in a second hand outpost that is quite likely to be captured again soon. they'll just hire the MC the same way they always have
Mr Trouble	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:27:00 - [126] Originally by: Alex Tremayne Clearly this is a major sticking point for people: Where is the money from the sale of shares going to go? I don't know what the plan is myself, I wish I did. So, Count, Serenity? I'm a member of ISS and I don't want to see us go down in flames, which is what is going to happen if you don't explain to everyone where the money is going to go. This needs to be sorted out soon, because the damage may already have been done. Well, I reckon that money is going to go to Trust as compensation for the outpost. I'd be willing to bet a lot of ISK on it too...
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:32:00 - [127] If I had been the one trying to figure out what to do with the outpost, I would of came to the same conclusion. ISS... If they had said they didn't want it, I would have politely told them to take it. If they still refused, time to lay siege to their other outposts until they take it. Love being forcefull... I had nothing to do with any of this btw. Just how I would handle it, and prob why I'm not a BoB "diplomat". Fear the Ibis of doom.
Sitri	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:34:00 - [128] Originally by: Mr Trouble Originally by: Alex Tremayne Clearly this is a major sticking point for people: Where is the money from the sale of shares going to go? I don't know what the plan is myself, I wish I did. So, Count, Serenity? I'm a member of ISS and I don't want to see us go down in flames, which is what is going to happen if you don't explain to everyone where the money is going to go. This needs to be sorted out soon, because the damage may already have been done. Well, I reckon that money is going to go to Trust as compensation for the outpost. I'd be willing to bet a lot of ISK on it too... Yep, its already been mentioned they will get 5% Might as well kick them in the balloons while your at it
Zeonog	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:35:00 - [129] Originally by: Boonaki If I had been the one trying to figure out what to do with the outpost, I would of came to the same conclusion. ISS... If they had said they didn't want it, I would have politely told them to take it. If they still refused, time to lay siege to their other outposts until they take it. Love being forcefull... I had nothing to do with any of this btw. Just how I would handle it, and prob why I'm not a BoB "diplomat". LOL...this is funny because its true. ISS is a pawn for BoB
Mr Trouble	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:37:00 - [130] Originally by: Sitri Originally by: Mr Trouble Well, I reckon that money is going to go to Trust as compensation for the outpost. I'd be willing to bet a lot of ISK on it too... Yep, its already been mentioned they will get 5% Might as well kick them in the balloons while your at it No, no, no.... BoB would have forced ISS into this, but I reckon there will be 'behind the doors' discussion with Trust from ISS. I'd be willing to bet a lot of ISK that ISS give trust the full cost of the outpost. They may not make it public information for fear of BoB retaliation, but mark my words... it will happen.
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:40:00 - [131] Originally by: j0sephine "Why they give it to ISS?" Can you look at this thread and say with straight face it wasn't worth it for this alone :s What you like being remindend that there are hordes of EVEians that are completely toons. ( Most not ISS, BoB in this thread ) ISS isn't neutral because of this? What options are there? SOmeone needs to manage it. And this is the best solution for well everybody. It's not that difficult. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Eskiban Vlasic	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:52:00 - [132] Originally by: Mr Trouble Originally by: Kraeze This should get interesting. ISS, you could have said no But we don't know what pressure ISS were under. God knows what BoB could have said to them if they didnt accept - perhaps ISS were scared after seeing what happened to EC... I don't think any of this will be that simple. Its a brave move for ISS, and I genuinely believe they mean well... And I can see how it would work. But don't for one second think that they didnt have a gun held to their head when they 'agreed' to do this. This is probably true - Vlasic of TW Fame The Suicidal Newb F.R.E.E. Explorer
Krackerjack	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:53:00 - [133] Originally by: Asif BADKARMA Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. WTB a shed load of spike S What is it with the IRON/G/RAZOR block? An organisation friendly to them is given the outpost BoB conquered, and they whine? Perhaps they would have preffered it if they had just lost the outpost for good to BoB and never seen the inside of it again? Get. A. Clue. ISS have clearly stated they will give the outpost to TRUST if they want it. Am I the only one who doesnt understand what their problem is? ISS seem to have done them a huge favour, and all they can do is posture. Its pathetic.
Eskiban Vlasic	Posted - 2006.04.07 14:06:00 - [134] Originally by: Boonaki If I had been the one trying to figure out what to do with the outpost, I would of came to the same conclusion. ISS... If they had said they didn't want it, I would have politely told them to take it. If they still refused, time to lay siege to their other outposts until they take it. Love being forcefull... I had nothing to do with any of this btw. Just how I would handle it, and prob why I'm not a BoB "diplomat". Actually, that's probably what would have happened, and I have to say that it's the best course of action for BoB to take insofar as getting "rid" of a station. - Vlasic of TW Fame The Suicidal Newb F.R.E.E. Explorer
MrMorph	Posted - 2006.04.07 14:09:00 - [135] Hmm, so the summary of the main post is: OMFGBOBWILLKILLUSLETSDOTHEMAFAVOR. And: More isk for us. correct ? ---------------------------------------------- No sig due to the 1byte 1 pixel limit.
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2006.04.07 14:10:00 - [136] eh? O_o seriously politics are beyond me... - Gob (my nubie attempt at a forum sig, bare with me plz :p)
Flipped	Posted - 2006.04.07 14:12:00 - [137] So BOB has a problem having an Outpost in EC. If ISS becomes the problemsolver that makes them looses their neutrality status imo. I'd suggest you to turn down the proposal and keep your members neutral, someone will claim the outpost one way or the other.
O Thief	Posted - 2006.04.07 14:16:00 - [138] Originally by: Flipped So BOB has a problem having an Outpost in EC. If ISS becomes the problemsolver that makes them looses their neutrality status imo. I'd suggest you to turn down the proposal and keep your members neutral, someone will claim the outpost one way or the other. And what if that wasnt an option because BoB were holding a loaded gun to their head (which lets face it seems likely)? At least ISS are saying that Trust can walk in and claim it if they want to risk that. They seem to have done the North a favour.
Zardock	Posted - 2006.04.07 14:17:00 - [139] Originally by: Count TaSessine - The no-docking list from our other outposts will be applied with immediate effect in Cassini. This means that BoB, among others, will not have docking rights to the station due to their repeated violations of our system wide no-fire zones in the other ISS outpost systems. In other words, we have no reason not to
agent99	Posted - 2006.04.07 14:17:00 - [140] Actually, I have read through all of these posts, and noticed how extreme a lot of the viewpoints are. Basically, If I was an investor in ISS (as some of those with concerns in this thread are), I would be questioning: 1. Neutrality 2. The necessity of raising shares in something already constructed, and where the proceeds would go 3. The impact on the ISS investors in the alliances that this move may have affected. I agree, the handing over by Bob of the outpost is a great move, as they are not tied to one of the most contested systems in Eve. They accomplished their goal, and kudos for that. However, as an investor, I would be concerned with the public image this has generated. I would be concerned with raising cash on the hard work of others, and would be concerned with the affect it will have on the other investments already flying the ISS banner. Personally, I think this was a lucky score for ISS. They got an outpost one jump from empire for free. As I am not a part of the ISS, I really don't care about their neutrality, and as a non-investor their share price means nothing to me whatsoever. What I am saddenned by is the affect this is obviously having on the reputation of ISS, and the negativity foreshadowing it's future. The ISS relies primarily on reputation for success, and without a strong and unbiased reputation, it becomes a major problem. I like the idea of ISS, and if i had the cash I would have been part of it - it is a truly visionary idea in an otherwise tainted game. I would suggest you make your plans public sooner rather than later, and appease your investors. Perhaps by splitting the shares amongst all of your current investors for nothing? (just a idea) Profiteering from this move will only incite hate and violence against the ISS - something you can do without.
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2006.04.07 14:18:00 - [141] yea, bob should have given it back to trust as that is fair.. go feck yourselves guys! "We brake for nobody"
Fred0	Posted - 2006.04.07 14:19:00 - [142] Unbeliaveble ISS. After loosing two carriers in 3 minutes with those fittings perhaps, just perhaps you should go and get your head checked instead of doing this ---
Krackerjack	Posted - 2006.04.07 14:22:00 - [143] Edited by: Krackerjack on 07/04/2006 14:22:34 Originally by: Fred0 Unbeliaveble ISS. After loosing two carriers in 3 minutes with those fittings perhaps, just perhaps you should go and get your head checked instead of doing this I don't see what losing a few carriers has to do with anything. And what do you propose happens to the station in EC? BoB have said they won't tolerate TRUST moving back in, no-one else seems to want it... ISS would run it as an open station and not-for-profit like all their outposts. I see a lot of flames but no realistic suggestions which work - that outpost isnt going away, someone needs to manage it.
Flipped	Posted - 2006.04.07 14:25:00 - [144] Originally by: O Thief And what if that wasnt an option because BoB were holding a loaded gun to their head (which lets face it seems likely)? At least ISS are saying that Trust can walk in and claim it if they want to risk that. They seem to have done the North a favour. They kicked you from Delve many months back but never chased you even when they easily could have. Do you really think you re that important that they would make you primary after resetting all standings to neutral. However, assuming they would make you primary because of your refusal, you might become the rallying factor for all those in EVE with a grudge towards BOB. But I dont think it is going to roll that way as too many pilots in BOB also are some of your shareholders. So you might be the last ones to have a go a bandwagonneering the BOB
Audrea	Posted - 2006.04.07 14:29:00 - [145] Originally by: Krackerjack Edited by: Krackerjack on 07/04/2006 14:22:34 Originally by: Fred0 Unbeliaveble ISS. After loosing two carriers in 3 minutes with those fittings perhaps, just perhaps you should go and get your head checked instead of doing this I don't see what losing a few carriers has to do with anything. And what do you propose happens to the station in EC? BoB have said they won't tolerate TRUST moving back in, no-one else seems to want it... ISS would run it as an open station and not-for-profit like all their outposts. I see a lot of flames but no realistic suggestions which work - that outpost isnt going away, someone needs to manage it. Many seem to fail to realizesoemthing: Its BoB's problem that their 'friends' dont want to maintain it, as some1 above said, the fact ISS solves problem for BoB, voids their naturality in the eyes of many ppl. ---------------------------------------------- All my posts are my own opinions and dont not represent any organization until stated otherwise.
Riddari	Posted - 2006.04.07 14:29:00 - [146] Originally by: Chain Gang Get a third party to manage it ..... and as there is only 1 alliance in Eve who can / does run multiple outpost ... ISS Indeed. Its not like ASCN has 10 outposts (and the 11th now under Axiom). As for holding the EC-P8R outpost, for deep 0.0 organizations, particularly those not up north, it holds nothing they would want or need. ¼+¼ a history
Rafein	Posted - 2006.04.07 14:29:00 - [147] Ah, so first, your gonna sell shares, then if G/Iron want it, not fight for it, but give it to them. Good plan.
Uggster	Posted - 2006.04.07 14:29:00 - [148] The Day will come when the skies of EC-P8R will darken and the ghosts of all the Pod Pilots killed there will rise, and like a tide of both hope and sorrow, wash away the hurt of EC-P8R and LO ! the cearbears will rejoice for there will be crokite for them to mine safely once more.
O Thief	Posted - 2006.04.07 14:30:00 - [149] Originally by: Flipped Originally by: O Thief And what if that wasnt an option because BoB were holding a loaded gun to their head (which lets face it seems likely)? At least ISS are saying that Trust can walk in and claim it if they want to risk that. They seem to have done the North a favour. They kicked you from Delve many months back but never chased you even when they easily could have. Do you really think you re that important that they would make you primary after resetting all standings to neutral. However, assuming they would make you primary because of your refusal, you might become the rallying factor for all those in EVE with a grudge towards BOB. But I dont think it is going to roll that way as too many pilots in BOB also are some of your shareholders. So you might be the last ones to have a go a bandwagonneering the BOB Most people have a grudge against BoB but seem incapbable of doing anything about it. I don't see how ISS making themselves sacraficial lambs would have changed anything. As it stands, the North have their outpost back. ISS are saying they will let TRUST walk in and take it, if they want to. So, I'm really not seeing why the G/IRON would have a problem. They need to take the fight to BoB, then maybe they might actually achieve something.
Flipped	Posted - 2006.04.07 14:31:00 - [150] just one small thing and I'm off : DO YOU WANT TO BE THEIR FENCE?

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