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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
161
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:13:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:This thread sucks.
Goblin, even if your correct, and RVB are some massive goon puppet entity... who cares? And furthermore, the idea of it being some type of "scam" unto its own membership is just silly. TMK they dont pay to join RVB, and most of their pilots just wanna shoot something and have fun. Im not seeing where the "scam" part is.
Let me simplify why is it a scam:
what RvB offers
The truth |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
442
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:17:00 -
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Danalee wrote:Leto Thule wrote:This thread sucks.
Goblin, even if your correct, and RVB are some massive goon puppet entity... who cares? And furthermore, the idea of it being some type of "scam" unto its own membership is just silly. TMK they dont pay to join RVB, and most of their pilots just wanna shoot something and have fun. Im not seeing where the "scam" part is. If it proves true, which at the moment, given the data (and the fact nobody cares to claim otherwise, instead shooting the messenger ad nauseum) it is, than the scam is where newbies are lured into a fun wargame group under false pretenses and promptly brainwashed into goon hisec sock-puppets and thrown under the bus. Would all RVB members be in RVB if they knew they were just goon hisec cannon fodder? D. 
Honestly, I wouldnt think they would care. If I were to join an organization with the purpose of blowing up ships and having my ship blown up along with them, politics for some faraway nullsec empire would not concern me. Id still be getting the fights.
Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ |
The Groundskeeper
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
194
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:18:00 -
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Buzz buzz imma goony puppetmasta |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2557
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:19:00 -
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Danalee wrote:Ok Lucas, can you present said stats here, please? I'm talking about stats that dismis the following; Can you see the running theme here? Except for self defense wars, E-UNI and Brave Newbies war and dummy wars without actual fighting, every single war of Blue Republic was in defense of Goonswarm Federation. Red is doing the same of course, since they join wars together.If not... Is there another explenation for this than goons using RVB as hisec cannonfodder for quite some time? That's all I want to see straight. For the rest, there are indeed many things that could be seen as propaganda, assumptions and personal opinions in the blog and threads but I prefer not to dig into those too much. That area is covered quite good already  I'm not at home so I can;t log on and look at wartime stats. But I'd question how much war stats alone describes the activities of the alliance. If they roam in low or null, which we know they do, then they wouldn't declare war.
I don't suppose there are many groups in high sec that RvB would really want to declare war on specifically. Most are either small corps or alliances, not worth the time or wardec alliances that will inevitably wardec them at some point down the line. I do however know that goons and RvB have had dealings in the past, in much the same way that goons have had dealings with many other alliances. CSM members are in leadership positions in both alliances, so there's no surprise that communication and diplomacy occurs. But going from that to "they are pets" is a pretty massive leap with.
It's like if I flipped a normal coin twice and it was heads both times, I could take that limited information and claim quite rightly that the coin will always be heads when I flip it. I could then further claim that all coins of the same type would behave in the same way, thus they would always be heads. Nothing in that is fundamentally wrong, and the data supports my conclusion, but it's obviously incorrect.
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Pete Butcher
Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass
87
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:20:00 -
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Danalee wrote:^^ What? Who put these words in your mouth? Pete Butcher wrote:
The reason I came to these threads is because I detest such people, which Gevlon is a prime example of. If he was being sarcastic/ironic, fine, but he is all serious.
D.
Maybe it's because English is not my native language or something, but detest=dislike, not claiming superiority. |
Powers Sa
942
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:22:00 -
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Nobody cares, gevlon. You haven't taken any pocos yet. Quit trying to build a false narrative to cover up your ineptitude.
lol |
flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
2055
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:22:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:In before Gevlon meltdown... oh wait, 52 minutes too late.
Make that a year at least too late ...
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Samahiel Sotken
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
144
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:23:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Mr Goblin, you have been exposed as a Goon spy!
I've often heard it said, "If Gevlon Goblin didn't exist, we would have to invent him." He really is one of the better sources of humor and entertainment in high sec. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2557
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:24:00 -
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Pete Butcher wrote:Danalee wrote:^^ What? Who put these words in your mouth? Pete Butcher wrote:
The reason I came to these threads is because I detest such people, which Gevlon is a prime example of. If he was being sarcastic/ironic, fine, but he is all serious.
Maybe it's because English is not my native language or something, but detest=dislike, not claiming superiority. As an Englishman (from England and everything!), I claim rights to that language and can confirm that detesting and/or disliking someone is in no way claiming superiority. It is in fact possible to detest/dislike someone that is superior, sometimes even because they are superior.
In this case it's more likely to be because Gevlon is a moronic tit, and Pete is in all likelihood superior. But that's beside the point.
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
541
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:25:00 -
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Danalee wrote:Leto Thule wrote:This thread sucks.
Goblin, even if your correct, and RVB are some massive goon puppet entity... who cares? And furthermore, the idea of it being some type of "scam" unto its own membership is just silly. TMK they dont pay to join RVB, and most of their pilots just wanna shoot something and have fun. Im not seeing where the "scam" part is. If it proves true, which at the moment, given the data (and the fact nobody cares to claim otherwise, instead shooting the messenger ad nauseum) it is, than the scam is where newbies are lured into a fun wargame group under false pretenses and promptly brainwashed into goon hisec sock-puppets and thrown under the bus. Would all RVB members be in RVB if they knew they were just goon hisec cannon fodder? D.
must...resist...mustn't agree with Danalee...mustn't...
Quoted as fair comment & question.
F#ck.
Would you like to know more? |
Bumsicle Wedgie
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:33:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:This thread sucks.
You said it, bro.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
6573
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:34:00 -
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im so glad gevlon decided to branch out to attempting propaganda
its just so amazing
Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
729
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:36:00 -
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Any chance of the data?
Fluffy Bunny Pic! |
Domino Artan
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:36:00 -
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This thread as potential. |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
442
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:36:00 -
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The Groundskeeper wrote:Buzz buzz imma goony puppetmasta
+1 for bat country... miss fightin you guys in Heyd....
Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ |
Benny Therios
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Fatal Ascension
16
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:44:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I've come to the conclusion from this thread that Gevlon Goblin is actually a Goon spy.
The reason: Goonswarm know, and are open about the fact, that nullsec wars are won and lost by virtue of winning the morale battle.
Now Mr Goblin's posts have no effect on the morale of the CFC's enemies. But for the Goons - these tears and this apparent meltdown of a well known player are pure gold, the nectar they thrive on.
Now Mr Goblin has (intermittently at least) demonstrated intelligence in-game, despite pretending to be a fool with threads like these. He's not fooling me, I know he has a brain. As such he must be merely feigning this stupidity, knowing that - as long as he is not uncovered - he will be entertaining Goons and hence encouraging them to play more and more, helping the CFC win its wars.
Notice that Mr Goblin has declined to take steps that would actively hurt the CFC war effort, such as purchasing Pandemic Legion some replacement Titans. Instead he has inflicted an amount of damage that, whilst it would be devastating to most corporations, would barely scratch Mynnna's wallet, much less the CFC's warchest, and in doing so, he has motivated more and more Goons to log on and laugh at his feigned idiocy.
Mr Goblin, you have been exposed as a Goon spy!
Best post of 2014. I'm calling it now.
Everyone else, get out. Take the rest of the year off. We're done.
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Pew Terror
Green Associates
81
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:46:00 -
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Learn to read a publicly available killboard and tell me again that RvB doesnt deliver to be the number one entity for spaceship explosions by FAR:
zKillboard Top10 Feb2014 |
Mangala Solaris
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
906
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:48:00 -
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Why miss off the wars with blue/red as defender? Don't like those numbers? They do not make the point you wish to make with such child like massaging of numbers?
Where is the breakdown of the RvB damage done & received in the wars you use to say that RvB is a Goon affair?
Why not highlight the wars that blue didnt start with an entity directly but that entity left the target alliance (ally or directly aggressed), or is the lack of differentiation a sign of how little you (and the failed pvpers & so called "Mercs" that make up your supporters in vegemite commune. Although I suppose taking your isk makes them mercs in the loosest reading of the word.) understand about how war mechanics work?
Why claim the numbers do not exist for every pre 2013 war? When they do. I am looking at them right now in game. (The cut off for numbers was Inferno itself - so summer 2012 - when these reports landed) However the kills do show on every war going back further, so maybe learn to count.
I would love to see you go back to 2009, I am interested. Dissect everyone of our 600,000 total kills and make it all about your obsession. Will keep you from killing & eating hookers at least.
And to answer a comment from your blog:
Quote:But just for you: War: The Marmite Collective vs. Goonswarm Federation; 144; 20 is 2013/03/30 - 05/25 Definitely not POCO.
Thats RvB getting their jollies on during Burn Jita. Unlike many of the grr goons/grr nullsec/failed pvper/hubcamping retards that live in highsec, we both aided Goon - so many dumb hicks buy the grr goons line, they make for excellent targets during BJ - and shot them and all their friends who showed up. We've had a good crack during BJ. And hope for bigger & better one during 2014.
For future reference:
Remember, ally periods are 2 weeks, so please refine your numbers and present them using tables and clear formatting. No wonder hicks fall for your schtick, you bamboozle them with a near incomprehensible wall of shite.
Allys can enter a war after 4 hours. Hit those POCOs sooner my good man.
Ever need a competent FC that understands war mechanics, I am available for 5 billion per fight + an FC proteus.
Mangala Undocked |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
6574
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:55:00 -
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look based on this single war that i did not bother to research i have conclusively proven an 8000 man alliance is puppetmastered by the goonies
how dare you challenge that assertion
Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
161
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:57:00 -
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Mangala Solaris wrote:Why miss off the wars with blue/red as defender? Don't like those numbers?
Because those wars are not your decision. You are accountable for your own actions, not actions done to you.
But please, dear Goon pet, show me ONE war, where RvB choose to engage a CFC entity.
Mangala Solaris wrote:Where is the breakdown of the RvB damage done & received in the wars you use to say that RvB is a Goon affair?
The 2013 killboard is being downloaded as we chat here. So somewhere next week everyone can see what alliances you targeted. But something tells me, you already know what will I find, right?
You are scamming genuine newbies to be cannonfodder to Marmite collective to get some time for your masters. Seriously dude, The Mittani is the symbol of honor and decency next to you. |
Mangala Solaris
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
906
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:59:00 -
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You missed one trick.
Never posted this in GD, you should you know.
And oddly we dont dec nullsec entities as we usually want to fight people and null groups have little organised presence in highsec, not kill their newbies in hulks or their freighter alts like thats some sort of challenge. The few exceptions to our want to fight people line are POCO wars & our POS removal service (im sure you can spin that latter, Im interested in how fast :D).
Mangala Undocked |
Louis Robichaud
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
136
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Posted - 2014.02.20 16:00:00 -
[52] - Quote
(this is a repost with some edits)
Onward to the rebuttal. You've done a good job parsing most of those wars and boiling them down to see what they are and which one are "interesting". Unfortunately, that is where you stumbled. As I said previously, I'm not just going to say you are wrong, I'm going to demonstrate why.
War: D A R K Homeworld vs. Goonswarm Federation; 9.9; 4
War: TinkerTown Terrorists vs. Goonswarm Federation;2.5;2.8
War: D A R K Homeworld vs. Goonswarm Federation;9.8;3.4
These are all POCO wars, and thus are in the Nov-Dec period. RvB has a mutual poco defense pact, one that has benefited us.
War: The Marmite Collective vs. Blohm and Voss Shipyards Alliance; 13.1; 2
A bit of research would have told you what Blohm and Voss was. It's not me to tell whom these folks are, but your conclusion is wrong. Of course you are correct that Blohm and Voss is in nullsec with the Goons' permission, but you completely misunderstood why RvB joined that war.
War: The Marmite Collective vs. Goonswarm Federation; 144; 20
This is the one I really would like to see the date. Edit: thanks Mang! Now I know what this is, we took part in burn Jita, big deal.
So what do we have here? All very recent action, all of it either POCO war (due to our mutual POCO defence pact) or wars of a defensive nature. This isn't "always"!.
Yet, based on these recent conflicts, you have determined that RvB, an organization that started in 2009, *was created as a goon high sec arm*!?!?
The goons HAVE a high sec arm - it's called Miniluv. Another less known arm is - gasp - the new order, a group you supported a while ago did you not?
These dark conspiracies are built on flim flam. You reach logical conclusions based on flawed premises - ergo not sound at all |
Mangala Solaris
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
906
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Posted - 2014.02.20 16:03:00 -
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And please look back over all 4 years. I can give you data dumps of our own api fed killboards for the small sum of 10 billion isk per year.
Mangala Undocked |
Louis Robichaud
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
136
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Posted - 2014.02.20 16:05:00 -
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I would also like to add that I rejoined Eve after a 3 year break specifically to join RvB. It has far exceeded my expectations. You are doing Eve a disservice with these silly allegations. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
3752
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Posted - 2014.02.20 16:05:00 -
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Gevlon alt spotted asking GD where to find an essential tool for victory:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=323549
See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2980
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Posted - 2014.02.20 16:08:00 -
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So I need two things explained here.
- How do five cherrypicked wars in the past three months explain how a group that's existed in modern form since 2009 is really a Goonswarm front, and
- Why, if the actions of marmite, lemmings, and other highsec wardec corps against our random idiots wandering highsec are as damaging as Gevlon (and indeed the killers themselves) like to claim they are, we haven't protected ourselves for the past three years by having RvB permadec them.
I posted this to Gevlon's blog but he didn't let it through, clearly proving that it blows a big hole in his premise. Too bad he was so proud of himself that he came to blow his own horn in a place where he doesn't control the comments.
Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP
The Marmite Collective
521
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Posted - 2014.02.20 16:09:00 -
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Mangala Solaris wrote:Angry rant with some useful info hidden in it.
Wow... And here I was voting and vouching for you for CSM... So I'm a ****** by your standards now and you guys like all forms of pvp except with the vegemite ( ) retards... noted.
Louis Robichaud, Thanks for the rebuttal, it looks to be in order. My inquiry has been answered.
Now unless new old data proves the trend, I think we can close this thought process.
D. Out 
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
161
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Posted - 2014.02.20 16:11:00 -
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Louis Robichaud wrote:
These are all POCO wars, and thus are in the Nov-Dec period. RvB has a mutual poco defense pact, one that has benefited us.
So your answer to "you are Goon pets" is "we are Goon allies"? Great.
Louis Robichaud wrote:
I would also like to add that I rejoined Eve after a 3 year break specifically to join RvB. It has far exceeded my expectations. You are doing Eve a disservice with these silly allegations.
Because It does a great service to EVE to recruit newbies who can barely figure out their overview and a few frigates is all their assets and marching them against the best highsec PvP alliance in the game. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
6577
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Posted - 2014.02.20 16:11:00 -
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i enjoy trolling gevlon in his blog comments, knowing he won't publish them but knowing they enrage him
but i enjoy people doing it here more where he can't get that tiny feeling of power by censoring it
thanks for reposting this here gevlon it's sure to go as well as the last thread
Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division:
"We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half." |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2559
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Posted - 2014.02.20 16:15:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:and marching them against the best highsec PvP alliance in the game. Who is this "best highsec PvP alliance" you speak of?
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