Gevlon,

IGÇÖll make this public, since youGÇÖve decided to make nothing private.

I'm not one for forums so you probably won't see me post a response again, because I actually have a community to manage in game. Apparently you run some blog site too but i'm yet to waste my time on that.

You seem to state a lot of things that RvB leadership are planning, yet you've never asked me, or the other RvB CEO a single thing. IGÇÖm probably one of the most chilled easy-going guys you will meet in EvE, so donGÇÖt be afraid to simply talk to me rather than spouting haphazard rumours that make you look silly.

I must take my hat off and thank you for creating so much extra content for RvBers. Purple fleets help to solicit the community bond between both teams and they are a hell of a lot of fun (Stick a spy alt in them and enjoy our coms).

RvB obviously thoroughly enjoys PvP combat, and we take all the targets we can get. If you were not such an imbecile at the start, you could have come to us and said "hey would you like to help us shoot *Insert Any Alliance Here* for a week?" and we might have listened if it gave us good fights. We don't really care who we shoot, because we have no null-sec sovereignty to defend or tangible treaties to break. But now after your terrible management of what should have been a diplomatic war, you are left with fewer options and more opposition.

I don't really mind Marmites anymore, we have some fun tussles and they provide our pilots with lots of third party war-target content when some of our pilots want to fly together as purple and bring out the fun ships.
We lose some ships to them; they lose some ships to us. Very surprisingly, RvBers have grown to enjoy Marmite combat because we get to use fun ships that we wouldnGÇÖt normally like to explode 10 times a day in normal RvB combat. I'm sure Marmites enjoy the combat just as much, given that we have some silly new members who donGÇÖt know how to use instant-undocks (You are welcome Tora). IGÇÖve learned that they are great at camping stations and trade routes; itGÇÖs not my idea of fun but good on them for doing what they do best. They also have some of the most entertaining forum trolls that IGÇÖve witnessed.

As for a 'deal' with Goonswarm, it's nothing but a mutual agreement and never will be anything more. You know, the kinds of things that two sensible and intelligent organisations perform. After our POCOs were acquired, the conversation went basically like this "If you want to help defend our POCOs, we will help defend yours. There's no obligation to come and we know there are times that you wonGÇÖt want to if you have other stuff to do".
Goons know full well that RvB likes to remain as neutral as we can. But this mutual agreement makes too much sense for both RvB and Goonswarm. It originally started during the POCO implementation into EvE. Both Goons and RvB wanted as many POCOs in The Forge region as we could each get, it would be silly to spend half the acquisition time fighting each other, so we said we will try and aim for different systemsGǪ and we did just that. The whole conversation was over before you could drink a glass of Quafe.

I was hesitating whether or not it was necessary to help Goonswarm in the last POCO assistance. I was actually leaning against it, to try and find some new third party war-targetsGǪ but the response from our members suggested that they really enjoyed the last POCO defence fleets and roams, so as long as RvB members are having fun I donGÇÖt mind RvB entering the war again if Goonswarm needs assistance (they really donGÇÖt even need our help). If RvB members did not enjoy it, we would not do it; some of the members who lost expensive pods were the most vocal advocates for continuing the war. We laugh at them for losing expensive pods and they laugh too (Just probably not as much).

The killboard statistics which you seem to post. We simply donGÇÖt care. Posting an RvB war report is like posting a BNI war report. You seem to be the only person in New Eden who does not know that RvB is not playing a risk-averse PvP game here. The only time we post a killboard report is if we win against people who are trying to play an ISK efficiency game, because that stuff both amuses and surprises us.

I've come to the conclusion that you have kept this entire charade going purely because you like the attention... Honestly, thatGÇÖs my current thoughts. Otherwise, I can not see the benefits from your standpoint.

By trying to crush this 'evil Goon regime' you've gone ahead and proven that goons are not bad guys at all, and at the same time... proven what a rude ignorant person you can be.

The way I see this;
Marmites win. They get their same wars AND get paid.
RvB wins. They get more things to shoot, for free.
Goons win. They keep their POCOs.
Gevlon, you might even win at this, because you get the attention you seem to crave.
It's your new alliance members which I feel sorry for. They appear to be fighting your personal vendetta against GoonswarmGǪ Which has now suddenly shifted to RvB for some nonsensical reason. I could say more on this but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. I will make the precarious assumption that outside of this pointless propaganda posting that you are a sensible and reasonable person.


All I can further say is that you have a lot to learn when it comes to the area of PR and running a community appropriately. If you would like to respond to me Gevlon, IGÇÖm happy to listen to your private chat in-game or on Skype.
Otherwise your future public posts and questions directed at RvB command will sadly be falling on deaf ears.


Thank you again for all the PvP content,
FallenTitan
Blue Republic CEO

^^ How is that a meltdown?

Gevlon I am trying to comprehend the "stupid" in your last couple posts, you know if you are clearly better at managing a corporation and concerned about ISK efficiency and KB, why aren't you control of some of the largest high or low-sec entities why have all your previous endeavors not turned out so sweet?

Why do we need another thread of the same topic?

I've come to the conclusion from this thread that Gevlon Goblin is actually a Goon spy.

The reason: Goonswarm know, and are open about the fact, that nullsec wars are won and lost by virtue of winning the morale battle.

Now Mr Goblin's posts have no effect on the morale of the CFC's enemies. But for the Goons - these tears and this apparent meltdown of a well known player are pure gold, the nectar they thrive on.

Now Mr Goblin has (intermittently at least) demonstrated intelligence in-game, despite pretending to be a fool with threads like these. He's not fooling me, I know he has a brain. As such he must be merely feigning this stupidity, knowing that - as long as he is not uncovered - he will be entertaining Goons and hence encouraging them to play more and more, helping the CFC win its wars.

Notice that Mr Goblin has declined to take steps that would actively hurt the CFC war effort, such as purchasing Pandemic Legion some replacement Titans. Instead he has inflicted an amount of damage that, whilst it would be devastating to most corporations, would barely scratch Mynnna's wallet, much less the CFC's warchest, and in doing so, he has motivated more and more Goons to log on and laugh at his feigned idiocy.


Mr Goblin, you have been exposed as a Goon spy!

words

EVE University to be the scourge of EVE online.

This is excellent. While sitting in the hell camp Lyris explained just what the "Dunning Kruger" effect is. And here I get to see it applied.

Thanks.

Pure goblin.

[quote Butcher]
Pure goblin.

I never seriously claim superiority, nor classify people into ladder placing myself on top, so you pretty much missed the mark. The reason I came to these threads is because I detest such people, which Gevlon is a prime example of. If he was being sarcastic/ironic, fine, but he is all serious. .

This thread sucks.

Goblin, even if your correct, and RVB are some massive goon puppet entity... who cares? And furthermore, the idea of it being some type of "scam" unto its own membership is just silly. TMK they dont pay to join RVB, and most of their pilots just wanna shoot something and have fun. Im not seeing where the "scam" part is.

If it proves true, which at the moment, given the data (and the fact nobody cares to claim otherwise, instead shooting the messenger ad nauseum) it is, than the scam is where newbies are lured into a fun wargame group under false pretenses and promptly brainwashed into goon hisec sock-puppets and thrown under the bus.

Would all RVB members be in RVB if they knew they were just goon hisec cannon fodder?

Ok, so you say you never seriously claim superiority, nor classify people into a ladder placing yourself on top, followed by claiming you are superior to mister Goblin because you know he is not ironic anywhere...
Meanwhile ignoring the facts presented, prefering to keep shooting the messenger from your selfmade position of superiority (you detest people like him).

Got it.

D.

The reason I came to these threads is because I detest such people, which Gevlon is a prime example of. If he was being sarcastic/ironic, fine, but he is all serious.

This thread sucks.

Goblin, even if your correct, and RVB are some massive goon puppet entity... who cares? And furthermore, the idea of it being some type of "scam" unto its own membership is just silly. TMK they dont pay to join RVB, and most of their pilots just wanna shoot something and have fun. Im not seeing where the "scam" part is.

If it proves true, which at the moment, given the data (and the fact nobody cares to claim otherwise, instead shooting the messenger ad nauseum) it is, than the scam is where newbies are lured into a fun wargame group under false pretenses and promptly brainwashed into goon hisec sock-puppets and thrown under the bus.

Would all RVB members be in RVB if they knew they were just goon hisec cannon fodder?

D.

Ok Lucas, can you present said stats here, please?
I'm talking about stats that dismis the following;

Can you see the running theme here? Except for self defense wars, E-UNI and Brave Newbies war and dummy wars without actual fighting, every single war of Blue Republic was in defense of Goonswarm Federation. Red is doing the same of course, since they join wars together.

If not... Is there another explenation for this than goons using RVB as hisec cannonfodder for quite some time?
That's all I want to see straight.

For the rest, there are indeed many things that could be seen as propaganda, assumptions and personal opinions in the blog and threads but I prefer not to dig into those too much. That area is covered quite good already

^^ What?

Who put these words in your mouth?


D.

In before Gevlon meltdown... oh wait, 52 minutes too late.

Mr Goblin, you have been exposed as a Goon spy!

Maybe it's because English is not my native language or something, but detest=dislike, not claiming superiority.

If it proves true, which at the moment, given the data (and the fact nobody cares to claim otherwise, instead shooting the messenger ad nauseum) it is, than the scam is where newbies are lured into a fun wargame group under false pretenses and promptly brainwashed into goon hisec sock-puppets and thrown under the bus.

Would all RVB members be in RVB if they knew they were just goon hisec cannon fodder?

D.

This thread sucks.

Buzz buzz imma goony puppetmasta

I've come to the conclusion from this thread that Gevlon Goblin is actually a Goon spy.

The reason: Goonswarm know, and are open about the fact, that nullsec wars are won and lost by virtue of winning the morale battle.

Now Mr Goblin's posts have no effect on the morale of the CFC's enemies. But for the Goons - these tears and this apparent meltdown of a well known player are pure gold, the nectar they thrive on.

Now Mr Goblin has (intermittently at least) demonstrated intelligence in-game, despite pretending to be a fool with threads like these. He's not fooling me, I know he has a brain. As such he must be merely feigning this stupidity, knowing that - as long as he is not uncovered - he will be entertaining Goons and hence encouraging them to play more and more, helping the CFC win its wars.

Notice that Mr Goblin has declined to take steps that would actively hurt the CFC war effort, such as purchasing Pandemic Legion some replacement Titans. Instead he has inflicted an amount of damage that, whilst it would be devastating to most corporations, would barely scratch Mynnna's wallet, much less the CFC's warchest, and in doing so, he has motivated more and more Goons to log on and laugh at his feigned idiocy.


Mr Goblin, you have been exposed as a Goon spy!

But just for you: War: The Marmite Collective vs. Goonswarm Federation; 144; 20 is 2013/03/30 - 05/25 Definitely not POCO.

Why miss off the wars with blue/red as defender? Don't like those numbers?

Where is the breakdown of the RvB damage done & received in the wars you use to say that RvB is a Goon affair?

Angry rant with some useful info hidden in it.

These are all POCO wars, and thus are in the Nov-Dec period. RvB has a mutual poco defense pact, one that has benefited us.

I would also like to add that I rejoined Eve after a 3 year break specifically to join RvB. It has far exceeded my expectations. You are doing Eve a disservice with these silly allegations.

and marching them against the best highsec PvP alliance in the game.

It's not 5, it's 8.
It's not in 3 months but in all 2013 and 14.
It's not cherry-picked, every single war were processed. The E-UNI and BNI wars were explicitly mentioned. Just like the 74 dummy wars with barely any kills.

Who is this "best highsec PvP alliance" you speak of?

. You can see all the relevant data here: http://purple.rvbeve.com/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=35

I understand why he'd ignore 0.0 kills to focus on highsec wars though, never let the facts get in the way of a good story!

....
marching them against the best highsec PvP alliance in the game.

"No valid alliance id specified."

1: I didn't "ignore", I just have no data, yet

2: the directors can't control who goes nullsec and does what. But you can control who are war targets. I never claimed that the whole RvB is a bunch of Goon spies. The opposite. They are honest new players and casuals who joined for organized and cheap PvP and instead used as decoy and cannon fodder for Goons against Marmite.

Was a fan, for entertainments sake...but now he lost me... -1....

(Marmite) is the best highsec pvp alliance by which measure exactly?

If its coarse-grained statistics like total raw kills you are using (akin to clubbing re!arded children over the head as they stumble out of trade hubs), I would respectfully question your assertion of 'best'.

In short, once you inject any form of qualitative measure into such an assertion I would not highlight marmite as 'the best' hisec pvp alliance. Not as bold as to say we are, but there sure as f#ck are several hisec pvp alliances that consistently win wars against marmite. You might get away with saying they are the biggest, but hell-to-the-no on best.

Its important such assertions are corrected, there may be children watching...

F

Why miss off the wars with blue/red as defender? Don't like those numbers? They do not make the point you wish to make with such child like massaging of numbers?


Where is the breakdown of the RvB damage done & received in the wars you use to say that RvB is a Goon affair?


Why not highlight the wars that blue didnt start with an entity directly but that entity left the target alliance (ally or directly aggressed), or is the lack of differentiation a sign of how little you (and the failed pvpers & so called "Mercs" that make up your supporters in vegemite commune. Although I suppose taking your isk makes them mercs in the loosest reading of the word.) understand about how war mechanics work?


Why claim the numbers do not exist for every pre 2013 war? When they do. I am looking at them right now in game. (The cut off for numbers was Inferno itself - so summer 2012 - when these reports landed) However the kills do show on every war going back further, so maybe learn to count.
I would love to see you go back to 2009, I am interested. Dissect everyone of our 600,000 total kills and make it all about your obsession. Will keep you from killing & eating hookers at least.


And to answer a comment from your blog:



Thats RvB getting their jollies on during Burn Jita. Unlike many of the grr goons/grr nullsec/failed pvper/hubcamping retards that live in highsec, we both aided Goon - so many dumb hicks buy the grr goons line, they make for excellent targets during BJ - and shot them and all their friends who showed up. We've had a good crack during BJ. And hope for bigger & better one during 2014.


For future reference:
Remember, ally periods are 2 weeks, so please refine your numbers and present them using tables and clear formatting. No wonder hicks fall for your schtick, you bamboozle them with a near incomprehensible wall of shite.
Allys can enter a war after 4 hours. Hit those POCOs sooner my good man.
Ever need a competent FC that understands war mechanics, I am available for 5 billion per fight + an FC proteus.

every single war were processed..

Sorry I can't read anything you post about after reading you talking about editing your kill board to make purples losses not look as bad. It does show why you guys always link your board instead of a neutral one.

So your answer to "you are Goon pets" is "we are Goon allies"? Great.


Because It does a great service to EVE to recruit newbies who can barely figure out their overview and a few frigates is all their assets and marching them against the best highsec PvP alliance in the game.

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No it isnt. You limited it aggressive wars by your own admission. make up the part of the mind you are using today?

And it's was. Not were. One would hope your education at least covered correct English?

And Danalee, I still love you guys (Would I have asked you guys to let me write about you last week if I didnt?), you just get tarred with the rather large annoyed at stupid brush I use when dealing with stupid.

Still did not read it but hey you should go change some prices on purples kill board so you guys look better. Last time you did not do a good enough job.

Still did not read it but hey you should go change some prices on purples kill board so you guys look better. Last time you did not do a good enough job.

Still did not read it but hey you should go change some prices on purples kill board so you guys look better. Last time you did not do a good enough job.

We teach newbies how to pvp *and* how not to be afraid of losing ships, IE not to be carebears that never fight.

Marmite is *really good * at what they do... But calling them best PvP alliance is ludicrous.

ERM... Our killboards match your own... Unless your 60% efficiency against us since 2012 is you fixing your own killboards to make us look good :D

2: the directors can't control who goes nullsec and does what. But you can control who are war targets. I never claimed that the whole RvB is a bunch of Goon spies. The opposite. They are honest new players and casuals who joined for organized and cheap PvP and instead used as decoy and cannon fodder for Goons against Marmite.

Mangala Solaris : (26 January 2014 - 07:15 PM) Im repricing on our kbs so may fix it may not be honestly idgaf


Kinna funny to do this right after everyone was bitching and moaning about the 3b pod and other losses.

Mangala Solaris : (26 January 2014 - 07:15 PM) Im repricing on our kbs so may fix it may not be honestly idgaf


Kinna funny to do this right after everyone was bitching and moaning about the 3b pod and other losses.

Another post

Mangala Solaris : (26 January 2014 - 07:15 PM) Im repricing on our kbs so may fix it may not be honestly idgaf


Kinna funny to do this right after everyone was bitching and moaning about the 3b pod and other losses.

Mangala Solaris : (26 January 2014 - 07:15 PM) Im repricing on our kbs so may fix it may not be honestly idgaf

26th January? I was on my way back from the Winter Summit in Iceland at that stage. Stuck on a rail replacement bus till gone 8pm.

@ Lucas Kell who is evil? I think you are a bit lost. I never said RvB is evil. Shoot I still have a bunch of people I talk to in RvB. Come back when you have your facts straight.

Well this thread does. As apparently RvB are just goons in disguise, and goons are evil, thus RvB must be evil. You really aren't reading any posts are you? Not even the OP.

So you mean everyone posting here must agree so then you agree also. I guess you are not reading what you are saying.

Let me simplify why is it a scam:
what RvB offers
The truth

You're making him win!

Im just hoping the ISD will come along and lock these. They arent even entertaining anymore!

No, but Gevlon is your leader. So you are surely supposed to follow his lead, right?

Man I wish they would stop letting kids post on the forums who know nothing.

He is my leader? That is news to my whole alliance. Maybe you should get your facts right. You should do some reading and get caught up to speed. If everyone who paid for a war was our leader we would have tons of leaders. I even paid for wars guess I took over the alliance.

Man I wish they would stop letting kids post on the forums who know nothing.

He is my leader? That is news to my whole alliance. Maybe you should get your facts right. You should do some reading and get caught up to speed. If everyone who paid for a war was our leader we would have tons of leaders. I even paid for wars guess I took over the alliance.

Man I wish they would stop letting kids post on the forums who know nothing.

He is my leader? That is news to my whole alliance. Maybe you should get your facts right. You should do some reading and get caught up to speed. If everyone who paid for a war was our leader we would have tons of leaders. I even paid for wars guess I took over the alliance.

Man I wish they would stop letting kids post on the forums who know nothing.

[quote=Mangala Solaris]

Louis Robichaud, Thanks for the rebuttal, it looks to be in order. My inquiry has been answered.
Now unless new old data proves the trend, I think we can close this thought process.

D. Out

Oh yeah, didn't you hear? Without Gevlon there, you guys are nothing. You couldn't afford your wars, so he enables your existence. You members all seem to be on board, even your corp CEO is backing what Gevlon is saying so it must be the truth. Since you are cooperating and he is supplying the isk that enables your kills, they are all his. You are his pets. Thank god he came along to save you guys.

Where is your proof of this? I do not see any I just see some random guy making stuff up like mad in an attempt to look smart. Go look some stuff up then attempt to talk with the adults.

We can argue about Marmites all day, though I prefer to let this run for a few months and get data.

But Lemmings exists for one and only reason: because I pay Marmite for its existence. Lemmings were found on that threadnought where I found Marmite members. Lemmings would cease to exist if I'd stop paying.

So yes, I can take ALL the credit.

What about the pilots who do the shooting? Without Lemmings they'd shoot random targets. They probably have similar magnitude of kills, probably in lowsec. But these kills would be totally random.

I am solely responsible for turning these players against CFC and focusing their damage on CFC.

So when we brought a 10 man BS death fleet to your guys home system and it took almost an hour for you guys to muster 40+ and the FC kept saying on coms he will not fight till you guys had 40+ with 20+ BS's and logi that teaches people how to not be afraid?

How does a FC who is afraid to lose a fight cry's on coms for overwhelming numbers teach people to not be afraid?

Mr Goblin, you have been exposed as a Goon spy!

Oh hey, I missed this post skimming through.

Could you estimate the DPS required to break the reps of your cloud of neutral logi?

I'm thinking 40 BSes might take down one, perhaps get another in low armour, before you dock.

If you play docking games with neut logi, expect this every time. Your bed, you made it.

"Lemmings" "Lemmings" "We can argue about Marmites all day, though I prefer to let this run for a few months and get data." "Lemmings" "Lemmings"

See I am Marmite. We have been around long before Lemmings. But nice try at stretching the facts.

But Lemmings exists for one and only reason: because I pay Marmite for its existence.

Where is your proof of this? I do not see any I just see some random guy making stuff up like mad in an attempt to look smart. Go look some stuff up then attempt to talk with the adults.

Maybe to you there's a difference somewhere, but not to the rest of us. Especially when:



He's your god now. Deal with it.

"Lemmings" "Lemmings" "We can argue about Marmites all day, though I prefer to let this run for a few months and get data." "Lemmings" "Lemmings"

See I am Marmite. We have been around long before Lemmings. But nice try at stretching the facts.

Marmite does NOT use to keep these alliances wardecced, because every single wardec costs 2.2B/month. Keeping all of them decced would cost 30B/month (RvB war is free if you shoot GSF POCOs). Marmite simply doesn't have this money.

When they have some, they wardec some nullsec alliances. When they run out of ISK, they let the wars lapse.

I can make these wars run forever.

Read Gevlon's blog. He quite clearly stated that you guys were too poor to afford the wardecs, so he pays for them for you. Funnily enough, there's as much if not more evidence for what I am saying on Gevlon's blog as he has presented for these ridiculous RvB accusations.

And adults? Coming from the guy who's "NOT READING YOUR POSTS LALALALALALA"

Seriously guy.

We had 0 neutral logi and you may want to learn more about the game. You can not dock while sitting at a gate. So to answer the DPS question 0 DPS was needed to counter the 0 neutral logi. Might want to re-think your logic.

Could you imagine an alliance recruiting thousands of people, just to use them for wars they didn't mean, for a master they don't even like? A pet alliance without SRP, without good killboard, without ratting space? That would be some serious scam.



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This was in fact posted on the Marmite january breakdown however. Not the lemmings one:

Oh and:

You are poverty stricken peasants. Gevlon is your benefactor. Without him you have to go back to scraping by on the few wardecs you can afford. There's like hundreds of these. Go for a peruse.

Not sure if your comment is meant to make you look like an idiot or make you look funny. Either one works fine I guess.

Ahhahahahah

Aren't you precious. You have metric ****-tons of neutral logi, whether you're showing them on the field or not.

Literally no-one is dumb enough to think you would undock without it.

You know, I've been trying to figure out what Mr. Goblin's actual game is for awhile. While he does seem like the sort of person that can't comprehend spending isk to have fun, and instead focuses on it as some sort of high score, this latest set of endeavors seem particularly ill-conceived and futile. Sabriz's explanation seems almost plausible. Mr. Goblin. If you really want to hurt the goons, don't focus on killing them in high sec. Focus on breaking up CFC through betrayal's of trust and the breakdown of non-aggression pacts. I believe you are intelligent enough to spin the external propaganda necessary to break bonds while running heists.

Pretending that goonswarm will fall just because a few of its members can't go shopping, or it loses some POCO's that were only added to the game last November just makes you look stupid. Baseless accusations against RVB are even worse.

Shhh no one can know that each member is required to have no less then 27 neut logis anytime you undock. If people knew that we would be the biggest alliance in eve or damn close.

You know we also don't leave jita or eve the undock ring. In fact http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WJi59XdfQE is not even us in null sec killing noob WT's CCP ****** up and moved Jita to null for 30min so we could go to null. They also gave us super powers so our logi could cloak from local chat. The docking ring also extended to the gate but only for us.

I can not believe I am respond to a goon and a not so bright one at that who believes everything he hears. FYI man Superman is not real but Danalee is hung like an elephant.

Dear fellow RvB-ers. We have lot of fun in both Red versus Blue and purple wars.

But we unfortunately live in a *metagame* universe, where shooting the wrong Falcon can literally break coalitions. In a universe where spies, space-politicians, propagandist do their "serious" stuff, instead of just undocking and having fun.

We cannot allow even the appearance of being political, because we cannot allow a newbie think that if he joins us, he'll be banned from half of Nullsec by declared to be the spy of the other half. No matter how accurately we try to balance our actions, by luck or by others doing *metagame* we can end up fighting a war for someone else.

So, from now on, we will not initiate wars. We just fight Red versus Blue and of course we fight anyone who attacks us. We will also organize mutual wars with willing entities. While it takes some of the fun, it saves more.

The obvious problem here isn't goonswarm, its who and how you define your enemies. If you hate people who work out every major detail and find those loopholes in the system to better themselves then you'll probably hate goons.
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It's not all Goons he hates just two of them. He hates Mynnna because he's richer than him with way less effort and he hates powers because the can't take his pocos.

Mangala dear, instead of desperate damage control, let me help you how can you disprove me forever and even get a public apology:

Bkm shut up, this is all the proof we needed to prove danlee is a man, and secretly your bedding with him, get back on topic.

The obvious problem here isn't goonswarm, its who and how you define your enemies. If you hate people who work out every major detail and find those loopholes in the system to better themselves then you'll probably hate goons.

Or if you hate people who self gloat, believing they are the best but dock run and or log when a fight presents itself, well then you might hate marmite.

Either way its just haters hating and an idiot with a blog being the puppet-master of C&P through his hate spouting bullshit, and your all pawns.

Again you lack facts. If 80- a few hundred wars is a few then sure. But I am sure you do not consider that a small number. I can not bother reading anything else you post. Maybe next thread learn to look stuff up and you will know a lot more about what you say instead of just making stuff up or making assumptions.

Mangala dear, instead of desperate damage control, let me help you how can you disprove me forever and even get a public apology:

Gevlon might actually be more afflicted with self delusion that Dinsdale.

I think we should organize a bout, see who is King of Conspiracies.

Man oh man, I always deny desperate attempts to woo me but this one makes me allmost regret that...
Reading your sperg in a steve urkel (May he rest in peace) voice does make it less akward.

D.

Also the 15 neuts + panic log-ins was personally witnessed.

I can use facts and numbers and twist them into propagana too, its easy. Watch:

In this most recent war we have done 13.81B worth of damage to marmite and they have done 15.55 B worth of damage to us. Marmite has roughly 300 members so we have done 46m isk worth of damage to each marmite member. Meanwhile there's roughly 7K RvB members so marmite has done 2.2m damage to each RvB member. We're winning by a HUGE margin!

Similarly we have done 20.36B isk worth of damage to lemmings, which is about 67m isk per member and they have done 25.4B damage to us, which is 3.6m isk per member.

My numbers are just as true as Gevlon's and make just as much sense (that is to say, very little)

Hmm... Looks like a certain stunningly beautiful/smart EVE player will be asking for a raise soon.

D.

he views himself as a randian superman and views the world and the game through that autistic viewpoint.

that's why he's so angry at anyone standing between him and being space important and absolutely loses it when he's mocked for being irrelevant, it punctures that randian superman self-image and without that, well, he's just a crazy nut

Mangala dear, instead of desperate damage control, let me help you how can you disprove me forever and even get a public apology:

It was 8 neut reppers and was in the dark days before we kicked Vegas and Saeger for being generally unpleasant to be with.
Since they were removed, things have gotten much better

Professor Clio definitely has a huge....head. His skull is the size of a watermelon!

I'm not sure why I am trying. Gevlon 's facts are wrong, I point it out repeatedly, and nothing changes.

Professor Clio definitely has a huge....head. His skull is the size of a watermelon!

I'm not sure why I am trying. Gevlon 's facts are wrong, I point it out repeatedly, and nothing changes.

I can use facts and numbers and twist them into propagana too, its easy. Watch:

In this most recent war we have done 13.81B worth of damage to marmite and they have done 15.55 B worth of damage to us. Marmite has roughly 300 members so we have done 46m isk worth of damage to each marmite member. Meanwhile there's roughly 7K RvB members so marmite has done 2.2m damage to each RvB member. We're winning by a HUGE margin!

Similarly we have done 20.36B isk worth of damage to lemmings, which is about 67m isk per member and they have done 25.4B damage to us, which is 3.6m isk per member.

My numbers are just as true as Gevlon's and make just as much sense (that is to say, very little)

Don't mention my giant head, you know I'm sensitive about it.

Also randian philosophy dictates he be incredibly jealous of anyone wealthier than him as it means they're his moral superior or something, which is why I seem to appear so prominently in his ramblings.


Still not hearing your explanation for the whole "why didn't we use them to protect us for five years" thing. As you're running away in terror from that gaping hole in your argument, it's clear you're acknowledging how full of **** you are.

Hey I just wanted to say your name(Clio) reminds me of the Sony CLIE that I used to have an that my post is backed my more fact than anything else Gevlon has put forth

It actually comes from the greek muse of history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clio

It actually comes from the greek muse of history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clio

i have four graphs and seven paragraphs of insane ramblings that proves it definitely does not

No pie charts? Good lord what do I have to do to get a freakin' pie chart! All these stupid numbers and words thrown around and no pie. I want pie or I'm turning off the SRP and I'll blow the 50,000 frigates to the moon by myself! Gimme pie!

Nevermind, Powers please go wake up Mittani, I need him to drive me to the store-I'll buy my own pie.

Oh man...why didn't anybody tell me Gevlon was having a complete meltdown?

i was there for the war of the mate

the bonds of mateship are not easily broken

I wonder who our Secret Puppetmaster is...

Also, I would pay for a Gevlon/Dinsdale podcast. That would be tremendous.

I wonder who our Secret Puppetmaster is...

Also, I would pay for a Gevlon/Dinsdale podcast. That would be tremendous.

Maybe we can get Bill Nye to challenge Gev to a debate.

i have four graphs and seven paragraphs of insane ramblings that proves it definitely does not

Are you seriously telling me you don't need logi to bomb T1 cruisers and frigates?

Holy hell man, I have been playing this game all wrong!

A video of you sneaking about in cloaky ships and bombing people on a gate really means nothing towards whether you use neut logi and sit on 4-4 99% of the time, which you very much do.

I don't need anyone to "tell" me this, it's rather self evident if you've ever been to Jita in the last year (which I have).

Also the 15 neuts + panic log-ins was personally witnessed.

let's see the same thing from GSF perspective (details on my blog)! Goonswarm was attacked in 130 wars since Jan 1, 2013. Goons and allies lost 423.4B in these wars. RvB joined to 13 wars, and in these wars GSF and allies lost 264.4B. So 62% of the war losses happened while under protection of RvB. Granted, it's not 100%. Bad, bad pets!

Hey beefolk, an update on the opening post:

Hey beefolk, an update on the opening post:

Oh man...why didn't anybody tell me Gevlon was having a complete meltdown?

gevlon riddle me this

before conquerable highsec pocos existed there was nothing that we could gain in highsec at an alliance level

why did we go to the three and a half year effort to create a pair of 4000 man spy alliances with nothing in highsec we needed to defend with these spy alliances

Show the proof of this 15 man log in then. http://p0wnd.nl/kb/index.php/pilot_detail/612823499/kills/ funny if I spend 99% of my time in jita killing peps with logi where are all my jita kills? See you take a few people and turn that into what a whole alliance does. That is like me saying hey look I killed 3 guys from goons in high sec so that means all goons live in high sec.

Just when I thought he could not say anything else dumb he proved me wrong at that at least.

This is the same inconvenient point I made back several pages ago which he brushed aside and ignored, as it destroys his entire premise.

gevlon riddle me this

before conquerable highsec pocos existed there was nothing that we could gain in highsec at an alliance level

You're right. There is nothing in highsec a Goon needs. So 2x Burn Jita, Nx Hulkageddon were all imagined by me.

Joke's on him, ishtars mean afk ratting.

You're right. There is nothing in highsec a Goon needs. So 2x Burn Jita, Nx Hulkageddon were all imagined by me.

mostly The Marmite Collective, the alliance with the best killboard ratio in EVE.

Of *course* RvB are the goon's pets! Of course Professor Clio has used his giant head to bamboozle the RvB CEO! Of course the leadership has tricked all the members! Of course RvB members are risk adverse! Of course RvB leaps to the CFC's defence at every turn! Of course RvB was created 4 years ago for this very task - the goons knew that high Sec POCOs were coming! IT ALL MAKES SENSE! It's *all* connected! Can't you see!?!

I'm not sure this is actually true. Even if it is, it is largely meaningless, other than from a mercenary-advert perspective.

I don't think Gevlon has given serious thought to what RvB got out of this on top of fights. We got POCOs, lots of POCOs, and their associated income. During the great POCO rush of November 2013, only 2 groups were ready for a big grab - RvB, and the Goons. Cooperation made a lot of sense for both RvB and the CFC.

Of course, this income would be insignificant for the Goons, but for us it's quite nice. We have no moons, our members do little ratting/missioning so tax income is low, we don't rent space... but POCO cash we have!

I think I've figured out his nastiest surprise of all, which he will wait to reveal years from now...

This whole charade of ridiculous and loony blog and forum posts is done on purpose. As we speak, he is computing all of the isk that Goons could have earned ratting but didn't because they were reading and responding to his drivel.

How many billions, perhaps trillions of isk is Gevlon effectively stealing from Goons by wasting their time?

This is the greatest...

scam....

ever

Gevlon, you are a genius!

Ever heard of BoTLORD treaty? Goons and PL agreed not to directly attack the structures of each other in their respective regions they "own". You could have the same. Split the systems, you don't attack POCOs in Goon systems, they don't attack yours.

But instead you choose to go full ally, actively defending Goon assets. Since your POCOs were never in danger from anyone but Goons, you are bullied servants at best. Since my tiny alliance can contest Goon POCOs, it's clear that you were not forced to kiss the ring (and even then you could just have no POCOs). Above all, you could just give them the finger and "have fun fights". You choose to defend them. Just like you choose to defend Goons earlier this year. Which means you are their sockpuppet since years.

By the way I know that the reason Goons own POCOs is mostly "lol we have POCOs".
Considering the fact that you are in RvB, you greatly undervalue "lol".

Since my tiny alliance can contest Goon POCOs

Ever heard of BoTLORD treaty? Goons and PL agreed not to directly attack the structures of each other in their respective regions they "own". You could have the same. Split the systems, you don't attack POCOs in Goon systems, they don't attack yours.

But instead you choose to go full ally, actively defending Goon assets. Since your POCOs were never in danger from anyone but Goons, you are bullied servants at best. Since my tiny alliance can contest Goon POCOs, it's clear that you were not forced to kiss the ring (and even then you could just have no POCOs). Above all, you could just give them the finger and "have fun fights". You choose to defend them. Just like you choose to defend Goons earlier this year. Which means you are their sockpuppet since years.

By the way I know that the reason Goons own POCOs is mostly "lol we have POCOs".
Considering the fact that you are in RvB, you greatly undervalue "lol".