More helpful would be automatically spawning both sides of new holes, ie. no "not warping to the static" to keep K162 unspawned.... and delayed appearance in local when exiting a wormhole to nullsec, pretty please.

While you're at it, how about making ships that enter a null or low sec system from a WH in that system have a delayed appearance in local?

I'd like to see other around wormholes in general... Like this for example:




Hell yes!

I'm all for not providing free intel, but not being able to get that intel at all is very bad.

It would make ganking PvE fleets waaaay to easy.
Just roll static, jump through, hit d-scan, warp cloaked to combat site, tackle stuff and then **** them with your main fleet.
Unless they hit d-scan during the exact moment when you switched from gate cloak to CovOps cloak (and are in d-scan range of the hole) they would have no chance at all.

I fear this might lead to people only doing PvE in very large fleets to be able to defend themselves against gank fleets. I doubt anyone in w-space would want this place to become the same N+1 zerg that we currently have in null.

By removing the option for probing and seeing a signature on scan, I feel that this will surely increase the risks and danger to wormholes. That being said, I'm of the opinion that making probing options delayed for any amount of time would unbalance the mechanic. If you can't scan, probe, see, or anything of a K162, then what option does the receiving end have?

This option gives the leg up to the aggressor without providing an alternative to those who are proactive on the receiving end of a wormhole. I am all for changing the discovery scanner to only allow an update upon session change or probing for new signatures, but making a K162 unprobable is not an option I support, Fozzie :)

People in this thread seem to mistakenly believe that the k162 shows up immediately on being activated from the other side.

This may have been true briefly after the patch that brought us the discovery scanner but it is no longer true.

New k162 do not show immediately without refreshing your Sig list.

If dscan is an exceptable function of the game, why is repeatedly toggling the Show Anomalies check box (an identical action) accepted?

the size of the rocks they put out there should tell you they've always been trying to get miners killed

So you convert gravs to anoms so you no longer have to scan them down and now you want to make new sigs invisible? Are you trying to kill wormhole mining entirely?

New k162 do not show immediately without refreshing your Sig list.

If dscan is an exceptable function of the game, why is repeatedly toggling the Show Anomalies check box (an identical action) accepted?

I was under the impression that toggling the "show anomalies" was not a fresh query

yes, you SHOULD need to watch over your shoulder all the time, but if you ARE watching, you should NOT be punished by stupid mechanics that make your watching irrelevant.

regarding my previous comment about why it's so hard to find wormholes on SiSi... it makes sense if it is intended to give an advantage to the player at the head of the wormhole via surprise, and this proposed change also makes sense. the next step in trying to strike a balance using this strategy is dscan.

I'm still not sure what we're commenting on, though. Fozzie didn't define the problem, exactly.

Its a bit simpler actually. The vocal minority want something to shoot. Everytime a wormhole opens up, those on the otherside immediately scatter and pos up.

This would give them 3 to 5 minutes of hole rolled blackout cloak immunity to "gank" them before they pos up.

Its mainly because they don't want to do a pos bash for 2 days (they cant stay online for that long, and the ships needed to bash pos are not the ones you would want to bring in a pvp combat situation). In addition, bashing a pos is not something a small gang wants to do, as they want kills, not a structure grind.

Can't punish people for not fighting besides bubbling everything, and at that point, its a waiting game (and what active pvp combat pilot wants to spend hours upon hours patrolling a bubbled wormhole looking for people who won't leave the pos shield).

The issue is more inherent than a wormhole showing up on your scanner overview.

The reason it's so hard to find WH's on SiSi is completely unrelated to any proposed changes.

It's because the vast majority of WH's from W-space to K-space are scanned out from the inside out, spawning K162's from the inside.

And on SiSi, with nobody actually living in WH's, there is nobody to scan them out and spawn the K-space exits.
The only way to get in is to find a naturally occuring K-space to W-space direction wandering WH.

And with a glance at a chart I have, that looks to be only a few hundred WH's scattered across all of eve where the WH can be scanned down from the K-space side.

Nothing to do with changes.