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Sgt Ocker
Last Bastion of Freedom
203
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Posted - 2014.05.09 09:30:00 -
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Sniper Smith wrote:It has never been if you can use it now you can use it then.. CCP have increased requirements for modules several times now.
The line has always been if you can FLY it now you can FLY it then..
Also, it's ~15min of training total for you to keep using your Sentries as you are.. so suck it up princess. If they made it so you needed to spec skill at V, then you'd have an argument.. 1 is nothing. Sorry - Your wrong oh so very wrong - it won't be a simple 15 mins to keep using them as now - It is over 20 days to get back to where they are now. Specialization 1 gives 2% bonus, you will need to train to lvl 5 to get 100% Dps from Sentries. Having trained Sentry Drones level 5 currently gives you 100% Dps, so unless Specialization is simply adding to the current Dps you get from Sentries - It is additional training and previously maxed skills will have lost value. |
Skarlock Tremillion
Angry Rampant Space Gerbils
3
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Posted - 2014.05.09 11:08:00 -
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Ravasta Helugo wrote:Are the stats for the Gecko fixed, or will it be receiving a damage/speed boost in line with other heavies when these changes come out?
After looking at the Gecko stats and seeing the way they play my feeling is that these drones are currently set for the post summer change which is why they seem a little OP as is. If you imagine them after the changes then they fall much more in-line with other heavy drones with the DPS and speed becoming normalised. It would be interesting to get official feedback about them but I would put my 2 ISK on them already having the stats ready for the summer patch. |
Sael Va'Tauri
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.05.09 21:28:00 -
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Instead of just making the augmented drones the same as fully skilled T2 drones, has anyone considered making them do less damage than a T2 drone, but be effected by both racial skills?
For example, base an augmented hobgoblin could do 12% less damage than a T2 hobgoblin, but be effected by both Gallenete and Caldari Drone Spec skills, so at level 4 in both specs the augmented drone would deal ~4% damage more than a T2 hobgoblin. If you went nuts training, you could even top out at ~8% more damage than a normal T2 hobgoblin. |
Innominate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
565
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Posted - 2014.05.09 22:57:00 -
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I realize I'm coming in rather late, but never not post.
As originally envisioned, the conversion of SDO/CDO into the light/medium drone skills made sense. Apparently it was later decided that all three skills would be derived from "SDO or CDO, whichever was higher". The problem here is that in its current form, CDO is support skill for SDO for which there is no reason to ever train it higher.
What this means is that despite the wording, what is effectively happening is that Combat drone operation is being deleted, with three new skills being added which carry over the value of your Scout Drone Operation skill. While the other way around is possible, it's practically nonexistent as training them like that makes no sense.
Consider someone with only SDO5, they are losing that skill in exchange for three level 5 skills.
Next consider someone with only CDO5, they are spending twice the SP to get those same three level 5 skills. This one doesn't actually happen because nobody trains CDO5 without already having SDO5.
Now consider someone with SDO5 _and_ CDO5, they have spent three times the training time as the SDO5 pilot and will receive the same final SP amount from it.
This change should be considered for what it is, the removal of CDO and splitting of SDO into three separate skills with the SP from CDO being refunded as unallocated SP. |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2014.05.10 04:32:00 -
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No one is getting any SP over it. I'll eat my eyepiece if we do lol
And as for the "It's no longer useful therefore we should get SP back.." line from a page back.. I didn't get the MONTH and change I spent training into an Orca back when they cut it's training time back by a third.. Cap pilots didn't get the time back from training BS V when the requirements changed to BS IV..
You trained a skill cause you needed it, then you benefited from it. So you're not getting SP back now that things change. Doing that would be as bad as after every change CCP goes back and says "Well your ship can't do THAT dps anymore, so we are undoing this kill, and that one, and giving these guys back their space.."
You benefited from it, be happy, deal with the changes. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
15
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Posted - 2014.05.10 07:44:00 -
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Sniper Smith wrote:No one is getting any SP over it. I'll eat my eyepiece if we do lol
And as for the "It's no longer useful therefore we should get SP back.." line from a page back.. I didn't get the MONTH and change I spent training into an Orca back when they cut it's training time back by a third.. Cap pilots didn't get the time back from training BS V when the requirements changed to BS IV..
You trained a skill cause you needed it, then you benefited from it. So you're not getting SP back now that things change. Doing that would be as bad as after every change CCP goes back and says "Well your ship can't do THAT dps anymore, so we are undoing this kill, and that one, and giving these guys back their space.."
You benefited from it, be happy, deal with the changes.
I don't see how changing requirements for an item is the same as entirely removing a skill. |
Innominate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
566
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:00:00 -
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Sniper Smith wrote:No one is getting any SP over it. I'll eat my eyepiece if we do lol
And as for the "It's no longer useful therefore we should get SP back.." line from a page back.. I didn't get the MONTH and change I spent training into an Orca back when they cut it's training time back by a third.. Cap pilots didn't get the time back from training BS V when the requirements changed to BS IV.
When the training time for the orca was cut, and you might have no longer personally needed those skills, they were still in the game and still conferred bonuses for things you could have done. Capital pilots had battleship 5 before, they had battleship 5 after, and battleship 5 still did mattered when flying battleships.
This change is different, if you have SDO5 and CDO5 today, after the patch it's exactly the same result as if you had SDO5/CD00, 512k sp less.
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Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
5
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Posted - 2014.05.10 21:52:00 -
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Innominate wrote:Sniper Smith wrote:No one is getting any SP over it. I'll eat my eyepiece if we do lol
And as for the "It's no longer useful therefore we should get SP back.." line from a page back.. I didn't get the MONTH and change I spent training into an Orca back when they cut it's training time back by a third.. Cap pilots didn't get the time back from training BS V when the requirements changed to BS IV.
When the training time for the orca was cut, and you might have no longer personally needed those skills, they were still in the game and still conferred bonuses for things you could have done. Capital pilots had battleship 5 before, they had battleship 5 after, and battleship 5 still did matter when flying battleships. This change is different, if you have SDO5 and CDO5 today, after the patch it's exactly the same result as if you had SDO5/CD00, 512k sp less.
I didn't get skill points back for Diplomatic relations when they removed what the skill does and now gives a totally different bonus. |
stoicfaux
4787
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Posted - 2014.05.11 14:54:00 -
[909] - Quote
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tYl-QUgm_JqySf3e7o7CkbfYYcM3rQcE6RexpXVtkS0/edit?usp=sharing
Google docs spreadsheet for summer drones (using the spreadsheet from the blog as a base.) It includes skills and lets you add modules/rig effects while accounting for stacking penalties. Click the tabs for a preview of a Domi, Rattlesnake, and Gila. You will need to make a copy if you want to play with it (either download or copy it to your googledrive.)
You can make up your own module/effects numbers for hypothetical faction drone modules and/or new drone modules such as the low slot TE for drones.
Does not include fighters and bombers.
Apologies if someone has already beaten me to it or if the data has otherwise been made available.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
771
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Posted - 2014.05.11 16:38:00 -
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Raely Reborn wrote:Will drone rigs like tracking, durability, and speed affect fighter/fighter bombers?
Will you be adding a drone implant category?
Any plans to edit the existing rig or add new rig(s) to provide damage increases for each class of drone (not just sentry)?
o7
From my reading of the dev blog:
Yes, yes, yes, yes(yes and no)*
No
No
*IIRC fighter bomber damage is calculated like missile damage so tracking won't affect it. Embers Children is recruiting carefully selected pilots who like wormholes, green killboards and the sweet taste of tears. You can convo me in game or join the chat "TOHA Lounge".
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:20:00 -
[911] - Quote
No new Drone Rigs or Implants this release.. I asked earlier and they said they are considering for future releases, but don't want to change it all at once. aka don't hold your breath. |
Dehval
Risk Breakers Fidelas Constans
45
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Posted - 2014.05.12 01:54:00 -
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With the changes to Drone Interfacing will Mining Drones be getting their yield increased to compensate? Not really important because they are hardly used as is, but it would be nice for clarification.
Haven't had the time to read the thread to see if this was answered. |
Angelina Duvolle
Homeworld Technologies
10
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Posted - 2014.05.12 02:44:00 -
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Quote:is important for current Supercarrier pilots to be prepared for the change in Fighter Bomber volume. Any Supercarrier drone bay that is full of Fighter Bombers before the patch will be overloaded after downtime. In this case the drones will automatically move to the SupercarrierGÇÖs cargo bay where they will prevent the ship from warping or jumping until they have been jettisoned or otherwise removed.
Unsub'd pilots returning to the game are gonna have a pretty big suprise when they can't WARP OR JUMP on re-subbing/logging back in.
Might want to find an alternative to that. |
Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
771
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Posted - 2014.05.12 08:53:00 -
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I'm struggling to imagine a world where CCP would want to design changes to the benefit of people who don't pay them regularly, rather than people who do.
Embers Children is recruiting carefully selected pilots who like wormholes, green killboards and the sweet taste of tears. You can convo me in game or join the chat "TOHA Lounge".
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Sgt Ocker
Last Bastion of Freedom
208
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Posted - 2014.05.12 09:00:00 -
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Mournful Conciousness wrote: I'm struggling to imagine a world where CCP would want to design changes to the benefit of people who don't pay them regularly, rather than people who do. With the current push of incentives to get people to seek out ex players and get them to resub.. I can. My opinions are mine. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK. Just don't bother Hating - I don't care.. |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15458
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Posted - 2014.05.12 09:12:00 -
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Mournful Conciousness wrote: I'm struggling to imagine a world where CCP would want to design changes to the benefit of people who don't pay them regularly, rather than people who do.
Yeah it's almost is if there's some divergence between some wild sweeping generalisations that have ben made which you have seized on as being convenient, and the actual facts which CCP are in a position to know for certain. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15458
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Posted - 2014.05.12 09:13:00 -
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Hahaha just kidding of course. Wild sweeping generalisations are always correct. What kind of crazy upside down world would this be if they weren't? "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
773
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Posted - 2014.05.12 12:21:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Mournful Conciousness wrote: I'm struggling to imagine a world where CCP would want to design changes to the benefit of people who don't pay them regularly, rather than people who do. Yeah it's almost is if there's some divergence between some wild sweeping generalisations that have ben made which you have seized on as being convenient, and the actual facts which CCP are in a position to know for certain.
If I were making a wild sweeping generalisation then I would accept your point, but I am not since I carefully used the regularly.
A mothership pilot account being resubbed so that it can take part in a few battles before being mothballed again does not constitute a regular subscription.
That would be an irregular subscription, right?
Embers Children is recruiting carefully selected pilots who like wormholes, green killboards and the sweet taste of tears. You can convo me in game or join the chat "TOHA Lounge".
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9798
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Posted - 2014.05.14 10:03:00 -
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Bump so people are aware they need to train SDO 5 and not CDO 5. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Jedediah Arndtz
Warner Bros.
22
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Posted - 2014.05.14 10:47:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Sorry for the delay in answering some of the skill questions guys.
As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.
The Light Drone Operation skill will be rank 1, the Medium Drone Operation skill will be rank 2.
So you're saying the people who already had SDO to 5, and trained CDO 5 because of the devblog are SOL? Wow, thanks CCP, yet another way to **** the players. |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9822
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Posted - 2014.05.14 11:42:00 -
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Lady Rift wrote:Innominate wrote:Sniper Smith wrote:No one is getting any SP over it. I'll eat my eyepiece if we do lol
And as for the "It's no longer useful therefore we should get SP back.." line from a page back.. I didn't get the MONTH and change I spent training into an Orca back when they cut it's training time back by a third.. Cap pilots didn't get the time back from training BS V when the requirements changed to BS IV.
When the training time for the orca was cut, and you might have no longer personally needed those skills, they were still in the game and still conferred bonuses for things you could have done. Capital pilots had battleship 5 before, they had battleship 5 after, and battleship 5 still did matter when flying battleships. This change is different, if you have SDO5 and CDO5 today, after the patch it's exactly the same result as if you had SDO5/CD00, 512k sp less. I didn't get skill points back for Diplomatic relations when they removed what the skill does and now gives a totally different bonus. You should have. In my opinion you could and should still be reimbursed for that skill. If you still want it you can put the SP back into it. If not, put it somewhere else. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Monthan
Omega Bureau
0
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Posted - 2014.05.14 18:58:00 -
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Jedediah Arndtz wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Sorry for the delay in answering some of the skill questions guys.
As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.
The Light Drone Operation skill will be rank 1, the Medium Drone Operation skill will be rank 2. So you're saying the people who already had SDO to 5, and trained CDO 5 because of the devblog are SOL? Wow, thanks CCP, yet another way to **** the players.
+1
CCP must compensante current sentry drone t2 players, with unallocated SP... |
Xavbian Deepleaf
SnaiLs aNd FroGs
6
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Posted - 2014.05.14 23:47:00 -
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Looking at current sisi changes something is wrong ?
Tranquility sshot: http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/71637620140514234153.png Singularity sshot: http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/58697720140514233653.png
So, i'm missing 5 levels in medium drones with Kronos update? wtf? |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
82
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Posted - 2014.05.15 03:24:00 -
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Monthan wrote:CCP must compensante current sentry drone t2 players, with unallocated SP... No.
I've never got free SP each time CCP as increased the requirements for a module.. Neither should you.
Fly it now Fly it then only applies to Ships. In all other cases, you're on your own, and are just gonna have to suck it up and spend the day training the skills to get back where you are now :p
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
751
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Posted - 2014.05.15 06:25:00 -
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The SENSIBLE option would have been:
Avionics = SDO current level LDO = SDO current level
MDO = CDO current level
No lost SP, no need for reimbursement.
This is a serious suggestion of a better way to make this work without the need for reimbursement. |
Sgt Ocker
Last Bastion of Freedom
217
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Posted - 2014.05.15 11:17:00 -
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After experiencing Drone Upgrades Affecting the performance of Fighters. I'd like to say - Impressed, nice buff.
I'd also be curious to see if a skill to increase Drone Orbit Speed of Heavy Drones, Fighters and Fighter Bombers might be a possibility ?
It would need to be a high ranked skill - 12 or 14 possibly - Increase Drone Orbit Speed by 2% per level.
My opinions are mine. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK. Just don't bother Hating - I don't care.. |
Schlampa
Kids with Catalysts Clockwork Pineapple
5
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Posted - 2014.05.15 19:28:00 -
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Jedediah Arndtz wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Sorry for the delay in answering some of the skill questions guys.
As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.
The Light Drone Operation skill will be rank 1, the Medium Drone Operation skill will be rank 2. So you're saying the people who already had SDO to 5, and trained CDO 5 because of the devblog are SOL?
It would be nice to have some further clarification for this. One obscure dev post is contradicting the official announcment and then never commented on again.
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Erehwon Rorschach
Justified Chaos
107
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Posted - 2014.05.16 10:02:00 -
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When can we expect more information on the new faction drone modules?
Has there been any hints on this.
Because your mum just couldn't say no. |
Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
217
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Posted - 2014.05.16 17:09:00 -
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I tested Garde II out today.
On sisi with the same skills i do 140 dps less than currently on TQ.
So sentry drones are getting nerfed.
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
905
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Posted - 2014.05.16 21:51:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:The SENSIBLE option would have been:
Avionics = SDO current level LDO = SDO current level
MDO = CDO current level
No lost SP, no need for reimbursement.
This is a serious suggestion of a better way to make this work without the need for reimbursement.
I thought that at first too, but it doesn't work.
If I have SDO 5 and CDO 0 - I can use Lights and Mediums and train their T2 Variants - I have +25KM Control Range - I do not have any damage bonus.
Post Change - I can use Lights and train their T2 Variants - I can no longer use mediums or their T2 Variants - I have 25KM Control Range - I have a 25% Damage Bonus to my Light Drones
The only realistic and simplistic way to do it is:
Let SDO count for everything. Scrap CDO and refund the SP on it.
Otherwise you end up with numerous variants of people being gifted various different benefits without actually training the skills for them.
SDO 5/CDO 0 = +25% Damage after change CDO 5/SDO 0 = +25KM Drone Range = +Access to T2 Training = + Skill for Lights/Meds @ 5.
Because of the way the skills are currently it is impossible to split them without giving people a benefit in one category or the other, and this is an unfair approach to adjustment because people with both trained are going to lose an advantage that they trained to get.
So CCP should just give everyone their CDO SP back and call it a day. Easy peasy lemon squeasy.
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