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Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1448	Posted - 2014.05.05 18:49:00 - [3001] - Quote Last Wolf wrote: Daichi Yamato wrote: Priestess Lin wrote: changing quote because it will probably be deleted. its primary dps is still drones. ~800 is still more than ~500. The snake has 93.75% of the dps of a golem without including drone dps. It really just depends on what lows you want to fit. yeah i went straight off of my fit. but without any damage mods fit, the drones still do more dps than the missiles. and ppl said the rattler had no versatility. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"

ISD Tyrozan ISD Community Communications Liaisons 380	Posted - 2014.05.05 18:50:00 - [3002] - Quote Personal attack post removed. Forum rule 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISDTyrozan \| @ISD_CCL

baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 11332	Posted - 2014.05.05 18:56:00 - [3003] - Quote Priestess Lin wrote: Daichi Yamato wrote: edited lol what did i get wrong? its losing its resistance to e-war What resistance to E-war? Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Barton Breau University of Caille Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:05:00 - [3004] - Quote Last Wolf wrote: Daichi Yamato wrote: Priestess Lin wrote: changing quote because it will probably be deleted. its primary dps is still drones. ~800 is still more than ~500. The snake has 93.75% of the dps of a golem without including drone dps. It really just depends on what lows you want to fit. Hmm and nobody posts fits (i assume we all can multiply 4 launcher dps by 1.875). My best on a 315sig, 175-350m/s bs was so far 1150-1430 dps.
KaDa en Bauldry Aliastra Gallente Federation 35	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:17:00 - [3005] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Priestess Lin wrote: Daichi Yamato wrote: edited lol what did i get wrong? its losing its resistance to e-war What resistance to E-war? The one when your sentry drones kept shooting at an orbiting frig at 2.5km after it successfully jammed you. Or Heavies moving out to a Battleship orbiting at 50km. Total flawless immunity. Don't forget about ship insurance before undocking. Don't forget about copy-paste saving before posting.
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1448	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:25:00 - [3006] - Quote KaDa en Bauldry wrote: baltec1 wrote: Priestess Lin wrote: Daichi Yamato wrote: edited lol what did i get wrong? its losing its resistance to e-war What resistance to E-war? The one when your sentry drones kept shooting at an orbiting frig at 2.5km after it successfully jammed you. Or Heavies moving out to a Battleship orbiting at 50km. Total flawless immunity. so what resistance to e-war has it lost? EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Arthur Aihaken Erebus Solia 3467	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:35:00 - [3007] - Quote Just to backtrack a bit and resurrect the discussion Tyberius Franklin and I were havingGÇª I was able to modify pyfa (thanks Sable Blitzmann!) by hacking the stats on a Berserker I heavy drone. When you drop a pair of Geckos into your Rattlesnake on Tuesday they will deliver 875 dps with V skills utilizing 4x T2 DDAs. 4x T2 DNC's will take this to 5k m/sec velocity. With the release of the Summer expansion (assuming no further changes to the OP), a single Gecko with the same configuration will bump this to 1095 dps with just over 7k m/sec velocity. To put that in perspective, if you simultaneously launch cruise missiles and the GeckoGÇª the Gecko will hit first. I'll post an update shortly with a revised EHP. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Arthur Aihaken Erebus Solia 3467	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:48:00 - [3008] - Quote Gecko EHPGÇª 49,400 (average) with 1x T2 Drone Durability and 2x T1 Drone Durability rigs. EM - 51,011 EHP GÇª Thermal - 47,445 EHP GÇª Kinetic - 46,946 EHP GÇª Explosive - 52,192 EHP This assumes full V skills as well. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 11333	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:55:00 - [3009] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Gecko EHPGÇª 49,400 (average) with 1x T2 Drone Durability and 2x T1 Drone Durability rigs. EM - 51,011 EHP GÇª Thermal - 47,445 EHP GÇª Kinetic - 46,946 EHP GÇª Explosive - 52,192 EHP This assumes full V skills as well. I have flown Megathrons with less EFT ehp Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Arthur Aihaken Erebus Solia 3467	Posted - 2014.05.05 20:01:00 - [3010] - Quote baltec1 wrote: I have flown Megathrons with less EFT ehp They are pretty scary numbers, to be sure... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 11337	Posted - 2014.05.05 20:05:00 - [3011] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: baltec1 wrote: I have flown Megathrons with less EFT ehp They are pretty scary numbers, to be sure... Its entirely possible there will be rattles come summer with less ehp than the drones its launching Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5795	Posted - 2014.05.05 20:13:00 - [3012] - Quote Arthur did you happen to get the numbers on what the alpha of a Gecko will be? Pretty sure at this point, via napkin math, that I need to revise my statement of the Rattlesnake having a pocket assault frigate to being that the Rattlesnake has a pocket AHAC instead. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Last Wolf Umbra Wing 200	Posted - 2014.05.05 20:13:00 - [3013] - Quote I guess I've missed something, what are these Gecko drones you are speaking of? Warning: Sarcasm Above.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5795	Posted - 2014.05.05 20:17:00 - [3014] - Quote Last Wolf wrote: I guess I've missed something, what are these Gecko drones you are speaking of? They're adding a new (Guristas?) drone called the Gecko. It will apparently be an anniversary prize or something, everybody gets 3 of them. It uses 50mb of bandwidth and it's stats are obscene. They get even worse when you pair them up with the Rattlesnake's new drone bonus, so it seems as though the Snake is intended to be used with them. [edit: The stats are already in the game, I think you can look them up in the market. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2014.05.05 20:18:00 - [3015] - Quote If they aren't replaceable, they're basically the drone version of the state raven.
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1448	Posted - 2014.05.05 20:20:00 - [3016] - Quote indeed, geckos are horribly deadly. with the split damage types tho, i dnt know if using them in missions will be worth it. please dnt gank me when i use them kaarous. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Last Wolf Umbra Wing 200	Posted - 2014.05.05 20:23:00 - [3017] - Quote So what happens when a carrier launches 15 of these drones? How do they compare to fighters? Or does anyone have a link to their stats? Warning: Sarcasm Above.
Mournful Conciousness Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate 748	Posted - 2014.05.05 20:24:00 - [3018] - Quote Daichi Yamato wrote: indeed, geckos are horribly deadly. with the split damage types tho, i dnt know if using them in missions will be worth it. please dnt gank me when i use them kaarous. Let's avoid the hyperbole. Geckos are about as powerful as two ogres, and take up the same bandwidth and volume as two ogres. So they are only horribly deadly if two ogres are horribly deadly. Embers Children is recruiting carefully selected pilots who like wormholes, green killboards and the sweet taste of tears. You can convo me in game or join the chat "TOHA Lounge".
Last Wolf Umbra Wing 200	Posted - 2014.05.05 20:43:00 - [3019] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Just to backtrack a bit and resurrect the discussion Tyberius Franklin and I were havingGÇª I was able to modify pyfa (thanks Sable Blitzmann!) by hacking the stats on a Berserker I heavy drone. When you drop a pair of Geckos into your Rattlesnake on Tuesday they will deliver 875 dps with V skills utilizing 4x T2 DDAs. 4x T2 DNC's will take this to 5k m/sec velocity. With the release of the Summer expansion (assuming no further changes to the OP), a single Gecko with the same configuration will bump this to 1095 dps with just over 7k m/sec velocity. To put that in perspective, if you simultaneously launch cruise missiles and the GeckoGÇª the Gecko will hit first. I'll post an update shortly with a revised EHP. So if you launch the Gecko from a Ishtar... 9.7km/s? Warning: Sarcasm Above.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5797	Posted - 2014.05.05 21:00:00 - [3020] - Quote Daichi Yamato wrote: indeed, geckos are horribly deadly. with the split damage types tho, i dnt know if using them in missions will be worth it. please dnt gank me when i use them kaarous. I imagine people might gank both to steal those, and to blow them up out of spite alone. It would be so much more than a MTU killmail. Thing is, if you're using it on a Rattlesnake, it'd take about 5 Catalysts to kill one in time for a suicide gank, sec status depending obviously. So I wouldn't be that worried, honestly. Oh, and Mournful? The Gecko is faster, hits harder, tracks better, and has more hitpoints than 2 ogres. With Rattlesnake bonuses it will be insane. Price is the only constricting factor in it's use. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1449	Posted - 2014.05.05 21:10:00 - [3021] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Oh, and Mournful? The Gecko is faster, hits harder, tracks better, and has more hitpoints than 2 ogres. With Rattlesnake bonuses it will be insane. Price is the only constricting factor in it's use. i was going to say this. its two ogres combined and then put on steroids. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Ravasta Helugo Republic University Minmatar Republic 275	Posted - 2014.05.05 21:16:00 - [3022] - Quote So, I don't really have the patience to wade through the shitstorm of the past 10-20 pages... but: Can we please talk about how OMFGBBQLOL powerful the new Rattlesnake is with that Gecko drone that we're all going to get three of tonight? I think that would be a really awesome topic of discussion. Thanks.
Arthur Aihaken Erebus Solia 3469	Posted - 2014.05.05 21:52:00 - [3023] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Arthur did you happen to get the numbers on what the alpha of a Gecko will be? Pretty sure at this point, via napkin math, that I need to revise my statement of the Rattlesnake having a pocket assault frigate to being that the Rattlesnake has a pocket AHAC instead. Yeah, and it's obsceneGÇª Until the summer release a pair of Geckos will each have an alpha of 1750. With the summer release, a single Gecko will have an alpha of 5235. Potentially 5-8% more with Faction DDA's. I'm not even sure why we're talking about missiles... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Arthur Aihaken Erebus Solia 3469	Posted - 2014.05.05 22:02:00 - [3024] - Quote Ravasta Helugo wrote: Can we please talk about how OMFGBBQLOL powerful the new Rattlesnake is with that Gecko drone that we're all going to get three of tonight? I think that would be a really awesome topic of discussion. Thanks. Haha, sure. Just remember that the Gecko won't realize it's full potential until the next release. With full skills and modules you're looking at about 875 dps for a pair of Geckos and 29k EHP with durability rigs with the current iteration of the Rattlesnake. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Barton Breau University of Caille Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2014.05.05 22:05:00 - [3025] - Quote Dunno about pvp, but a reasonable assumption in pve regarding split resists would be around 65-85% effectiveness.
Mournful Conciousness Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate 748	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:01:00 - [3026] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Ravasta Helugo wrote: Can we please talk about how OMFGBBQLOL powerful the new Rattlesnake is with that Gecko drone that we're all going to get three of tonight? I think that would be a really awesome topic of discussion. Thanks. Haha, sure. Just remember that the Gecko won't realize it's full potential until the next release. With full skills and modules you're looking at about 875 dps for a pair of Geckos and 29k EHP with durability rigs with the current iteration of the Rattlesnake. All very well arthur, but in pvp I'm struggling to see how this will make much (if any) difference. PVP ships just don't have the slots to waste on drone durability or drone navigation computers - they put it all into tank for very good reason. These cruiser-strength geckos are unlikely to be seen in practice, at least outside of a level 4 mission - if they are then their hosts will go down in flames unnecessarily quickly. In 1v1's on the test server, people attack drones because it's often the logical choice. In real eve, they don't bother - they just call in reinforcements. I accept that the new rattlesnake will deliver good dps (as much as a navy raven, say). It's a small improvement in shortish range gank that brings the ship up to the level of a ship one class below it... ...in that light it's a little unimpressive isn't it? Embers Children is recruiting carefully selected pilots who like wormholes, green killboards and the sweet taste of tears. You can convo me in game or join the chat "TOHA Lounge".
Arthur Aihaken Erebus Solia 3469	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:11:00 - [3027] - Quote Mournful Conciousness wrote: All very well arthur, but in pvp I'm struggling to see how this will make much (if any) difference. PVP ships just don't have the slots to waste on drone durability or drone navigation computers - they put it all into tank for very good reason. These cruiser-strength geckos are unlikely to be seen in practice, at least outside of a level 4 mission - if they are then their hosts will go down in flames unnecessarily quickly. In 1v1's on the test server, people attack drones because it's often the logical choice. In real eve, they don't bother - they just call in reinforcements. I accept that the new rattlesnake will deliver good dps (as much as a navy raven, say). It's a small improvement in shortish range gank that brings the ship up to the level of a ship one class below it... ...in that light it's a little unimpressive isn't it? Oh, absolutely. I was of course referring to PvE fits, because until such time as the Geckos become more widely available I can't see many being risked in PvP at $70-million (and climbing) a popGÇª I suggested drone durability rigs for the simple reason that the Gecko or two that most carry could very well end up costing more than the host Rattlesnake, and the three rigs boost EHP by 80%. The Geckos have the potential for a 6000 hit point alpha - and this will absolutely tear through most NPC ships. With omni damage these will be pretty hard on sleepers, too. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Sgt Ocker Last Bastion of Freedom 199	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:36:00 - [3028] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Arthur, you are incorrect in regards to the comparison of the Gila. Previous it was not restricted to the use of medium drones. It used sentries, so you need to compare the dps of the new mediums with the dps of the previously usable sentry drones. That's a considerably more apt comparison, and it has the effect of putting the lie to the statement that the rattlesnake needs it's drones further improved. Fair point. I don't have a lot of experience with the Gila, but what you indicate makes sense so I'll take this at face value. The biggest difference between the new Gila and the old - Sentry Drones could hit out to 100+k Medium Drones can't Trying to use the old Gila as a starting place comparison for the new - Forget sentries - How did it perform with Heavy, Medium and Light drones Prior and how will Medium Super Drones compare after. If you stick to - It used sentries before so should do the same Dps as them - You are missing the whole point of the change. Sentry Drone Dps it has now can never be taken into account for medium Drones. Heavy Drones actually do more Dps than Sentries (on paper), how do super mediums compare to those. Light Drones do less Dps but have better damage application than Heavies, how do Super Mediums compare. If you come up with - Medium Super Drones will do the job Heavies and Lights now do - Gila is in the right place. Not the place many want it to be But it is the right place for the balance Devs are looking for. The Snake is a different animal altogether and cannot be balanced the same way the Gila has - Devs realized this and so added Sentries, just IMO, not the right way. Currently the Snake is changing from a Drone Battleship with missile support to a Missile Battleship with drone support.
Arthur Aihaken Erebus Solia 3469	Posted - 2014.05.06 00:17:00 - [3029] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: Currently the Snake is changing from a Drone Battleship with missile support to a Missile Battleship with drone support. Even with 1100+ dps from a single Gecko? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Priestess Lin Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 94	Posted - 2014.05.06 00:31:00 - [3030] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Sgt Ocker wrote: Currently the Snake is changing from a Drone Battleship with missile support to a Missile Battleship with drone support. Even with 1100+ dps from a single Gecko? Don't you yahoos feel a little silly talking about the Gecko as if everyone is going to have access to them? For all we know it could be a tournament prize. Can't you and Kaaldoofus just send pms to each other so the devs don't have to read your mindless blather? This thread wouldn't be half as long if you two had a lives.

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