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Vincintius Agrippa F L O O D 51	Posted - 2014.05.29 15:27:00 - [4621] - Quote If you can passive tank a gila for 500dps and still do 700dps (rubicon), then shouldnt the rat do it better?
Kaddiska X-Prot Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 12	Posted - 2014.05.29 15:44:00 - [4622] - Quote After some testing on SiSi, here are my thoughts on the changed Rattlesnake: 1. More dps, faster rat kills, in general 2. Turns out, I used to fill my drone hold with everything but the kitchen sink; now I don't and don't miss it 3. DNC's really help heavy drones kill frigs (not saying superfast, but definately doable) 4. Gecko gets a stupendous amount of EHP with durability rigs on the Rattler 5. AFK-ing missions was never really my style, being a single-toon player most of the time, but.... .....to AFK missions (to some extent) the Rattler is as good as before, with the added bonus of usable missile dmg 6. I no longer warp at range, zero is so much more fun! Having also tested RHML on TQ, I find them an interesting addition to the Rattler in current form. They will only be better, of course, in a few days time. Will definately train up the RLML t2, just for the heck of it. All in all, the changes will mean more Rattler-time for me and less on the Sentrytar. Basically, the Rattler will be my drone boat of choice from now on. And, please people: Respect each others' point of view - there is no need for hostility or name calling. Sharing information, thoughts and research is helpful. Forum bashing is not. Fly safe, fun, or however you like!
Fabulous Rod Darkfall Corp 57	Posted - 2014.05.29 15:55:00 - [4623] - Quote Kaddiska wrote: 2. Turns out, I used to fill my drone hold with everything but the kitchen sink; now I don't and don't miss it 3. DNC's really help heavy drones kill frigs (not saying superfast, but definately doable) so instead of just having the the more preferable bonuses to all drones, we now have to fit DNCs? I might add that the Rattlesnake isn't capable of doing any more damage with heavy or sentry drones with these changes and is losing the versatility of its 400m3 drone bay and loss of damage and hp on light and medium drones. Its a nerf to its drone system nomatter how you look at it. A nerf to its drone system that makes its drones weaker than a T1 domi. The new drone boat pirate faction battleship everyone In reference to the Rattlesnake: If you passive tank, you're doing it wrong.-á - Kaarous Aldurald https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4650342#post4650342
Silvetica Dian Manson Family Advent of Fate 1059	Posted - 2014.05.29 15:58:00 - [4624] - Quote Fabulous Rod wrote: KaDa en Bauldry wrote: Fabulous Rod wrote: KaDa en Bauldry wrote: Fabulous Rod wrote: The Rattlesnakes damage increase should have come from more high/mid/low slots. Why should the Rattlesnake have more slots than it deserves? other pirate faction battleships have 20 slots. Except those that do not, and they are the majority. Only 2 have 20, 4 have 19. do they all have split weapon systems too and passive shield tanking? concede a point for once in your life. If you passive tank the new rattlesnake you will indeed be doing it wrong. It is a waste of too many slots that could be damage slots in exchange for a weaker tank. Most people will use a 3 slot tank with everything else being damage and application mods/rigs. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Fabulous Rod Darkfall Corp 57	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:01:00 - [4625] - Quote Silvetica Dian wrote: Fabulous Rod wrote: KaDa en Bauldry wrote: [quote=Fabulous Rod][quote=Fabulous Rod]The Rattlesnakes damage increase should have come from more high/mid/low slots. do they all have split weapon systems too and passive shield tanking? concede a point for once in your life. If you passive tank the new rattlesnake you will indeed be doing it wrong. It is a waste of too many slots that could be damage slots in exchange for a weaker tank. Most people will use a 3 slot tank with everything else being damage and application mods/rigs. The Rattlesnake is the best suited battleship for passive shield tanking in the game. Think before you post. It is sad the number of posters who can only think in terms of DPS. In reference to the Rattlesnake: If you passive tank, you're doing it wrong.-á - Kaarous Aldurald https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4650342#post4650342
KaDa en Bauldry Aliastra Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:02:00 - [4626] - Quote Fabulous Rod wrote: I might add that the Rattlesnake isn't capable of doing any more damage with heavy or sentry drones with these changes I might add it does a lot more damage with missiles, and has bonuses to launcher types it didn't have to before. Don't forget about ship insurance before undocking. Don't forget about copy-paste saving before posting.
KaDa en Bauldry Aliastra Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:03:00 - [4627] - Quote Fabulous Rod wrote: The Rattlesnake is the best suited battleship for passive shield tanking in the game. Think before you post. Kaadoofus alt. That doesn't mean it's a good idea. Think before you post. Or if you post, post a good fit that's not just a niche but versatile. Don't forget about ship insurance before undocking. Don't forget about copy-paste saving before posting.
Fabulous Rod Darkfall Corp 57	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:04:00 - [4628] - Quote KaDa en Bauldry wrote: Fabulous Rod wrote: I might add that the Rattlesnake isn't capable of doing any more damage with heavy or sentry drones with these changes I might add it does a lot more damage with missiles, and has bonuses to launcher types it didn't have to before. More narrow, dps-centric thinking. In reference to the Rattlesnake: If you passive tank, you're doing it wrong.-á - Kaarous Aldurald https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4650342#post4650342
KaDa en Bauldry Aliastra Gallente Federation 65	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:09:00 - [4629] - Quote Fabulous Rod wrote: KaDa en Bauldry wrote: Fabulous Rod wrote: I might add that the Rattlesnake isn't capable of doing any more damage with heavy or sentry drones with these changes I might add it does a lot more damage with missiles, and has bonuses to launcher types it didn't have to before. it is amazing the number of you morons who can only think in terms of DPS. It is amazing how you call people morons and still have your posting rights. It's amazing how you imply a combat battleship's purpose is not dps. Don't forget about ship insurance before undocking. Don't forget about copy-paste saving before posting.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 6570	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:12:00 - [4630] - Quote Fabulous Rod wrote: KaDa en Bauldry wrote: Fabulous Rod wrote: I might add that the Rattlesnake isn't capable of doing any more damage with heavy or sentry drones with these changes I might add it does a lot more damage with missiles, and has bonuses to launcher types it didn't have to before. More narrow, dps-centric thinking. Says the person crying about drone dps. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." Psychotic Monk for CSM9.

KaDa en Bauldry Aliastra Gallente Federation 65	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:14:00 - [4631] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Fabulous Rod wrote: KaDa en Bauldry wrote: Fabulous Rod wrote: I might add that the Rattlesnake isn't capable of doing any more damage with heavy or sentry drones with these changes I might add it does a lot more damage with missiles, and has bonuses to launcher types it didn't have to before. More narrow, dps-centric thinking. Says the person crying about drone dps. "Apparently, because of light drones." Don't forget about ship insurance before undocking. Don't forget about copy-paste saving before posting.
Fabulous Rod Darkfall Corp 57	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:16:00 - [4632] - Quote KaDa en Bauldry wrote: It's amazing how you imply a combat battleship's purpose is not dps. we already have a missile pirate faction battleship. this one has a half-assed focus on drones. the creative possibilities of having a 400m3 drone bay are being destroyed. As is its torpedo viability. As is its effectiveness of highly useful light and medium drones. In reference to the Rattlesnake: If you passive tank, you're doing it wrong.-á - Kaarous Aldurald https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4650342#post4650342
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 6570	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:19:00 - [4633] - Quote Fabulous Rod wrote: the creative possibilities of having a 400m3 drone bay are being destroyed. As is its torpedo viability. As is its effectiveness of highly useful light and medium drones. If that's the cost of getting the most powerful missile bonus in the game, good. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
Fabulous Rod Darkfall Corp 57	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:20:00 - [4634] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Fabulous Rod wrote: KaDa en Bauldry wrote: Fabulous Rod wrote: I might add that the Rattlesnake isn't capable of doing any more damage with heavy or sentry drones with these changes I might add it does a lot more damage with missiles, and has bonuses to launcher types it didn't have to before. More narrow, dps-centric thinking. Says the person crying about drone dps. says the life-less forum dwelling moron who doesn't even know WTF he is talking about. see my sig. In reference to the Rattlesnake: If you passive tank, you're doing it wrong.-á - Kaarous Aldurald https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4650342#post4650342
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 11742	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:27:00 - [4635] - Quote Fabulous Rod wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Fabulous Rod wrote: KaDa en Bauldry wrote: Fabulous Rod wrote: I might add that the Rattlesnake isn't capable of doing any more damage with heavy or sentry drones with these changes I might add it does a lot more damage with missiles, and has bonuses to launcher types it didn't have to before. More narrow, dps-centric thinking. Says the person crying about drone dps. says the life-less forum dwelling moron who doesn't even know WTF he is talking about. see my sig. He isnt wrong. Passive tanking the ship is a huge waste of slots, you get a lot more when you either active tank or buffer tank. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
KaDa en Bauldry Aliastra Gallente Federation 66	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:27:00 - [4636] - Quote Fabulous Rod wrote: KaDa en Bauldry wrote: It's amazing how you imply a combat battleship's purpose is not dps. we already have a missile pirate faction battleship. this one has a half-assed focus on drones. the creative possibilities of having a 400m3 drone bay are being destroyed. As is its torpedo viability. As is its effectiveness of highly useful light and medium drones. This one has a badass focus on dps that the missile pirate faction battleship cannot rival. It's the best split-weapon system ship in the game, as they don't have a rivaly on the highslots. The old Rattlesnake's torpedo viability is being overtaken by the new Rattlesnake's Cruise missile viability, which you either ignore in your posts, or ridicule as apples to oranges. But to make it clear: The new Rattlesnake does more damage with Cruise missiles than the old one did with Torps, at better ranges, and as such the hull got bonused in this aspect. A 400m3 dronebay would be overkill on such a powerful battleship. Medium drones are not highly useful in their current form. Light drones... Well, I can live with effectiveness lost on light drones. Don't forget about ship insurance before undocking. Don't forget about copy-paste saving before posting.
Fabulous Rod Darkfall Corp 57	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:28:00 - [4637] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Fabulous Rod wrote: the creative possibilities of having a 400m3 drone bay are being destroyed. As is its torpedo viability. As is its effectiveness of highly useful light and medium drones. If that's the cost of getting the most powerful missile bonus in the game, good. wrong again. the golems 100% bonus damage to missiles and has explosion velocity bonuses as well and to all damage types, not just two. Additionally, we already have a missile pirate faction battleship. The focus of Guristas should remain on drones. Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough in this thread, clown? See my sig. In reference to the Rattlesnake: If you passive tank, you're doing it wrong.-á - Kaarous Aldurald https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4650342#post4650342
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 11742	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:35:00 - [4638] - Quote Fabulous Rod wrote: the golems 100% bonus damage to missiles and has explosion velocity bonuses as well and to all damage types, not just two. The Golem has 4 launchers and doesn't get bonused heavy/sentry drones. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
KaDa en Bauldry Aliastra Gallente Federation 66	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:35:00 - [4639] - Quote Fabulous Rod wrote: Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough in this thread, clown? See my sig. When will you stop the clowning around, and post your fit? Don't forget about ship insurance before undocking. Don't forget about copy-paste saving before posting.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 6570	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:36:00 - [4640] - Quote Fabulous Rod wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Fabulous Rod wrote: the creative possibilities of having a 400m3 drone bay are being destroyed. As is its torpedo viability. As is its effectiveness of highly useful light and medium drones. If that's the cost of getting the most powerful missile bonus in the game, good. wrong again. the golems 100% bonus damage to missiles and has explosion velocity bonuses as well and to all damage types, not just two. Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough in this thread, clown? Notably, the Golem's damage bonus applies to 2 weapon systems, not ten. It's also a role bonus. Oh, and those are also several separate bonuses. That should be obvious, even to you. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." Psychotic Monk for CSM9.

Fabulous Rod Darkfall Corp 57	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:37:00 - [4641] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Fabulous Rod wrote: the golems 100% bonus damage to missiles and has explosion velocity bonuses as well and to all damage types, not just two. The Golem has 4 launchers and doesn't get bonused heavy/sentry drones. re-read and try again. We weren't talking about drones. Also heavy and sentry drones are rarely used on a brawler RS. or just see my sig for laughs. In reference to the Rattlesnake: If you passive tank, you're doing it wrong.-á - Kaarous Aldurald https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4650342#post4650342
KaDa en Bauldry Aliastra Gallente Federation 66	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:39:00 - [4642] - Quote Fabulous Rod wrote: baltec1 wrote: Fabulous Rod wrote: the golems 100% bonus damage to missiles and has explosion velocity bonuses as well and to all damage types, not just two. The Golem has 4 launchers and doesn't get bonused heavy/sentry drones. re-read and try again. We weren't talking about drones. or just see my sig for laughs. You were talking about ships. He is right. Don't forget about ship insurance before undocking. Don't forget about copy-paste saving before posting.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 11743	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:39:00 - [4643] - Quote Fabulous Rod wrote: baltec1 wrote: Fabulous Rod wrote: the golems 100% bonus damage to missiles and has explosion velocity bonuses as well and to all damage types, not just two. The Golem has 4 launchers and doesn't get bonused heavy/sentry drones. re-read and try again. We weren't talking about drones. or just see my sig for laughs. We are talking about drones when you are comparing the damage from two different ships when one of those ships gets 50% of its firepower from the drones. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Fabulous Rod Darkfall Corp 57	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:42:00 - [4644] - Quote KaDa en Bauldry wrote: Fabulous Rod wrote: baltec1 wrote: Fabulous Rod wrote: the golems 100% bonus damage to missiles and has explosion velocity bonuses as well and to all damage types, not just two. The Golem has 4 launchers and doesn't get bonused heavy/sentry drones. re-read and try again. We weren't talking about drones. or just see my sig for laughs. You were talking about ships. He is right. no, kaadoofus said that the Rattlesnake had the best missile damage bonus in the game. I proved him wrong. Then baltec quoted me and brought up something irrelevant to the argument, like a moron. In reference to the Rattlesnake: If you passive tank, you're doing it wrong.-á - Kaarous Aldurald https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4650342#post4650342
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 11743	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:43:00 - [4645] - Quote Fabulous Rod wrote: no, kaadoofus said that the Rattlesnake had the best missile damage bonus in the game. I proved him wrong. Then baltec quoted me and brought up something irrelevant to the argument, like a moron. Find us a ship with a better than 10% missile damage bonus per level to every single missile type. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 6570	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:44:00 - [4646] - Quote Fabulous Rod wrote: no, kaadoofus said that the Rattlesnake had the best missile damage bonus in the game. I proved him wrong. Then baltec quoted me and brought up something irrelevant to the argument, like a moron. You misunderstood "best", a subjective term, as "highest", a non subjective term. In short, L2Read. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
KaDa en Bauldry Aliastra Gallente Federation 66	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:48:00 - [4647] - Quote Fabulous Rod wrote: I proved him wrong. So, when are you staring to prove people wrong by showing us your fit? Fabulous Rod wrote: Sentry and heavy drones are rarely used on a RS fit for what it does best, passive shield tanking. So Why would you use a pirate battleship with formerly 125 bandwidth, if not for it's 125mbps bandwidth? But I'm really curious, and waiting for you to show how the fit is where it does what it does best the best. Don't forget about ship insurance before undocking. Don't forget about copy-paste saving before posting.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 11743	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:49:00 - [4648] - Quote Fabulous Rod wrote: how stupid are you? whether its a role bonus or battleship bonus is irrelevant, it amounts to the same thing. The Golems is far superior. Not at killing support ships it isnt. Now as I said, find us a better damage bonus for missiles. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 6570	Posted - 2014.05.29 16:51:00 - [4649] - Quote KaDa en Bauldry wrote: Fabulous Rod wrote: I proved him wrong. So, when are you staring to prove people wrong by showing us your fit? About as soon as he actually proves me wrong, instead of leaping to conclusions based on his functional illiteracy. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
Fabulous Rod Darkfall Corp 57	Posted - 2014.05.29 17:00:00 - [4650] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: KaDa en Bauldry wrote: Fabulous Rod wrote: I proved him wrong. So, when are you staring to prove people wrong by showing us your fit? About as soon as he actually proves me wrong, instead of leaping to conclusions based on his functional illiteracy. see my sig. You are clearly an idiot. Does anyone here take that kid seriously? In reference to the Rattlesnake: If you passive tank, you're doing it wrong.-á - Kaarous Aldurald https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4650342#post4650342



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