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Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5167	Posted - 2014.04.21 04:06:00 - [1141] - Quote Tempban Darkfall wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Tempban was apparently happy with Guristas ships being relegated to being a shield version of Gallente ships. Another stupid assumption on your part. Of course Guristas needs some buffs to bring them in line but they don't need to be drastically altered to do that. How ******* stupid are you, really? First of all, at least attempt to be civil. Secondly, they really weren't "drastically altered". They got missile damage buffs, and some restrictions on drone use but no overall dps loss. So now, instead of being worse at drones than Gallente but with better tank, now they have specialized drone usage (survivability being huge now), as well as fully bonused missiles. That is a net gain, and a pretty big one too. But if having light drones is the dealbreaker for you guys, go fly a Domi or something. Because Guristas has a new paradigm besides "Gallente shield boat" now. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Doggy Dogwoofwoof Elysian. Heiian Conglomerate 19	Posted - 2014.04.21 04:12:00 - [1142] - Quote Tempban Darkfall wrote: Doggy Dogwoofwoof wrote: Tempban Darkfall wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: If bonused vs. unbonused light drones make or break how you use the Rattlesnake, you were doing it wrong. Such a stupid and ignorant thing to say. One of the main reasons people picked a rattlesnake was for its bonus to all its drones. You don't go drastically altering ships that people take years to fully train for. This has nothing to do with balance. If it was then only the snakes hard points would need to change. This is just some an incompetent and totally unnecessary attempt to make Guristas different from Gallente in their use of drones. If you weren't a total moron you would know that the devs reasons for these changes is to prevent overlap with Gallente. This overlap argument is a very weak argument considering the only commonality between Gallente and Guristas is their use of drones. Unbelievable that CCP Rise only reluctantly gave back the use of sentry drones. I guess some callous assholes don't want to admit their ideas suck and us players are going to be stuck with their bumbling attempts at balance. Of course the Mega wouldn't be changed drastically because there would be a shitstorm but somehow its okay for these ******* devs to drastically alter other pirate faction battleships. No, The reason people used Rattlesnakes were because they are cheap, and are easy to passive tank with sentrys. No one really used them in PVP, and only people who just loved the hull or were very lazy used them for PVE. The were used for sentrys. No one went OH FRIGS I NEED A RATTLESNAKE. You need to stop trolling, Give a real proposal for stats, Use facts for arguments. These drastic changes are totally unnecessary. All the Snake needs to come in-line is more high/mid/low slots. That is fact. People don't just use Rattlesnakes because they are cheap and easy with sentries. That is only your narrow-minded perspective. The great strength of Guristas was its versatility, which is now being destroyed with these changes. It has 6 lows 7 mids and 6 highs. Do you want it to have 8 lows,8 Mids? Giving it more slots will make it tankier, which the rattlesnake does not need a buff in. So that leaves buffing the missiles or drones, And making it a true Pirate battleship. CCP buffed Sentrys, The most used drone on the snake, HP, and buffed heavy drones HP, AND gave it a missile buff. The loss of bonused light drones is mostly irrelivent. Also, They still get buffed by the drone damage amplifiers that you will have fit, so again, How does it lose more than it gains?
Arthur Aihaken Perkone Caldari State 3351	Posted - 2014.04.21 04:18:00 - [1143] - Quote Entirely missile-based Pirate Battleship: TAKE MY MONEY! (PLESK) Enough of this drone crap... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Tempban Darkfall Darkfall Corp 23	Posted - 2014.04.21 04:24:00 - [1144] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Tempban Darkfall wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Tempban was apparently happy with Guristas ships being relegated to being a shield version of Gallente ships. Another stupid assumption on your part. Of course Guristas needs some buffs to bring them in line but they don't need to be drastically altered to do that. How ******* stupid are you, really? they really weren't "drastically altered". . What do you think we are all complaining about, idiot? a 400m3 drone bay went down to 175m3. Removal of missile velocity bonus. Changing of Role bonus AND Gallente Bonus. Loss of bonuses for light and medium drones. Do you see any other pirate faction battleships with bigger changes? Nevermind the fact that they are totally unneccesary. Also, 5 drones is better than 2 in every scenario. Don't be such a moron.
Doggy Dogwoofwoof Elysian. Heiian Conglomerate 19	Posted - 2014.04.21 04:32:00 - [1145] - Quote Tempban Darkfall wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Tempban Darkfall wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Tempban was apparently happy with Guristas ships being relegated to being a shield version of Gallente ships. Another stupid assumption on your part. Of course Guristas needs some buffs to bring them in line but they don't need to be drastically altered to do that. How ******* stupid are you, really? they really weren't "drastically altered". . What do you think we are all complaining about, idiot? a 400m3 drone bay went down to 175m3. Removal of missile velocity bonus. Changing of Role bonus AND Gallente Bonus. Loss of bonuses for light and medium drones. Do you see any other pirate faction battleships with bigger changes? Nevermind the fact that they are totally unneccesary. Also, 5 drones is better than 2 in every scenario. Don't be such a moron. How about we do some math. A Sentry drone is 25m/3 With the old Drone bay, You could hold 16 sentry drones if you wanted to. With the new drone bonus, You can only have 7. However, Each of those 7 is worth 2.5 drones, which means it holds 17.5 Sentry drones. So the Effective size of the drone bay In fact got BIGGER, Not smaller. The gallente bonus got rolled into the hull bonus, so it IS still their for the large drones. The velocity bonus Is annoying if you torp fit your Snake, But most fits had cruiser launchers. The missile Bonus atleast makes some sense when you remeber Gallente have Roden Shipyards, Who are good with missiles. Now, Lets say i have to micromanage my drones do to agro, It is easier to manage 2 than 5. Those 2 then get a HP bonus and a damage bonus,making them even to 5 and Giving you even more time to manage them. So their is atleast one scenario that 2 drones are better than 5
Tempban Darkfall Darkfall Corp 23	Posted - 2014.04.21 04:36:00 - [1146] - Quote Doggy Dogwoofwoof wrote: Tempban Darkfall wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Tempban Darkfall wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Tempban was apparently happy with Guristas ships being relegated to being a shield version of Gallente ships. Another stupid assumption on your part. Of course Guristas needs some buffs to bring them in line but they don't need to be drastically altered to do that. How ******* stupid are you, really? they really weren't "drastically altered". . What do you think we are all complaining about, idiot? a 400m3 drone bay went down to 175m3. Removal of missile velocity bonus. Changing of Role bonus AND Gallente Bonus. Loss of bonuses for light and medium drones. Do you see any other pirate faction battleships with bigger changes? Nevermind the fact that they are totally unneccesary. Also, 5 drones is better than 2 in every scenario. Don't be such a moron. How about we do some math. A Sentry drone is 25m/3 With the old Drone bay, You could hold 16 sentry drones if you wanted to. With the new drone bonus, You can only have 7. However, Each of those 7 is worth 2.5 drones, which means it holds 17.5 Sentry drones. So the Effective size of the drone bay In fact got BIGGER, Not smaller. Who fills their drone bays with only sentry drones that have no tacking bonuses? Don't be such a moron.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5168	Posted - 2014.04.21 04:38:00 - [1147] - Quote Tempban Darkfall wrote: What do you think we are all complaining about, idiot? a 400m3 drone bay went down to 175m3. Removal of missile velocity bonus. Changing of Role bonus AND Gallente Bonus. Loss of bonuses for light and medium drones. Do you see any other pirate faction battleships with bigger changes? Never mind the fact that they are totally unnecessary. 5 drones is better than 2 in every scenario. The 400m3 bay went down to 175m3 because your dronebay needs for DPS drones went down by 60%. Math is hard. 2 drones dealing the same dps as 5 drones and having the same HP as 5 drones is better in almost every possible way but one. That being if someone webs one of your drones. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Doggy Dogwoofwoof Elysian. Heiian Conglomerate 19	Posted - 2014.04.21 04:39:00 - [1148] - Quote Tempban Darkfall wrote: Doggy Dogwoofwoof wrote: Tempban Darkfall wrote: What do you think we are all complaining about, idiot? a 400m3 drone bay went down to 175m3. Removal of missile velocity bonus. Changing of Role bonus AND Gallente Bonus. Loss of bonuses for light and medium drones. Do you see any other pirate faction battleships with bigger changes? Nevermind the fact that they are totally unneccesary. Also, 5 drones is better than 2 in every scenario. Don't be such a moron. How about we do some math. A Sentry drone is 25m/3 With the old Drone bay, You could hold 16 sentry drones if you wanted to. With the new drone bonus, You can only have 7. However, Each of those 7 is worth 2.5 drones, which means it holds 17.5 Sentry drones. So the Effective size of the drone bay In fact got BIGGER, Not smaller. Who fills their drone bays with only sentry drones that have no tacking bonuses? Don't be such a moron. We are comparing effective sizes, And i just proved it is effectively Bigger. You can pretend it had Heavy drones and is torp fit instead, If you want to.
Tempban Darkfall Darkfall Corp 23	Posted - 2014.04.21 04:43:00 - [1149] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: 2 drones dealing the same dps as 5 drones and having the same HP as 5 drones is better in almost every possible way but one. That being if someone webs one of your drones. You clearly don't understand how drones combat actually plays out. Everytime you have to pull a drone back or one gets webbed, that is 50% of your drone DPS. The loss of 50% increased drone damage and hit points on medium and light drones makes this a nerf to drones for the Rattlesnake. The extra survivability of a single heavy or sentry drone does not make up for this great loss. Don't be a moron.
Doggy Dogwoofwoof Elysian. Heiian Conglomerate 19	Posted - 2014.04.21 04:45:00 - [1150] - Quote Tempban Darkfall wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: 2 drones dealing the same dps as 5 drones and having the same HP as 5 drones is better in almost every possible way but one. That being if someone webs one of your drones. You clearly don't understand how drones combat actually plays out. Everytime you have to pull a drone back or one gets webbed, that is 50% of your drone DPS. The loss of 50% increased drone damage and hit points on medium and light drones makes this a nerf to drones for the Rattlesnake. The extra survivability of a single heavy or sentry drone does not make up for this great loss. Don't be a moron. They can be left on field for much longer, And i bet that on average the damage loss for both is just about even.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 11236	Posted - 2014.04.21 04:46:00 - [1151] - Quote Tempban Darkfall wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Tempban Darkfall wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Tempban was apparently happy with Guristas ships being relegated to being a shield version of Gallente ships. Another stupid assumption on your part. Of course Guristas needs some buffs to bring them in line but they don't need to be drastically altered to do that. How ***** stupid are you, really? they really weren't "drastically altered". . What do you think we are all complaining about, idiot? a 400m3 drone bay went down to 175m3. Removal of missile velocity bonus. Changing of Role bonus AND Gallente Bonus. Loss of bonuses for light and medium drones. Do you see any other pirate faction battleships with bigger changes? Never mind the fact that they are totally unnecessary. 5 drones is better than 2 in every scenario. Two flights of sentries used to take up 250m3 of that 400m3, now it is just 100m3. The sentries/heavies are now massivly tanked than before so two of these drones beat 5 very easy to kill normal sentries/heavies. The reason why the other pirate battleships didnt see much change is because they did not need as much help. The new missile bonus applies to all types of launchers giving the rattle a huge amount of options that no other battleship has. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship**
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5168	Posted - 2014.04.21 04:50:00 - [1152] - Quote Tempban Darkfall wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: 2 drones dealing the same dps as 5 drones and having the same HP as 5 drones is better in almost every possible way but one. That being if someone webs one of your drones. You clearly don't understand how drones combat actually plays out. Now every time you have to pull a drone back or one gets webbed, that is 50% of your drone DPS vs a 20% loss with 5 drones. 5 drones is always better than 2. Additionally, the loss of 50% increased drone damage and hit points on medium and light drones makes this a big nerf to drones for the Rattlesnake. The unneeded extra survivability of a single heavy or sentry drone does not make up for this great loss. Don't be a moron. The enormously increased hitpoints means you have to pull them back much, much less often. Nevermind that you now have nearly double the effective launcher DPS. Which in turn results in the overall ratio balancing out, in fact improving in favor the new Rattler. 2 drones > 5 drones. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Sgt Ocker Last Bastion of Freedom 169	Posted - 2014.04.21 04:50:00 - [1153] - Quote Doggy Dogwoofwoof wrote: Tempban Darkfall wrote: Doggy Dogwoofwoof wrote: Tempban Darkfall wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: If bonused vs. unbonused light drones make or break how you use the Rattlesnake, you were doing it wrong. Such a stupid and ignorant thing to say. One of the main reasons people picked a rattlesnake was for its bonus to all its drones. You don't go drastically altering ships that people take years to fully train for. This has nothing to do with balance. If it was then only the snakes hard points would need to change. This is just some an incompetent and totally unnecessary attempt to make Guristas different from Gallente in their use of drones. If you weren't a total moron you would know that the devs reasons for these changes is to prevent overlap with Gallente. This overlap argument is a very weak argument considering the only commonality between Gallente and Guristas is their use of drones. Unbelievable that CCP Rise only reluctantly gave back the use of sentry drones. I guess some callous assholes don't want to admit their ideas suck and us players are going to be stuck with their bumbling attempts at balance. Of course the Mega wouldn't be changed drastically because there would be a shitstorm but somehow its okay for these ******* devs to drastically alter other pirate faction battleships. No, The reason people used Rattlesnakes were because they are cheap, and are easy to passive tank with sentrys. No one really used them in PVP, and only people who just loved the hull or were very lazy used them for PVE. The were used for sentrys. No one went OH FRIGS I NEED A RATTLESNAKE. You need to stop trolling, Give a real proposal for stats, Use facts for arguments. These drastic changes are totally unnecessary. All the Snake needs to come in-line is more high/mid/low slots. That is fact. People don't just use Rattlesnakes because they are cheap and easy with sentries. That is only your narrow-minded perspective. The great strength of Guristas was its versatility, which is now being destroyed with these changes. It has 6 lows 7 mids and 6 highs. Do you want it to have 8 lows,8 Mids? Giving it more slots will make it tankier, which the rattlesnake does not need a buff in. So that leaves buffing the missiles or drones, And making it a true Pirate battleship. CCP buffed Sentrys, The most used drone on the snake, HP, and buffed heavy drones HP, AND gave it a missile buff. It still can carry 2 flights of heavy/sentry drones and 3 flights of lights, so Drone capacity isnt the issue. The loss of bonused light drones is a nonissue because you will have DDAs fit for the sentrys. So, How does it lose more than it gains? Give me Actual Things that the snake will do worse than it currently does. Losing light drone bonus - Not so irrelevant if you actually want to fit and use the Snake as a Drone boat. Regardless of how many DDA's you fit - light drones (much used on the Snake by many) will have 50% less Dps than they do now. As a missile platform, the Snake has gained a lot. It is no longer primarily a "Drone Boat" . 1 or maybe 2 DDA's + 3 BCU's for the missiles. Drones will be the secondary weapon, on what has been up til now, a Drone boat. Pretty drastic change but not entirely negative - If you prefer missiles over drones.
Tempban Darkfall Darkfall Corp 23	Posted - 2014.04.21 04:51:00 - [1154] - Quote Doggy Dogwoofwoof wrote: Tempban Darkfall wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: 2 drones dealing the same dps as 5 drones and having the same HP as 5 drones is better in almost every possible way but one. That being if someone webs one of your drones. You clearly don't understand how drones combat actually plays out. Everytime you have to pull a drone back or one gets webbed, that is 50% of your drone DPS. The loss of 50% increased drone damage and hit points on medium and light drones makes this a nerf to drones for the Rattlesnake. The extra survivability of a single heavy or sentry drone does not make up for this great loss. Don't be a moron. They can be left on field for much longer, And i bet that on average the damage loss for both is just about even. No, it just makes them less squishy when they do get targetted. how are you so dumb to not understand that when you have 2 drones and have to pull one back, that is 50% of your drone dps? When you have 5 drones and you have to pull one back, that is only 20% of your drone DPS. 5 drones is always better than 2.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5168	Posted - 2014.04.21 04:53:00 - [1155] - Quote Tempban Darkfall wrote: No, it just makes them less squishy when they do get targetted. how are you so dumb to not understand that when you have 2 drones and have to pull one back, that is 50% of your drone dps? When you have 5 drones and you have to pull one back, that is only 20% of your drone DPS. 5 drones is always better than 2. My God you're dense. If they have so very much more hitpoints, they can remain on the field for longer. They are also far less likely to be destroyed. Between that and the extra missile dps the Rattlesnake loses nothing. 2 drones > 5 drones. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Doggy Dogwoofwoof Elysian. Heiian Conglomerate 19	Posted - 2014.04.21 04:56:00 - [1156] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: Losing light drone bonus - Not so irrelevant if you actually want to fit and use the Snake as a Drone boat. Regardless of how many DDA's you fit - light drones (much used on the Snake by many) will have 50% less Dps than they do now. As a missile platform, the Snake has gained a lot. It is no longer primarily a "Drone Boat" . 1 or maybe 2 DDA's + 3 BCU's for the missiles. Drones will be the secondary weapon, on what has been up til now, a Drone boat. Pretty drastic change but not entirely negative - If you prefer missiles over drones. Wrong about the Light DPS, they lose a 50% bonus. Which means they have 33% less DPS. Also,Sentrys have MORE dps than missiles with both having 3 Damage mods.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 11237	Posted - 2014.04.21 04:58:00 - [1157] - Quote Tempban Darkfall wrote: Doggy Dogwoofwoof wrote: Tempban Darkfall wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: 2 drones dealing the same dps as 5 drones and having the same HP as 5 drones is better in almost every possible way but one. That being if someone webs one of your drones. You clearly don't understand how drones combat actually plays out. Everytime you have to pull a drone back or one gets webbed, that is 50% of your drone DPS. The loss of 50% increased drone damage and hit points on medium and light drones makes this a nerf to drones for the Rattlesnake. The extra survivability of a single heavy or sentry drone does not make up for this great loss. Don't be a moron. They can be left on field for much longer, And i bet that on average the damage loss for both is just about even. No, it just makes them less squishy when they do get targeted. how are you so dumb to not understand that when you have 2 drones and have to pull one back, that is 50% of your drone dps? When you have 5 drones and you have to pull one back, that is only 20% of your drone DPS. 5 drones is always better than 2. These changes are big nerfs to the Rattlesnakes versatility no matter how you look at it. Overlap my ass. When you get under the guns on any turret BS you lose 100% of that damage. So the rattle is still ahead because it has the other drone plus its bonused missiles. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Tempban Darkfall Darkfall Corp 23	Posted - 2014.04.21 04:59:00 - [1158] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Tempban Darkfall wrote: No, it just makes them less squishy when they do get targetted. how are you so dumb to not understand that when you have 2 drones and have to pull one back, that is 50% of your drone dps? When you have 5 drones and you have to pull one back, that is only 20% of your drone DPS. 5 drones is always better than 2. My God you're dense. If they have so very much more hitpoints, they can remain on the field for longer. They are also far less likely to be destroyed. Between that and the extra missile dps the Rattlesnake loses nothing. 2 drones > 5 drones. no, you are clearly a moron. if you only have 2 drones and you have to pull one back or one gets webbed, that is 50% of your dps. Nobody leaves their heavy drones out when they start to get targeted, these changes only give them a better chance at getting back to the ship before being destroyed. Don't be a moron. 5 drones is always better than 2. loss of 50% damage and survivability on light and medium drones and massive reduction in drone bay does not make up for increases survivability of heavy drones and sentries.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5169	Posted - 2014.04.21 05:02:00 - [1159] - Quote Tempban Darkfall wrote: no, you are clearly a moron. if you only have 2 drones and you have to pull one back or one gets webbed, that is 50% of your dps. It's 50% of your dps much less often than before. Because they have so much resiliency now. Hell, depending on how well they can even hit something that size, you may not have to pull it back at all, just let it tank for you and throw out another one, since you can afford to keep plenty of them in your cargohold. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Aralieus The Inf1dels Spaceship Samurai 212	Posted - 2014.04.21 05:08:00 - [1160] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Perhaps you guys misunderstood my statement. Sgt Ocker said: "It has completely changed the way the ship can be played" How? You lost bonused light and medium drones. Is there anyone here who buys a faction battleship to use light drones? crickets So can anyone please tell me how using unbonused light drones to scrape frigate rats off of you (like damn near every other battleship) "completely changes the way the ship can be played"? It can fit 100m3 worth of heavy/sentry drones, and 3 full flights of light sized drones, so I know the dronebay loss can't be it. So seriously, can someone tell me what the big freaking deal is? There isnt one for the most part. Some people dont handle change very well, even if said change is for their own good. Oderint Dum Metuant
Tempban Darkfall Darkfall Corp 23	Posted - 2014.04.21 05:17:00 - [1161] - Quote Aralieus wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Perhaps you guys misunderstood my statement. Sgt Ocker said: "It has completely changed the way the ship can be played" How? You lost bonused light and medium drones. Is there anyone here who buys a faction battleship to use light drones? crickets So can anyone please tell me how using unbonused light drones to scrape frigate rats off of you (like damn near every other battleship) "completely changes the way the ship can be played"? It can fit 100m3 worth of heavy/sentry drones, and 3 full flights of light sized drones, so I know the dronebay loss can't be it. So seriously, can someone tell me what the big freaking deal is? There isnt one for the most part. Some people dont handle change very well, even if said change is for their own good. please explain to use how losing 50% damage bonus on light drones and medium drones is a good thing. In most missions and many pvp scenarios, the frigates need to die first. The faster that happens, the greater survivability of the ship. The extra survivability of a mere component, the heavy and sentry drones does not make up for this great loss of power and survivability of the ship. Of course nobody chooses a battleship to combat only frigates. We are talking about a loss of versatility here, idiots.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5170	Posted - 2014.04.21 05:21:00 - [1162] - Quote Tempban Darkfall wrote: please explain to use how losing 50% damage bonus on light drones and medium drones is a good thing. Because you get +3.5 launchers in trade for it. Quote: Of course nobody chooses a battleship to combat only frigates. We are talking about a loss of versatility here, idiots. I'm being 100% serious here. Why on earth do you care? Nearly every other battleship does just fine with unbonused lights AND no DDAs in the lowslots. My Paladin does just fine, the Golem does just fine, the Machariel does just fine. The Rattlesnake will do just fine. Except it will also do just fine with 7.5 effective launchers now. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Doggy Dogwoofwoof Elysian. Heiian Conglomerate 19	Posted - 2014.04.21 05:22:00 - [1163] - Quote Tempban Darkfall wrote: Aralieus wrote: There isnt one for the most part. Some people dont handle change very well, even if said change is for their own good. please explain to use how losing 50% damage bonus on light drones and medium drones is a good thing. In most missions and many pvp scenarios, the frigates need to die first. The faster that happens, the greater survivability of the ship. The extra survivability of heavy and sentry drones does not make up for this great loss of power and survivability of the ship. Of course nobody chooses a battleship to combat only frigates. We are talking about a loss of versatility here, idiots. Sentrys at range kill frigs faster than Lights, and the lights only lost 1/3rd of their current DPS, not half
Tempban Darkfall Darkfall Corp 23	Posted - 2014.04.21 05:25:00 - [1164] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: [quote=Tempban Darkfall] please explain to use how losing 50% damage bonus on light drones and medium drones is a good thing. Because you get +3.5 launchers in trade for it. Quote: Why on earth do you care? We trained for the Rattlesnake because we like what it does. Don't be an idiot. Many people realize how important it is for frigates to die quickly even if you can't seem to grasp the concept. You can't kill frigates quickly with unbonused light drones and cruise missiles in case you didn't know.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5170	Posted - 2014.04.21 05:27:00 - [1165] - Quote Tempban Darkfall wrote: Many people realize how important it is for frigates to die quickly even if you can't seem to grasp the concept. You can't kill frigates quickly with unbonused light drones and cruise missiles in case you didn't know. Well, then I guess no one uses the Golem/Raven/Navy Scorp for missioning or any other kind of PvE, then. Poor Caldari, unable to do PvE content... sniffle "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 11238	Posted - 2014.04.21 05:29:00 - [1166] - Quote Tempban Darkfall wrote: please explain to use how losing 50% damage bonus on light drones and medium drones is a good thing. You arn't losing 50% damage on the light drones. Tempban Darkfall wrote: In most missions and many pvp scenarios, the frigates need to die first. The faster that happens, the greater survivability of the ship. The frigates get ignored in most missions when blitzing and in pvp there are a lot of other ships that need killed more than a frigate. Tempban Darkfall wrote: The extra survivability of a mere component, the heavy and sentry drones does not make up for this great loss of power and survivability of the ship. Of course nobody chooses a battleship to combat only frigates. We are talking about a loss of versatility here, idiots. The ship is getting a bonus to all types of missiles, its more adaptable then before and the drone changes means they can now justify a logi repping them. The new rattle is a lot more versatile than the old one which is seen as the worst of the pirate BS and less useful than most t1 hulls. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Tempban Darkfall Darkfall Corp 23	Posted - 2014.04.21 05:32:00 - [1167] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Tempban Darkfall wrote: Many people realize how important it is for frigates to die quickly even if you can't seem to grasp the concept. You can't kill frigates quickly with unbonused light drones and cruise missiles in case you didn't know. Well, then I guess no one uses the Golem/Raven/Navy Scorp for missioning or any other kind of PvE, then. Poor Caldari, unable to do PvE content... sniffle Such a moronic counter argument. You still don't seem to comprehend that we picked Rattlesnake for a reason. Don't be such a blithering idiot. Just admit you are wrong and GTFO.
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1120	Posted - 2014.04.21 05:33:00 - [1168] - Quote baltec1 wrote: The ship is getting a bonus to all types of missiles, its more adaptable then before and the drone changes means they can now justify a logi repping them. The new rattle is a lot more versatile than the old one which is seen as the worst of the pirate BS and less useful than most t1 hulls. The ironic thing here is if CCP does actually create a true missile pirate faction we'll be right back here at the same spot with the RS being the worst of the pirate hull due to lack of focus.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5170	Posted - 2014.04.21 05:34:00 - [1169] - Quote Tempban Darkfall wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Tempban Darkfall wrote: Many people realize how important it is for frigates to die quickly even if you can't seem to grasp the concept. You can't kill frigates quickly with unbonused light drones and cruise missiles in case you didn't know. Well, then I guess no one uses the Golem/Raven/Navy Scorp for missioning or any other kind of PvE, then. Poor Caldari, unable to do PvE content... sniffle such a moronic counter argument. Don't be such a blithering idiot. Just admit you are wrong and GTFO. Lol no. I think not. How about you just accept that the Rattlesnake is not a pure droneboat anymore, and GTFO yourself? And besides that, I still honestly cannot believe you told me that Caldari ships can't do PvE content. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 11238	Posted - 2014.04.21 05:36:00 - [1170] - Quote Tempban Darkfall wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Tempban Darkfall wrote: Many people realize how important it is for frigates to die quickly even if you can't seem to grasp the concept. You can't kill frigates quickly with unbonused light drones and cruise missiles in case you didn't know. Well, then I guess no one uses the Golem/Raven/Navy Scorp for missioning or any other kind of PvE, then. Poor Caldari, unable to do PvE content... sniffle Such a moronic counter argument. You still don't seem to comprehend that we picked Rattlesnake for a reason. Don't be such a blithering idiot. Just admit you are wrong and GTFO. You said cruise missiles and unbonused drones cannot kill frigates quickly, yet all of these ships do just that. Its an entirely valid point. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship

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