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KaDa en Bauldry
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.04.21 08:53:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:I am not sure of the point you are making, are you saying that we are imagining there was a bonus currently? Or are you saying we have underestimated how much we are losing? Or is there a finer point we are not understanding? baltec1 is trolling you with how your drones are not losing 50% of their damage, and you disagree.
And he is right, you are wrong Don't forget about ship insurance before undocking. Don't forget about copy-paste saving before posting. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
730
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Posted - 2014.04.21 08:56:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:
Losing light drone bonus - Not so irrelevant if you actually want to fit and use the Snake as a Drone boat. Regardless of how many DDA's you fit - light drones (much used on the Snake by many) will have 50% less Dps than they do now.
As a missile platform, the Snake has gained a lot. It is no longer primarily a "Drone Boat" . 1 or maybe 2 DDA's + 3 BCU's for the missiles. Drones will be the secondary weapon, on what has been up til now, a Drone boat. Pretty drastic change but not entirely negative - If you prefer missiles over drones.
At the risk of the trolls saying the only thing I am worried about is light drones ( yet again) the loss of hitpoints to those light drones is even more of an issue with the drone aggression mechanic. They Will die far more often between being locked and getting back to the bay. How is This different from 95% of all other ships that can use light drones? All of those ships do just fine.
You are aware that when you launch your light drones you have to recall your sentries aren't you. And on your raven/ hyperion/or whatever you do not have to shutdown your turrets to launch your lights?
Let me know how you would like losing over half of your guns to be able to do that.
But we have discussed this before, many people pointed that out, are you hoping that most of them are in bed to try to slip that through again.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Cassandra Aurilien
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
56
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Posted - 2014.04.21 08:58:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Cassandra Aurilien wrote:Tempban Darkfall wrote:
We picked Rattlesnake for a reason and that includes having 50% bonus on light and medium drones. There is no good reason to change it.
They are changing it for the same reason that they changed the old Geddon. The old Geddon had a role which was largely duplicated by the Apoc. When they got rid of the tiers, they had to find a new role for it. The Rattler currently has the role of less effective, but tankier shield Domi. That's not exactly something to write home about. It needed a role, and it got one. I'm sure that CCP has actually used these things on their test server. (Not the one we get access to...) I don't think that they would decide this is a decent idea without at least trying out a few things. Not that they get things right every time (NESTOR), but I'm sure that they've given it a run through the paces. If balancing had been done properly, there would be no such thing as a shield domi. Gallente are meant to be armour tankers. Ccp should be fixing armour tanking to make it the equal of shield tanking, as it stands now, balance is all over the place, after two years of balancing disguised as expansions.
There have been Gallente shield fits that far predate the balancing. Shield Brutix from the old days? Shield vs armor has always been a choice of tradeoffs. A certain race tending in a certain direction is not the same as "you must fit this with this". Armor fits are often the equal of shield fits, it really depends on your need and the bonuses of the hull.
Shield has always provided more raw power, armor better application. I use more armor fits than shield. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5182
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Posted - 2014.04.21 08:59:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:
You are aware that when you launch your light drones you have to recall your sentries aren't you. And on your raven/ hyperion/or whatever you do not have to shutdown your turrets to launch your lights?
You don't have to with the new Rattlesnake, either. It has a full rack of launchers now. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
730
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:04:00 -
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KaDa en Bauldry wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:I am not sure of the point you are making, are you saying that we are imagining there was a bonus currently? Or are you saying we have underestimated how much we are losing? Or is there a finer point we are not understanding? baltec1 is trolling you with how your drones are not losing 50% of their damage, and you disagree. And he is right, you are wrongKaarous Aldurald wrote:A loss of the 50% hull bonus is NOT a 50% loss across the board of what the end state was when the hull bonus was still there. It's closer to 20%, more than likely less depending on whether your drone skills are decent or not. Confirming that 33.3% is closer to 20% than 50%, drone skills figure in nowhere as far as I understand how they are applied. The only skill that USED to come in game is Gallente Battleship. If you had it at V, you lose 33% drone health and damage. If you had it at IV, you lose 28.6% If you had it at III, you lose 23%, but why were you flying a pirate battleship in the first place.
Actually to be precise it is somewhere in the middle as the stacking bonus is 100% plus 10% plus 10% of 110 plus 10% of 121....... Etc.
Well we are all in agreement he is trolling.
When you are up to your arse in crocodiles, one generally can be forgiven if you are not actually concerned by the exact number of teeth it is ripping into you with.
You just want the same number of teeth to stop making your life a pain.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
730
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:06:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:
You are aware that when you launch your light drones you have to recall your sentries aren't you. And on your raven/ hyperion/or whatever you do not have to shutdown your turrets to launch your lights?
You don't have to with the new Rattlesnake, either. It has a full rack of launchers now.
Do you always stop reading when you reach a bit you like? Others have pointed this out to you you know.
Try reading the whole post sometime.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11244
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:06:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:KaDa en Bauldry wrote:Tempban Darkfall wrote:baltec1 wrote:Do the maths. Its not a 50% reduction in damage and hp. LOL. Look at this loser. He can't even figure out that the Rattlesnake is losing its 50% bonus on light and medium drones. A good example of how stupid you have to be to claim the Rattlesnake is fine. Once again, Losing the 50% bonus on drones is not the same as a reduction of 50% in damage and hp. Ok there is currently a 50% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints as part of the Gallente Battleship skill, With the revisions it is no longer there on Light and medium drones. I know it is actually more as the bonus Is stacking. I am not sure of the point you are making, are you saying that we are imagining there was a bonus currently? Or are you saying we have underestimated how much we are losing? Or is there a finer point we are not understanding?
You and tempban have been saying light drones were getting a 50% damage and hp reduction, this is wrong and we were correcting you. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2081
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:08:00 -
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Still going at it with the hyperbole, strawmen and flat-out silliness, Epicurius?
Baltec isn't trolling you. KaDa en Bauldry isn't trolling you either.
The only one trolling you is yourself. I'm quite serious. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
731
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:09:00 -
[1239] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:KaDa en Bauldry wrote:Tempban Darkfall wrote:baltec1 wrote:Do the maths. Its not a 50% reduction in damage and hp. LOL. Look at this loser. He can't even figure out that the Rattlesnake is losing its 50% bonus on light and medium drones. A good example of how stupid you have to be to claim the Rattlesnake is fine. Once again, Losing the 50% bonus on drones is not the same as a reduction of 50% in damage and hp. Ok there is currently a 50% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints as part of the Gallente Battleship skill, With the revisions it is no longer there on Light and medium drones. I know it is actually more as the bonus Is stacking. I am not sure of the point you are making, are you saying that we are imagining there was a bonus currently? Or are you saying we have underestimated how much we are losing? Or is there a finer point we are not understanding?
You and tempban have been saying light drones were getting a 50% damage and hp reduction, this is wrong and we were correcting you.[/quote]
No, that is actually not true, you may have noticed that I put the bonus in the reply and specifically said that was what we were losing, see here it is again.
Gallente Battleship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level And this does not say we are getting a 50% damage and HP reduction, it is quite quite clear what it says.
Quote:Ok there is currently a 50% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints as part of the Gallente Battleship skill, With the revisions it is no longer there on Light and medium drones .
But either way a bad troll is a troll still. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1302
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:10:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:
So are people who role play to have their playstyle disregarded as meaningless and invalid too? Is ridiculing them good sport for you?
Not only did I say no such thing, but I am thoroughly involved with the New Order, so I am all for roleplaying. But it takes a back seat when it conflicts with good game mechanics, and we all know that. CCP defines the lore, not you, not Khamez, not any of us. If a dev says "Gallente gets the missile bonus", then that's good enough for me at this point. He even explained it adequately if you ask me. Quote: What the hell makes Eve better than all the other upcoming PvP shooters out there if not the wide lore and story of EvE?
I really am getting thoroughly disgusted here,
Well, EVE is not a "PvP shooter", firstly. That'd be a big one. Secondly, it has a player driven economy, and I sincerely doubt that whatever it is you're referring to has that. So, are you "pro" or "con" on removing CONCORD because they conflict so harshly with the fourth wall?
I am not a role player but the game world is important to me, it frames my choices with meaning, I am also pro the removal of concord, but I digress. If all we care about is making the stats work to fit the narrow vision of a dev who only has a single role in mind for a particular ship then fine, let's have a free for all on all ship stats.
Shall I start campaigning to have auto cannons on mining barges because it makes sense to me, miners need to defend themselves etc, what about hybrid bonuses on amarr hulls, after all lasers are the worst performing weapon system, let's do it and drain eve of yet more color and intrigue.
Plus eve is not a space shooter.
Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2081
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:13:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Shall I start campaigning to have auto cannons on mining barges because it makes sense to me, miners need to defend themselves etc, what about hybrid bonuses on amarr hulls, after all lasers are the worst performing weapon system, let's do it and drain eve of yet more color and intrigue.
Plus eve is not a space shooter.
In the future, please decorate your posts with fewer strawmen.
They are, after all, quite flammable. |
KaDa en Bauldry
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:13:00 -
[1242] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:
You are aware that when you launch your light drones you have to recall your sentries aren't you. And on your raven/ hyperion/or whatever you do not have to shutdown your turrets to launch your lights?
You don't have to with the new Rattlesnake, either. It has a full rack of launchers now. Problem is, if you try to fit for max damage with both of them, you will be splitting too much your modules.
You have to pick one. On a Rave, you rigor and TP the **** out of missiles, and consider drones secondary.
On the old ratter for argument's sake T1 torps and T1 heavies, heavies did a LOT more damage, and even with T2 rage vs T2 Ogres the drones do twice as much, not to mention apply it better.
Now you have this ship, where things get nuts. The damage of a T1 torp will come close to the damage of a T2 Ogre (selected best damage ammo and drone, both thermal). You can fit 3 rigor rigs, 3 BCUs and 3 DDAs. Add a TP or two for missiles, two Omnis for your sentries, and you have 3-4 slots for tank, that... well, just might work. But it's a tad bit on the crazy side of things, and nuts on the skill training times. Don't forget about ship insurance before undocking. Don't forget about copy-paste saving before posting. |
KaDa en Bauldry
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:15:00 -
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. Don't forget about ship insurance before undocking. Don't forget about copy-paste saving before posting. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11244
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:15:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:baltec1 wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:
Losing light drone bonus - Not so irrelevant if you actually want to fit and use the Snake as a Drone boat. Regardless of how many DDA's you fit - light drones (much used on the Snake by many) will have 50% less Dps than they do now.
As a missile platform, the Snake has gained a lot. It is no longer primarily a "Drone Boat" . 1 or maybe 2 DDA's + 3 BCU's for the missiles. Drones will be the secondary weapon, on what has been up til now, a Drone boat. Pretty drastic change but not entirely negative - If you prefer missiles over drones.
At the risk of the trolls saying the only thing I am worried about is light drones ( yet again) the loss of hitpoints to those light drones is even more of an issue with the drone aggression mechanic. They Will die far more often between being locked and getting back to the bay. How is This different from 95% of all other ships that can use light drones? All of those ships do just fine. You are aware that when you launch your light drones you have to recall your sentries aren't you. And on your raven/ hyperion/or whatever you do not have to shutdown your turrets to launch your lights? Let me know how you would like losing over half of your guns to be able to do that. But we have discussed this before, many people pointed that out, are you hoping that most of them are in bed to try to slip that through again.
I lose ALL of my guns when small ships get under them. Rattle still has its bonused launchers to help its light drones.
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
731
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:16:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:
So are people who role play to have their playstyle disregarded as meaningless and invalid too? Is ridiculing them good sport for you?
Not only did I say no such thing, but I am thoroughly involved with the New Order, so I am all for roleplaying. But it takes a back seat when it conflicts with good game mechanics, and we all know that. CCP defines the lore, not you, not Khamez, not any of us. If a dev says "Gallente gets the missile bonus", then that's good enough for me at this point. He even explained it adequately if you ask me. Quote: What the hell makes Eve better than all the other upcoming PvP shooters out there if not the wide lore and story of EvE?
I really am getting thoroughly disgusted here,
Well, EVE is not a "PvP shooter", firstly. That'd be a big one. Secondly, it has a player driven economy, and I sincerely doubt that whatever it is you're referring to has that. So, are you "pro" or "con" on removing CONCORD because they conflict so harshly with the fourth wall? I am not a role player but the game world is important to me, it frames my choices with meaning, I am also pro the removal of concord, but I digress. If all we care about is making the stats work to fit the narrow vision of a dev who only has a single role in mind for a particular ship then fine, let's have a free for all on all ship stats. Shall I start campaigning to have auto cannons on mining barges because it makes sense to me, miners need to defend themselves etc, what about hybrid bonuses on amarr hulls, after all lasers are the worst performing weapon system, let's do it and drain eve of yet more color and intrigue. Plus eve is not a space shooter.
I respect your choices, and applaud your interest in the lore of the game. It makes it richer and better for the whole eve universe and all players whether they appreciate it or it just slips through subconsciously. It will be a sad day if that goes.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
731
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:18:00 -
[1246] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:baltec1 wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:
Losing light drone bonus - Not so irrelevant if you actually want to fit and use the Snake as a Drone boat. Regardless of how many DDA's you fit - light drones (much used on the Snake by many) will have 50% less Dps than they do now.
As a missile platform, the Snake has gained a lot. It is no longer primarily a "Drone Boat" . 1 or maybe 2 DDA's + 3 BCU's for the missiles. Drones will be the secondary weapon, on what has been up til now, a Drone boat. Pretty drastic change but not entirely negative - If you prefer missiles over drones.
At the risk of the trolls saying the only thing I am worried about is light drones ( yet again) the loss of hitpoints to those light drones is even more of an issue with the drone aggression mechanic. They Will die far more often between being locked and getting back to the bay. How is This different from 95% of all other ships that can use light drones? All of those ships do just fine. You are aware that when you launch your light drones you have to recall your sentries aren't you. And on your raven/ hyperion/or whatever you do not have to shutdown your turrets to launch your lights? Let me know how you would like losing over half of your guns to be able to do that. But we have discussed this before, many people pointed that out, are you hoping that most of them are in bed to try to slip that through again. I lose ALL of my guns when small ships get under them. Rattle still has its bonused launchers to help its light drones. Well HTFU and fly a rattlesnake! Oh you can't now, way to go removing player choice.
The New rattlesnake! Now with 50% more bite! And 50% more suck..... (Disclaimer, your mileage may vary, use of this ship may lead to disappointment and anger.) There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1302
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:20:00 -
[1247] - Quote
Cassandra Aurilien wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Cassandra Aurilien wrote:Tempban Darkfall wrote:
We picked Rattlesnake for a reason and that includes having 50% bonus on light and medium drones. There is no good reason to change it.
They are changing it for the same reason that they changed the old Geddon. The old Geddon had a role which was largely duplicated by the Apoc. When they got rid of the tiers, they had to find a new role for it. The Rattler currently has the role of less effective, but tankier shield Domi. That's not exactly something to write home about. It needed a role, and it got one. I'm sure that CCP has actually used these things on their test server. (Not the one we get access to...) I don't think that they would decide this is a decent idea without at least trying out a few things. Not that they get things right every time (NESTOR), but I'm sure that they've given it a run through the paces. If balancing had been done properly, there would be no such thing as a shield domi. Gallente are meant to be armour tankers. Ccp should be fixing armour tanking to make it the equal of shield tanking, as it stands now, balance is all over the place, after two years of balancing disguised as expansions. There have been Gallente shield fits that far predate the balancing. Shield Brutix from the old days? Shield vs armor has always been a choice of tradeoffs. A certain race tending in a certain direction is not the same as "you must fit this with this". Armor fits are often the equal of shield fits, it really depends on your need and the bonuses of the hull. Shield has always provided more raw power, armor better application. I use more armor fits than shield.
Where I fly you are an exception I've only seen 1 confirmed armour tank on a vexor in the last month, domis are nearly always shield tanks though battleships are rare where I pvp. As I understand it shield is dominant in the meta at the moment, I hope that changes though. I will be more than happy to admit I am wrong though if I am mistaken.
Respect 07
Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11244
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:21:00 -
[1248] - Quote
KaDa en Bauldry wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:
You are aware that when you launch your light drones you have to recall your sentries aren't you. And on your raven/ hyperion/or whatever you do not have to shutdown your turrets to launch your lights?
You don't have to with the new Rattlesnake, either. It has a full rack of launchers now. Problem is, if you try to fit for max damage with both of them, you will be splitting too much your modules. You have to pick one. On a Rave, you rigor and TP the **** out of missiles, and consider drones secondary. On the old ratter for argument's sake T1 torps and T1 heavies, heavies did a LOT more damage, and even with T2 rage vs T2 Ogres the drones do twice as much, not to mention apply it better. Now you have this ship, where things get nuts. The damage of a T1 torp will come close to the damage of a T2 Ogre (selected best damage ammo and drone, both thermal). You can fit 3 rigor rigs, 3 BCUs and 3 DDAs. Add a TP or two for missiles, two Omnis for your sentries, and you have 3-4 slots for tank, that... well, just might work. But it's a tad bit on the crazy side of things, and nuts on the skill training times.
Training times are never taken into account and with good reason. With the resist bonus you can get away quite happily with a 4 slot tank. With the drone buffs you also wont be fitting drone mods in the same way too.
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Stein Backstabber
The Forgotten Wanderers
30
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:22:00 -
[1249] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:
You are aware that when you launch your light drones you have to recall your sentries aren't you. And on your raven/ hyperion/or whatever you do not have to shutdown your turrets to launch your lights?
You don't have to with the new Rattlesnake, either. It has a full rack of launchers now.
I know, right
You know, I lose ~20% of my Machariel DPS when I bring the lights out instead of bouncers.
It's a travesty, wont someone think of the poor Machariel, /sniff
@KaDa en Bauldry: There were a small number of players who ran with the current rattlesnake like that for PvE. Active tanked, full rack of damage mods in the lows. My friend would reach (5% implants) 12xx DPS with two omnis, 2 PWNAGES, 3 rigor rigs and still had a massive tank. Very engaging boat to play, I'm told, she had to concentrate on what was firing where and at what but the effectiveness, well...I can't dispute that. Wasnt the best when travel was involved but we used different ships in those cases, the rattler was a perfect beast to just drop in and obliterate everything in lock range.
That was before they almost doubled the missile DPS in this iteration |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11245
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:24:00 -
[1250] - Quote
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Cassandra Aurilien wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Cassandra Aurilien wrote:Tempban Darkfall wrote:
We picked Rattlesnake for a reason and that includes having 50% bonus on light and medium drones. There is no good reason to change it.
They are changing it for the same reason that they changed the old Geddon. The old Geddon had a role which was largely duplicated by the Apoc. When they got rid of the tiers, they had to find a new role for it. The Rattler currently has the role of less effective, but tankier shield Domi. That's not exactly something to write home about. It needed a role, and it got one. I'm sure that CCP has actually used these things on their test server. (Not the one we get access to...) I don't think that they would decide this is a decent idea without at least trying out a few things. Not that they get things right every time (NESTOR), but I'm sure that they've given it a run through the paces. If balancing had been done properly, there would be no such thing as a shield domi. Gallente are meant to be armour tankers. Ccp should be fixing armour tanking to make it the equal of shield tanking, as it stands now, balance is all over the place, after two years of balancing disguised as expansions. There have been Gallente shield fits that far predate the balancing. Shield Brutix from the old days? Shield vs armor has always been a choice of tradeoffs. A certain race tending in a certain direction is not the same as "you must fit this with this". Armor fits are often the equal of shield fits, it really depends on your need and the bonuses of the hull. Shield has always provided more raw power, armor better application. I use more armor fits than shield. Where I fly you are an exception I've only seen 1 confirmed armour tank on a vexor in the last month, domis are nearly always shield tanks though battleships are rare where I pvp. As I understand it shield is dominant in the meta at the moment, I hope that changes though. I will be more than happy to admit I am wrong though if I am mistaken. Respect 07
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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1302
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:26:00 -
[1251] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Shall I start campaigning to have auto cannons on mining barges because it makes sense to me, miners need to defend themselves etc, what about hybrid bonuses on amarr hulls, after all lasers are the worst performing weapon system, let's do it and drain eve of yet more color and intrigue.
Plus eve is not a space shooter.
In the future, please decorate your posts with fewer strawmen.They are, after all, quite flammable.
I'm disappointed in you a Alvatore, it's not a strawman to suggest that racial bonuses have racial flavour, after all this is a game in which you get to create a character in an imaginary yet consistent world and pick a race... Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
KaDa en Bauldry
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:26:00 -
[1252] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Training times are never taken into account and with good reason. With the resist bonus you can get away quite happily with a 4 slot tank. With the drone buffs you also wont be fitting drone mods in the same way too. Skills: aye.
4 slot tank : that's what I'm already, only with the rigs being CCC so I don't drink cap boosters like a drunk sailor on shore leave. So I have a pretty good estimate how doable it is, with the new dps taken into consideration.
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
733
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:29:00 -
[1253] - Quote
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Shall I start campaigning to have auto cannons on mining barges because it makes sense to me, miners need to defend themselves etc, what about hybrid bonuses on amarr hulls, after all lasers are the worst performing weapon system, let's do it and drain eve of yet more color and intrigue.
Plus eve is not a space shooter.
In the future, please decorate your posts with fewer strawmen.They are, after all, quite flammable. I'm disappointed in you a Alvatore, it's not a strawman to suggest that racial bonuses have racial flavour, after all this is a game in which you get to create a character in an imaginary yet consistent world and pick a race...
Particularly when he spends such effort to make his character look like a young Oliver Cromwell.
Edit:- not sure about the sunglasses though, maybe bringing the philosophy and image up to date? There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11245
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:31:00 -
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KaDa en Bauldry wrote:baltec1 wrote:Training times are never taken into account and with good reason. With the resist bonus you can get away quite happily with a 4 slot tank. With the drone buffs you also wont be fitting drone mods in the same way too. Skills: aye. 4 slot tank : that's what I'm already, only with the rigs being CCC so I don't drink cap boosters like a drunk sailor on shore leave. So I have a pretty good estimate how doable it is, with the new dps taken into consideration.
Im already cooking up a fit for running level 3 missions involving warp speed rigs. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
733
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:34:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:KaDa en Bauldry wrote:baltec1 wrote:Training times are never taken into account and with good reason. With the resist bonus you can get away quite happily with a 4 slot tank. With the drone buffs you also wont be fitting drone mods in the same way too. Skills: aye. 4 slot tank : that's what I'm already, only with the rigs being CCC so I don't drink cap boosters like a drunk sailor on shore leave. So I have a pretty good estimate how doable it is, with the new dps taken into consideration. Im already cooking up a fit for running level 3 missions involving warp speed rigs.
Ooh sounds like you have a role for the rattlesnake in mind. Why not try fitting it with a relic analyser and remote armor repairer while you are at it. I am sure we would all LOVE that.
Tell you what, you fly it your way and we will fly it ours, and we promise not to ridicule and deny you your options.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11245
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:38:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:baltec1 wrote:KaDa en Bauldry wrote:baltec1 wrote:Training times are never taken into account and with good reason. With the resist bonus you can get away quite happily with a 4 slot tank. With the drone buffs you also wont be fitting drone mods in the same way too. Skills: aye. 4 slot tank : that's what I'm already, only with the rigs being CCC so I don't drink cap boosters like a drunk sailor on shore leave. So I have a pretty good estimate how doable it is, with the new dps taken into consideration. Im already cooking up a fit for running level 3 missions involving warp speed rigs. Ooh sounds like you have a role for the rattlesnake in mind. Why not try fitting it with a relic analyser and remote armor repairer while you are at it. I am sure we would all LOVE that. Tell you what, you fly it your way and we will fly it ours, and we promise not to ridicule and deny you your options.
Ironicly, fitting remote armour/sheild repper isnt a bad idea as the drones have the ehp to tank somewhat. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
733
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:39:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:baltec1 wrote:KaDa en Bauldry wrote:baltec1 wrote:Training times are never taken into account and with good reason. With the resist bonus you can get away quite happily with a 4 slot tank. With the drone buffs you also wont be fitting drone mods in the same way too. Skills: aye. 4 slot tank : that's what I'm already, only with the rigs being CCC so I don't drink cap boosters like a drunk sailor on shore leave. So I have a pretty good estimate how doable it is, with the new dps taken into consideration. Im already cooking up a fit for running level 3 missions involving warp speed rigs. Ooh sounds like you have a role for the rattlesnake in mind. Why not try fitting it with a relic analyser and remote armor repairer while you are at it. I am sure we would all LOVE that. Tell you what, you fly it your way and we will fly it ours, and we promise not to ridicule and deny you your options. Ironicly, fitting remote armour/sheild repper isnt a bad idea as the drones have the ehp to tank somewhat.
Well....... Some of them do.
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Stein Backstabber
The Forgotten Wanderers
30
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:40:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Ironicly, fitting remote armour/sheild repper isnt a bad idea as the drones have the ehp to tank somewhat.
I have a remote armor repper on my Domi that I use when I'm messing with it, keeps the sentries alive no problems
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
733
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:41:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:baltec1 wrote:KaDa en Bauldry wrote:baltec1 wrote:Training times are never taken into account and with good reason. With the resist bonus you can get away quite happily with a 4 slot tank. With the drone buffs you also wont be fitting drone mods in the same way too. Skills: aye. 4 slot tank : that's what I'm already, only with the rigs being CCC so I don't drink cap boosters like a drunk sailor on shore leave. So I have a pretty good estimate how doable it is, with the new dps taken into consideration. Im already cooking up a fit for running level 3 missions involving warp speed rigs. Ooh sounds like you have a role for the rattlesnake in mind. Why not try fitting it with a relic analyser and remote armor repairer while you are at it. I am sure we would all LOVE that. Maybe we could have a white and red ship skin? Tell you what, you fly it your way and we will fly it ours, and we promise not to ridicule and deny you your options. Ironicly, fitting remote armour/sheild repper isnt a bad idea as the drones have the ehp to tank somewhat.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
733
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:45:00 -
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Stein Backstabber wrote:baltec1 wrote:Ironicly, fitting remote armour/sheild repper isnt a bad idea as the drones have the ehp to tank somewhat. I have a remote armor repper on my Domi that I use when I'm messing with it, keeps the sentries alive no problems
Absolutely nothing wrong with an armor and shield repper, apart from the small consideration that now not only do your drones suck but your missiles do too.......
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