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Rain6637 Team Evil 14103	Posted - 2014.04.14 16:19:00 - [1] - Quote There is a thread on Reddit about what aspect of the game is scaring off new players. That the game is difficult to comprehend is a repeating comment. One redditor mentioned the lack of turret information in the UI, and something clicked. This is a suggestion for how to visualize the tracking formula (the one players have worked out unofficially, anyway) Tracking Formula visualization in Tactical Overlay The components of the tracking formula cone are relative to the components of the tracking formula. This is data the client already has, as far as I know. angular velocity, tracking speed, signature radius, and signature resolution. The most basic purpose of the visualization is showing how well the left side of the formula is reconciled against the right side, which affects the damage applied to a target. The tip of the target's heading arrow, whether inside or outside the cone, is relative and can be affected by its speed, its signature, and change after boosting the turret's tracking with a tracking computer, applying a web, or a target painter... The tracking formula is simple, and I think this... yeah, is a good way to close the gap between numbers in overlay and the player. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Rainfleet on Twitch \| Rainfleet Mk III-á
Nolen Cadmar Nexus Ore Technologies and Excavations Surely You're Joking 165	Posted - 2014.04.14 18:10:00 - [2] - Quote That would make an interesting addition. Are those graphics yours? If so, excellent job. Going to save them for explanatory uses in the future. Nolen's Spreadsheet Guru Services: Need a spreadsheet created, maintained, updated or repaired? Learn more about my services at:-á https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3865379
Commissar Kate Team Evil 57134	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:16:00 - [3] - Quote Easier UI and game mechanics explanations is always welcome. People, who talk, don't know. People, who know, don't talk. Unlocking All Racial Clothing \|\| My Fanclub
Rain6637 Team Evil 14108	Posted - 2014.04.15 01:40:00 - [4] - Quote Yessir, Nolen, I made the mockup this morning. thank you. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Rainfleet on Twitch \| Rainfleet Mk III-á
Keith Planck Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate 726	Posted - 2014.04.15 01:54:00 - [5] - Quote a visual indicator for tracking is something eve has needed for a LONG long time aka Pony Lord Planck
Rain6637 Team Evil 14113	Posted - 2014.04.15 10:30:00 - [6] - Quote updating with more info on how the heading arrow can give a useful representation of the tracking situation o7 o7 President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Rainfleet on Twitch \| Rainfleet Mk III-á
Chris Slayter Baitfire Allibaitors 26	Posted - 2014.04.15 15:18:00 - [7] - Quote Looks really promising and would make a great addition to the tactical overlay. Hopefully CCP will notice your efforts. thumbsup
Carmen Electra Drunk Chaos 336	Posted - 2014.04.15 15:31:00 - [8] - Quote Heading indicator would also be nice for FCs who need to see who's not aligned. +1
HTC NecoSino Blackstar Privateers Disavowed. 74	Posted - 2014.04.15 15:37:00 - [9] - Quote Nerd.... <3 +1'd
Alundil Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate 464	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:11:00 - [10] - Quote +1 bump because this is a really good idea and presentation. Clone mechanics enchancements Deep Space Probe Revival

Anariasis Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 44	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:49:00 - [11] - Quote Like it! Want it! Should only display when you have the tactical overview on and only for the selected target.
Rain6637 Team Evil 14125	Posted - 2014.04.16 09:38:00 - [12] - Quote I messed up a bit with that scale of 0 - 1 - GêP I meant the result of 0.5 ^ ( [ angular V/tracking ] * [ sig res/sig rad ] )^2 perfectly still the result is 1 as the situation gets worse it approaches 0 the proper scale would be (from ideal to worst) 1 - .5 - 0 sorry about that President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Rainfleet on Twitch \| Rainfleet Mk III-á
Humang Sefem Velox Swift Angels Alliance 60	Posted - 2014.04.16 09:43:00 - [13] - Quote + Supported AFK Cloaking Thread summary - Provided by Paikis -á-á-á-á-á - Witty Comment Here -
Xe'Cara'eos A Big Enough Lever 142	Posted - 2014.04.16 10:12:00 - [14] - Quote I don't like your choice of a yellow triangle for heading arrow - to me it seems they should be heading away from that - maybe just use a standard arrow for it - and as long as these can be turned off when one is experienced enough (but keeping the tactical overlay) that would be lovely, I'd probably even use it no relatively new ships - so make it a button on the HUD edit - also +1 for excellent mockups - they look almost good enough to put into use For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it WILL be.
Rain6637 Team Evil 14126	Posted - 2014.04.16 10:23:00 - [15] - Quote ty sirs for the reception o7 the colors were picked mostly for contrast and clarity... I've updated the links in the OP, and just to clarify again the fixed links with some added info are here: 1 2 3 President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Rainfleet on Twitch \| Rainfleet Mk III-á
Noxisia Arkana Deadspace Knights 315	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:44:00 - [16] - Quote Very good idea. Anything to make this game more accessable. +1
Rahh Serves Collective Industrial Confederation Silent Forge 3	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:47:00 - [17] - Quote +1
TheMercenaryKing StarFleet Enterprises StarFleet. 160	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:05:00 - [18] - Quote I got to admit, it is cool. Personally though, I just use the Radial velocity and compare it to my turrets tracking, range is easy enough to understand, and due to the way the calculation is applied, sig radius of the target is minor except when using missiles.
Xe'Cara'eos A Big Enough Lever 148	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:44:00 - [19] - Quote maybe aura should link to these? For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it WILL be.
HTC NecoSino Blackstar Privateers Disavowed. 77	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:07:00 - [20] - Quote TheMercenaryKing wrote: I got to admit, it is cool. Personally though, I just use the Radial velocity and compare it to my turrets tracking, range is easy enough to understand, and due to the way the calculation is applied, sig radius of the target is minor except when using missiles. That requires thought, this is a split-second recognition

Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 110	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:16:00 - [21] - Quote +1 excellent
Rain6637 Team Evil 14133	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:23:00 - [22] - Quote came to features & ideas expecting to get murdered President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Rainfleet on Twitch \| Rainfleet Mk III-á
Xe'Cara'eos A Big Enough Lever 149	Posted - 2014.04.16 22:25:00 - [23] - Quote it's be nice wednesday :D seriously - once in a while something genius comes along - that'd be brilliant - maybe once every couple of months - and the forum just seems to band together to declare something amazing - bet those are the threads that CCP doesn't bother to read.... For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it WILL be.
Rain6637 Team Evil 14133	Posted - 2014.04.17 04:00:00 - [24] - Quote Surely you mean some other thread... How'm I supposed to follow that o7 o7 President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Rainfleet on Twitch \| Rainfleet Mk III-á
Gothikia Regeneration 270	Posted - 2014.04.17 09:39:00 - [25] - Quote Holy crap, a good thread in F&I. LIKE <3 Gothie
Xe'Cara'eos A Big Enough Lever 156	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:30:00 - [26] - Quote that's a good point - did I even like the OP? For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it WILL be.
Egravant Alduin Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 136	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:36:00 - [27] - Quote +1 great idea and graphics of yours.Agree in all aspects that the game must be more simple and then new players will come.A game should be simple and fun and not have to read unlimited guides be good at maths etc. I really like especially the cross that indicates if you will hit good or bad something.
Koz Katral Sanctuary of Shadows 5	Posted - 2014.04.17 11:47:00 - [28] - Quote This would be a fantastic idea and I would really like to see the devs run with it - Makes the tactical overlay more visually appealing and gives newer players more incentive to use it - Makes it feel like flying your ship is more reactive and piloting decisions have impact (obviously we know they do, but this would give a more HUD combat style feel to the tactical overlay that really rewards manual piloting) - Draws back the curtain surrounding tracking mechanics and helps new aspiring pvper's without having to understand all the numbers behind the scenes. Make it so!
Jezza McWaffle Blackstar Privateers Disavowed. 92	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:10:00 - [29] - Quote +1 here. Love it! C6 Wormhole blog http://holelotofwaffle.wordpress.com/
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 2628	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:20:00 - [30] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: came to features & ideas expecting to get murdered You need to post worse ideas then. Seriously I support this and I'm one of the few people that can do these calculations in my head within a second. It doesn't generalise for missiles sadly. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com.

Nolen Cadmar Nexus Ore Technologies and Excavations Surely You're Joking 180	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:37:00 - [31] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: came to features & ideas expecting to get murdered You only get murdered if your idea sucks. On the contrary, this one is excellent. Nolen's Spreadsheet Guru Services: Need a spreadsheet created, maintained, updated or repaired? Learn more about my services at:-á https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3865379
Nolen Cadmar Nexus Ore Technologies and Excavations Surely You're Joking 180	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:41:00 - [32] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: It doesn't generalise for missiles sadly. I'm sure the there could be something made for missiles. Could have the plus for ship size, then maybe a circle showing explosion radius. You'd want the circle to be less than or equal in size as the Plus. Not sure how you'd do the velocity part. Could make a Plus for ship, then "smear" the Plus to make a cylinder. The faster it's moving, the bigger the "smear." Then there could be a circle representing explosion velocity. "Smear" starts at center of circle. You'd want the "smear" to be entirely contained in the circle. Nolen's Spreadsheet Guru Services: Need a spreadsheet created, maintained, updated or repaired? Learn more about my services at:-á https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3865379
TAckermassacker New Republic The Initiative. 48	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:43:00 - [33] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: This is data the client already has, as far as I know. angular velocity, tracking speed, signature radius, and signature resolution. hi afaik the main problem on your propose is that signature of a target is not given for the client. you can not add a signature radius column into your overview and the only way to get a impression about the hostile signature radius is to watch which time you need to lock your opponent. without the signature information you may generate 3 cones covering an expectation cone covering expectation for 40 125 and 400m sig.
Miles Forrester Timeless Echoes 23	Posted - 2014.04.17 13:20:00 - [34] - Quote TAckermassacker wrote: Rain6637 wrote: This is data the client already has, as far as I know. angular velocity, tracking speed, signature radius, and signature resolution. hi afaik the main problem on your propose is that signature of a target is not given for the client. you can not add a signature radius column into your overview and the only way to get a impression about the hostile signature radius is to watch which time you need to lock your opponent. without the signature information you may generate 3 cones covering an expectation cone covering expectation for 40 125 and 400m sig. Possibly a ships' base signature radius can be used. Some inaccuracy would have to be assumed in the case of shield rigs, extenders, MWD's or skirmish boosts (or anything else that influences signature radius for that matter). However the size of the plus shape would remain the same (instead of increasing when a MWD is used) because of the data limitation on the client.
Mike Voidstar Voidstar Free Flight Foundation 541	Posted - 2014.04.17 13:25:00 - [35] - Quote Obviously we cant know exactly what the client knows... But I would bet signiture is communicated at some point. Even if not ship types are known and it could be calculated off base signiture for ship type, even though it would be misleading, with shield ships often being bigger, and some things like warfare links shrinking it. As a suggestion on the graphic, place the red cross inside a yellow circle with a tail, with the size of the circle representing sig radius. Almost what you have now, but the cross represents ship type like it does now, and your heading indicator also shows signiture. I am also one that would reverse the arrow.... Seems more natural to me that the cross be the 'front' with the tail fallin off in its wake.
Koz Katral Sanctuary of Shadows 5	Posted - 2014.04.17 13:29:00 - [36] - Quote TAckermassacker wrote: Rain6637 wrote: This is data the client already has, as far as I know. angular velocity, tracking speed, signature radius, and signature resolution. hi afaik the main problem on your propose is that signature of a target is not given for the client. you can not add a signature radius column into your overview and the only way to get a impression about the hostile signature radius is to watch which time you need to lock your opponent. without the signature information you may generate 3 cones covering an expectation cone covering expectation for 40 125 and 400m sig. There actually is a column for signiture size.
Jallukola 23	Posted - 2014.04.17 15:04:00 - [37] - Quote This looks and seems awesome, and I support it! The greatest battle music of all time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67MPxnPHBNk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16RCvtziXj0
Keith Planck Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate 729	Posted - 2014.04.17 19:59:00 - [38] - Quote bumping this thread, my idea for a much less distracting and easier to see visualization http://i.imgur.com/af2to1z.png cutting down the formula to a % with a small visualizer aka Pony Lord Planck
Xe'Cara'eos A Big Enough Lever 158	Posted - 2014.04.17 22:12:00 - [39] - Quote no offense keith - but I prefer the OP's idea - at least for new weapons/ships - it still makes you think a little, but doesn't leave you completely clueless, whereas I feel yours dumbs things down too much and regarding sig rad: I think the graphics would have to show base sig rad for that ship - maybe adding the bloom for a MWD if the ship suddenly quadruples it's base speed..... admittedly - this would then give wrong information for a few edge cases like oversized AB ships, but I think that's a reasonable tradeoff - someone's gimped their fit enough to put on that oversized AB - it now provides misinformation direct to the player too! For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it WILL be.
Shen Loong Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.04.17 23:09:00 - [40] - Quote HTC NecoSino wrote: TheMercenaryKing wrote: I got to admit, it is cool. Personally though, I just use the Radial velocity and compare it to my turrets tracking, range is easy enough to understand, and due to the way the calculation is applied, sig radius of the target is minor except when using missiles. That requires thought, this is a split-second recognition And this is why I actually don't like this idea. It makes it too easy IMO. Savvy pilots who understand the game mechanics and formulas can currently do all this already with the current tactical map. They do it in their heads and that's what makes them the best. This is a crutch IMO similar to the "driving arrows" we see in driving simulation games.

Carmen Electra Drunk Chaos 351	Posted - 2014.04.18 00:54:00 - [41] - Quote Shen Loong wrote: HTC NecoSino wrote: TheMercenaryKing wrote: I got to admit, it is cool. Personally though, I just use the Radial velocity and compare it to my turrets tracking, range is easy enough to understand, and due to the way the calculation is applied, sig radius of the target is minor except when using missiles. That requires thought, this is a split-second recognition And this is why I actually don't like this idea. It makes it too easy IMO. Savvy pilots who understand the game mechanics and formulas can currently do all this already with the current tactical map. They do it in their heads and that's what makes them the best. This is a crutch IMO similar to the "driving arrows" we see in driving simulation games. We're trying to make EVE more accessible, not less.
Rain6637 Team Evil 14165	Posted - 2014.04.18 01:05:00 - [42] - Quote This was going to be my next suggestion, for making the UI more appealing? I was thinking we could do away with the damage indicators altogether in favor of an avatar that becomes bloodied over time, like DOOM? I dunno what do you think http://i.imgur.com/qUj3vAf.jpg President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Rainfleet on Twitch \| Rainfleet Mk III-á
Carmen Electra Drunk Chaos 352	Posted - 2014.04.18 01:26:00 - [43] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: This was going to be my next suggestion, for making the UI more appealing? I was thinking we could do away with the damage indicators altogether in favor of an avatar that becomes bloodied over time, like DOOM? I dunno what do you think http://i.imgur.com/qUj3vAf.jpg +1 :D Cute portrait BTW.
Rain6637 Team Evil 14166	Posted - 2014.04.18 01:38:00 - [44] - Quote :-3 characters are Eliana Eros (birthday today) and Graygor, who happened to be active in a chat i was lurking at the time battle reports would be pretty funny if one side had sadface avatars with black and blue faces, and the other side's avatars were happy and generally healthy looking. off-topic! kinda? President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Rainfleet on Twitch \| Rainfleet Mk III-á
Mike Voidstar Voidstar Free Flight Foundation 544	Posted - 2014.04.18 01:54:00 - [45] - Quote Shen Loong wrote: HTC NecoSino wrote: TheMercenaryKing wrote: I got to admit, it is cool. Personally though, I just use the Radial velocity and compare it to my turrets tracking, range is easy enough to understand, and due to the way the calculation is applied, sig radius of the target is minor except when using missiles. That requires thought, this is a split-second recognition And this is why I actually don't like this idea. It makes it too easy IMO. Savvy pilots who understand the game mechanics and formulas can currently do all this already with the current tactical map. They do it in their heads and that's what makes them the best. This is a crutch IMO similar to the "driving arrows" we see in driving simulation games. Because semi-sentient spaceship computers would never do math for you so that you could concentrate on more important things like making split second decisions in combat. Seriously... Does CCP have to hire ninjas to come into everyones house once a month and put needles in the keyboard so EVE can actually require blood and pain to play? Making the tactical view display more than range and relative altitude off an arbitrary plane in space is exactly the kind of immersive touch the little things crew should be looking into. The OP is great and is one of the least controversial things to ever get suggested... So of course a member of the "EVE should be hard because its EVE" chorus has to sing out.
TAckermassacker New Republic The Initiative. 49	Posted - 2014.04.18 19:22:00 - [46] - Quote Koz Katral wrote: TAckermassacker wrote: Rain6637 wrote: This is data the client already has, as far as I know. angular velocity, tracking speed, signature radius, and signature resolution. hi afaik the main problem on your propose is that signature of a target is not given for the client. you can not add a signature radius column into your overview and the only way to get a impression about the hostile signature radius is to watch which time you need to lock your opponent. without the signature information you may generate 3 cones covering an expectation cone covering expectation for 40 125 and 400m sig. There actually is a column for signiture size. show me a screenshot, lol really the size column in eve has nothing to do with the signature radius you have no idea what you talking about to switch to infite silence.
stoicfaux 4531	Posted - 2014.04.18 20:16:00 - [47] - Quote +1 WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
Rain6637 Team Evil 14332	Posted - 2014.05.04 21:30:00 - [48] - Quote 2 week bump, if you will pardon me. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Rainfleet on Twitch \| Rainfleet Mk III-á
Daenika MMO-Mechanics.com 77	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:18:00 - [49] - Quote Quote: It doesn't generalise for missiles sadly. Easy, if you have launchers equipped, put a color-coded ring around the target showing expected percentage of maximum damage that would apply if the missiles landed right then. Also, fantastic idea, though I'm not sure I like the base color scheme. Making the cone green in optimal, yellow in falloff, and red past first falloff, and color-coding the velocity arrow on the target based on it's relation to the cone (only really need two colors here, since the "optimal" of tracking is 0 rad/sec, but maybe green if hit chance is above 90% or something) would work a bit better, imo. I also want to keep your graphics for training purposes. Permission?
Rain6637 Team Evil 14338	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:08:00 - [50] - Quote yes please disseminate, I take that as quite a compliment. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Rainfleet on Twitch \| Rainfleet Mk III-á

Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 1712	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:09:00 - [51] - Quote Why am I see this thread just now? Those are awesome graphics and oh my god, if tactical overlay would display something like this... OSSUMSOUCE! +100! I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 195	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:09:00 - [52] - Quote Bump for a great idea and awesome prototype! Also op's avatar is cool.
Rain6637 Team Evil 14343	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:31:00 - [53] - Quote awh, you guys.. xoxo President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Rainfleet on Twitch \| Rainfleet Mk III-á
Dr Jihad Alhariri Fail Force 5 Corrosive. 2	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:54:00 - [54] - Quote +1 If well designed and polished, real-time graphical metrics for turret tracking and signature radius would be helpful for newer players who are trying to grasp Eve's combat mechanics. I wish something like this was in place when I first started playing.
Adunh Slavy 1385	Posted - 2014.05.06 00:58:00 - [55] - Quote /signed Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt
Rayzilla Zaraki Tandokuno 202	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:02:00 - [56] - Quote Superb work. +1 CCP: make it so! Gate campers are just Carebears with anger issues.
Jelani Akinyemi Affonso Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 70	Posted - 2014.05.06 01:59:00 - [57] - Quote +1 LUV It :)
Ortellius Viziam Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.05.09 03:52:00 - [58] - Quote Wow. How'd this fall this low on the topics list. Back to top please! Incredible idea! +1 If I see one more "Please introduce game breaking feature" thread I may just hang myself (in game)
Raiz Nhell Veni Vidi Vici Reloaded Veni Vidi Vici Alliance 325	Posted - 2014.05.09 04:53:00 - [59] - Quote Love the idea +1 To incorporate the visualisation into the current UI, you could use the 4 spinning arrows in the targeting circle to indicate the "firing solution" (for want of a better word) the closer they come to the centre, the better the "solution" you have. This means that you still need to target, and have some level of situation awareness to identify a good target to fire on. There is no such thing as a fair fight... If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 3209	Posted - 2014.05.09 05:11:00 - [60] - Quote I like your idea for a tracking indicator but I'd like to modify your idea slightly. When you use the tactical overlay grid, you have a little white line between you and your target which is handy for telling you where they are in relation to you. If that white line was a dynamic, coloured line with a gradient scaling red, yellow, green, then that would probably be quite nice. Oh god.

Nao Asukai Asukai Ordnance Works 2	Posted - 2014.05.09 05:37:00 - [61] - Quote This is good Too bad it'll never happen.
Arya Regnar Darwins Right Hand 375	Posted - 2014.05.09 11:09:00 - [62] - Quote "Will this make botting easier?" EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
monkfish2345 The Knights of Spamalot The Methodical Alliance 167	Posted - 2014.05.09 11:55:00 - [63] - Quote Arya Regnar wrote: "Will this make botting easier?" no, if you were to use a bot to calculate things such as the best target to shoot at, it could quite easily use the raw transversal numbers which would be far more accurate than the visualisation. Personally I really like this idea. Worth noting that it is doing far more than just giving tracking data. as you also have optimal, falloff, trajectory, transversal etc. i think it would be a nice addition, and maybe get more people using the tactical overlap which right now see very little use that i am aware of.
Stealth General Spirits of Vacon Hole Control 1	Posted - 2014.05.09 19:41:00 - [64] - Quote +1 like the graphics ;)
Arya Regnar Darwins Right Hand 376	Posted - 2014.05.10 00:19:00 - [65] - Quote Mehh to be honest I just don't like the idea of being shown everything, the only thing I'd like to have is arrow pointers on tactical overlay that would show direction of someones movement. Zooming in is hard when you are maneuvering. I don't like everything overly simplified, it takes the skill of it out. If green shoot if not don't. Yeah I know UI already shows radians, I use it. -1 EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
AA10 School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.05.10 03:35:00 - [66] - Quote +1
Darin Vanar Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2014.05.10 04:28:00 - [67] - Quote +1 If the Tactical Overlay could show a graphic like you posted in the first link, that would be really helpful. We're people, not NASA computers, after all.
Linkxsc162534 Traps 'R' Us Advanced Amateurs 65	Posted - 2014.05.10 05:22:00 - [68] - Quote Me likes, and I don't even fly turreted ships. Darin Vanar wrote: +1 If the Tactical Overlay could show a graphic like you posted in the first link, that would be really helpful. We're people, not NASA computers, after all. ^ after a year of intensive KSP playing, I honestly wonder if I'm not. huehue
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 1820	Posted - 2014.05.13 07:47:00 - [69] - Quote Arya Regnar wrote: Mehh to be honest I just don't like the idea of being shown everything, the only thing I'd like to have is arrow pointers on tactical overlay that would show direction of someones movement. Zooming in is hard when you are maneuvering. I don't like everything overly simplified, it takes the skill of it out. If green shoot if not don't. Yeah I know UI already shows radians, I use it. -1 Yes, god forbid UI could be made into something more game-like and less excel-like. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Meiyang Lee Game Instrument Applications 39	Posted - 2014.05.13 08:13:00 - [70] - Quote Great idea OP, wholeheartedly supported.

Rain6637 Team Evil 15058	Posted - 2014.06.25 22:30:00 - [71] - Quote mmbump President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Rainfleet on Twitch \| Twitter \| Rainfleet mk.III \| Imgur
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1216	Posted - 2014.06.25 22:38:00 - [72] - Quote +1, nice work on the mockups as well.
Valkin Mordirc Abysmal Gentlemen 29	Posted - 2014.06.25 22:49:00 - [73] - Quote This is a wonderful idea, and would help the new player experience a lot, when it comes to understanding how tracking works. I'm surprised Fozzie hasn't posted on this, see as he went full on hard for the NPE last fanfest. So, I'm lovin' it. +1 Psychotic Monk for CSM9
Rain6637 Team Evil 15060	Posted - 2014.06.25 23:17:00 - [74] - Quote o7 o7 thanks guys. I'm working on a "walkthrough" of the turret damage formula, and it's a handful... and included is a cleaner mock-up that is uncanny--it really looks like it could / should be part of the client. as for why it hasn't been commented on, I have a suspicion, but for me to share it would be impolite. it could just be that the mockup needs to look more.... 'psh' before it clicks President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Rainfleet on Twitch \| Twitter \| Rainfleet mk.III \| Imgur
Saisin State War Academy Caldari State 76	Posted - 2014.06.26 05:32:00 - [75] - Quote Great work and idea.. +1 "surrender your ego, be free". innuendo. solo? There is a new hope http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/2014/05/ok-now-im-betting-man.html
Hakaari Inkuran State War Academy Caldari State 77	Posted - 2014.06.26 15:34:00 - [76] - Quote I actually think the way this currently is proposed, would confuse new players even more. Unless it is disabled until the new player activates it via one of the options under the gameplay tab, and is offered a tutorial to explain the cone and where to activate it.
Rain6637 Team Evil 15198	Posted - 2014.06.27 00:24:00 - [77] - Quote Ok I can see how leaving it off of the default tactical overview is a reasonable provision. Still, between the options of watching stale squares and having a heading indicator at range, I don't see why using it wouldn't be an eventuality. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub \| Rainfleet on Twitch \| Twitter \| Rainfleet mk.III \| Imgur
Grezh Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 15	Posted - 2014.06.27 21:54:00 - [78] - Quote This would be wonderful for when you want to pvp and not second guess yourself on if your turrets will hit a target or not so i fully support an upgrade to the tactical overlay. It would be even better if it was segmented so that the velocity and direction is always visible but the tracking cone was toggled for a quick check.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 1507	Posted - 2014.07.21 12:53:00 - [79] - Quote Bump for an awesome idea and mock-up, so maybe some other dudes/dudettes get a chance to read it. Worst case they might learn something about tracking. +1, Rain. EVE Online: Death-o-meter
Yishna Strone Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 2	Posted - 2014.07.21 13:00:00 - [80] - Quote This looks awesome! Would love to see this in the game.



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