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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.04.15 02:50:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
As boat posted, we were told not to do this as bumping ships out of a pos that we do not have the pw to is an exploit
If any part is sticking out you can still bump it, any part at all.
If you have the PW however it becomes a non issue.
Because NCdot have cut the first half of the video you can't really know if it was a single Phoon that did it (notice how much slower Vee's titan is going than all the rest? Looks like it was bumped by something smaller) or if the Titans simply had the PW in and jumped near the shield edge (less likely, Vee's titan would likely be around the speed the other titans were which would have taken him much farther away from the POS than he actually drifted).
Its shocking to me that in an organization the size of Goons that "its a spy" is somehow an unacceptable answer to the line members of the CFC.
Its not only possible, its actually the most probable.
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2444
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Posted - 2014.04.15 02:50:00 -
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Generic5Guy wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:
Its not POS bowling either, that was something entirely different that related to the shields being semi permeable even without the pass word, you could charge in, and like a rubber band you'd stretch in then get flung back out, on the way in using a big enough ship would fling the things out.
That is what they did this time.
No its not because POS shields stopped working that way 5 or 6 years ago.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/POS_bowling Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11168
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Posted - 2014.04.15 02:51:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:baltec1 wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote: Baltec, if the video in question showed someone pos bowling no one would question that an exploit happened, the titan need to be replaced, and the people responsible banned.
As it stands, the provided video supports one of two conclusions: 1) The titan was bumped just inside the POS shield - Exploit. 2) The titan was bumped just outside the POS shield - Not Exploit.
You claim that the titan must have been inside the POS for ~reasons~ but provide no supporting evidence of that. Maybe after whatever op Vee went afk and drifted out of the POS. Stranger stuff has happened.
Again, if he was outside the pos why would they cyno right on top of him to bump him through the pos rather than cyno in at range and just DD him? No idea. But that doesn't exclude the possibility. Motivation for an action, or lack thereof is not evidence as such.
The fact that it is moronic to do kinda does rule it out. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.15 02:53:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Generic5Guy wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:
Its not POS bowling either, that was something entirely different that related to the shields being semi permeable even without the pass word, you could charge in, and like a rubber band you'd stretch in then get flung back out, on the way in using a big enough ship would fling the things out.
That is what they did this time. No its not because POS shields stopped working that way 5 or 6 years ago.
When you cyno in a titan at near zero on a pos shields it will stick in several thousand km before bouncing away. A bridge titan sits 1-2km from the edge. Its going to get bumped. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.04.15 02:57:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Generic5Guy wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:
Its not POS bowling either, that was something entirely different that related to the shields being semi permeable even without the pass word, you could charge in, and like a rubber band you'd stretch in then get flung back out, on the way in using a big enough ship would fling the things out.
That is what they did this time. No its not because POS shields stopped working that way 5 or 6 years ago. When you cyno in a titan at near zero on a pos shields it will stick in several thousand km before bouncing away. A bridge titan sits 1-2km from the edge. Its going to get bumped.
This is absolutely not true, stop telling stories to an actual titan owner.
Even when you own the tower, like its your actual corp tower, its hard to get it to plop you in the tower, its sheer luck every time, however if you're not in the alliance, there is literally ZERO chance of it happening and you absolutely 100% can't penetrate the shields -even on jump in- if you're not equipped with the password
EDIT: The fact that you're trying to tell me how titans work is astounding in of itself but to tell it completely wrong is shocking. Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11168
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Posted - 2014.04.15 03:00:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:baltec1 wrote:
As boat posted, we were told not to do this as bumping ships out of a pos that we do not have the pw to is an exploit
If any part is sticking out you can still bump it, any part at all. If you have the PW however it becomes a non issue. Because NCdot have cut the first half of the video you can't really know if it was a single Phoon that did it (notice how much slower Vee's titan is going than all the rest? Looks like it was bumped by something smaller) or if the Titans simply had the PW in and jumped near the shield edge (less likely, Vee's titan would likely be around the speed the other titans were which would have taken him much farther away from the POS than he actually drifted). Its shocking to me that in an organization the size of Goons that "its a spy" is somehow an unacceptable answer to the line members of the CFC. Its not only possible, its actually the most probable.
Too fast for a subcap bump plus no subcaps had access to this pos and only a handfull of EG have the PW. Any other sig or pos oreven titan and a spy may have been possible. However given whos titan it was, the pos and the fact the N3 titans bounced away from the pos shields its not a spy.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.15 03:04:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:baltec1 wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Generic5Guy wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:
Its not POS bowling either, that was something entirely different that related to the shields being semi permeable even without the pass word, you could charge in, and like a rubber band you'd stretch in then get flung back out, on the way in using a big enough ship would fling the things out.
That is what they did this time. No its not because POS shields stopped working that way 5 or 6 years ago. When you cyno in a titan at near zero on a pos shields it will stick in several thousand km before bouncing away. A bridge titan sits 1-2km from the edge. Its going to get bumped. This is absolutely not true, stop telling stories to an actual titan owner. Even when you own the tower, like its your actual corp tower, its hard to get it to plop you in the tower, its sheer luck every time, however if you're not in the alliance, there is literally ZERO chance of it happening and you absolutely 100% can't penetrate the shields - even on jump in- if you're not equipped with the password EDIT: The fact that you're trying to tell me how titans work is astounding in of itself but to tell it completely wrong is shocking.
Given that you said the exact same thing about drones before CCP came out and showed you to be wrong I'll take that with a grain of salt.
The titan got bumped by other titans while sitting in a pos, seems N3 have figured out something both of us thought impossible.
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.04.15 03:05:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:baltec1 wrote:
As boat posted, we were told not to do this as bumping ships out of a pos that we do not have the pw to is an exploit
If any part is sticking out you can still bump it, any part at all. If you have the PW however it becomes a non issue. Because NCdot have cut the first half of the video you can't really know if it was a single Phoon that did it (notice how much slower Vee's titan is going than all the rest? Looks like it was bumped by something smaller) or if the Titans simply had the PW in and jumped near the shield edge (less likely, Vee's titan would likely be around the speed the other titans were which would have taken him much farther away from the POS than he actually drifted). Its shocking to me that in an organization the size of Goons that "its a spy" is somehow an unacceptable answer to the line members of the CFC. Its not only possible, its actually the most probable. Too fast for a subcap bump plus no subcaps had access to this pos and only a handfull of EG have the PW. Any other sig or pos oreven titan and a spy may have been possible. However given whos titan it was, the pos and the fact the N3 titans bounced away from the pos shields its not a spy.
Dude, they bounced away from the tower because thats the ONLY direction they could go, they CAN"T go through it, they have to go away.
And how do you know one of those handful of EG dudes aren't dirty?
Stating flatly in this case 'its not a spy' has a fairly huge potential to make you look silly, I mean holy **** man, Vee can die just like everybody else in game for being lazy and doing dumb stuff with spies around.
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2444
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Posted - 2014.04.15 03:07:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
The titan got bumped by other titans while sitting in a pos, seems N3 have figured out something both of us thought impossible.
Yea, did CCP give the titan back?
Whats that, no they didnt?
Interesting, seems like you might be wrong here junior. Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11168
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Posted - 2014.04.15 03:10:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:baltec1 wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:baltec1 wrote:
As boat posted, we were told not to do this as bumping ships out of a pos that we do not have the pw to is an exploit
If any part is sticking out you can still bump it, any part at all. If you have the PW however it becomes a non issue. Because NCdot have cut the first half of the video you can't really know if it was a single Phoon that did it (notice how much slower Vee's titan is going than all the rest? Looks like it was bumped by something smaller) or if the Titans simply had the PW in and jumped near the shield edge (less likely, Vee's titan would likely be around the speed the other titans were which would have taken him much farther away from the POS than he actually drifted). Its shocking to me that in an organization the size of Goons that "its a spy" is somehow an unacceptable answer to the line members of the CFC. Its not only possible, its actually the most probable. Too fast for a subcap bump plus no subcaps had access to this pos and only a handfull of EG have the PW. Any other sig or pos oreven titan and a spy may have been possible. However given whos titan it was, the pos and the fact the N3 titans bounced away from the pos shields its not a spy. Dude, they bounced away from the tower because thats the ONLY direction they could go, they CAN"T go through it, they have to go away. And how do you know one of those handful of EG dudes aren't dirty? Stating flatly in this case 'its not a spy' has a fairly huge potential to make you look silly, I mean holy **** man, Vee can die just like everybody else in game for being lazy and doing dumb stuff with spies around.
that would mean a director level spy. Would you potentialy burn one of them just to kill a titan that will be replaced in short order?
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.15 03:12:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:baltec1 wrote:
The titan got bumped by other titans while sitting in a pos, seems N3 have figured out something both of us thought impossible.
Yea, did CCP give the titan back? Whats that, no they didnt? Interesting, seems like you might be wrong here junior.
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.04.15 03:15:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: that would mean a director level spy. Would you potentialy burn one of them just to kill a titan that will be replaced in short order?
Knowing it was Vee's? Maybe, maybe not but it wasn't my spies working there, everybody handles their spy network differently, yours is used to disband and rob people, ours is used for information gathering only and hardly ever direct damage, NCdot handles theirs differently than either of us, who's to say.
baltec1 wrote:
What makes you think the ticket has been processed yet?
Because I've been here for a few years and know how the process works?
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.15 03:30:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:baltec1 wrote: that would mean a director level spy. Would you potentialy burn one of them just to kill a titan that will be replaced in short order?
Knowing it was Vee's? Maybe, maybe not but it wasn't my spies working there, everybody handles their spy network differently, yours is used to disband and rob people, ours is used for information gathering only and hardly ever direct damage, NCdot handles theirs differently than either of us, who's to say. baltec1 wrote:
What makes you think the ticket has been processed yet?
Because I've been here for a few years and know how the process works?
If it has been answered then a new one has likely gone in thanks to this new evidence. Before all we knew was that a titan vee though was in a pos somehow died. Now we know it was bumped.
as for the spy, I wouldnt expect N3 to burn a high level EG spy. We sure as hell wouldnt. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3975
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Posted - 2014.04.15 03:48:00 -
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People telling PL how titans 'work'. |

Rabid Disconnection
Looking for Booty C.L.O.N.E.
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Posted - 2014.04.15 04:33:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:baltec1 wrote:Anyone of my age remembers pos bowling and it looks exactly like what is happening here.
If N3 get away with this even after posting this video then it can only mean pos bowling is now a legit tactic. . This post shows you have absolutely zero knowledge of what POS bowling was. Let me give you a tiny hint here: You can't POS bowl anymore because they changed the way the POS shields work, everything else has been and is legal.
LOL, we both know that is BS. You can still light on a POS and bump a ship inside out... Ive accidently done it recently. |

Travis Musgrat
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
13
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Posted - 2014.04.15 04:39:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:baltec1 wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:baltec1 wrote:
As boat posted, we were told not to do this as bumping ships out of a pos that we do not have the pw to is an exploit
If any part is sticking out you can still bump it, any part at all. If you have the PW however it becomes a non issue. Because NCdot have cut the first half of the video you can't really know if it was a single Phoon that did it (notice how much slower Vee's titan is going than all the rest? Looks like it was bumped by something smaller) or if the Titans simply had the PW in and jumped near the shield edge (less likely, Vee's titan would likely be around the speed the other titans were which would have taken him much farther away from the POS than he actually drifted). Its shocking to me that in an organization the size of Goons that "its a spy" is somehow an unacceptable answer to the line members of the CFC. Its not only possible, its actually the most probable. Too fast for a subcap bump plus no subcaps had access to this pos and only a handfull of EG have the PW. Any other sig or pos oreven titan and a spy may have been possible. However given whos titan it was, the pos and the fact the N3 titans bounced away from the pos shields its not a spy. Dude, they bounced away from the tower because thats the ONLY direction they could go, they CAN"T go through it, they have to go away. And how do you know one of those handful of EG dudes aren't dirty? Stating flatly in this case 'its not a spy' has a fairly huge potential to make you look silly, I mean holy **** man, Vee can die just like everybody else in game for being lazy and doing dumb stuff with spies around. that would mean a director level spy. Would you potentialy burn one of them just to kill a titan that will be replaced in short order? yes it was |

Regan Rotineque
Arch Angels Assault Force The Kadeshi
300
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Posted - 2014.04.15 05:10:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Bee tears are filled with honey, please continue....
Can I like this post x 10? |

Garia666
CyberShield Inc Triumvirate.
68
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Posted - 2014.04.15 05:16:00 -
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goon tears are the best ones.. so sweet :)
only good goon is a dead one..
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9378
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Posted - 2014.04.15 05:16:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:People telling PL how titans 'work'. Grath Telkin telling people who know how titans work how titans work. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1249
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Posted - 2014.04.15 05:17:00 -
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Travis Musgrat wrote: yes it was
Or was it.... Or are you just playing mind games to make them suspect their own directors.... Or are you playing mind games to make them think you are playing mind games to make them suspect their own directors in order to protect your spy...
We must go deeper! |

Empress Siri
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2014.04.15 05:28:00 -
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Grath bitchslapping a goon in GD.....it's getting me quite turned on |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1839
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Posted - 2014.04.15 05:54:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Because NCdot have cut the first half of the video you can't really know if it was a single Phoon that did it
tell us more about the single magic typhoon that bumped the titan from one end of the shields right out the other, with one single bump npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |

Garia666
CyberShield Inc Triumvirate.
70
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Posted - 2014.04.15 05:56:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Because NCdot have cut the first half of the video you can't really know if it was a single Phoon that did it
tell us more about the single magic typhoon that bumped the titan from one end of the shields right out the other, with one single bump
hahaha always nice to see butt hurt goons posting :) |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1839
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Posted - 2014.04.15 05:58:00 -
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illiterate tri posts are their own reward npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2458
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Posted - 2014.04.15 06:07:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Because NCdot have cut the first half of the video you can't really know if it was a single Phoon that did it
tell us more about the single magic typhoon that bumped the titan from one end of the shields right out the other, with one single bump
I will, I will tell you that Vee was afk there by his own admission, and none of the rest of the CFC were in or around that tower to see what took place.
So you are literally screaming exploit without a single solid shred of evidence, that neither the video footage nor CCPs petition systems seems to support.
You are effectively at this point no better than your average conspiracy theorist.
Good job, Xenuria has a better grip on factual reality than you do.
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3976
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Posted - 2014.04.15 06:13:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote: Good job, Xenuria has a better grip on factual reality than you do.
Not all the ice in Eve can heal that burn. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1839
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Posted - 2014.04.15 06:17:00 -
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the idea that a single awoxer in a typhoon might bump a titan hard enough to hit 1000 m/s with one bump (rather than multiple bumps) might convince some mouthbreathing NPC alts who are unfamiliar with eve beyond their veldspar belts, but seriously you'll have to do better than that npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |

King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
39
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Posted - 2014.04.15 06:26:00 -
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Ok so here is what happened:
Awoxing Typhoon bumps a titan chilling close to the shield (so he can bridge faster) outside the FF, hostiles cyno in close to the POS and bump the AFK titan out through the shields to the other side.
No exploit happened, no exploit shown on video, logs show no rule violation, no reimbursement. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1839
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Posted - 2014.04.15 06:31:00 -
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so they have an awoxer in a typhoon bump it out so that they can jump in and bump it through the shields again
genius and totally doesn't beg the question: why would they light the cyno there instead of, you know, at 100km where they can just DD it because it's already out of the shields? npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2965

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Posted - 2014.04.15 06:34:00 -
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Quote:15. Posting about bugs and exploits is prohibited.
Bugs and exploits should be reported through the proper channels. Bugs should be brought to the attention of CCP by filing a bug report for our Quality Assurance department. More information on filing bug reports can be found here. Discussions about unverified issues in game can cause unnecessary panic in the community. When there is an issue that the EVE Online community needs to be aware of, it will be communicated via an official statement from CCP after thorough investigation. Please report any exploits through the petition system and not on the forums. Thank you.
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