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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:07:00 -
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The Slayer wrote:baltec1 wrote:The Slayer wrote:Just to play Devils advocate here : nowhere in that video does it show that Vees titan was inside the pos when they bumped it. If it wasnt in the pos they would have simply used their DD. You never bump a titan towards a POS if it is outside. Maybe they bumped it by accident :) Nothing in this video proves otherwise.
Aside from the fact that we can see where the bump happened which just happens to be on the edge of the pos shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

The Slayer
Vasilkovsky Interstellar Goonswarm Federation
92
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:08:00 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:i like how you, the npc alt n3 cheerleader, conveniently ignore when your team got its **** pushed in in B-R
that must have really made you upset heh Little do you know mittens paid for that victory to buy some moral.
Goons have no morals. Perhaps you meant morale? |

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1378
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:10:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: Aside from the fact that we can see where the bump happened which just happens to be on the edge of the pos shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.
Could you point out the time in the video where you see exactly where the orange titan was before the footage began.
I'd be real interested to examine that bit. |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4482
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:14:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:baltec1 wrote: Aside from the fact that we can see where the bump happened which just happens to be on the edge of the pos shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.
Could you point out the time in the video where you see exactly where the orange titan was before the footage began. I'd be real interested to examine that bit.
Difficulty: Positive time indexes only.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11161
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:14:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:baltec1 wrote: Aside from the fact that we can see where the bump happened which just happens to be on the edge of the pos shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.
Could you point out the time in the video where you see exactly where the orange titan was before the footage began. I'd be real interested to examine that bit.
You simply look at where the titans are all moving from. The point where the bump happened can be seen simply by looking at the direction all of the ships are moving from.
Its rather shocking to see so many people willing to ignore the factthat an eploit has happened here simply because it was a goon titan that died. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
187
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:19:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:baltec1 wrote: Aside from the fact that we can see where the bump happened which just happens to be on the edge of the pos shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.
Could you point out the time in the video where you see exactly where the orange titan was before the footage began. I'd be real interested to examine that bit. You simply look at where the titans are all moving from. The point where the bump happened can be seen simply by looking at the direction all of the ships are moving from. Its rather shocking to see so many people willing to ignore the factthat an eploit has happened here simply because it was a goon titan that died.
We don't ignore it, we just don't care. Null sec is 2 entities, which in reality is probably only 1, and you're all a bunch of but lickers.
Yes the other but |

Tesco Ergo Sum
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:19:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:baltec1 wrote: Aside from the fact that we can see where the bump happened which just happens to be on the edge of the pos shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.
Could you point out the time in the video where you see exactly where the orange titan was before the footage began. I'd be real interested to examine that bit. You simply look at where the titans are all moving from. The point where the bump happened can be seen simply by looking at the direction all of the ships are moving from. Its rather shocking to see so many people willing to ignore the factthat an eploit has happened here simply because it was a goon titan that died.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof...
Regardless of who is involved. |

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1378
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:19:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:baltec1 wrote: Aside from the fact that we can see where the bump happened which just happens to be on the edge of the pos shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.
Could you point out the time in the video where you see exactly where the orange titan was before the footage began. I'd be real interested to examine that bit. You simply look at where the titans are all moving from. The point where the bump happened can be seen simply by looking at the direction all of the ships are moving from. Its rather shocking to see so many people willing to ignore the factthat an eploit has happened here simply because it was a goon titan that died. So somewhere in that general direction *waves hand at left side of screen*. Very nice and exact, or "simple" as you put it.
I'm not ignoring an exploit, I simply don't see it. Maybe its a simple thing for you to pinpoint the exact position of every single ship in that video at every single sever tick before the footage began.
Regrettably, I have no such ability. All I see is an orange titan moving in some vague direction toward the right of the screen. |

Dabigredboat
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:20:00 -
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I can tell you from both experience bumping and being bumped in a titan, there is no subcapital ship in the game that can get a titan bumped to over 400m/s. To bump vee's titan out the other side of the pos, they would have had to constantly be bumping him over a period of 20 to 30 km and that is a MINIMUM to get him out.
From the video you can see that no subcapitals are present outside of the cyno ship in and the titans to dd the avatar. Hell even the fc himself was not on field to do anything.
This was called an exploit because of Pandemic legion using it to kill a titan before and then followed by an attempt on a solar titan shortly after. That titan survived, frapsed it, and ccp declared it an exploit shortly after.
This video has been posted almost 3 weeks but was just set PUBLIC last night, this is why the thread is up, NC.dot has been trying to declare based on a Screen shot that the titans jumped in at ranges of 100km plus, not RIGHT ON THE TOWER. And that they used subcapitals with a pos password to catch the titan.
If they had the password, they would have had some titans go the same direction as the vee avatar, not all titans bounce away from the shields in a cone. |

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1378
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:24:00 -
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Dabigredboat wrote:NC.dot has been trying to declare based on a Screen shot that the titans jumped in at ranges of 100km plus So NC. is full of **** and lies up the ass. That shouldn't surprise anyone, nor does it prove that an exploit happened. |
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4485
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:36:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:baltec1 wrote: Aside from the fact that we can see where the bump happened which just happens to be on the edge of the pos shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.
Could you point out the time in the video where you see exactly where the orange titan was before the footage began. I'd be real interested to examine that bit. You simply look at where the titans are all moving from. The point where the bump happened can be seen simply by looking at the direction all of the ships are moving from. Its rather shocking to see so many people willing to ignore the factthat an eploit has happened here simply because it was a goon titan that died.
What I am seeing is someone making a thread in GD claiming an "exploit" in the thread title to stir things up and then the OP backpedals by later saying:
Generic5Guy wrote:Just pointing out the video, everyone deserves to judge themselves.
It's been 3 weeks since that video was posted, so either you guys petitioned and it did not come out the way you expected, or you didn't and are breaking the rules now regarding positing exploits and/or rumor mongering for :reasons:
The video may in fact show the *result* of POS bowling, it does not however show the exploit being initiated. Assuming that it was the exploit at issue, it would have happened at a time prior to the video you are showing as evidence. Also if true, CCP will have evidence to back that up.
This is up to CCP to decide, and if they already have and you guys just don't like the answer, I can certainly sympathize, but you are gonna have to show me something a LOT more convincing before I start sharpening pitchforks and calling for blood. I am otherwise 100% in agreement, IF thiscan be proven to be an exploit, punitive and corrective actions should be handed out. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11164
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:39:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:baltec1 wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:baltec1 wrote: Aside from the fact that we can see where the bump happened which just happens to be on the edge of the pos shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.
Could you point out the time in the video where you see exactly where the orange titan was before the footage began. I'd be real interested to examine that bit. You simply look at where the titans are all moving from. The point where the bump happened can be seen simply by looking at the direction all of the ships are moving from. Its rather shocking to see so many people willing to ignore the factthat an eploit has happened here simply because it was a goon titan that died. So somewhere in that general direction *waves hand at left side of screen*. Very nice and exact, or "simple" as you put it. I'm not ignoring an exploit, I simply don't see it. Maybe its a simple thing for you to pinpoint the exact position of every single ship in that video at every single sever tick before the footage began. Regrettably, I have no such ability. All I see is an orange titan moving in some vague direction toward the right of the screen.
You dont see it because you are chosing to not see it.
It is very very easy to see where the titans are moving and draw a line back to where they were. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:43:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:baltec1 wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:baltec1 wrote: Aside from the fact that we can see where the bump happened which just happens to be on the edge of the pos shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.
Could you point out the time in the video where you see exactly where the orange titan was before the footage began. I'd be real interested to examine that bit. You simply look at where the titans are all moving from. The point where the bump happened can be seen simply by looking at the direction all of the ships are moving from. Its rather shocking to see so many people willing to ignore the factthat an eploit has happened here simply because it was a goon titan that died. What I am seeing is someone making a thread in GD claiming an "exploit" in the thread title to stir things up and then the OP backpedals by later saying: Generic5Guy wrote:Just pointing out the video, everyone deserves to judge themselves. It's been 3 weeks since that video was posted, so either you guys petitioned and it did not come out the way you expected, or you didn't and are breaking the rules now regarding positing exploits and/or rumor mongering for :reasons: The video may in fact show the *result* of POS bowling, it does not however show the exploit being initiated. Assuming that it was the exploit at issue, it would have happened at a time prior to the video you are showing as evidence. Also if true, CCP will have evidence to back that up. This is up to CCP to decide, and if they already have and you guys just don't like the answer, I can certainly sympathize, but you are gonna have to show me something a LOT more convincing before I start sharpening pitchforks and calling for blood. I am otherwise 100% in agreement, IF this is in fact an exploit, punitive and corrective actions should be handed out.
You can track the titans back to where the bump happened based on their movement. Point of impact is on the edge of the POS shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1380
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:45:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: You dont see it because you are chosing to not see it.
It is very very easy to see where the titans are moving and draw a line back to where they were.
You're saying: This footage is the result of POS Bowling. I'm saying: There's no POS Bowling in that footage.
I'm not disagreeing with the possibility that you are right. You could be correct. But there is no actual footage of POS Bowling. Which means theirs no evidence of POs Bowling. Extrapolation? Sure. But extrapolation isn't proof. |

forums forever
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:49:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Aside from the fact that we can see where the bump happened which just happens to be on the edge of the pos shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits. Did you see they lit the cyno unnecessarily close to control tower 2? That's a bannable offense. The only possible explanation is that we're dealing with an inside job here. Did you know Vee took out platinum insurance on that titan moments before it died? coincidence? You be the judge.
One reputable EVE news website accidentally posted a video of the POS bowling attack before it officially happened (check the timestamps). The footage was quickly censored to remove the first 15 seconds... what are they trying to hide? I'm the only voice of reason left here. N3 are just exploiters funding their RMT empire, so why would NCDot kill Vee's titan? They want to cover up the truth that B-R never happened, it was staged by The Mittani with the help of CCP and the NSA to enforce the BLUE DOUGHNUT. It's just like the time when DBRB caused a NODE CRASH with his DOMINIX FLEET to save an NCDOT Erebus. Wake up sheeple, It's all laid out in BOTLRD.
baltec1 wrote:You dont see it because you are chosing to not see it. -- this thread 2014 |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4488
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:51:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: You can track the titans back to where the bump happened based on their movement. Point of impact is on the edge of the POS shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.
Sure, but where is the video showing the collision between the ball and the pins? All I can see is what happened after that might have occurred. CCP can clear this up because they can recreate what happened from logged physical data, all we can do from the video we have is extrapolate.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11164
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:52:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:baltec1 wrote: You dont see it because you are chosing to not see it.
It is very very easy to see where the titans are moving and draw a line back to where they were.
You're saying: This footage is the result of POS Bowling. I'm saying: There's no POS Bowling in that footage. I'm not disagreeing with the possibility that you are right. You could be correct. But there is no actual footage of POS Bowling. Which means theirs no evidence of POS Bowling. Extrapolation? Sure. But extrapolation isn't proof.
Titans do not go 1000m/s+
we can track the titans back to the point where they bumped which is on the edge of the POS sheild.
We can work out how far the titans have moved based on the time and speed of the ships
How much more evidence do you want exactly? We have literally caught them in the act in a video. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Generic5Guy
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:55:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:[quote=baltec1][quote=PotatoOverdose][quote=baltec1]
It's been 3 weeks since that video was posted, so either you guys petitioned and it did not come out the way you expected, or you didn't and are breaking the rules now regarding positing exploits and/or rumor mongering for :reasons:
The video was made PUBLICLY viewable in the last day. None of us had seen it either. They had it private for the last 3 weeks and nobody knew the video was out there. How hard is that to understand? |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4488
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:55:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: We have literally caught them in the act in a video.
Well, first you need to actually catch them in the act on video.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:56:00 -
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Generic5Guy wrote:Doc Fury wrote:
It's been 3 weeks since that video was posted, so either you guys petitioned and it did not come out the way you expected, or you didn't and are breaking the rules now regarding positing exploits and/or rumor mongering for :reasons:
The video was made PUBLICLY viewable in the last day. None of us had seen it either. They had it private for the last 3 weeks and nobody knew the video was out there. How hard is that to understand?
This was petitioned immediately after it happened right? 3+ weeks ago? That's the important part. If not, or you don't know, you are breaking at least 2 forum rules by posting this. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1381
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:59:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: How much more evidence do you want exactly? We have literally caught them in the act in a video.
No you haven't. You might have caught them after the act.
In order to know where any collision occurred, and at what time, you would need to know the speed of every single titan in that video and the rate at which each of them decelerated. Do you know this? If not, any extrapolation you do will be woefully inaccurate.
As for how much evidence I want? I would like to see either (1) footage of the actual bump or POS-bowl taking place or (2) logged physical data from CCP. Either of those would be completely satisfactory.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11164
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:00:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:baltec1 wrote: We have literally caught them in the act in a video. Well, first you need to actually catch them in the act on video. We can see where they came from. We can see what happened. You dont need to see the bump, we can see the results and work out their positions based on their movements.
right now you are trying to defend the use of an exploit after being shown an exploit being used. Do you honestly need us to draw lines showing you the movement of these ships? Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Avon
210
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:02:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:We have literally caught them in the act in a video.
I hate to be a pedant, but your use of the word "literally" would imply that the video showed the cause rather than the consequence.
Probably is bowling .. but no way to know for sure without actually seeing it happen.
Does the cut first part of the vid exist somewhere? Wouldn't it be better to post the "proof" rather than just make people speculate as to the cause?
The fact that the video doesn't cover the whole event is likely to make people sceptical, or at least suspicious as to the motivation of this thread.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11164
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:02:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:baltec1 wrote: How much more evidence do you want exactly? We have literally caught them in the act in a video.
No you haven't. You might have caught them after the act. In order to know where any collision occurred, and at what time, you would need to know the speed of every single titan in that video and the rate at which each of them decelerated. Do you know this? If not, any extrapolation you do will be woefully inaccurate. As for how much evidence I want? I would like to see either (1) footage of the actual bump or POS-bowl taking place or (2) logged physical data from CCP. Either of those would be completely satisfactory.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:04:00 -
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Avon wrote:baltec1 wrote:We have literally caught them in the act in a video. I hate to be a pedant, but your use of the word "literally" would imply that the video showed the cause rather than the consequence. Probably is bowling .. but no way to know for sure without actually seeing it happen. Does the cut first part of the vid exist somewhere? Wouldn't it be better to post the "proof" rather than just make people speculate as to the cause? The fact that the video doesn't cover the whole event is likely to make people sceptical, or at least suspicious as to the motivation of this thread.
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Avon
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:04:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:You dont need to see the bump,
Well, you kinda do if you are touting the vid as proof.
The bump could have happened just inside or just outside of the shield .. I guess we will never know. |

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1381
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:05:00 -
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Yes I have. Your argument rests on the bump taking place while the Titan was inside the force field. You attempt to make some vague or "simple" extrapolation to that effect.
There is no bump in the video. That is indisputable. As such, we need either (1) footage of the actual bump or POS-bowl taking place or (2) logged physical data from CCP. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11164
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:09:00 -
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Avon wrote:baltec1 wrote:You dont need to see the bump, Well, you kinda do if you are touting the vid as proof. The bump could have happened just inside or just outside of the shield .. I guess we will never know.
Why would someone bump a titan into a POS rather than use their DD?
Why is it so hard for people to backtrack these ships to the point of impact?
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Avon
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:13:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Avon wrote:baltec1 wrote:You dont need to see the bump, Well, you kinda do if you are touting the vid as proof. The bump could have happened just inside or just outside of the shield .. I guess we will never know. Why would someone bump a titan into a POS rather than use their DD? Why is it so hard for people to backtrack these ships to the point of impact?
Maybe the bump was unintentional? Who knows? Got some proof?
Why is it hard to backtrack? It isn't, but equally it isn't conclusive. It is almost as if you are being intentionally evasive.
Why is it so hard to post the start of the video? |

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1381
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:13:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: Why would someone bump a titan into a POS rather than use their DD?
The same reason any number of other things happen in eve. Error, stupidity, who knows?
baltec1 wrote: Why is it so hard for people to backtrack these ships to the point of impact?
Because extrapolation isn't evidence. You could ask the entire population of Eve to extrapolate from this video, and you would get many different answers, most of them probably wrong. |
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