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The Slayer
Vasilkovsky Interstellar Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:49:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:The Slayer wrote:I mean again, nothing in this video shows that the titans butt wasn't poking out of the shields. If it was, and that is what was bumped, is that an exploit? Bumping a ship inside the safety of the shields if you do not have the pos password is an exploit and a bannable offence
Define "inside the safety of the shields" please? Does it have to be FULLY inside? What if part of it is sticking out? Show me where in the exploit notice this is clarified please. |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4497
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:49:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Doc Fury wrote:baltec1 wrote:
When you look back over the last few years you see a lot of exploits and game imbalances have been fixed thanks to our efforts. used by us.
Yeah, but that does not really have anything to do with having any irrefutable evidence to back up the OP today does it? Aside from the fact that we can see where the titans hit.
Except you can't, what you have offered up as evidence is to extrapolate data to reinforce what you believe happened. And, yes, with just that video to go on it looks bad.
Good thing CCP has actual data they can use to get to the bottom of this. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Avon
214
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:50:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
So how did the titan get bumped to over 1000m/s by other titans?
The logical conclusion would be that the titan was outside the pos shield.
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1381
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:51:00 -
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The Slayer wrote:Can we agree on three points here :
1/ Bumping a titan that is FULLY INSIDE a pos shield without a password IS an exploit
2/ Bumping a titan that is PARTIALLY OUTSIDE a pos shield i.e untargetable but ass sticking out IS NOT an exploit
3/ Bumping a titan that is FULLY OUTSIDE a pos shield i.e targetable but ass sticking out IS NOT an exploit
4/ This video does not clearly show WHICH of these situations was true, in this case. Fixed for completeness, and yes the video does not show in anyway what happened before the video began.  |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4497
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:52:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Avon wrote:Doc Fury wrote:baltec1 wrote: If it didnt get flagged by ccp this time then it wont get flagged in the future. If CCP state that this wasnt an exploit then every titan within 2km of the shield edge is fair game.
I'm trying really hard to find a downside to that if the 2km is measured from the outside edge. Considering the cyno is clearly way more than 2km from the edge of the shield ... So how did the titan get bumped to over 1000m/s by other titans?
Jovians?
Drunkeness?
Flatulence?
It was sticking out of the POS shield?
No one knows for sure but CCP and the parties who were involved. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11165
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:52:00 -
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Avon wrote:baltec1 wrote:The Slayer wrote:I mean again, nothing in this video shows that the titans butt wasn't poking out of the shields. If it was, and that is what was bumped, is that an exploit? Bumping a ship inside the safety of the shields if you do not have the pos password is an exploit and a bannable offence Would you be so kind as to get a screengrab from the vid that shows when that happened?
How about you as N3?
meanwhile we can see where the bumping incident happened just by looking at were the ships are moving. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1246
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:54:00 -
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Or of course, the edit was to protect the identity of the alt that was claimed to be used who was still warping off grid at the start of the video.
Just to present an alternate reason for the video edit.
On the goon whine, Baltec, I suggest you go and actually look up the meanings of some of the words you are using, I do not think they mean what you think. |

The Slayer
Vasilkovsky Interstellar Goonswarm Federation
92
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:55:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Avon wrote:baltec1 wrote:The Slayer wrote:I mean again, nothing in this video shows that the titans butt wasn't poking out of the shields. If it was, and that is what was bumped, is that an exploit? Bumping a ship inside the safety of the shields if you do not have the pos password is an exploit and a bannable offence Would you be so kind as to get a screengrab from the vid that shows when that happened? How about you as N3? meanwhile we can see where the bumping incident happened just by looking at were the ships are moving.
All we can see is that it occured on the edge of the shields, not on which side, not whether the titan was partially exposed or not.
Man I think you are the best Baltec you know this but you seriously sound like a 9/11 truther here. THE MISSILE POD IS RIGHT THERE ON THE UNDERSIDE OF THE PLANE WHY CAN'T YOU ALL SEE IT! |

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1381
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:55:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
meanwhile we can see where the bumping incident happened just by looking at were the ships are moving.
Or just get CCP to check the logged physical data by filing a petition. But your way is nice too I suppose... |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11165
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:57:00 -
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Avon wrote:baltec1 wrote:
So how did the titan get bumped to over 1000m/s by other titans?
The logical conclusion would be that the titan was outside the pos shield.
So why would they cyno in at zero and bump the titan towards the pos when their DD have a range of 150km?
you honestly think that is more likely than cynoing in 15km long ships at zero on the pos sheilds to reach inside to bump a bridging titan out at 1000m/s+? Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1381
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:00:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Avon wrote:baltec1 wrote:
So how did the titan get bumped to over 1000m/s by other titans?
The logical conclusion would be that the titan was outside the pos shield. So why would they cyno in at zero and bump the titan towards the pos when their DD have a range of 150km? you honestly think that is more likely than cynoing in 15km long ships at zero on the pos sheilds to reach inside to bump a bridging titan out at 1000m/s+? I emphasized the important part which indicates that none of us actually know for a fact exactly what occurred. If only there was some kind of record, a form of data used to store information about past events that occur on the server... |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4498
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:00:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Avon wrote:baltec1 wrote:
So how did the titan get bumped to over 1000m/s by other titans?
The logical conclusion would be that the titan was outside the pos shield. So why would they cyno in at zero and bump the titan towards the pos when their DD have a range of 150km? you honestly think that is more likely than cynoing in 15km long ships at zero on the pos sheilds to reach inside to bump a bridging titan out at 1000m/s+?
It does not matter which was more likely, what matters is what actually happened, and only CCP and the parties involved know that.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Rabid Disconnection
Looking for Booty C.L.O.N.E.
24
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:01:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
So why would they cyno in at zero and bump the titan towards the pos when their DD have a range of 150km?
LOL I agree with you, but I think you should spend more time addressing The Slayers concerns...
The Slayer wrote:baltec1 wrote:The Slayer wrote:Dear lord baltec you sound like a wailing pubbie. I swear, its like trying to herd cats in trying to get these people to draw a damn line. I want to know if we can get away with using this tactic if N3 can. Why the **** are you trying to persuade pubbies about us being exploited? THEY DON'T CARE. And CCP aren't going to reply on matters of policy in a thread. File a petition. God damn man.
Leaving with what I came looking for. |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1120
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:02:00 -
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Avon wrote:baltec1 wrote:
So how did the titan get bumped to over 1000m/s by other titans?
The logical conclusion would be that the titan was outside the pos shield. Then why bump it at all? Why not just lock it up and DD it like they did in the end?
There isn't anywhere near enough evidence in that video to say whether it was originally one way or the other. The evidence that is available though suggests that it's original position didn't allow it to be targeted and it needed to be bumped.
Not conclusive, but it does raise a valid question about how it actually occurred.
If it was partially outside the shield and they wanted to bump it back into the shield and through the other side, no problem. Strange, but that's EvE sometimes.
If it was inside the shield and close to the edge and the bump occurred, then if CCP have ruled that as OK, then that's good clarification for anyone else that wants to use the same approach.
If it was inside the shield and bumped and CCP eventually rule it was use of an exploit, then as usual with reimbursement requests, isn't there a way for CCP to speed up their customer service. Sometimes it's pretty poor.
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Avon
214
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:03:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
How about you as N3?
lol, desperate much?
I haven't had any affiliation with 0.0 powerblocs in a long, long time.
Mostly because of the idiocy I see in threads like this.
What doesn't the video show? The alleged exploit.
What does the video show? The location of the cyno.
The location of the cyno does not seem to fit in with the story we are meant to buy into here ... even if we draw all the pretty lines you want.
Your supposition requires an interpretation of what we can't see which does not seem to fit what we can see.
Conclusion. Video is evidence that no exploit took place. |

The Slayer
Vasilkovsky Interstellar Goonswarm Federation
92
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:10:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:If it was inside the shield and bumped and CCP eventually rule it was use of an exploit, then as usual with reimbursement requests, isn't there a way for CCP to speed up their customer service. Sometimes it's pretty poor.
Spitballing numbers here but there are what, 500k subscribers? if half of a percent of them file a reimbursement request once a week (not very unlikely) thats 2500 petitions asking for reimbursement ALONE, on top of the however many thousand others they receive. I don't imagine reimbursement requests are a 2 minute job for GMs either.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11165
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:11:00 -
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Avon wrote:baltec1 wrote:
How about you as N3?
lol, desperate much? I haven't had any affiliation with 0.0 powerblocs in a long, long time. Mostly because of the idiocy I see in threads like this. What doesn't the video show? The alleged exploit. What does the video show? The location of the cyno. The location of the cyno does not seem to fit in with the story we are meant to buy into here ... even if we draw all the pretty lines you want. Your supposition requires an interpretation of what we can't see which does not seem to fit what we can see. Conclusion. Video is evidence that no exploit took place.
So tell us all how titans with a top speed of less than 100m/s bumped eachother to 1000-2000m/s if they wernt cynoed on top of eachother. Then tell us why they bumped vees titan through the pos before they used their DD rather than use them right away. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
95
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:12:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Except you can't, what you have offered up as evidence is to extrapolate data to reinforce what you believe happened. And, yes, with just that video to go on it looks bad.
Good thing CCP has actual data they can use to get to the bottom of this.
When you have the facts on your side, argue the facts. When you have the law on your side, argue the law. When you have neither, pound the table.
Keep pounding Goontards, keep pounding.... |

The Slayer
Vasilkovsky Interstellar Goonswarm Federation
92
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:13:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:So tell us all how titans with a top speed of less than 100m/s bumped eachother to 1000-2000m/s if they wernt cynoed on top of eachother. Then tell us why they bumped vees titan through the pos before they used their DD rather than use them right away.
If the titan was not fully inside the pos shield when they cynoed in they would have bumped the part of the titan that was outside the shield. This would have caused the effect seen in the video. Or :aliens: |

Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
2362
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:16:00 -
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Rainbow Dash wrote:I think there's a reason they conveniently edited out the beginning of the video where they cyno'd in.
Yeah, does seem rather suspicious that it was cleverly edited...and clearly that was a bump because he is hitting over 1000 km/s and then is decelerating as he heads toward the edge of the field. I'd say CCP needs to take a serious look at this because someone used an exploit. |
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1120
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:16:00 -
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The Slayer wrote:Spitballing numbers here but there are what, 500k subscribers? if half of a percent of them file a reimbursement request once a week (not very unlikely) thats 2500 petitions asking for reimbursement ALONE, on top of the however many thousand others they receive. I don't imagine reimbursement requests are a 2 minute job for GMs either.
Sure, though isn't this a month old already?
I recently submitted a reimbursement request associated with the 28 Feb DDoS attack and it was reimbursed within a week.
A month seems a bit long.
Based on my reimbursement request experience (which is limited) I would think CCP have already ruled on the request and decided not to reimburse. In that case, it the ship was originally within the shield and close to the edge, then fair game for anyone that wants to do something similar.
It would be great to have to full FRAPS of it.
EDIT: The loss was on 26 March, so 20 days ago. Not a month. . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |

Ninteen Seventy-Nine
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:18:00 -
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I just wish they'd ban people for discussing open petitions and discussing exploits on the forums.
None of this belongs here and tbh I care more about the breaking of the above rules than I do about the loss of one of a bagillion titans that should probably be deleted from the servers anyways.
I don't care who you are or why you think the rules here shouldn't apply to your special snowflake selves. "The unending paradox is that we do learn through pain." |

Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
2362
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:22:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:
It would be great to have to full FRAPS of it.
Don't think that will happen, because it would show the bump and that the ship was probably clearly inside the bubble. |

Avon
215
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:23:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
So tell us all how titans with a top speed of less than 100m/s bumped eachother to 1000-2000m/s if they wernt cynoed on top of eachother. Then tell us why they bumped vees titan through the pos before they used their DD rather than use them right away.
I can make a supposition, as you have, but I can't prove it anymore than you can - the evidence isn't there.
Titans cyno in, clattering into each other as is their want. They bump vees titan which is outside of the shield when they land on-top of it, but it whizzes inside the shield before they can lock it - OHNOES!
But wait ... he isn't slowing much ... hang on guys, blap him if he exits the other side!
Point is, who knows?
I don't. You don't. CCP may (but let's face it, probably don't).
So, with a lack of evidence you can either man up and take your medicine .. or you can run around the forums with your hair on fire crying about where the bad man touched you in the hope that outrage will ensue and some poor innocent (or not) will get lynched by a frantic mob trying to save their kiddies from a nasty pedo.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1120
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:24:00 -
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Ninteen Seventy-Nine wrote:I just wish they'd ban people for discussing open petitions and discussing exploits on the forums If every forum rule-breaking post led to a ban, there would be no one here.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11165
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:24:00 -
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The Slayer wrote:baltec1 wrote:So tell us all how titans with a top speed of less than 100m/s bumped eachother to 1000-2000m/s if they wernt cynoed on top of eachother. Then tell us why they bumped vees titan through the pos before they used their DD rather than use them right away. If the titan was not fully inside the pos shield when they cynoed in they would have bumped the part of the titan that was outside the shield. This would have caused the effect seen in the video. Or :aliens:
It was fully inside, there was an EG op which is why it was online.
That aside, if we are talking about the ranges that Avon is going on about they would have popped up 30km away from the shield. That either means vees titan was very far from the sheild (which it wasnt) and they bumped him a staggering 70 km through a pos and didnt fire their DD till he was out the other side or they landed 30km away from vee and somehow bumped both him and eachother to speeds over 10 to 20 times faster than the ships top speed. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Avon
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:26:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: It was fully inside, there was an EG op which is why it was online.
I'm sure you can back that up, with a video or something, right? Because, otherwise, it is kinda like "he said, she said" |

The Slayer
Vasilkovsky Interstellar Goonswarm Federation
92
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:31:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:]It was fully inside, there was an EG op which is why it was online.
But can we agree that nowhere in the video is this made clear? Because thats my main point of contention here. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1883
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:32:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Generic5Guy wrote:Django Askulf wrote:Isnt it a little late to be crying about this now? Unless youre just trying to milk some public attention, and get some people aboard your butthurt bandwagon.
Man up, take the loss. HTFU, and STFU. Just pointing out the video, everyone deserves to judge themselves. Just to cite CCP: "Attempts to bypass the game mechanics of starbase force-fields are fully visible in server logs to CCP GamesGÇÖ staff and will result in appropriate action taken against the involved user accounts as per the EVE Online Suspension and Ban Policy from here on." Was this message approved by your Queen? Drones acting independently are considered rogues, and usually destroyed out of hand.
Heh even as drones we are still better than forum alts like yourself. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11166
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:33:00 -
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Avon wrote:baltec1 wrote: It was fully inside, there was an EG op which is why it was online.
I'm sure you can back that up, with a video or something, right? Because, otherwise, it is kinda like "he said, she said"
Fleets dont have access to the titan pos. As such you always get ships that will try to be at 0 on a bridging titan, these ships will nudge any titan into a pos sheild if it is any closer than the edge of the pos sheild. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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