https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2p2doagYpg&feature=youtu.be

Everything seems legit right?

The video is a little unclear.

If the end of his titan was sitting outside the POS (as it is commonly when bridging), then this is perfectly within the rules. This seems like what happened from the video but you can't say for certain since the footage starts too late.

On the other hand, if his ship was fully inside the pos and they abused the bump mechanics to get INSIDE the tower bubble which they did not have access to, that's the exploit. I honestly doubt this is the case, PL tested this fairly extensively (including using POS modules to increase the effect of the bump) and we could never get it to work as well as would have been needed to reach the speeds shown in this video.

What wasn't legit? His Titan drifting out of the POS? PL got a similar kill on SCUM a couple months ago.

Learn to CTRL+SPACE

And you see that the Titan's just cyno'd and bumped because they are moving 1.1km/s.

I didn't see the Titans cyno in and bump the Titan.

I see the Titans bouncing away from each other.

To quote K.com: "Did Vee get his Titan back yet?"

I didn't see the Titans cyno in and bump the Titan.

I see the Titans bouncing away from each other.

To quote K.com: "Did Vee get his Titan back yet?"

Did you report the "exploit" first before coming here to milk the drama?

Isnt it a little late to be crying about this now? Unless youre just trying to milk some public attention, and get some people aboard your butthurt bandwagon.

Man up, take the loss. HTFU, and STFU.

Just pointing out the video, everyone deserves to judge themselves.

Pretty sure this made TMC News, and Im also pretty sure the video was on Evenews24. People have already seen it. Or is this like some Riptard stuff?

evenews24 article - http://evenews24.com/2014/03/26/goon-avatar-down/
Nope no video.

themittanidot com article - http://themittani.com/news/cfc-titan-destroyed-ncdot-foul-play-suspected
Nope no video...


So you must to have been special to have seen a video on two articles that only had screen shots.

So you must to have been special to have seen a video on two articles that only had screen shots.

On a different note, Grath Telkin once said (loosely paraphrased), "Everyone wants the Goons dead, but they are all too ***** to help us do something about it."

No, Grath. We just don't like your damn coalition. Most of us are cheering for the Goons against you. This video is the kind of reason why.

Ok, yeah. There was only talk of a video. My mistake...its not like this news happened yesterday.

As was said in the comments to petition it....which Im sure happened.

So Im guessing that didnt go as well as expected, hence the tears we have here today.

Which is basically a Riptard post, hoping to stir up enough of a mess, to get better reaction from CCP.

Pretty petty, and childish, if you ask me. Be a man, take the loss, go about your day.

So we sould all allow people to get away with and continue to use an exploit?

exactly what exploit was used? could you please go in to depth about this so called exploit? I see titans bouncing off each other. last time i checked, supers/caps do bounce off each other when they cyno in to a system.

i didnt see any of the n2 pilots go into the pos, nor breach the pos field.

exactly what exploit was used? could you please go in to depth about this so called exploit? I see titans bouncing off each other. last time i checked, supers/caps do bounce off each other when they cyno in to a system.

i didnt see any of the n2 pilots go into the pos, nor breach the pos field.

exactly what exploit was used? could you please go in to depth about this so called exploit? I see titans bouncing off each other. last time i checked, supers/caps do bounce off each other when they cyno in to a system.

i didnt see any of the n2 pilots go into the pos, nor breach the pos field

Just pointing out the video, everyone deserves to judge themselves.

Just to cite CCP:

"Attempts to bypass the game mechanics of starbase force-fields are fully visible in server logs to CCP GamesGÇÖ staff and will result in appropriate action taken against the involved user accounts as per the EVE Online Suspension and Ban Policy from here on."

Not long ago CCP made a specific post about a specific action regarding bumping ships out of pos.

All anyone wants to know here is: was this a legit kill, why is the first 30 seconds or so cut from the video when they cyno in?

If they had access to the pos via spy its a legit kill, but then why bump it all the way out the other end? People just want to know the mechanics here for future reference/tactics/preparation and ofc safety.

I haven't watched this to the end yet...

Just posting to say that, as usual,
FC keeps repeating commands so often
that simple typing in textchat is actually more effective.


It's hilarious. Deaf people > idiot echoing himself 10x ...


Seriously, who in his right mind wants to listen to an idiot
who repeats himself over and over and over again?



Anyhow ...

In before the lock.

I think there's a reason they conveniently edited out the beginning of the video where they cyno'd in.

You cant see anything in that video that would remotely be called an exploit.

Also I am guessing CCP said no to Vees reimbursement due to the fact that a try hard forum warrior posted this with no actual proof

GǪaside from an otherwise impossible velocity on a ship that can only ever really be achieved through warp- or cyno-bumping, and which just so happens to coincide with a very well-known exploit to reach through POS shields.

and then we can count on pubbie trash crying about CCP kowtowing to the bad goons when these cheaters get punished

and then we can count on pubbie trash crying about CCP kowtowing to the bad goons when these cheaters get punished

You can always count on goon crying when they lose a ship.

It's what we all live for.

You can always count on goon crying when they lose a ship.

Just pointing out the video, everyone deserves to judge themselves.

Just to cite CCP:

"Attempts to bypass the game mechanics of starbase force-fields are fully visible in server logs to CCP GamesGÇÖ staff and will result in appropriate action taken against the involved user accounts as per the EVE Online Suspension and Ban Policy from here on."

and then we can count on pubbie trash crying about CCP kowtowing to the bad goons when these cheaters get punished

GǪaside from an otherwise impossible velocity on a ship that can only ever really be achieved through warp- or cyno-bumping, and which just so happens to coincide with a very well-known exploit to reach through POS shields.

We're ruining your game.

Pretty petty, and childish, if you ask me. Be a man, take the loss, go about your day.

Velocity can be achieved if part of the titan was sticking out of the POS shield and bumbed when Titans jumped in. Which is what happened here. No exploits no loop holes, just an unlucky Titan pilot that was to close to the edge of the POS shields.

yes you can be in the pos and part of your titan will still stick out, hence why he was bumped at over 1k.

Please dont let facts stop the crying about exploits and how CFC should never lose a Titan due to pilot error.

Velocity can be achieved if part of the titan was sticking out of the POS shield and bumbed when Titans jumped in.

Which is what happened here.

No exploits no loop holes

yes you can be in the pos and part of your titan will still stick out still be bumped, hence why he was bumped at over 1k.

Please dont let facts stop the

Only CCP knows what happened for sure, but after reading some of the replies I'mma going to guess that this was petitioned and is being brought to the General Drama forums only because CCPs answer was not well received.

Only CCP knows what happened for sure, but after reading some of the replies I'mma going to guess that this was petitioned and is being brought to the General Drama forums only because CCPs answer was not well received.

Wouldnt be the first time CCP ignored an exploit untill we brought it to the forums. FW isk exploit anyone?

CCP deemed capital pos bowling using this method an exploit something like 8 years ago. Now, if CCP are now going to allow this then be sure we will also start doing this.

True dat.

So, what was the result of the petition then?

Or, more likely, it was not sticking out and they deliberately picked an otherwise unnecessarily close point to the POS to jump to.

Only CCP knows what happened for sure, but after reading some of the replies I'mma going to guess that this was petitioned and is being brought to the General Drama forums only because CCPs answer was not well received.

I do love these threads. Any time an exploit is used, people throw their arms in the air screaming for justice, unless the victim of the exploit was goons, then suddenly everyone's supporting exploits.

Stop being pathetic. Exploits are exploits, regardless of who it was done by or to.

Really? It's kind of ironic then that I first learnt about POS bowling when I was in the CFC a few years back. This was at the time of the Fountain war to evict BoB. We were dicking around in Fountain and the BoB pets were all POS'ed up when Vee said on comms that he would show us how POS bowling worked, at which my little ears perked up.

He had got hold of the POS passwords through spies and we landed in the centre of a red POS. I think the idea was that we would either bump the BoB pets out or they would change the password to eject us out at high speed which would have a small chance of us colliding with the enemy ships and bumping them out at high speed.

It was all fascinating stuff :)

We were dicking around in Fountain and the BoB pets were all POS'ed up when Vee said on comms that he would show us how POS bowling worked, at which my little ears perked up.

He had got hold of the POS passwords

Guys, guys, don't cyno in too close to the hostile pos, its unnecessary! Nevermind other considerations in the heat of battle, our enemies might get upset.

Entirely possible. It doesn't make the video (and in particular its edit) any less suspect though.

Really? It's kind of ironic then that I first learnt about POS bowling when I was in the CFC a few years back. This was at the time of the Fountain war to evict BoB. We were dicking around in Fountain and the BoB pets were all POS'ed up when Vee said on comms that he would show us how POS bowling worked, at which my little ears perked up.

He had got hold of the POS passwords through spies and we landed in the centre of a red POS. I think the idea was that we would either bump the BoB pets out or they would change the password to eject us out at high speed which would have a small chance of us colliding with the enemy ships and bumping them out at high speed.

It was all fascinating stuff :)

I didn't see the Titans cyno in and bump the Titan.

I see the Titans bouncing away from each other.

To quote K.com: "Did Vee get his Titan back yet?"

Guys, guys, don't cyno in too close to the hostile pos, its unnecessary! Nevermind other considerations in the heat of battle, our enemies might get upset. That should clearly be everyone's #1 priority when dropping carriers, dreads, supers or titans on a hostile tower in a dangerous situation: not to ruffle anyone's feathers.

It has nothing to do with making people upset. It has to do with risking your own ships and your own accounts for no good reasons. Also, there's a distinct lack of heat of battle here.

So, we know for a fact then that an exploit was used, rather than say a part of a fat-ass titan was sticking out of the shield?

I assume you have logs that confirm this?

Edit: Also, for the record, I point and laugh at PL/NC. losses as much as I do for Goons. My badpoasting record speaks for itself, TYVM.

Suspect, agreed.. It's too bad the (potentially) incriminating part seems to be missing.

Eh, whenever Titans are involved, everything is 1 cyno away from a major clusterfuck, especially given the alliances involved.

That risk is enough of an element of "heat", IMO.

If it was just sticking out, they should have GÇö and could have GÇö killed it. For some odd reason, they didn't, most likely because they couldn't. If it wasn't already killable, then it was indeed an exploit.

While having that jump in footage would be hand we do infact have more than enough evidence just with ship speeds and diraction they are all moving.

Also, if a Part of a titan is sticking out of a shield, and I bump the part that's sticking out, is that an exploit? I'm actually curious about this as I don't know the answer.

Also, if a Part of a titan is sticking out of a shield, and I bump the part that's sticking out, is that an exploit? I'm actually curious about this as I don't know the answer.

If it was just sticking out, they should have GÇö and could have GÇö killed it. For some odd reason, they didn't, most likely because they couldn't. If it wasn't already killable, then it was indeed an exploit.

A Titan can be sticking out of POS but not lockable due to the size of the ship.

That's a plausible supposition, but that's all it is: a supposition.

No Evidence to confirm it whatsoever. If the video in question showed that an exploit was used, well then all of the goonposters in this thread would have a very valid point. But the video doesn't show that, does it?

Also, if a Part of a titan is sticking out of a shield, and I bump the part that's sticking out, is that an exploit? I'm actually curious about this as I don't know the answer.

The only way to smack a titan out of a POS if a tiny bit is near the POS sheilds is to cyno in a bunch of very high mass ships (other titans) onto that point. The titans are so large that they will cyno into the pos (and inside the targdt titan) which will bump the titansin opposite directions. The target titan will fly out of the pos and then can be targeted by DD. It is impossible to stop a bumped titan when its moving at 1000+km/s which is what Vee's titan was doing. It is also impossible for a titan to reach these speeds unless it gets cyno bumped by another titan.

This was deemed an exploit by CCP.

As I mention here, the bump could have happened before the titan became untargettable, at which point (as you say) it would be impossible to stop and it would coast all the way through the pos shield (as it did).

The problem is the video doesn't show the critical part of the action which would constitute an exploit. An exploit might have happened, then again it might not have happened.

Reimbursing for a might have been is not a good idea (IMO).

GǪaside from an otherwise impossible velocity on a ship that can only ever really be achieved through warp- or cyno-bumping, and which just so happens to coincide with a very well-known exploit to reach through POS shields.

You know, this whole issue could have been avoided if titans were more reasonably sized in the first place. Reducing their size by a factor of 4 would probably be the best buff CCP could ever give them.

Nah. Just make it so that anything that interacts or intersects with a POS shield on jumping (in or out) explodes instantly, leaving nothing behind, before any other physics simulation effects are calculated.

That should put a damper on things.

Nah. Just make it so that anything that interacts or intersects with a POS shield on jumping (in or out) explodes instantly, leaving nothing behind, before any other physics simulation effects are calculated.

That should put a damper on things.

Nah. Just make it so that anything that interacts or intersects with a POS shield on jumping (in or out) explodes instantly, leaving nothing behind, before any other physics simulation effects are calculated.

That should put a damper on things.

Or even better -- stay with me here -- CCP could implement some code, right, so that when you jumped to a cyno on a tower (still with me?), you spawn at least one ship radius away from the tower. AND -- get this -- all the things would spawn in DIFFERENT places, rather than all inside each other.

I know, I know. This idea is so mindbogglingly complicated that it would take the best minds at CCP several hours to implement.

Those of you that dont understand what just happened heres what:

They cut the initial bumping record, titan was by the end of the shields and they bumped it to get out from the other side.


Its an exploit. And it was used.

I like this idea. +1

Correct, except for the bit where an exploit was used. No evidence has been provided showing that the titan was in the POS at the time of the alleged bump.

Death to ALL supers.

Aside from the fact that we can see the titan flying out of the pos and that the point where all of the titans are flying from is the edge of the POS bubble.

So, yeah, umm.... If that wasn't the exploit, how the **** is it going that fast?

Yeah, except it just isn't that clear cut. If it was, the titan would have been replaced, temp bans handed out, and you and I wouldn't be having this discussion.

That being said, it's ultimately CCP's decision whether or not to hand out a frwe Titan.

This will not be the first time CCP have taken no action on people exploiting the game untill we kick up a fuss on the forums.

So, yeah, umm.... If that wasn't the exploit, how the **** is it going that fast?

Did you report the "exploit" first before coming here to milk the drama?


[edit] you might want to edit out the racially offensive language at the end of your viddy.

Eh, if those titans that bumped get a ban, I won't shed a tear.

Could've been bumped while a bit outside the POS.

No evidence has been provided to the contrary except a few people saying "Nope, it was in the pos the entire time", which really isn't evidence at all.

Aww, look at you getting in on the third floor on a only slightly-used Don Peyote meme, you must be so proud.

You just missed the chance to use the good old "I'm no big city lawyer" shtick. Had you hit that you too, you might have made it in to the cool gang. Next time for sure buddy, give it your best, we're rooting for you .

Why? Didnt matter for Sokhar

We even have video evidence of this exploit in progress.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2p2doagYpg&feature=youtu.be

Everything seems legit right?

Where is your incriminating video?

Why would they bump a titan TOWARDS a pos rather than just DD on the spot?

You can see where the bump happened just by looking at where the titans are and their speed and direction. It was the edge of the POS shield bubble, which is exactly where a bridging titan sits when it is about to bridge a fleet.

In the OP. You should read and watch these things before going on a grr goons campain. Right now you are defending an exploit, one we would be quite happy to use ourselves if N3 get away with this.

Just to play Devils advocate here : nowhere in that video does it show that Vees titan was inside the pos when they bumped it.

Oh god, more tears pls.

We're still crying about Sokhar weeks later. That's embarrassing.

Just to play Devils advocate here : nowhere in that video does it show that Vees titan was inside the pos when they bumped it.

If it wasnt in the pos they would have simply used their DD. You never bump a titan towards a POS if it is outside.

If it wasnt in the pos they would have simply used their DD. You never bump a titan towards a POS if it is outside.

i like how you, the npc alt n3 cheerleader, conveniently ignore when your team got its **** pushed in in B-R

that must have really made you upset heh

Maybe they bumped it by accident :) Nothing in this video proves otherwise.

Little do you know mittens paid for that victory to buy some moral.

Aside from the fact that we can see where the bump happened which just happens to be on the edge of the pos shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.

Could you point out the time in the video where you see exactly where the orange titan was before the footage began.

I'd be real interested to examine that bit.

Could you point out the time in the video where you see exactly where the orange titan was before the footage began.

I'd be real interested to examine that bit.

You simply look at where the titans are all moving from. The point where the bump happened can be seen simply by looking at the direction all of the ships are moving from.

Its rather shocking to see so many people willing to ignore the factthat an eploit has happened here simply because it was a goon titan that died.

You simply look at where the titans are all moving from. The point where the bump happened can be seen simply by looking at the direction all of the ships are moving from.

Its rather shocking to see so many people willing to ignore the factthat an eploit has happened here simply because it was a goon titan that died.

You simply look at where the titans are all moving from. The point where the bump happened can be seen simply by looking at the direction all of the ships are moving from.

Its rather shocking to see so many people willing to ignore the factthat an eploit has happened here simply because it was a goon titan that died.

NC.dot has been trying to declare based on a Screen shot that the titans jumped in at ranges of 100km plus

You simply look at where the titans are all moving from. The point where the bump happened can be seen simply by looking at the direction all of the ships are moving from.

Its rather shocking to see so many people willing to ignore the factthat an eploit has happened here simply because it was a goon titan that died.

Just pointing out the video, everyone deserves to judge themselves.

So somewhere in that general direction *waves hand at left side of screen*. Very nice and exact, or "simple" as you put it.

I'm not ignoring an exploit, I simply don't see it. Maybe its a simple thing for you to pinpoint the exact position of every single ship in that video at every single sever tick before the footage began.

Regrettably, I have no such ability. All I see is an orange titan moving in some vague direction toward the right of the screen.

What I am seeing is someone making a thread in GD claiming an "exploit" in the thread title to stir things up and then the OP backpedals by later saying:



It's been 3 weeks since that video was posted, so either you guys petitioned and it did not come out the way you expected, or you didn't and are breaking the rules now regarding positing exploits and/or rumor mongering for :reasons:

The video may in fact show the *result* of POS bowling, it does not however show the exploit being initiated. Assuming that it was the exploit at issue, it would have happened at a time prior to the video you are showing as evidence. Also if true, CCP will have evidence to back that up.

This is up to CCP to decide, and if they already have and you guys just don't like the answer, I can certainly sympathize, but you are gonna have to show me something a LOT more convincing before I start sharpening pitchforks and calling for blood. I am otherwise 100% in agreement, IF this is in fact an exploit, punitive and corrective actions should be handed out.

You dont see it because you are chosing to not see it.

It is very very easy to see where the titans are moving and draw a line back to where they were.

Aside from the fact that we can see where the bump happened which just happens to be on the edge of the pos shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.

You dont see it because you are chosing to not see it.

You can track the titans back to where the bump happened based on their movement. Point of impact is on the edge of the POS shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.

You're saying: This footage is the result of POS Bowling.
I'm saying: There's no POS Bowling in that footage.

I'm not disagreeing with the possibility that you are right. You could be correct.
But there is no actual footage of POS Bowling. Which means theirs no evidence of POS Bowling. Extrapolation? Sure. But extrapolation isn't proof.

[quote=baltec1][quote=PotatoOverdose][quote=baltec1]


It's been 3 weeks since that video was posted, so either you guys petitioned and it did not come out the way you expected, or you didn't and are breaking the rules now regarding positing exploits and/or rumor mongering for :reasons:

We have literally caught them in the act in a video.

The video was made PUBLICLY viewable in the last day. None of us had seen it either. They had it private for the last 3 weeks and nobody knew the video was out there. How hard is that to understand?

How much more evidence do you want exactly? We have literally caught them in the act in a video.

Well, first you need to actually catch them in the act on video.

We have literally caught them in the act in a video.

No you haven't. You might have caught them after the act.

In order to know where any collision occurred, and at what time, you would need to know the speed of every single titan in that video and the rate at which each of them decelerated. Do you know this? If not, any extrapolation you do will be woefully inaccurate.

As for how much evidence I want?
I would like to see either (1) footage of the actual bump or POS-bowl taking place or (2) logged physical data from CCP. Either of those would be completely satisfactory.

I hate to be a pedant, but your use of the word "literally" would imply that the video showed the cause rather than the consequence.

Probably is bowling .. but no way to know for sure without actually seeing it happen.


Does the cut first part of the vid exist somewhere? Wouldn't it be better to post the "proof" rather than just make people speculate as to the cause?


The fact that the video doesn't cover the whole event is likely to make people sceptical, or at least suspicious as to the motivation of this thread.

You dont need to see the bump,

Well, you kinda do if you are touting the vid as proof.

The bump could have happened just inside or just outside of the shield .. I guess we will never know.

Why would someone bump a titan into a POS rather than use their DD?

Why is it so hard for people to backtrack these ships to the point of impact?

Why would someone bump a titan into a POS rather than use their DD?

Why is it so hard for people to backtrack these ships to the point of impact?

I hate to be a pedant, but your use of the word "literally" would imply that the video showed the cause rather than the consequence.

Probably is bowling .. but no way to know for sure without actually seeing it happen.


Does the cut first part of the vid exist somewhere? Wouldn't it be better to post the "proof" rather than just make people speculate as to the cause?


The fact that the video doesn't cover the whole event is likely to make people sceptical, or at least suspicious as to the motivation of this thread.

Maybe the bump was unintentional? Who knows?
Got some proof?

Why is it hard to backtrack? It isn't, but equally it isn't conclusive.
It is almost as if you are being intentionally evasive.

Why is it so hard to post the start of the video?

Dear lord baltec you sound like a wailing pubbie.

I swear, its like trying to herd cats in trying to get these people to draw a damn line.

I want to know if we can get away with using this tactic if N3 can.

We can see where they came from. We can see what happened. You dont need to see the bump, we can see the results and work out their positions based on their movements.

right now you are trying to defend the use of an exploit after being shown an exploit being used. Do you honestly need us to draw lines showing you the movement of these ships?

I swear, its like trying to herd cats in trying to get these people to draw a damn line.

I want to know if we can get away with using this tactic if N3 can.

Why the **** are you trying to persuade pubbies about us being exploited? THEY DON'T CARE.

And CCP aren't going to reply on matters of policy in a thread. File a petition. God damn man.

Yes, if someone posts a video of roughly the same type as in the OP that doesn't show you actually breaking any rules, but does show you killing an N3 titan, I will have a thorough laugh at the loser's expense.

Not that my opinion matters. Really only CCP's opinion matters, and they have access to the logged physical data. Maybe you should petition it, although I'm guessing you already did at the time and didn't like their answer. If that's true, it really doesn't bode well for your case, does it?

Generally this is the only way they will respond. Just look at that godawful E1 ragenought as an example.

If thats the case then we have a green light to bump titans out of POS.

Generally this is the only way they will respond. Just look at that godawful E1 ragenought as an example.

We can, with 100% accuracy see where the ships collided based on their movement.

Good luck storming the castle!

Also - Does anyone have a link to where CCP actually state that this is an exploit. .

When you look back over the last few years you see a lot of exploits and game imbalances have been fixed thanks to our efforts.

When you look back over the last few years you see a lot of exploits and game imbalances have been fixed thanks to our efforts. used by us.

That's not what I said but OK. You have my approval to bump titans, for whatever **** that's worth lol.

Yeah, but that does not really have anything to do with having any irrefutable evidence to back up the OP today does it?

If it didnt get flagged by ccp this time then it wont get flagged in the future. If CCP state that this wasnt an exploit then every titan within 2km of the shield edge is fair game.

If it didnt get flagged by ccp this time then it wont get flagged in the future. If CCP state that this wasnt an exploit then every titan within 2km of the shield edge is fair game.

If it didnt get flagged by ccp this time then it wont get flagged in the future. If CCP state that this wasnt an exploit then every titan within 2km of the shield edge is fair game.

I'm trying really hard to find a downside to that if the 2km is measured from the outside edge.

I mean again, nothing in this video shows that the titans butt wasn't poking out of the shields. If it was, and that is what was bumped, is that an exploit?

Bumping a ship inside the safety of the shields if you do not have the pos password is an exploit and a bannable offence

Considering the cyno is clearly way more than 2km from the edge of the shield ...

Bumping a ship inside the safety of the shields if you do not have the pos password is an exploit and a bannable offence

Aside from the fact that we can see where the titans hit.

So how did the titan get bumped to over 1000m/s by other titans?

Can we agree on three points here :

1/ Bumping a titan that is FULLY INSIDE a pos shield without a password IS an exploit

2/ Bumping a titan that is PARTIALLY OUTSIDE a pos shield i.e untargetable but ass sticking out IS NOT an exploit

3/ Bumping a titan that is FULLY OUTSIDE a pos shield i.e targetable but ass sticking out IS NOT an exploit

4/ This video does not clearly show WHICH of these situations was true, in this case.

So how did the titan get bumped to over 1000m/s by other titans?

Would you be so kind as to get a screengrab from the vid that shows when that happened?

How about you as N3?

meanwhile we can see where the bumping incident happened just by looking at were the ships are moving.

meanwhile we can see where the bumping incident happened just by looking at were the ships are moving.

The logical conclusion would be that the titan was outside the pos shield.

So why would they cyno in at zero and bump the titan towards the pos when their DD have a range of 150km?

you honestly think that is more likely than cynoing in 15km long ships at zero on the pos sheilds to reach inside to bump a bridging titan out at 1000m/s+?

So why would they cyno in at zero and bump the titan towards the pos when their DD have a range of 150km?

you honestly think that is more likely than cynoing in 15km long ships at zero on the pos sheilds to reach inside to bump a bridging titan out at 1000m/s+?

So why would they cyno in at zero and bump the titan towards the pos when their DD have a range of 150km?

Why the **** are you trying to persuade pubbies about us being exploited? THEY DON'T CARE.

And CCP aren't going to reply on matters of policy in a thread. File a petition. God damn man.

The logical conclusion would be that the titan was outside the pos shield.

How about you as N3?