Why becouse POS bashing was so much fun? So lets go Poco bashing instead? It's retared.

CCP you did this all wrong and basically lied to people even during the 'we want your feedback!!!!' phase. Pretty damn insulting.

Been playing many years but this just made up my mind. Just signed up for SWTOR. Can't wait. If its any good - sorry - goodbye eve - tired of CCP pretending to care.

FYI doing this right as your new competition coming out is pretty damn dumb of you.

I'm in full agreement on the communication failure.

Not that anything would have changed.

People would have screamed for weeks and not attempted to understand the reason it was necessary, statues would have been shot, people would have threatened to leave over it.

But even though it would have been a ridiculous little slice of hell at least CCP wouldn't have been accused of dropping the communication ball again.

Everyone HTFU

Higher taxes mean that in order for people to make money they'll need to sell their PI at more than it costs to make the stuff. This will interrupt supply and demand and raise the price of PI naturally. Eventually highsec PI people will still make money doing it. They'll just pay higher taxes and charge more for their stuff.

The vast majority of PI is done in highsec so prices will normalize based on highsec supply and demand. Everyone in low and nullsec who actually bother to do PI will just set their prices based on what they are in highsec anyway.

This really helps out lowsec where the people who actually live out there can do PI out of their own offices and actually make good money off of it. OR they can set up a public office and charge people to use it, this might actually make them more welcoming of highsec carebears coming into their space.

In nullsec PI was pretty dead already, Sometimes people would make POS fuel, (mechanical parts, coolant, construction blocks) But the new POS pellets pretty much killed that off. But with PI actually being valuable now people might start doing it and trying to ship it down to jita. Plus this will give Jump Freighter and Transport Ship pilots something to do other than selling T2 modules for more than they are worth in highsec.

If highsec carebears want to get rich quick and dodge the taxes then find some lowsec system 1 jump out of highsec. Then set up your own tax free private PI office. And get mining.

Gameplay pro tip: find a lowsec system without a station, it'll have fewer people in it.

If someone shoots at your PI office then get your corp / alliance people together and fight them off.

Yeah you can get shot at in lowsec, and so can your office. And unlike a wardeck you can't just dock up until the bad people go away.

If you are willing to take a risk there are more rewards. And that's Eve.

On a related note a tax rate based on market value is a far better, healthier dynamic than based on an arbitrary (low ball) fictitious value that remains static.

The main point of these changes is as obvious as it is simple. That being to provide incentive to take chances on low sec PI POCO's. Note I did not say force.

A person will make roughly what they did before this patch doing High Sec PI once the prices stabilize.
A person will make slightly better money, despite a somewhat higher tax rate, by doing Low Sec PI via Interbus.
A person will make a much better profit margin putting up their own POCO.

The overall value of PI products goes up significantly, which is important for EVE and DUST.
The overall value of planets with existing infrastructure (at this point a POCO) goes up significantly, which is important for EVE and DUST.
Another point of conflict is produced, which is important for everyone.

Individual PI producers have free but taxed customs offices that cannot be blown up. This encourages them to work on basic raw material production, or purchasing the raw materials to make high tier items. It becomes trickier to produce the whole P4 chain from start to finish profitably. Consequently the granularity of pricing between the different tiers of PI products becomes more defined.

I'm glad you agree with me that the chances of someone having a lark blowing up your POCO in Low Sec just for the "fun" of doing it is not as high as people are making it out to be.

I don't get "free but taxed customs offices". Nor "that cannot be blown up". Unless you've switched to talking about hisec?

CCP is lucky because SWTOR is SO MUCH FAIL.

very very lucky indeed.

There not going to do it for fun. The power blocks will do it to Monoplize PI. When they fig out how all the cards are in there hands and learn to pull the new strings handed to them.

That's the concern.

And it would actually be fine, if it were an unstable, contestable situation.

CCP is lucky because SWTOR is SO MUCH FAIL.

very very lucky indeed.

So you now say this was deliberate, yet the insane tax increase was never mentioned to us in advance? Not in the blog certainly and not even in the patch notes. Both state:

"All high security Customs Offices are transferred to CONCORD who will charge doubled import and export taxes"

Where did you tell us in advance that by 'doubled' you mean 'multiplied by 100'?

Nowhere. And why not?

Hoping it would slide under the radar somehow with people giddy over the true good changes in the expansion? I think this is going to go very badly for you. Cool new things people get used to fast, fail things like this that effect people's 'wallet' directly tend to not fade away.

CCP release Dev Blogs, about feature's that are in development, and players then complain that when the feature is released it wasn't exactly the same as mentioned.

CCP develops new features without reveiling them to players, and the players complain that they had no oportunity to give feedback.

But yes, CCP could have followed up the Dev Blog, or an update to the original to explain the new changes. When I want to know what CCP is developing that is where I look, finding a Dev post on P24 of a forum thread is a little difficult.

Is there any way CCP can win?

CCP release Dev Blogs, about feature's that are in development, and players then complain that when the feature is released it wasn't exactly the same as mentioned.

CCP develops new features without reveiling them to players, and the players complain that they had no opportunity to give feedback.

Is there any way CCP can win?

But yes, CCP could have followed up the Dev Blog, or an update to the original to explain the new changes. When I want to know what CCP is developing that is where I look, finding a Dev post on p24 of a forum thread is a little difficult.

All the changes you see here are designed to:

1) Force people to leave Hi Sec

2) Force people into larger corporations ... because smaller ones will just get lunched in Lo Sec and can't even exist in Null Sec without the permission of an alliance.


Typically - neither of those two things is going to happen.

This is probably asking a bit much. Would someone from CCP be able to respond to us at least? This is the eve information portal. I think a lot of us are STILL raising valid points, and no one (not even the "tears are delicious" people) has been able to refute them or make anyone feel any sort of reassurance that you know what you're doing.

I think its a good change, making the tax based of in game market prices is good for our sandbox.

However the miscommunication about the goods value changing as well was just going to make the carebears cry. Then again anything that hurts their profits makes them cry.

I think i speak for us all when i say i can't wait for you to leave.

Interesting since several people in Beta have told me it rocks... Who know of course but definitely worth a look I guess since CCP back to it's old "style". Just my opinion. I can't imagine not playing Eve, but **** happens. Not gonna play where I don't think I am respected.

If the taxes are hard, please stop doing PI so I can make even more ISK.

The market will find prices that incentivise creative solutions. Think low sec cartels, actually defending PCO's, etc...

I would say shame on the whiners, but they are fairly entertaining in a sad pitiful way.

idk what ccp try'd but hell Highsec PI is making more money then ever.... im Happy!

They have replied - front page of eve:

"Our developers have confirmed that the tax rates match the design specifications."

Nothing about how they lied after stating in every dev blog AND the patch notes the increase was doubling what we paid before. Just insulting mumbo gumbo.

All they seem to want now is to stop having to deal with petitions on it, not addressing the fact they lied or purposely withheld the true changes they knew they were inflicting on us... for DUST. Eve pays again for another of their game ideas. Didn't they just recently apologize for this ****?

OLD CCP IS BACK already it seems.

I myself and those I know are submitting petitions to demand accountability if only thru the nightmare of having to reply to each of us - as they DESERVE. Something that effects THEM instead of US.