I've been here since beta and I think they do a fine job adding new content to the game. It's hardly recognizable from the beta days. Sure we all want more, but it's much easier to ask for more then it is to provide it in any balanced fashion.

I don't think creating a kickstarter would cost CCP much, and if we get WiS out of it that would be amazing. Even if the kickstarter flops perhaps there could be other ideas floated for a kickstarter.. things people in Eve want but that simply cost too much to tackle or require dedicated resources. (take a look at the ideas and suggestions form, there is no end to interesting ideas people have for this game.)

Just jumping up and down and yelling "tears!!!" "lies!!" seems to be your thing, huh?

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TL, but sadly did read...

I just love the way you goons rush to defend each other

It's been said plenty of times, by plenty of people drawn from plenty of credible reliable sources (including ccp sources) that people rioted about the greed is good memo, incarna went into freefall because of the plans for the obnoxious pay to win store plus the community didn't want the same nex store selling stuff that wasn't made in game by an industrialist anywhere.

CCP started working on spaceships, and there was much rejoicing.

Spaceship #1

Spaceship #2

Spaceship #3

I can see why you were much rejoiced. You raged and usubbed for them to "work on EVE"... and they wrote you an apology letter and hired CCP Fozzie and Rise to mess with +1's and -1's for you.... while working on other games

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Job creation and done by private investment? This is somehow a bad thing?

The memo didn't get leaked till the threadnaughts were long since into full swing. Maybe the third or fourth day? I don't remember specifically. People had been angry that no development was being done on FiS for 2 years.

You're selectively quoting history to try to force some idea that WiS itself wasn't the issue. It was an issue, along with it's actual implementation.

What are you even doing here? You must realise that CCP know this, right?

If you want to affect change then you aren't going to do it by going "LALALALALALALALALAL!" and ignoring the issues with trying to proceed.
CCP know why they threw away 2 years of development and abandoned the whole project, and it's not because of the Greed is Good memo. If CCP thought that the only problem was the potential introduction of micro-transactions, they would have simply promised to never do them and continued with the WiS development. This is pretty basic, right? You don't throw away millions of dollars of development to fix a problem that doesn't exist?
People wanted CCP to work on spaceships. CCP started working on spaceships, and there was much rejoicing. Your willful ignorance to believe anything else was the issue won't convince anyone here, and it won't convince CCP who know the facts of the situation from handing out pink-slips to 20% of their friends.

Oh boy... more fallacy deconstruction... not right now plz.

If incarna was an unwanted feature and the source of all the rage, how come ccp caved into pressure to release the other three non minmatar captain's quarters in the next expansion, if incarna was an unwanted feature?

Having friends is a foreign concept to you?

Because most of the work on them was already done and they were hoping it would shut people like you up.

You lost faith in something thats happening continuously and is unavoidable to come into contact with?

I suppose the moon was faked by NASA too huh

Well if there was enough of us to require shutting up, then clearly there's enough demand for avatar content.

I just wonder if all these anti-WiS people posting here even bothered to read the title of this thread. Thats right, WiS pledge fundrising. Cmon, grow some ballz and drop your pledges or go spam anti-WiS goon propaganda somewhere else.

+$150 for WiS+Legion+Valkyrie on Unreal4 without pay2win

I pledge one trillion Rhesbux for some wizard pants.

Youareatinybutvocalminority.

It's been said plenty of times, by plenty of people drawn from plenty of credible reliable sources (including ccp sources) that people rioted about the greed is good memo, incarna went into freefall because of the plans for the obnoxious pay to win store plus the community didn't want the same nex store selling stuff that wasn't made in game by an industrialist anywhere.

It's kind of understandable in its way, it was a perfect storm of a number of really bad decisions, all in a very tight timeframe; many of which, in isolation, would never have caused the storm it did (after all, the "18 months" statement had been a year prior, but set up the pile of gasoline-coated tinder that the captains quarters, NeX store, 1000$ jeans, and 'Greed is Good' ignited). So now, in retrospect, it makes sense that most people only remember the thing that caused them to add their voice to the cacophony, and selectively forget the things that they themselves either didn't care about, or actually partially liked.

18 months - Set the stage by creating an undercurrent of neglect in EvE, and creating an expectation of WiS ("we better get something worth the loss of 18 months of EvE developement")
The one room - Showed a massive under-performance in realising the "dream"
No meaningful gameplay - Showing a complete lack of listening to the playerbases concerns over WiS
NeX - The introduction of the much-hated microtransactions, and showing CCP fundamentally ignored playerbase desires in WiS (player-made clothes was the one most-talked about feature).
Melted Graphics Cards - Evoked a scare that a vast number of EvE players were about to be excluded through a huge technological jump
Ship Spinning - Minor, but showed a detachment from the playerbase
Monacles - Showed a fundamental misunderstanding of the term "micro"
$1000 jeans - Displayed a fundamental dissonance between the players and developers
Greed is Good - Showed a corporate direction that was a radical departure from what people expected
The Memo - Showed a disdain at the management level for players opinions on the matter

And all that is interconnected to WiS. If you ripped WiS out of the body, all those cancers would be attached to it. They attempted to revolve the whole development direction around it, and to milk us for every nickle and dime out of our pockets. The focal point was WiS.

If incarna was an unwanted feature and the source of all the rage, how come ccp caved into pressure to release the other three non minmatar captain's quarters in the next expansion, if incarna was an unwanted feature?

Is that the currency they use in Second Lyfe these days?

Case in point: this thread. It's reached 14 pages of A WHOLE TWO of you trying to perform some revisionist history and drum up interest.