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Kyon Rheyne
Frisky cancers
29
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Posted - 2014.05.07 10:33:00 -
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I can't bolster of such a good financial state as topicstarter, but I could donate a PLEX for it (As if subscription fee isn't enough, shame on you, CCP!) |
Kyon Rheyne
Frisky cancers
29
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Posted - 2014.05.07 10:40:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote: Because most of us WiS enthusiasts have already given up on the concept for the time beeing
This is it. In fact, I've I only recently learned that it was completely dropped. I thought before that this riot in Jita was ignited by attempts to introduce microtransactions in "pay to win" manner, not by WiS in general. So many players don't attend to forums, and so much of those who do care about nothing beyond another shiny ship model (as if there are not enough of them in the game already; srsly, I never used more then one third of them) |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1376
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:39:00 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Lots of stuff.
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I agree completely, though some of the posters in this and other threads do their best to lay the entire blame for the summer rage at the door of avatar content in eve. That's something that I like to point out as factually incorrect.
I have said in other posts that I hope Legion brings in some meaningful gameplay that in some way bridges the gap between what we have now and eventual avatar content. I certainly don't expect CCP to drop everything and develop WIS in a totally new direction that is contrary to the current plans.
I do support avatar content and look forward to the day that it arrives fully in eve (probably via occulus rift or something similar) and I accept that it's a long way off, given how the competition is doing though when it comes to creating meaningful gameplay with ever more sophisticated game engines and better graphics, I think that avatar gameplay is something that CCP will have to do whether it's in an entirely separate game that links to the Eve spaceship game or directly within the client I'm not sure. Given how development is going at the moment with the other games I imagine that it will be a separate thing with a shared login.
I will say that many of the WIS supporters do feel that the anger over the nex store as well as the other factors mentioned in your post was hijacked by a vocal minority that want eve to be only about spaceships. I share this sentiment but will happily change my mind if I am mistaken.
Anyhow CCP don't see the future as a company that only offers the public internet spaceships and thank god, because they've got something really special here in the form of the Eve online universe becoming a full sci fi simulator and I support that as every company needs multiple sources of revenue and needs to appeal to more than a narrow demographic of people that like internet spaceships. there's nothing wrong with getting the twitch space combat enthusiasts or the fps crowd to enter the Eve universe.
It's big enough for everybody. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1376
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:41:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Rhes wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:If incarna was an unwanted feature and the source of all the rage, how come ccp caved into pressure to release the other three non minmatar captain's quarters in the next expansion, if incarna was an unwanted feature?
Because most of the work on them was already done and they were hoping it would shut people like you up. Well if there was enough of us to require shutting up, then clearly there's enough demand for avatar content. You are a tiny but vocal minority.
just like the last cluster of functioning brain cells in your tiny mind. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1376
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:43:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:If incarna was an unwanted feature and the source of all the rage, how come ccp caved into pressure to release the other three non minmatar captain's quarters in the next expansion, if incarna was an unwanted feature? If by "caved into pressure" you mean "completed work that was almost ready to ship in Incarna" then, er, yes? Are you still of the belief CCP threw millions of dollars and 2 years out the window to fix a problem that didn't exist? Again, in either version of your narrative CCP could/would continue with WiS minus the micro-transactions. Ohhhhhhh.. Wait. It's almost like they didn't do that because no one wanted it, huh? I guess when CCP said "We are giving you what you want, a re-focus on spaceships" What they really meant was "We refuse to work on the anticipated WiS features for literally no reason, and will instead work on spaceships" And I also assume the cheers from the crowd at that point were boos that CCP had edited with some wizardry to make it seem like people didn't want WiS. I guess all the forum posts celebrating the 180 were just CCP posting on alts to cover up for the fact the players were outraged CCP had abandoned WiS. As Rhes said, the people who actually want WiS are a small (very noisy) minority. Case in point: this thread. It's reached 14 pages of A WHOLE TWO of you trying to perform some revisionist history and drum up interest.
No, there's a whole Two of you trying to shout down any support for WIS.
Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
25564
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:51:00 -
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Kyon Rheyne wrote:This is it. In fact, I've I only recently learned rthat it was completely dropped. I thought before that this riot in Jita was ignited by attempts to introduce microtransactions in "pay to win" manner, not by WiS in general. So many players don't attend to forums, and so much of those who do care about nothing beyond another shiny ship model (as if there are not enough of them in the game already; srsly, I never used more then one third of them) Because CCP is big in taking all the wrong hints/learning all the wrong lessons... but they'll come around eventually... if only to stay in the race for best "complete scifie experience"... and in the end, it neither will mater what people like Rhes want, nore what we have to say about it, it only will matter what CCP wants the EVE frenchise to be.
Food of thought: Doesn't anybody find it oddly convenient that CCP, suddenly pushes towards a unified EVE game experience on PC, complete with (VR) space fighter and FPS combat, just as RSI's Star Citizen starts to really spin up development? "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3979
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Posted - 2014.05.07 21:29:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:
Food of thought: Doesn't anybody find it oddly convenient that CCP, suddenly pushes towards an unified EVE game experience on PC, complete with (VR) space fighter and FPS combat, just as RSI's Star Citizen starts to really spin up development?
No
Track record of brain-child-haver says SC will be stillborn or at least suffer massive brain damage on delivery
Ive heard this tlak about EvE for the past 6 years "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
25565
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Posted - 2014.05.07 21:33:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:No
Track record of brain-child-haver says SC will be stillborn or at least suffer massive brain damage on delivery
Ive heard this tlak about EvE for the past 6 years I hve to politly disagree there... but that's ok. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1376
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:17:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Kyon Rheyne wrote:This is it. In fact, I've I only recently learned rthat it was completely dropped. I thought before that this riot in Jita was ignited by attempts to introduce microtransactions in "pay to win" manner, not by WiS in general. So many players don't attend to forums, and so much of those who do care about nothing beyond another shiny ship model (as if there are not enough of them in the game already; srsly, I never used more then one third of them) Because CCP is big in taking all the wrong hints/learning all the wrong lessons... but they'll come around eventually... if only to stay in the race for best "complete scifie experience"... and in the end, it neither will mater what people like Rhes want, nore what we have to say about it, it only will matter what CCP wants the EVE frenchise to be. Food of thought: Doesn't anybody find it oddly convenient that CCP, suddenly pushes towards an unified EVE game experience on PC, complete with (VR) space fighter and FPS combat, just as RSI's Star Citizen starts to really spin up development?
Hilmar must be crying in his beer, as eve was the original star citizen, especially as it has crowd funded twice the cost of wod that he's just written off. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1376
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:19:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Shalua Rui wrote:
Food of thought: Doesn't anybody find it oddly convenient that CCP, suddenly pushes towards an unified EVE game experience on PC, complete with (VR) space fighter and FPS combat, just as RSI's Star Citizen starts to really spin up development?
No Track record of brain-child-haver says SC will be stillborn or at least suffer massive brain damage on delivery Ive heard this tlak about EvE for the past 6 years
I agree with Ramona on this one, I think sc has been so heavily hyped that it can only disappoint on release.
Assuming it ever gets released. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
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Naomi Hale
Children of New Eden
235
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Posted - 2014.05.08 04:31:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Shalua Rui wrote:
Food of thought: Doesn't anybody find it oddly convenient that CCP, suddenly pushes towards an unified EVE game experience on PC, complete with (VR) space fighter and FPS combat, just as RSI's Star Citizen starts to really spin up development?
No Track record of brain-child-haver says SC will be stillborn or at least suffer massive brain damage on delivery Ive heard this tlak about EvE for the past 6 years I agree with Ramona on this one, I think sc has been so heavily hyped that it can only disappoint on release. Assuming it ever gets released.
Plus it seems to rely on players having high-end gaming PCs, Oculus Rift headsets and large amounts of disposable income (given the size of pledges they want, $50 to $15,000, who the hell...).
I've noticed over the years that the more successful mmos usually run well on bare bones pcs. Until recently the strongest graphics card I had was a GTX 260M (yes M) and it just wasn't worth playing some mmos as they either ran poorly or had the graphics set so low they looked terrible, and few of them have the gameplay to make up the difference.
While Star Citizen looks great and has some nice ideas I don't think it's going to be as big a hit as it's hyped to be. I'm Naomi Hale and this is my favourite thread on the forums. |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
397
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Posted - 2014.05.08 08:49:00 -
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The other thing with Star Citizen is that it sets up an uncomfortable situation. I've heard some say that if SC succeeds at providing what it promises, EvE is in trouble due to a lack of avatar content. Oddly, I think there is a very different way to look at it.
Far worse than EvE having no avatar content while SC has lots, is the possibility that EvE goes toe-to-toe with SC on avatar play, and comes out second. At least in the first instance, EvE has its spaceship game, and metagame angles to continue to work their existing customer base. But chasing the same star as SC would involve a massive use of resources, and a potential negative effect on the spaceship game (and metagame through lost subs in the sectors of the playerbase that pushes the metagame), all for nothing if SC still came out ahead on avatar play, as those players who want avatar play will go where it is best, giving EvE nothing for coming in second place.
In the scheme of things, EvE is much healthier bolstering their existing playerbase, and trusting in SC catering to a very different playerbase they can't hope to compete for anyway (or just flat out never appearing). I'm not saying EvE should never chase the potential for avatar play, but the way to do that is definitely not setting themselves up for failure in a straight race with SC. |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3075
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:29:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:If incarna was an unwanted feature and the source of all the rage, how come ccp caved into pressure to release the other three non minmatar captain's quarters in the next expansion, if incarna was an unwanted feature? If by "caved into pressure" you mean "completed work that was almost ready to ship in Incarna" then, er, yes? Are you still of the belief CCP threw millions of dollars and 2 years out the window to fix a problem that didn't exist? Again, in either version of your narrative CCP could/would continue with WiS minus the micro-transactions. Ohhhhhhh.. Wait. It's almost like they didn't do that because no one wanted it, huh? I guess when CCP said "We are giving you what you want, a re-focus on spaceships" What they really meant was "We refuse to work on the anticipated WiS features for literally no reason, and will instead work on spaceships" And I also assume the cheers from the crowd at that point were boos that CCP had edited with some wizardry to make it seem like people didn't want WiS. I guess all the forum posts celebrating the 180 were just CCP posting on alts to cover up for the fact the players were outraged CCP had abandoned WiS. As Rhes said, the people who actually want WiS are a small (very noisy) minority. Case in point: this thread. It's reached 14 pages of A WHOLE TWO of you trying to perform some revisionist history and drum up interest. No, there's a whole Two of you trying to shout down any support for WIS. Yes, conveniently ignore the rest of my post and the actual events of the time which demonstrated support for WiS was almost zero across the whole playerbase. You know what? Have your little beliefs. If you want to believe WiS was a great idea and CCP threw away a much-wanted feature and years of dev time for no reason, go ahead. I won't stop you anymore.
Except, you don't really believe this, and I don't believe you believe this, you're just attached to your argument and want to try to get the last word, even if it's of the calibre of "TEARS!" or "No U!" like the rest of them.
I do wonder why, if you honestly want WiS to happen, you would refuse facts and jump around yelling stuff you know to be nonsense. My theories as to why this is the only method you can take wouldn't be postable to Eve-O, however
I'll say what I said pages ago: If you want WiS to happen, you need to make a cogent argument for it. Pretending everyone loved it really guys (something CCPs own metrics show to be false) and "I pinky swear to give you -ú500 after you spend years making it -NPC alt" aren't going to actually get you anywhere. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15380
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:31:00 -
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Sometimes it's difficult to accept that bad, unfair things happen to people who don't deserve it. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans
426
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:40:00 -
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I have not read all the posts in this thread so if I state something someone else has already mentioned, I apologize.
Know my thoughts on WiS.
I do feel that CCP needs to offer this for Eve Online in the future for it to keep growing and evolving. With that said.
I do believe with CCP announcing Project Legion, that this is the first step in that direction. If CCP allows the player to use his/her character either in Eve Online or Project Legion then this is the beginning of WiS.
Let CCP get Project Legion going on the PC & if this takes off & interest is there for it, then logically the next step would be to allow your character to walk in stations.
I only hope that this is CCP's long term goal with Project Legion. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15381
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:50:00 -
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So if your friend came up to you all sad and dejected and said that he really liked this girl but that she hadn't returned any of his calls or texts or emails or flowers for a year, what would you advise him to do? "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15381
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:51:00 -
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Oh and the last time she did speak to him, it was to tell him that they should just be friends and she was going to be really busy for a while. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
397
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:54:00 -
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She is just playing hard to get right? |
Dave Stark
5374
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:55:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:So if your friend came up to you all sad and dejected and said that he really liked this girl but that she hadn't returned any of his calls or texts or emails or flowers for a year, what would you advise him to do?
i'd advise him to tell some one that cares. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5510
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:58:00 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:She is just playing hard to get right? Right?
Naw, she's just being coy, biding her time until either he comes-up with a grand gesture, or, the restraining order is approved.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3995
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:58:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:So if your friend came up to you all sad and dejected and said that he really liked this girl but that she hadn't returned any of his calls or texts or emails or flowers for a year, what would you advise him to do?
Bombard her with petitions and write to her parents demanding that she change her attitude or you will stop paying for the flowers you keep sending her. "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Ray Kyonhe
Ray's Relentless Research Special Circumstances Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.05.08 15:07:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote: Yes, conveniently ignore the rest of my post and the actual events of the time which demonstrated support for WiS was almost zero across the whole playerbase. You know what? Have your little beliefs. If you want to believe WiS was a great idea and CCP threw away a much-wanted feature and years of dev time for no reason, go ahead. I won't stop you anymore.
You are not the playerbase (not its significant part for shure), your friends to whom you are refering as "the whole playerbase" also just a tiny fraction of it. And if it comes to that neither I nor other WiS supporters here (see? there are already three of us!) can speak for playerbase (at least I understand this, how about you?). We all just an insignificant part of it granted with too much spare time, wasting it in not very rational way. Until CCP have conducted a survey among all the acitve players - and that can only be done by means of a game client, it should present a quick selection of questions about future of WiS each time it starts, for example - until that no one can possibly measure amount of WiS supporters/antagonists amongst the playerbase. Do you think another blob in Jita which your alliance are famous for anyway will show it? It will only show your determination worthy of a better cause. |
Literally Space Moses
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
79
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:00:00 -
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Ray Kyonhe wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote: Yes, conveniently ignore the rest of my post and the actual events of the time which demonstrated support for WiS was almost zero across the whole playerbase. You know what? Have your little beliefs. If you want to believe WiS was a great idea and CCP threw away a much-wanted feature and years of dev time for no reason, go ahead. I won't stop you anymore.
You are not the playerbase (not its significant part for shure), your friends to whom you are refering as "the whole playerbase" also just a tiny fraction of it. And if it comes to that neither I nor other WiS supporters here (see? there are already three of us!) can speak for playerbase (at least I understand this, how about you?). We all just an insignificant part of it granted with too much spare time, wasting it in not very rational way. Until CCP have conducted a survey among all the acitve players - and that can only be done by means of a game client, it should present a quick selection of questions about future of WiS each time it starts, for example - until that no one can possibly measure amount of WiS supporters/antagonists amongst the playerbase. Do you think another blob in Jita which your alliance are famous for anyway will show it? It will only show your determination worthy of a better cause.
I'm pretty sure the jita riots and the cancelled subs proved our point when Incarna came out. #T2013 |
Ray Kyonhe
Ray's Relentless Research Special Circumstances Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:08:00 -
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Literally Space Moses wrote: I'm pretty sure the jita riots and the cancelled subs proved our point when Incarna came out.
That you shouldn't go to extremes? Yes, it did. And cancelling WiS altogether with Incarna project became just another extreme we are trying to avoid. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3998
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:11:00 -
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Ray Kyonhe wrote:Literally Space Moses wrote: I'm pretty sure the jita riots and the cancelled subs proved our point when Incarna came out.
That you shouldn't go to extremes? Yes, it did. And cancelling WiS altogether with Incarna project became just another extreme we are trying to avoid.
Jita riots were about microtransactions, not WiS "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3077
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:26:00 -
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Ray Kyonhe wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote: Yes, conveniently ignore the rest of my post and the actual events of the time which demonstrated support for WiS was almost zero across the whole playerbase. You know what? Have your little beliefs. If you want to believe WiS was a great idea and CCP threw away a much-wanted feature and years of dev time for no reason, go ahead. I won't stop you anymore.
You are not the playerbase (not its significant part for shure), your friends to whom you are refering as "the whole playerbase" also just a tiny fraction of it. And if it comes to that neither I nor other WiS supporters here (see? there are already three of us!) can speak for playerbase (at least I understand this, how about you?). We all just an insignificant part of it granted with too much spare time, wasting it in not very rational way. Until CCP have conducted a survey among all the acitve players - and that can only be done by means of a game client, it should present a quick selection of questions about future of WiS each time it starts, for example - until that no one can possibly measure amount of WiS supporters/antagonists amongst the playerbase. Do you think another blob in Jita which your alliance are famous for anyway will show it? It will only show your determination worthy of a better cause.
I'm not talking about the people in this thread. I can't keep re-stating the same things over and over if you guys just want to keep pretending that the entire playerbase wasn't in uproar with Incarna. CCP did question the playerbase at the time. The CSM also polled people for their interests in WiS and what they wanted CCP to be doing with spaceships.
Guess what - the people wanted CCP to re-focus on spaceships.
CCP re-focussed on spaceships (at the cost of millions of dollars of wasted development and an ugly downsizing).
No, they didn't do that because there wasn't such an overwhelming number of people leaving the game (less CCP promise to work on spaceships) that the company was looking at a very short future.
Stop denying what actually happened and you can maybe get some traction. If your argument for WiS is to pretend everyone actually wanted it, you won't get anywhere.
Ray Kyonhe wrote:Literally Space Moses wrote: I'm pretty sure the jita riots and the cancelled subs proved our point when Incarna came out.
That you shouldn't go to extremes? Yes, it did. And cancelling WiS altogether with Incarna project became just another extreme we are trying to avoid. Both ideas were canned independently. CCP promised that no pay-to-win was ever going to be put into Eve, but people were still unsubscribing en-masse. It wasn't until CCP promised to can WiS and spend their efforts on spaceships that the playerbase got back on board with CCP. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15386
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Posted - 2014.05.08 17:14:00 -
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hint
[hint] noun 1. an indirect, covert, or helpful suggestion; clue: Give me a hint as to his identity. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1379
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Posted - 2014.05.08 17:18:00 -
[328] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote: Both ideas were canned independently. CCP promised that no pay-to-win was ever going to be put into Eve, but people were still unsubscribing en-masse. It wasn't until CCP promised to can WiS and spend their efforts on spaceships that the playerbase got back on board with CCP.
That really is a revisionist slant on history.
You really brighten my day with your desperate attempts to rewrite actual events, you should work for Hollywood. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Master Flakattack
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2014.05.08 17:45:00 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:The other thing with Star Citizen is that it sets up an uncomfortable situation. I've heard some say that if SC succeeds at providing what it promises, EvE is in trouble due to a lack of avatar content. Oddly, I think there is a very different way to look at it.
Far worse than EvE having no avatar content while SC has lots, is the possibility that EvE goes toe-to-toe with SC on avatar play, and comes out second. At least in the first instance, EvE has its spaceship game, and metagame angles to continue to work their existing customer base. But chasing the same star as SC would involve a massive use of resources, and a potential negative effect on the spaceship game (and metagame through lost subs in the sectors of the playerbase that pushes the metagame), all for nothing if SC still came out ahead on avatar play, as those players who want avatar play will go where it is best, giving EvE nothing for coming in second place.
In the scheme of things, EvE is much healthier bolstering their existing playerbase, and trusting in SC catering to a very different playerbase they can't hope to compete for anyway (or just flat out never appearing). I'm not saying EvE should never chase the potential for avatar play, but the way to do that is definitely not setting themselves up for failure in a straight race with SC. I really like this post and I agree entirely.
I bought into the original kickstarter for SC and so far I like what I am seeing, but I have also been playing EVE on and off since 2006. I will probably play both games, but for very different reasons. All of these people trying to jam avatar gameplay down our throats in EVE really have no idea what the playerbase wants or cares about, so I will give you a hint: EVE is about internet spaceships. Chances are, most of the people who joined EVE joined it for... internet spaceships *SHOCK*GASP*
I don't understand why you people are so bent on adding avatar gameplay to EVE. The question I ask that never gets answered: what do you think avatars will actually add to the game? Why should your average player use avatar gameplay over existing gameplay? Why should your specialist player (industrialist, corp leadership, wh) use avatar gameplay over existing gameplay? You're asking CCP to shunt a lot of development time and effort to a feature with no stated purpose (other than some RP bull). |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1380
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Posted - 2014.05.08 18:17:00 -
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Master Flakattack wrote:Aralyn Cormallen wrote:The other thing with Star Citizen is that it sets up an uncomfortable situation. I've heard some say that if SC succeeds at providing what it promises, EvE is in trouble due to a lack of avatar content. Oddly, I think there is a very different way to look at it.
Far worse than EvE having no avatar content while SC has lots, is the possibility that EvE goes toe-to-toe with SC on avatar play, and comes out second. At least in the first instance, EvE has its spaceship game, and metagame angles to continue to work their existing customer base. But chasing the same star as SC would involve a massive use of resources, and a potential negative effect on the spaceship game (and metagame through lost subs in the sectors of the playerbase that pushes the metagame), all for nothing if SC still came out ahead on avatar play, as those players who want avatar play will go where it is best, giving EvE nothing for coming in second place.
In the scheme of things, EvE is much healthier bolstering their existing playerbase, and trusting in SC catering to a very different playerbase they can't hope to compete for anyway (or just flat out never appearing). I'm not saying EvE should never chase the potential for avatar play, but the way to do that is definitely not setting themselves up for failure in a straight race with SC. I really like this post and I agree entirely. I bought into the original kickstarter for SC and so far I like what I am seeing, but I have also been playing EVE on and off since 2006. I will probably play both games, but for very different reasons. All of these people trying to jam avatar gameplay down our throats in EVE really have no idea what the playerbase wants or cares about, so I will give you a hint: EVE is about internet spaceships. Chances are, most of the people who joined EVE joined it for... internet spaceships *SHOCK*GASP* I don't understand why you people are so bent on adding avatar gameplay to EVE. The question I ask that never gets answered: what do you think avatars will actually add to the game? Why should your average player use avatar gameplay over existing gameplay? Why should your specialist player (industrialist, corp leadership, wh) use avatar gameplay over existing gameplay? You're asking CCP to shunt a lot of development time and effort to a feature with no stated purpose (other than some RP bull).
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Firstly, no one here seriously cares about SC.
Secondly lots of eve players will probably play SC too, no one is seriously going to leave eve to exclusively play SC
Thirdly, because it was promised to us and included in the game in the form of the CQ, all we want is for CCP to complete or further develop the avatar game with new game play as started with the CQ. It isn't any different to any other aspect of Eve online that gets the occasional reworking such as PI, Industry, ship redesigns and weapon/ship balancing. It's in the game lets get it finished.
Finally, no one here is 'trying to jam' avtar gameplay down anyone's throats, on the contrary the 'spaceships only' crowd are the ones that are trying to force a single play style that excludes avatars and anything not related to spaceships on the rest of the playerbase. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
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