I don't know much about coding but i was always told from my programmer friends the longest parts of development are the modelling and textures both of which are already done and done beautifully in the captains quarters. Seems to me they have the frame and engine, now they just need to find the 4 tires.

Wonderful!
Flawless Victory!

But this isn't true, because when you ask these same people "So, if CCP announced tomorrow that they would no longer be doing any more development of EVE, and said the game as it is today is how it will always be, would you leave, or stay?".

If you said you'd leave then I'd ask wtf are you even doing here now? Aren't you enjoying EVE today already? You mustn't be having much fun if your enjoyment and longevity within the game hinges solely off what's to come with development.

If you said you'd stay, and keep playing EVE as it is right now, then I'd ask wtf is your problem if time and energy is spent developing WiS then?

This is where a lot of people become disarmed, because by contemplating this they realize that it's actually not development concerns at all that are really the basis of their opposition.

"So, if CCP announced tomorrow that they would never develope WIS further, would you leave, or stay?".

If you said you'd leave then I'd ask wtf are you even doing here now? Aren't you enjoying EVE today already? You mustn't be having much fun if your enjoyment and longevity within the game hinges solely off what's to come with development.

It's possible that they were able to run a stripped down version, Or a very buggy version, or maybe it was truly fnatastic and nearly complete. There is no way for us to know the quality of the prototypes they had/have. What we can know is that anything is achievable with the right team, time, and money. Nothing about WiS is unrealistic.

I for one think that with other games delving into avatar based VR gameplay, that it might be a motivator for CCP to continue working with the Oculus to expand into WiS gameplay. Maybe it'll be part of Dust on PC. Maybe it'll be part of Valkyrie which is already on the Oculus. Maybe they'll bring it to EVE. Maybe it will be it's own game altogether. When CCP see's the right opportunity they will work on it. It's too big of an idea to abandon simply because the demographic for EVE isn't entirely on board. Not all games are aimed at the same demographic.

I expected the thread to get locked because it's not the approved WiS ghetto that you're supposed to post this crap in.

Eve is actually in fairly good shape now that they are actually putting effort into it. The ship rebalancing has been fantastic...seeing ships that have been in the game forever actually being used is great.

Sov is kind of borked but Goons are making it work for us and our people in the CSM feel good about the future but there is obviously a lot of work to be done before they could ever go back to wasting time on roleplayer foolishness.

I would want to see what the conversation develops into... perhaps they will ignore your request for now. So far most people against this are just from your alliance. Kind of funny. I wonder what's the agenda behind this.

That's not how economics works.

What exactly are you asking for?

Clearly, not just walking around in stations as that would get boring fast.

I can see value in combining some form of WiS with exploration of old/abandoned outposts and stations. That could be interesting.

However, purely in terms of WiS in populated stations, what services and capabilities do you want and how will they improve what is already there, or what new possibilities are you looking for?

I bow to your excellence, sir.

Your arguement goes both ways. Isn't it possible to enjoy the game now, but know there are things wrong with the game, in serious need of change, and that your future in the game is at least partially dependant on those things changing? It is the same for both of us - we both appear to be playing the game, hence enjoying it, but what we want of the game is not yet there. There are yawning improvements that we both want (or need) to give us the game we desperately crave, and developement time being a zero-sum thing, any developement on one persons "game", is directly impacting the other persons. You want WIS. I want a sov revamp. Dominion was 2009. Incarna was 2011. Get in line, its my turn.

But that's just me. How about you, would you leave EVE tomorrow if CCP said they never intend to fix Sov?

I agree that development should be balanced properly and that the desires and needs of all spectrum of players should get their time in the sun, so I have no problem if Devs spent time working on Sov - even if it has nothing at all to do with my EVE. Many people push for it, just like many push the WiS issue and I hope it gets more time in the sun again too - some day. To say we need to wait and balance it's development is one thing - to say it's unfeasable, is totally dead, somehow shares WoD's fate, caused the Jita riots, is supported by no players, uses an unworkable graphics engine, or will forever be beyond the average PCs capability is just plain wrong though, and I (used to) enjoy arguing against those and all the other misnomers put forward to put down WiS.

'Art' is only a timesink once you have a working game. They do **not** have the engine, this is specifically why there is no chance of it happening.

Did a NPC corp alt really just pull a "your opinion doesn't count because of the character you posted on". You do see the irony of that right?

Even the Alt

I respectfully disagree because any player in EVE has a role. Even the Alt

Hmm...

500 pounds towards a feature that is not planned, currently does not exist, and is thus far theoretical.

OP, did you by chance back Star Citizen?

Holy censorship batman.... So let me restate my point since the forum police did not seem to like my previous posts... WIS is a bad idea for EVE.

'Art' is only a timesink once you have a working game. They do **not** have the engine, this is specifically why there is no chance of it happening.

I'm not pouncing on you or anything, nothing personal. It's just it's been said over and over the past couple years, and there already is another active thread where it has been all said. If you want to understand Rhes pov a little better, then those threads are a better place to start. Just like this thread should have just been a post on that thread, still suggested, but not another redundant thread on it's own.