If EVE remains as is but just fixes bugs and adds polish you'd see more people leave over time than any one divisive feature ever could make them do. Stagnation is death in this industry and innovation it's life blood.

True, and CCP is aware of that, hence Legion and Valkyrie... but it's symptomatic for parts of this community - hell, most game communities, really - to only care about what they want individually... at least until they them self are bored by the stagnating game they so enjoyed once.

Irony and stuff...

But to ignore Avatars completely and see them as a deadend isn't the way forward.

I don't understand why you people are so bent on adding avatar gameplay to EVE. The question I ask that never gets answered: what do you think avatars will actually add to the game? Why should your average player use avatar gameplay over existing gameplay? Why should your specialist player (industrialist, corp leadership, wh) use avatar gameplay over existing gameplay? You're asking CCP to shunt a lot of development time and effort to a feature with no stated purpose (other than some RP bull).

But this is a thread about WiS

No this is a thread about some delusional roleplayers who are pretending that they would bankroll an effort to have CCP add dance emotes and wizard pants to their spaceship game. I think ISD is laughing too hard to lock it.

Exactly... but as I already said, after this fanfest I'm inclined to give them time for now, at least, right now, it looks like they could be going back to avatar gameplay at one point in the future.

Even if WiS came as an extension to DUST on PC, it would be great.

Sorry, I do not agree. Here is the Future Vision video with the Walk In station stuff (a possible version of it of course)... see how excited are people commenting on it. I mean 4000+ comments looking forward to it. So how can you justify your stand on WiS?

Here you go, check the comments:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45mlVuLs_Nw

It might possibly be because 4000 people is not even 1% of EVE accounts.

Just like a dozen vocal and persistent form posters is not a majority, neither are the sum total of all players attending fanfest.

It might possibly be because 4000 people is not even 1% of EVE accounts.

Just like a dozen vocal and persistent form posters is not a majority, neither are the sum total of all players attending fanfest.

that's assuming that everybody saw the video and that 100% of everybody who wants wis actually posted a comment.

Doc you know I respect you and love your contributions to any thread, so I think you'd be the first to agree that it only tends to be a small percentage of people who post comments about videos or whatever. It's the same for login surveys, not everyone fills them out, likewise elections are won and lost by people that don't even vote.

Thing is though I cant think of any way of gauging support for WIS that isn't open to some form of abuse or outright manipulation, even a blind login survey can be skewed, by people changing ip addresses to do the survey again, and again and again. Though if a goon was presented with one of them a lot them wouldn't even fill it out until they were told how to vote by the chief rabble rouser of their alliance.

No this is a thread about some delusional roleplayers who are pretending that they would bankroll an effort to have CCP add dance emotes and wizard pants to their spaceship game. I think ISD is laughing too hard to lock it.

Jita riots were about microtransactions, not WiS

Yeah, this is pretty much BS. I didn't cancel my account over "microtransactions", I canceled my account over the direction the game was going. It was broken buggy, and nothing was being done but to add barbie dolls for dress up parties that I could already do in other games. Over the years, I had had a number of trial accounts, and kept passing on a sub due to EVE being so friggen buggy. When SWG released NGE and I found myself without an internet spaceship game, I eventually just took it in the rear with all the bugs and got a sub with EVE as there were no real alternatives out there for anything as I was looking for.

When they introduced the Barbie dolls here, and I saw that they had pretty much no intention of ever fixing this game, I canceled with no real plans to ever return. Think it was three or four months later, caught up with EVE Evolved, Brendan Drain's articles at Massively, read that CCP gave in and changed direction to actually fixing this game. ah so re-subbed. And as far as I'm concerned, EVE has become 300% better the past couple of years than it ever was since I opened my first trial some 7 or 8 years ago.

Seriously, You WiSies, I play SL sometimes, I like to model and animate so it's a must for me, as a builder anyway. You would be better off getting your barbie doll fix over there, buying crap from me and dancing in one of many furry clubs they have there. Let CCP just focus on spaceships here, not that they are paying any attention to WiSy threads anyway

My point exactly, it's statistically irrelevant either way and furthermore the "data" can't be trusted.

It's a good thing CCP has good data and customer service records. They've already reacted because of what their data shows them and they are collecting tons more of it. I hope CCP does what they feel is best for the game and not just what a statistically irrelevant number of random people visiting or poasting on a website think regardless of which side of the fence those people are on regarding any matter.

I've noticed when CCP wants our feedback they ask for it.. funny that.

Good reply, but that's just your personal opinion.

It's my personal opinion that the riots I took part in were about game changing micro transactions and pay to win.

which one of us is right?

Not really that good of a reply, he sounds like a none commited, undedicated player who'll jump ship if something better crops up. I'm not saying he is, just that his reply makes him sound like one.

Maybe Webvan is uninterrested in WiS because he already gets his fix in SL. I've no interest in Second Life beyond the brief attempt I had at it, but it's hardly the same as rich and meaningful avatar game-play set in the gritty sandbox that is EVE online, which is what I'm supporting.

It's my personal opinion that the riots I took part in were about game changing micro transactions and pay to win.

New outfits previewed at Fanfest look good.

Still no skirts/short dresses though from what we saw.

New cybernetics look great too. I always thought the white ones looked kinda meh, but these dark ones could be enough to make me cut arm off (unlikely, but yeah).

That post has probably hurt the Pro-WiS arguments on this thread more than any anti-WiS person or protest.

How so?

Jealous of my legs huh?

Because people are complaining about space Barbie and then you've posted that the new outfits are nice, but you want a shorter skirt and that the cybernetic arm is in the wrong colour... sigh. Way to play to a stereotype.