Well you said "mark my words" and I did. Specifically:


So let us take a nice little look at eve's expansions and see whether they pass your litmus test for "being an expansion"

Castor:
****IS AN EXPANSION!****
Added missions, loads of new things to do.

Exodus:
Welp.
In what is going to become common, this isn't an expansion. Just lets you perform the same gameplay actions in different scenarios.

Cold war:
Not an expansion, just adds extra PVE (same gameplay) and ships.

RMR:
Noooooope. Just some more ships 'n' stuff, tweaked stats on character pages.

Bloodlines:
Nope. Tweaking numbers again.

Rev 1:
****IS AN EXPANSION!****
Scan ****, yo! That's new.

Rev 2:
Nope.

Trinity:
New face to the same old gameplay, and some more ships and stat tweaks.

Empyrean age:
Not an expansion. FW is just the same gameplay.

QR:
Stats/ships/etc

Apoc:
Not an expansion, new stargates into new unknown space isn't an expansion, as per your post. Rest of the expansion is just ships and stats.

Dominion:
Organisational changes, ships, stats. Not an expansion

Tyrannis:
****IS AN EXPANSION!****
New feature: get RSI from a bolted-on minigame, that offers no actual gameplay other than being a click magnet.

Incursion:
Nope, just ships, stats, some PVE changes.

Incarna:
****IS AN EXPANSION!****
New features: a store no-one wanted, barbies that can't leave their room, warm plastic in-place of your GPU.

Everything since: ships / stat tweaks.

So in your own terms Eve has only had 3 expansions (2 if you quite rightly discount the leaving-beta changes as an expansion). Both of which were unpopular.

You know, maybe you're seeing this all wrong, because under your own definitions 'expansions' are bad for eve online. CCP should clearly stick to not offering "new gameplay" and instead stick to what has worked in the past.

Or, and this is just an idea, maybe it's ridiculous to play down Eve's future vision as "just old gameplay in a new form" when that's been the core of Eve since it's inception.

changing numbers in a database and calling it ship balancing is not an expansion of game play, it's the same old game play re-presented in a different way. When you can do new things in the client that's an expansion, which is why I pointed out PI as the rather obvious example of doing new things in the client.

I pledge -ú500 as personal contribution to WiS which CCP can take automatically from my account when they deliver WiS.

1. Are there other players with ballz to commit to WiS development?
2. CCP do you have the ballz to make WiS?

I am watching this with interest...

Link to CCP video about WiS:
for future visions

http://www.eveonline.com/rubicon/
Rubicon
According to you didn't qualify as an expansion? hah!
Why, because for you - you weren't interested in the updates and new features so doesn't count?
Orbital bombardment to interact with dust bunnies and kill 'em - not interested so doesn't count
ISIS - not interested so doesn't count
Ghost Sites - not interested so doesn't count
Mobile Structures - not interested so doesn't count
New faction ships - not interested so doesn't count
Cert overhaul - not interested so doesn't count
Graphics improvements to space environments - not interested so doesn't count
Ship balancing and seeing old ships fixed and usable finally - not interested so doesn't count
FW fixes where years ago it was so broken it was a joke - not interested so doesn't count
So much more - not interested so doesn't count
not interested so doesn't count - not interested so doesn't count - not interested so doesn't count
"Where are my WiS updates!!!"

And somehow you say you can see the future, that development like this basically stops and only player gates are all that's left? uh-huh.

now you are being silly. I didn't say not interested, but I did say 'not an expansion of game play', I am of course interested in the goings on within the client otherwise there would be no point playing, hence the desire to see expansions of game play that allow new activities within the client.

BTW famous "Fate of WiS" thread is finally locked after 2 years and ~200 pages. I think it's bad sign for those who still waiting for WiS.

Meanwhile I'm letting my account to expire because - who could guesst that? - I've discovered spaceship MMO game with avatar content. I've allowed my EVE account to expire many time before but now it's different: I feel there is a good chance I'll never return to EVE. Unless, of course, CCP will wake up and start to expand WiS (I'd happily pay $49.95 for ready-to-use expansion of cosmetics) - but I doubt it will ever happen so no crowdfunding / payments in advance.

BTW famous "Fate of WiS" thread is finally locked after 2 years and ~200 pages. I think it's bad sign for those who still waiting for WiS.

Meanwhile I'm letting my account to expire because - who could guesst that? - I've discovered spaceship MMO game with avatar content. I've allowed my EVE account to expire many time before but now it's different: I feel there is a good chance I'll never return to EVE. Unless, of course, CCP will wake up and start to expand WiS (I'd happily pay $49.95 for ready-to-use expansion of cosmetics) - but I doubt it will ever happen so no crowdfunding / payments in advance.

BTW famous "Fate of WiS" thread is finally locked after 2 years and ~200 pages. I think it's bad sign for those who still waiting for WiS.

What is WiS vs. what is Avatar Play? This may be redefined especially with the development of Legion underway. The core things they listed in that thread can be done through Legion for example. So it can be confusing, especially since WiS-Carbon expansion has ceased and the team disbanded to work on other aspects of EVE development.

I think interesting things may come in regards to Avatar Play, but just not as many thought a few years ago to a specific system presented back then. The good thing about that thread being locked is that at some point when they expose more on the subject regarding avatar play, that thread won't be confusing to what is now vs. what was then. If or when they speak of such things, anyway.

My current sub terminates on the 28th. I will not renew it either until Legion, Valkyrie and WiS are all on the same client.

and without a pay2win business model.

Hope SC works out for you

You don't know what that is, do you?

It's what Dust514 (and EVE) currently has.

Entirely incorrect

But don't stop believin'

Im sure whatever pile of crap you migrate to will educate you in how you are incorrect with that assessment.

[Citation needed]


The only pile of crap I've came across recently was actually in EVE, and I'm glad other games are picking up the ball it dropped.

Ooohh zing!

[Citation needed]? Ok, how about, you can have all the money in game you like, and it wont make you a better player? Said by; pretty much everyone who is worth listening too.

Now, in return, please provide citation to support your position that EvE is pay-to-win so I actually know what "facts" you believe you have encountered?

Oh and if you think EvE is so terrible, why are you wastin time having a shitfit about it on its forums? Why not go play SC.. oh wait.. because it doesnt exist currently. Ok, Elite Dangerous..... oh wait... umm....

Im sure theres still a Freelancer server somewhere for you to get Spawn-ganked at the docking port in....

Pay-to-win - A game business model that offers and promotes the purchase of in-game goods or currency that offer an advantage in competitive gameplay and would otherwise be impossible or very difficult to get (i.e. eternal grinds), thus giving the payer a direct advantage in gameplay over the non-payer players..

So.... no facts as to how EvE fits into that paradigm, just a description of what P2W is

So again, please, make with the citations, or just leave already

So... you buy a PLEX, and you win?

Really?

I didnt know winning was about owning an item. Or even about how much Isk you have.

So, one more chance, please tell me in what way does having Isk make you "win"?

Unlike many other games that offer currency exchange for non competitive goods like vanity, pve boosters, skins... in EVE you can use the isk you bought with PLEX to buy highly skilled characters and capital ships, which even a tetraplegic can use efficiently by pressing F1 with his mouth and a straw.

Unlike many other games that offer currency exchange for non competitive goods like vanity, pve boosters, skins... in EVE you can use the isk you bought with PLEX to buy highly skilled characters and capital ships, which even a tetraplegic can use efficiently by pressing F1 with his mouth and a straw.

gold ammo.

Buying a Capital Ship and a toon to fly it without knowing what you are doing is like buying an aircraft in real life and saying you are win even thoguh you cant eve take off because youve never flown in your life.

Further, I fail to see how you equate owning a ship you can barely use thats lock-docked in Null and unable to launch because it will get trailed to "winning".

How do you figure that one, sportsfan?

The ability (or lack of there of) of certain players to play the game is not related to the advantage offered to them within the game's business model.

Clueless much?

Two equally skilled players, one doesn't buy plex, the other does. You're saying the person buying plex does not gain an advantage?

Perhaps you should stop playing this game and go back to school....

The ability (or lack of there of) of certain players to play the game is not related to the advantage offered to them within the game's business model.

The ability (or lack of there of) of certain players to play the game is not related to the advantage offered to them within the game's business model.