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raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 463	Posted - 2014.05.18 15:46:00 - [511] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: EvE is a complex game. Player skill (not SP, not isk, not resources) is THE single determining factor as to how successful that player's characters become. Everything else can help that, certainly, but knowing how to play to your advantage is the most important part. No matter how much money you spend, it will not tell you the best route to plan your skills, the best course to plot to avoid or find trouble, who to talk to or how to talk to the people you need to get in with whatever group you want to join etc etc Plus, there is no final "winning". There is whatever you decide is the measure of success. There is no one single score that makes you "Top EvEr 2014" I suppose that is somewhat true, but the competitive advantage offered to the PLEX buying players is still there. I'll give you this - It's definitely not as unhealthy for the game as Dust 514's model that relies exclusively on pay-to-win microtransactions to try and stay afloat. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 4304	Posted - 2014.05.18 15:47:00 - [512] - Quote Xavier Holtzman wrote: raven666wings wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Buying a Capital Ship and a toon to fly it without knowing what you are doing is like buying an aircraft in real life and saying you are win even thoguh you cant eve take off because youve never flown in your life. Further, I fail to see how you equate owning a ship you can barely use thats lock-docked in Null and unable to launch because it will get trailed to "winning". How do you figure that one, sportsfan? The ability (or lack of there of) of certain players to play the game is not related to the advantage offered to them within the game's business model. Your ignorance is astounding. I get the feeling a bad happened to raven666wings and he is trying to deflect the blame for the bad away from himself and towards those durn PLEX that apparently make the world go round "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á *FREE THE JITA 1*
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 4304	Posted - 2014.05.18 15:49:00 - [513] - Quote raven666wings wrote: the competitive advantage offered to the PLEX buying players is still there. I'll give you this - It's definitely not as unhealthy for the game as Dust 514's model that relies exclusively on pay-to-win microtransactions to try and stay afloat.. That's not how Ive heard that DUST's pay for items work. Plus, DUST is pretty much dead in the cold hard ground, so who the hell cares? In regards to EvE, in what way are you tryign to compete that makes PLEX purchase so necessary? "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á *FREE THE JITA 1*
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 463	Posted - 2014.05.18 15:53:00 - [514] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: In regards to EvE, in what way are you tryign to compete that makes PLEX purchase so necessary? Sorry I thought we were discussing whether EVE is pay2win or not. I also told you before I'm not playing it Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 4304	Posted - 2014.05.18 15:58:00 - [515] - Quote raven666wings wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: In regards to EvE, in what way are you tryign to compete that makes PLEX purchase so necessary? Sorry I thought we were discussing whether EVE is pay2win or not. Yes, and you still havent said what you consider "winning" and how plex allows you to achieve that (Which is pretty much EXACTLY what I said above) raven666wings wrote: I also told you before I'm not playing it So...what? This is just a pathetic cry for attention then huh? EDIT: While you are at it, please explain how a "tritanium endoskeleton" protects you from external radiation "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á *FREE THE JITA 1*
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 464	Posted - 2014.05.18 16:03:00 - [516] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Yes, and you still havent said what you consider "winning" and how plex allows you to achieve that (Which is pretty much EXACTLY what I said above) raven666wings wrote: I also told you before I'm not playing it So...what? This is just a pathetic cry for attention then huh? Please read my last posts again it seems you did not understand what I wrote. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 4304	Posted - 2014.05.18 16:05:00 - [517] - Quote raven666wings wrote: Please read my last posts again it seems you did not understand what I wrote. I'd advise you to smoke a pipe and chill, you look too stressed I dont think you have the first clue what you wrote. You just progress the theory that all Sebiestors must be exterminated for the betterment of the New Flesh "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á *FREE THE JITA 1*
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 464	Posted - 2014.05.18 16:09:00 - [518] - Quote Ok ok...!! I'll shut up... don't hurt me more Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Arthul Omanid Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 3	Posted - 2014.05.18 17:39:00 - [519] - Quote I'd also like to see more done with WiS. I can confidently say if we didn't have the CQs, I would not have come back to this game. It adds a lot to the atmosphere/feeling of being in a world for me. The walking animations are someone stilted, but they don't bother me that much. Overall, I think the graphics look great.
Ryunosuke Kusanagi 69	Posted - 2014.05.18 18:52:00 - [520] - Quote the problem with Incarna and the Jita riots was not that it was X feature or y feature. it was a combination of perceived feature implementation. On the Aurum store, there was the perceived notion of buying golden ammo, instead of purely cosmetic items, combined with the $70 virtual monocle, and the lack of communication to the playerbase or even the CSM at the time on what their intentions were, as well as the leaked inside memo/newsletter. On the Incarna front, WiS was in development for...18 months or so (citation needed), and when it WAS released, there were only 2 captains quarters available, so you can understand the players frustration on that part. I, myself, still think that WiS is a good idea for social interaction, there are a few games that have successfully implemented a vehicle fighting simulation and tactical simulation along with a personal open world roam simulation. Star Trek Online, Uncharted Waters Online, Pirates of the Burning Sea, to name a few off the top of my head. These days, to say "EVE online is a spaceship game" is not accurate at all, because while the EVE CLIENT currently IS a spaceship game, you also have DUST, and soonGäó Valkyrie. Also, EVE is NOT about spaceships what so ever, it is just a means of communication, a way of saying "Look at my shiny pixel bling!" and "ya, lets see what happens with that pixel bling when we have 20 - 50 non-bling items hit it!" Spaceships could easily be changed to wooden sailing ships, or swords/spears/bows and armor. In short, EVE is about social interactions, and I still believe a finished Incarna will further that.
Jonas Xiamon 96	Posted - 2014.05.18 20:06:00 - [521] - Quote Someone should run for the CSM on the platform of WiS Rep/Advocate. I usally write one of these and then change it a month later when I reread it and decide it sounds stupid.
Erica Dusette Rolled Out 7686	Posted - 2014.05.18 20:57:00 - [522] - Quote Jonas Xiamon wrote: Someone should run for the CSM on the platform of WiS Rep/Advocate. This has come to mind quite a few times for me. Personally though I'd rather see a CSM not only for avatars/WiS but for immersion in a broader sense - avatars, live events, roleplay and immersion. Someone who'll try to inject some life and enthusiasm into all the immersive areas of EVE's community and gameplay, that each on their own are somewhat niche. Was rather dissapointing to see almost none of the current CSM's candidates show any interest in avatars/WiS at all. From memory I think there was barely one who gave it a very slight mention (Asayanami Dei) and they were primarily a wormhole rep so I doubt much effort would have been put into pursuing avatar-stuff even if they were elected at the time. The biggest hurdle I'd foresee for a "WiS / Immersion CSM" rep though would simply be a) Knowing where the **** they stand to begin with and b) actually getting any answers or info from CCP. Right now as it stands we pretty much have no clue what CCPs short or long term plans are for avatar based gameplay or development in any sense. They aren't talking, so I really don't know where a CSM would stand when trying to do their job in the face of a silent-CCP... Major (Ret.) Caldari Militia \| Part-time wormhole pirate \| Full-time super model Gÿá Wormhole Diary \| GÖí #420roloswag
Jonas Xiamon 97	Posted - 2014.05.18 21:27:00 - [523] - Quote Erica Dusette wrote: Personally though I'd rather see a CSM not only for avatars/WiS but for immersion in a broader sense - avatars, live events, roleplay and immersion. Someone who'll try to inject some life and enthusiasm into all the immersive areas of EVE's community and gameplay, that each on their own are somewhat niche. That makes sense, WiS might be a it too narrow anyhow? Then again it has fairly huge possibilities. Eitherway I'm down for whatever, as long as it gets them a seat. I think due to eve's lack of avatar gameplay that the RP community is fairly stunted however, and it's sort of a chicken/egg delima where each are fairly dependant on each other. (Not that Eve doesn't have RP, just that I feel it would have significantly more if there were avatars and interaction and such. Quote: The biggest hurdle I'd foresee for a "WiS / Immersion CSM" rep though would simply be a) Knowing where the ** they stand to begin with I'm not sure what you mean by this? Quote:** b) actually getting any answers or info from CCP. Right now as it stands we pretty much have no clue what CCPs short or long term plans are for avatar based gameplay or development in any sense. They aren't talking, so I really don't know where a CSM would stand when trying to do their job in the face of a silent-CCP... I'm sure that a CSM answers could get answers... I just don't think they'd be allowed to share them. The real hurdle would be getting information for the public? I usally write one of these and then change it a month later when I reread it and decide it sounds stupid.
Erica Dusette Rolled Out 7692	Posted - 2014.05.18 21:42:00 - [524] - Quote Jonas Xiamon wrote: Quote: The biggest hurdle I'd foresee for a "WiS / Immersion CSM" rep though would simply be a) Knowing where the ** they stand to begin with I'm not sure what you mean by this? Quote:** b) actually getting any answers or info from CCP. Right now as it stands we pretty much have no clue what CCPs short or long term plans are for avatar based gameplay or development in any sense. They aren't talking, so I really don't know where a CSM would stand when trying to do their job in the face of a silent-CCP... I'm sure that a CSM answers could get answers... I just don't think they'd be allowed to share them. The real hurdle would be getting information for the public? You pretty much answered your question with your own remark to the second paragraph I think. It's been a long time since CCP have said anything official about the future of avatar development, or the fate of WiS (or otherwise). It's the elephant in the room that (aside from a reddit comment here, forum post there) no Dev seems willing to speak about openly. A CSM rep cannot try to promote development of a feature if we have no idea if that feature even exists anymore. Major (Ret.) Caldari Militia \| Part-time wormhole pirate \| Full-time super model Gÿá Wormhole Diary \| GÖí #420roloswag
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 464	Posted - 2014.05.18 22:33:00 - [525] - Quote People at CCP don't even know what they want for the game, let alone what to tell to the players. The company is adrift. I've said this before and I'll say it again - the management lacks leadership and vision for development and it is reflected in the current state of the game and the patches that were recently released. It's easier to hide behind the curtain and pretend to be working on something than to show the development supporters what exactly is being worked on. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Erica Dusette Rolled Out 7704	Posted - 2014.05.18 22:38:00 - [526] - Quote raven666wings wrote: People at CCP don't even know what they want for the game, let alone what to tell to the players. The company is adrift. I've said this before and I'll say it again - the management lacks leadership and vision for development and it is reflected in the current state of the game and the patches that were recently released. It's easier to hide behind the curtain and pretend to be working on something than to show the development supporters what exactly is being worked on. Well I don't know about that. Putting your Star Citizen stuff to one side for a moment, I do think CCP have a vision. Or at least they used to have a vision that they enjoyed talking about and showcasing - making EVE the very best Sci-fi simulator. That's sci-fi in a very broad sense, not just "spaceships". But it's true that since our last major piece of avatar development they've been deathly quiet. While it's obvious that it's still alive (we're still getting new avatar items, etc, albiet recycled stuff) we have no idea what their ultimate vision is right now and so many things remain unanswered sources of contention, trolling and arguing among the community. I'd like to know where us avatar gameplay and WiS supporters stand, what CCPs current overall vision now is, and where avatar development fits into that. Major (Ret.) Caldari Militia \| Part-time wormhole pirate \| Full-time super model Gÿá Wormhole Diary \| GÖí #420roloswag
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 464	Posted - 2014.05.18 23:17:00 - [527] - Quote Erica Dusette wrote: Well I don't know about that. Putting your Star Citizen stuff to one side for a moment Sorry, but this is not Star Citizen. That is EVE and all of its mis-managed and under-delivered projects over 11 years. Erica Dusette wrote: I do think CCP have a vision. I think they have many, and they are constantly changing. Which equals to having none as far as I'm concerned. Someone at CIG has written this Henry Ford quote in a board in one of their videos: "Vision without execution is just hallucination". Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Erica Dusette Rolled Out 7709	Posted - 2014.05.18 23:25:00 - [528] - Quote raven666wings wrote: Erica Dusette wrote: Well I don't know about that. Putting your Star Citizen stuff to one side for a moment Sorry, but this is not Star Citizen. That is EVE and all of its mis-managed and under-delivered projects over 11 years. No, I meant your post - it's obvious that SC influences your thinking heavily judging by the terms and language you tend to use, even when speaking about something unrelated to SC itself. And why would you link that post? It was laughable tbh, which is why I didn't respond seriously to it at the time. raven666wings wrote: Erica Dusette wrote: I do think CCP have a vision. I think they have many, and they are constantly changing. Which equals to having none as far as I'm concerned. Someone at CIG has written this Henry Ford quote in a board in one of their videos: "Vision without execution is just hallucination". [/quote] I've only ever heard CCP broadcast one major, official "vision" - to be the ultimate sci-fi simulator in existance. They used to say it quite a lot. But not anymore. I think it's time for an update. In fact I believe we as a community deserve an update. Major (Ret.) Caldari Militia \| Part-time wormhole pirate \| Full-time super model Gÿá Wormhole Diary \| GÖí #420roloswag
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 464	Posted - 2014.05.18 23:45:00 - [529] - Quote Erica Dusette wrote: No, I meant your post - it's obvious that SC influences your thinking heavily judging by the terms and language you tend to use, even when speaking about something unrelated to SC itself. And why would you link that post? It was laughable tbh, which is why I didn't respond seriously to it at the time. Excuse me, but I think what's obvious here is that you're trying to use "Star Citizen" as a strawman argument in an attempt to counter what I've written without using a valid argument. Now that's laughable Erica Dusette wrote: I've only ever heard CCP broadcast one major, official "vision" - to be the ultimate sci-fi simulator in existance. They used to say it quite a lot. But not anymore. I think it's time for an update. In fact I believe we as a community deserve an update. Heres my update for them: https://secure.eveonline.com/CancelSubscription.aspx Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Erica Dusette Rolled Out 7712	Posted - 2014.05.18 23:51:00 - [530] - Quote You're awfully touchy this morning, Mr Wings! I wasn't trying to argue anything. Just making an observation is all. Not sure what else to say other than "your stuff?" Major (Ret.) Caldari Militia \| Part-time wormhole pirate \| Full-time super model Gÿá Wormhole Diary \| GÖí #420roloswag
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 464	Posted - 2014.05.18 23:57:00 - [531] - Quote Erica Dusette wrote: You're awfully touchy this morning, Mr Wings! I wasn't trying to argue anything. Just making an observation is all. That's what I thought. No arguments against hard facts. Erica Dusette wrote: Not sure what else to say other than "your stuff?" My stuff eh? You think you can handle it? I bet it's bigger that your stuff Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Erica Dusette Rolled Out 7712	Posted - 2014.05.19 00:06:00 - [532] - Quote raven666wings wrote: Erica Dusette wrote: You're awfully touchy this morning, Mr Wings! I wasn't trying to argue anything. Just making an observation is all. That's what I thought. No arguments against hard facts. Arguments? Facts? Is this a SC thing again? Honestly I think it's silly to compare EVE and SC in the manner that people were in the thread/posts you linked. It's like comparing a camel to an unborn horse, and arguing which is best at carrying stuff through the Amazon. Erica Dusette wrote: Not sure what else to say other than "your stuff?" My stuff eh? You think you can handle it? I bet it's bigger that your stuff [/quote] I like my stuff petite and have never had any complaints sir. But as for acommodating yours? I'm sure my little hanger could manage it, if not I'll just anchor a second. Major (Ret.) Caldari Militia \| Part-time wormhole pirate \| Full-time super model Gÿá Wormhole Diary \| GÖí #420roloswag
Webvan All Kill No Skill 4912	Posted - 2014.05.19 00:08:00 - [533] - Quote raven666wings wrote: Heres my update for them: https://secure.eveonline.com/CancelSubscription.aspx Ah, the belated ragequit posts, enduring, timeless. Takes me back to the days of black prophecy. Yum, the tears that ensued. Just yum. Keep up the fine work, it'll pay off, well for some of us anyway.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 464	Posted - 2014.05.19 00:20:00 - [534] - Quote Webvan wrote: Ah, the belated ragequit posts, enduring, timeless. Takes me back to the days of black prophecy. Yum, the tears that ensued. Just yum. Keep up the fine work, it'll pay off, well for some of us anyway. Don't worry this is not a ragequit. It's only a yawnquit. When WiS is integrated in the client I'll sub the account back. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Little Dragon Khamez Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition 1411	Posted - 2014.05.19 07:48:00 - [535] - Quote Webvan wrote: Little Dragon Khamez wrote: Webvan wrote: Little Dragon Khamez wrote: changing numbers in a database and calling it ship balancing is not an expansion of game play, it's the same old game play re-presented in a different way. When you can do new things in the client that's an expansion, which is why I pointed out PI as the rather obvious example of doing new things in the client. http://www.eveonline.com/rubicon/ Rubicon According to you didn't qualify as an expansion? hah! Why, because for you - you weren't interested in the updates and new features so doesn't count? Orbital bombardment to interact with dust bunnies and kill 'em - not interested so doesn't count ISIS - not interested so doesn't count Ghost Sites - not interested so doesn't count Mobile Structures - not interested so doesn't count New faction ships - not interested so doesn't count Cert overhaul - not interested so doesn't count Graphics improvements to space environments - not interested so doesn't count Ship balancing and seeing old ships fixed and usable finally - not interested so doesn't count FW fixes where years ago it was so broken it was a joke - not interested so doesn't count So much more - not interested so doesn't count not interested so doesn't count - not interested so doesn't count - not interested so doesn't count "Where are my WiS updates!!!" And somehow you say you can see the future, that development like this basically stops and only player gates are all that's left? uh-huh. now you are being silly. I didn't say not interested, but I did say 'not an expansion of game play', I am of course interested in the goings on within the client otherwise there would be no point playing, hence the desire to see expansions of game play that allow new activities within the client. But I did list additional content. ISIS. ghost sites, mobile structures, faction ships, orbital bombardment, new space environment features +etc etc added new content. In addition reiteration of old content, and in that being new... such as the stupid mini-game to hacking for example and those nasty little rigs and modules, which is new content. you are falling on a two edged sword here, on the one hand you say only new content is an "expansion" yet you are dismissing a whole lot of new content at the same time. So to me, 'it doesn't count not interested' is the obvious explanation. new content is not the same as new gameplay. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Aralyn Cormallen Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 409	Posted - 2014.05.19 11:04:00 - [536] - Quote Jonas Xiamon wrote: I think due to eve's lack of avatar gameplay that the RP community is fairly stunted however, and it's sort of a chicken/egg delima where each are fairly dependant on each other. (Not that Eve doesn't have RP, just that I feel it would have significantly more if there were avatars and interaction and such. But, you see, this is where the vision falls down. How would better avatar play help roleplay? You are aware how many stations exist in New Eden? Providence is the epitomy of a roleplay haven, and it alone has 72 stations, across 9 different Alliances (Disclaimer - I know how station-addicted you Providencians are, so i'm well aware you might have dropped three more while I'm writing this post). How does walking in FX-7EM help when you are talking to two guys 14 jumps away in Y9-MDG, and another 4 jumps away in LF-2KP (who is 11 from the guys in FX)? In truth, the roleplayers will stick to their channels; they will have to, they will be too diffused otherwise by affiliation and politics. Sure, a few hubs may spring up for the truly dedicated, but then you are still restricted to chat channels when talking to those who are barred from those stations, and it would then negatively effect your ability to play the rest of EvE (sorry, cant join fleet, I am in the RP hub 10 jumps from my combat ships).
Aralyn Cormallen Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 409	Posted - 2014.05.19 11:09:00 - [537] - Quote Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote: On the Incarna front, WiS was in development for...18 months or so (citation needed) The "18 months" was taken from the responses to CSM 5 at their first Iceland meeting, where every question about developement on EvE was met with a flat "there is no EvE developement for the next 18 months while we work on Incarna". I'm not sure whether Incarna developement was that long in truth (although, as the summer of rage was during CSM 6, it sounds about right), but its what made "18 months" the slogan it is. EDIT - getting my CSM terms wrong
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 4321	Posted - 2014.05.19 11:11:00 - [538] - Quote Jonas Xiamon wrote: I think due to eve's lack of avatar gameplay that the RP community is fairly stunted however, and it's sort of a chicken/egg delima where each are fairly dependant on each other. (Not that Eve doesn't have RP, just that I feel it would have significantly more if there were avatars and interaction and such. You are clearly spending far too much time with normies and heretics. We are the New Flesh We are Capsuleers Our ships are an extension of our being Our blood is the blood of beings that are like UNTO GODS to the mortals of the Old Flesh Avatars? Give me the avatars for the Thukker crew removed from the Tribal Defense ships that cross my path which are to be processed through my exsanguinators and perhaps you will have a point. "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á *FREE THE JITA 1*
Erica Dusette Rolled Out 7787	Posted - 2014.05.19 11:24:00 - [539] - Quote Aralyn Cormallen wrote: Jonas Xiamon wrote: I think due to eve's lack of avatar gameplay that the RP community is fairly stunted however, and it's sort of a chicken/egg delima where each are fairly dependant on each other. (Not that Eve doesn't have RP, just that I feel it would have significantly more if there were avatars and interaction and such. But, you see, this is where the vision falls down. How would better avatar play help roleplay? You are aware how many stations exist in New Eden? Providence is the epitomy of a roleplay haven, and it alone has 72 stations, across 9 different Alliances (Disclaimer - I know how station-addicted you Providencians are, so i'm well aware you might have dropped three more while I'm writing this post). How does walking in FX-7EM help when you are talking to two guys 14 jumps away in Y9-MDG, and another 4 jumps away in LF-2KP (who is 11 from the guys in FX)? In truth, the roleplayers will stick to their channels; they will have to, they will be too diffused otherwise by affiliation and politics. Sure, a few hubs may spring up for the truly dedicated, but then you are still restricted to chat channels when talking to those who are barred from those stations, and it would then negatively effect your ability to play the rest of EvE (sorry, cant join fleet, I am in the RP hub 10 jumps from my combat ships). It's all about immersion, if we're talking about role play. Simply put it's one thing to describe your character walking into a room, another entirely to actually watch them do it. The added immersion would be enormous for those into RP - although in saying that, WiS/avatar play certainly isn't just about role play(ers). Anyway, you mention distances and the impracticality of actually meeting. Thats not a new obstacle for RP'ers, even now there is maybe half of the RP community that would physically travel to a location in game to partake in a RP event or scenario (I personally insist upon it with my characters). Although while doing so is a sign of good RP and added immersion it's ultimately just symbolic - so many RP'ers use things like the fictional 'Interbus Shuttle' service to attend RP without actually having to attend. With something the likes of WiS these kinds of things cease being merely symbolic or purely RP. Major (Ret.) Caldari Militia \| Part-time wormhole pirate \| Full-time super model Gÿá Wormhole Diary \| GÖí #420roloswag
Solecist Project Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1123	Posted - 2014.05.19 13:36:00 - [540] - Quote smiles Still waiting for our meeting to happen, Erica! :D https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860 Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears! Red blood, boiling hot!

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