I don't know why they even stopped WiS in the first place, sure everyone was worried that they had lost sight on internet spaceships and were moving on to other stuff so the players protested, which is fine but instead of focusing on EVE they went and moved focus to Dust instead.. an FPS that I personally thought was a mistake right from the beginning, and on console of all things, a place dominated by COD and other crappy shooters. (why people protested against WiS and not Dust I have no idea)

So now here we are with only a captains quarters and a failed FPS.. *Sigh* I was one of the few looking forward to WiS, I hope they start working on it again soon.

This thread demonstrates how much activity can be generated by nothing. Humans like to call themselves "intelligent". Frankly, I don't see it. I've seen sheep make better sense than this. Could someone please explain why this behavior is so prevalent in a species that has supposedly conquered all manner of things...space...uh...space...uh...Oh...I see.

That's how bad a state CCP was in at the time. They realized they only had time to finish a single room before Incarna went live and they decided to pick the one that looks like a third world prison cell.

We should all be thankful that CCP learned from their mistakes.

Dear Rhes, I invite you and the rest of the people here to read this statement from CCP. It says all and answers very clearly to you:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/2672

These are CCP words:
*snip*
Wake up!

Space-barbie is dead.

Marketingspeak for "sorry you got so pissed off at our idiocy. You shouldn't get so pissed off next time."

Also, that post is entirely out of date and out of context. It doesn't take into account Hillmar's "sorry this has screwed up our company so bad we have to fire 1/3 of our employee's" post, or his "sorry I screwed up EVE, the most responsible thing I can do now is to promote another lead dev to take care of EVE while I do the business stuff.". Last update from the current lead dev is a "no, we're not working on it, no we aren't planning on working on it, no we don't know what we'll do with it if we ever start working on it again."

Space-barbie is dead. Let it rest in peace. Stop violating it's necrotic corpse. Even beginning work on a replacement for it within the next 3 or 4 years (or however long it takes to finish the current development goals) would be an extremely stupid direction for the company.

Sorry but CCP words look to me completely in context. Nothing in EVE is out of date. What happened is history and has a record which can be recalled. The position on space barbie might have changed, but sorry to say that you cannot erase what has been said.

They stopped working on WiS because EVE was very literally dying at the time because of it.

Now be fair, the room was Minmatar, so it was meant to look 'crappy'.

"Fact: There is one exception to this: when they tried to work on WiS instead of FiS"

This is not a 'Fact' and it's also not true, stopped reading after that because it kinda undermines everything else.

Because CCP lost a ton of subscribers after Incarna went live and the players realized that Eve had been ignored for two years for a single crappy looking room in a station.

Dear Rhes, I invite you and the rest of the people here to read this statement from CCP. It says all and answers very clearly to you:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/2672

These are CCP words:

CaptainGÇÖs Quarters
Without establishments and meaningful activities to engage in, forcing players into a mandatory single-player CaptainGÇÖs Quarters experience was a mistake. I mentioned earlier the perils of not getting the simple things right. Removing ship spinning was a negligent oversight and a clear sign that we had fallen out of touch with our community. The interiors for Incarna were so scoped down by our launch window that CQ was essentially a prototype feature that we foolishly promoted as a full-blown expansion. We underestimated our development time, set impractical or misleading expectations, and added insult to injury by removing something in which players were emotionally invested.

Virtual Goods
Next we arrive at our rather underwhelming virtual goods rollout. There was hardly anything to purchase initially, let alone to put the cost of the infamous monocle in perspective. The last thing we wanted to do was create the perception that all items in the store would be in that price range. Quite frankly, it was rather pointless to begin with because we did not have a multiuser environment in which players could show off their purchases. It was another feature that we rushed out the door before it was ready.
We also didnGÇÖt do enough to assure you that this wasnGÇÖt the beginning of a GÇ£pay to winGÇ¥ scenario in EVE.

Incarna
For the same reasons, IncarnaGÇöthe real one with actual meaningful gameplay in itGÇö will be a big step towards the future. For an experience that relies so much on emergence and human interaction, itGÇÖs remarkable that itGÇÖs taken us this long to actually put a face on it. Once Incarna hits its stride, EVE will be more personal, and thus more accessible to general audiences. Visual self-expression in a virtual setting is a core psychological component of gaming; most people need to see their avatars, or something vaguely humanoid, or else they donGÇÖt connect with the game. We were behind the curve and it needs to be addressed for the sake of EVEGÇÖs longevity. We have the technology. Now we need time to add the content that will bring more meaning to the gameplayGÇöagain, without disrupting the space combat simulator that many of you are, or at least were, very much in love withGÇöand without delaying crucial improvements that this core experience desperately needs.

Wake up!

WiS got mixed up with golden ammo so CCP threw the baby out with the bathwater, agree it was done badly but ppl didn't unsub because of the concept of WiS.

We'll all see the wisdom of dropping it soon enough.

CCP Rise's opinion voiced during his reddit IamA was reasonable, but just because the focus is mainly on the spaceship game does not mean that nobody here has an interest to make meaningful Avatar gameplay within the EVE universe happen. (-:

Now be fair, the room was Minmatar, so it was meant to look 'crappy'.

Rhes loves to quote the only Dev who ever said anything that remotely detracts from WiS or avatar gameplay.

Despite the fact that Dev has nothing to do with that side of the game anyway.

And despite the fact that other Devs have commented on such development since.

What I find most interesting is that it's WiS-related threads he seems to spend most of his time posting in, and against on the eve forums.

Here you go Rhes, put this one in your sig honey:

Rhes loves to quote the only Dev who ever said anything that remotely detracts from WiS or avatar gameplay.

Despite the fact that Dev has nothing to do with that side of the game anyway.

And despite the fact that other Devs have commented on such development since.

What I find most interesting is that it's WiS-related threads he seems to spend most of his time posting in, and against on the eve forums.

Here you go Rhes, put this one in your sig honey:

And why aren't you quoting CCP Seagull? You know, the dev boss? That quote where she said they aren't doing it. They aren't planning on doing it. They aren't planning on planning on doing it.

CCP Seagull's development plan is probably the best plan CCP's had since the very beginning of EVE. Who are we kidding? It's the only meaningful plan they've ever had as a company. If space-barbie ever has a place in the development plan again, I'm convinced Seagull will make sure it happens at the right time. It sure as hell won't be within the next 2 or so years, because there's still too much broken stuff that actually matters.

The real question should be why doesn't Rhes quote CCP Seagull in his sig?

So I enjoy trolling him a little

Sig space is limited and CCP Rise's quote is succinct enough.


Trolling is against the forums ToS so expect to have all your posts deleted by ISD.

Erica, can you enlighten us about what was discussed in the WiS panel at fanfest this year?

But enough talk from me. We all know that much quoted phrase, GÇ£ItGÇÖs not what you say, itGÇÖs what you do,GÇ¥ that will make the difference here. From now on, CCP will focus on doing what we say and saying what we do. That is the path to restoring trust and moving forward.

You guys still believe in anything the devs at CCP say? Might aswell still believe in Santa Claus. Please, even the CEO told you to watch what they do and not what they say.
CCP Seagull hasn't got the last word on what is developed or what comes out when and where. For all you know they can have a team of 10 ppl somewhere getting an Unreal 4 WiS ready for integration and deployment whenever, much like they did with the EVA prototype.

Erica, can you enlighten us about what was discussed in the WiS panel at fanfest this year?

There have been a lot of questions on the forums about how this integrates with EVE. Whilst this isnGÇÖt the core focus for us at the moment it is something we are thinking about long and hard. Like DUST514, this part of EVE should contribute to the overall economy as well as supporting its own ecosystem. Right now weGÇÖre thinking that these abandoned structures are so dangerous, radioactive and toxic, that they can only be entered with special suits. Obviously with access to clones you arenGÇÖt worried about radiation and long term health effects of hazardous lifestyles.