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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2014.05.08 20:32:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Last Wolf wrote:Kristalll wrote:Last Wolf wrote:Mined Volume
42.96% of 25.7 bill goal = 11.04072 bill
184,012 man/hours at 60,000 m3 per hour
NPC bounties
29.6% of 7.44 trill goal = 2.20224 trill
220,224 man/hours at 100mil per hour.
My assumptions were: average miner is getting 1,000 m3 per minute (60,000 per hour) and average ratter/missioner getting 100m per hour
Someone correct my maths if I am wrong. Ratters average clsoer to 60m and below. Mission runners don't make most of their money on bounties, so even if they are making 100m/hr, it's more like 30-40m on bounties. That would skew the numbers even more in favor of the ratters putting in more effort than miners. only if the arbitrary numbers that need to be reached have any relation to one another, of which there is 0 evidence.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Posted - 2014.05.08 20:41:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Cyphel Clearmount wrote: morally superior I dont know what this means in cases like this i usually go to dictionary and learn new word or sentence......
I already explained that describing something as morally superior is at best inaccurate and at worst oxymoronic
If you would care to differ on that, I would very much enjoy debating with you on the subject of the existance of or lack of evidence for such a thing as objective moral superiority.
"They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn
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Toshiroma McDiesel
Lupus Draconis
Dragehund
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Posted - 2014.05.09 00:19:00 -
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I shed 1 tear for every roid I pop.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
722
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Posted - 2014.05.09 01:01:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:March rabbit wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Cyphel Clearmount wrote: morally superior I dont know what this means in cases like this i usually go to dictionary and learn new word or sentence...... I already explained that describing something as morally superior is at best inaccurate and at worst oxymoronic If you would care to differ on that, I would very much enjoy debating with you on the subject of the existance of or lack of evidence for such a thing as objective moral superiority.
I have a friend that teaches business ethics in an MBA.
She says the hardest thing to overcome is the attitude in business that " Legal = Moral = Ethical" . Apparently many people in the business world see the three terms as synonymous :D |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
753
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Posted - 2014.05.09 01:42:00 -
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HURR ganking...i've done it.
Whenever there's a drive to bash miners i undock my Megathron with Miner IIs on it, named (My Main's Name)'s Hulk.
Sit at a belt.
Wave to all the slowkids that arrive.
Lots of really good PVPers gank miners for lols and prize transports as kills.
The dedicated gankers, though, have the most limited understanding of the game in general and mining in particular. They also lack in sense of humor.
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
Independent Faction
468
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Posted - 2014.05.09 01:59:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
Sure, just as soon as you tell me what kinds of ships all that mined Ore is going towards building.
Mining drones. (No, seriously, that was what the little bit I mined went toward was T2 mining drones and Hobgoblin 2s, the profit margin was too good to pass up but I found I needed 20k trit).
In all honesty, the bulk of it is probably going to cap boosters, drones, and ammo/crystals.
Those are expended even faster than ships, and thus there's always a market for them. |
Dr Techenstein Techsalt
KLEENEX INC.
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Posted - 2014.05.09 01:59:00 -
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All I can say is that knowing that the ore I sell is going to actually be used makes mining fun. Otherwise this long grind to set up would definitely suck and I'd have probably quit by now.
Words of an irrelevant newb.
Dust merc- TechMechMeds, logistics
Eve legion ftw
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Dr Techenstein Techsalt
KLEENEX INC.
5
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Posted - 2014.05.09 02:00:00 -
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I'm also pretty worried by this thread, I just got my procurer.
Dust merc- TechMechMeds, logistics
Eve legion ftw
Dust scum think they can dominate legion lol |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
1476
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Posted - 2014.05.09 04:30:00 -
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Dr Techenstein Techsalt wrote:I'm also pretty worried by this thread, I just got my procurer.
You'll be fine.
You only have to worry about highsec gankers, in highsec.
I'd suggest taking your procurer out of highsec. I can even give you an escort if you like. I'll take you anywhere in lowsec or Syndicate you want to go.
I won't even charge you anything for it. Just a community service.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
777
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Posted - 2014.05.09 04:36:00 -
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Dr Techenstein Techsalt wrote:All I can say is that knowing that the ore I sell is going to actually be used makes mining fun. Otherwise this long grind to set up would definitely suck and I'd have probably quit by now.
Words of an irrelevant newb.
I really like your motivation. And on an unrelated note, I love your avatar.
Take solace knowing that even after the sun sets, and your sky is filled with darkness, that the sun is still shining. -D. Entervention
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Dr Techenstein Techsalt
KLEENEX INC.
8
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Posted - 2014.05.09 11:58:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Dr Techenstein Techsalt wrote:I'm also pretty worried by this thread, I just got my procurer. You'll be fine. You only have to worry about highsec gankers, in highsec. I'd suggest taking your procurer out of highsec. I can even give you an escort if you like. I'll take you anywhere in lowsec or Syndicate you want to go. I won't even charge you anything for it. Just a community service.
10/10 you touched my heart for a second lol.
Dust merc- TechMechMeds, logistics
Eve legion ftw
Dust scum think they can dominate legion lol |
Dr Techenstein Techsalt
KLEENEX INC.
8
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Posted - 2014.05.09 12:02:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Dr Techenstein Techsalt wrote:All I can say is that knowing that the ore I sell is going to actually be used makes mining fun. Otherwise this long grind to set up would definitely suck and I'd have probably quit by now.
Words of an irrelevant newb. I really like your motivation. And on an unrelated note, I love your avatar.
Thank you.
the left side relative from this viewpoint will actually give you a very small glimpse of what I look like but of course, I am a sebiestor winmatar scumbag and iv not had a Mohawk since I was 17 lol.
Dust merc- TechMechMeds, logistics
Eve legion ftw
Dust scum think they can dominate legion lol |
Dr Techenstein Techsalt
KLEENEX INC.
8
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Posted - 2014.05.09 14:08:00 -
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So what's the average extortion rate I can expect at some point in the future?. 
Dust merc- TechMechMeds, logistics
Eve legion ftw
Dust scum think they can dominate legion lol |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
593
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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:45:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:yea. I have noticed the same: miners work better than 'real players'  1. miners 2. manufacturers/researchers/etc... 3. carebears (mission runners) 4. 'real players' - pvp oriented group Personally being bad i only added like 300 million to pvp pool yesterday 
you are a close mined non-eve player. Mining can be pvp oriented as well...
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stoicfaux
4790
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Posted - 2014.05.11 21:14:00 -
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Dr Techenstein Techsalt wrote:So what's the average extortion rate I can expect at some point in the future?.
Your implants.
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Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2014.05.11 22:34:00 -
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Why doesn't someone in null grow a pair and drop some SBUs.. oh right, they are all blue to each other or have pretend space accords to not fight.
Can't imagine why new players leave when they see all the big boys with big guns acting like pu$$ies.
Did B-R just cut everyone's balls off? |
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
398
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Posted - 2014.05.11 23:28:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Why doesn't someone in null grow a pair and drop some SBUs.. oh right, they are all blue to each other or have pretend space accords to not fight.
Can't imagine why new players leave when they see all the big boys with big guns acting like pu$$ies.
Did B-R just cut everyone's balls off?
Don't hold back man. Just tell us how you feel. 
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Council of Peace and Prosperity
4077
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Posted - 2014.05.11 23:32:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Why doesn't someone in null grow a pair and drop some SBUs.. oh right, they are all blue to each other or have pretend space accords to not fight.
Can't imagine why new players leave when they see all the big boys with big guns acting like pu$$ies.
Did B-R just cut everyone's balls off?
If a new player joins specifically to be a player in the Sov game, then the fact that its almost impossible is not going to put him off.
Perhaps geopolitics and grand strategy are more his thing than being able to do a land grab with half a dozen Battleships, non?
"They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn
"I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
rswfire
178
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Posted - 2014.05.12 00:32:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:March rabbit wrote:trolling aside i'm not sure many pvpers will take responsibility for mining ore and building their own ships
some of them (you can see example right in this thread) even can't understand this thing Nah, it's just funny that miners in this thread act like they're doing something good for the community, rather than just mining for themselves as they normally would.
Sorry but I don't agree with this.
I've met a lot of miners in my time in Eve and honestly in my experience they tend to be the most altruistic. They may not like to fight, but they'll go to great lengths to support war efforts...donating their minerals, getting in BlackBirds, etc.
I feel they're painted with an unfair brush, and it makes little sense to me, save for people needing to make excuses for their actions in a silly game about blowing up internet spaceships.
Mining is utterly boring, imho, but I don't look down on them for choosing to do it. Why do you?
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
5984
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Posted - 2014.05.12 00:48:00 -
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rswfire wrote:
I've met a lot of miners in my time in Eve and honestly in my experience they tend to be the most altruistic.
That's funny. I've found it to be one of the single most selfish acts possible in the game.
They're not doing anything, they're not playing with anyone. They're just sitting there, watching the green number get bigger. It's just running the rat wheel.
And yet, when even the slightest thing happens to rattle that cage, bump it, if you will, they pour forth some of most vile things I have ever heard spoken. Real life threats, disgusting sexual insults, you name it.
Altruists? Hardly.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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rswfire
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Posted - 2014.05.12 00:51:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:rswfire wrote:
I've met a lot of miners in my time in Eve and honestly in my experience they tend to be the most altruistic.
That's funny. I've found it to be one of the single most selfish acts possible in the game. They're not doing anything, they're not playing with anyone. They're just sitting there, watching the green number get bigger. It's just running the rat wheel. And yet, when even the slightest thing happens to rattle that cage, bump it, if you will, they pour forth some of most vile things I have ever heard spoken. Real life threats, disgusting sexual insults, you name it. Altruists? Hardly.
Well, I can only speak for the ones I've met, I suppose. Our miners are part of a community, so perhaps that makes a difference.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
5984
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Posted - 2014.05.12 00:58:00 -
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rswfire wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:rswfire wrote:
I've met a lot of miners in my time in Eve and honestly in my experience they tend to be the most altruistic.
That's funny. I've found it to be one of the single most selfish acts possible in the game. They're not doing anything, they're not playing with anyone. They're just sitting there, watching the green number get bigger. It's just running the rat wheel. And yet, when even the slightest thing happens to rattle that cage, bump it, if you will, they pour forth some of most vile things I have ever heard spoken. Real life threats, disgusting sexual insults, you name it. Altruists? Hardly. Well, I can only speak for the ones I've met, I suppose. Our miners are part of a community, so perhaps that makes a difference.
That is certainly a fair statement. I can say much the same of the miners in my alliance as well, I suppose it's a result of being a part of something larger that can be contributed to.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Vhelnik Cojoin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2014.05.12 01:45:00 -
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rswfire wrote:Well, I can only speak for the ones I've met, I suppose. Our miners are part of a community, so perhaps that makes a difference.
I rather think it does. As a newbro I learned to be part of the community of the alliance I was in back then, and all activities were social, be it mining, PvP fleets or whatever.
Today, when mining, I tend to mostly socialize with a tight group of people. The rest of the miners I met in HiSec are ... weird. It is mostly like they aren't even there, even if you try to chat them up in local etc. Exceptions exist, but they seem to be few and far in between.
RPing aside, before I read this thread, I had occasionally begun to wonder whether the CODEdot people actually has a point with their NO thing.
Have you Communicated with your fellow capsuleers today? It is good for the EVE-oconomy and o-kay for you. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1335
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Posted - 2014.05.12 01:58:00 -
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Perhaps the bile some miners spew has to do with the constant bile spewed at them about being botters, being scum, being worthless etc....
Look at yourself and how you paint them before you throw stones at their behaviour. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
5992
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Posted - 2014.05.12 09:06:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Perhaps the bile some miners spew has to do with the constant bile spewed at them about being botters, being scum, being worthless etc....
Look at yourself and how you paint them before you throw stones at their behaviour.
Then they should probably stop botting so much.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Dave Stark
5526
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Posted - 2014.05.12 09:08:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Perhaps the bile some miners spew has to do with the constant bile spewed at them about being botters, being scum, being worthless etc....
Look at yourself and how you paint them before you throw stones at their behaviour. Then they should probably stop botting so much.
so should all the people in null sec with their ishtars. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
5992
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Posted - 2014.05.12 09:17:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Perhaps the bile some miners spew has to do with the constant bile spewed at them about being botters, being scum, being worthless etc....
Look at yourself and how you paint them before you throw stones at their behaviour. Then they should probably stop botting so much. so should all the people in null sec with their ishtars.
If those guys are botting, then yeah, I agree.
I'm talking about the part where CCP says the vast majority of bots are found in highsec, and of those the majority are miners.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
9728
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Posted - 2014.05.12 09:18:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Why doesn't someone in null grow a pair and drop some SBUs.. oh right, they are all blue to each other or have pretend space accords to not fight.
Can't imagine why new players leave when they see all the big boys with big guns acting like pu$$ies.
Did B-R just cut everyone's balls off?
Nullsec warfare undergoes quiet and active periods. We're in a quiet period right now because the last war ended and the next one hasn't started yet. The pieces are still being moved into place. It will happen though.
This isn't a surprise to anyone who isn't a mouthbreathing forum carebear.
Dave Stark wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Perhaps the bile some miners spew has to do with the constant bile spewed at them about being botters, being scum, being worthless etc....
Look at yourself and how you paint them before you throw stones at their behaviour. Then they should probably stop botting so much. so should all the people in null sec with their ishtars.
The vast majority of bots are in highsec.
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Dave Stark
5526
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Posted - 2014.05.12 09:20:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Perhaps the bile some miners spew has to do with the constant bile spewed at them about being botters, being scum, being worthless etc....
Look at yourself and how you paint them before you throw stones at their behaviour. Then they should probably stop botting so much. so should all the people in null sec with their ishtars. If those guys are botting, then yeah, I agree. I'm talking about the part where CCP says the vast majority of bots are found in highsec, and of those the majority are miners.
that's probably because you can get max yield [for ice] from a 1 month old account. you can't get max anything out of a 1 month old character for anything else.
hardly surprising most bots are mining [i suspect, ice] due to the low barrier to entry even if the isk is poor, the return on investment is quicker (and probably ultimately higher if the accounts get banned rapidly).
if other activities yielded such 'good' results for such a low sp investment then i'm sure they'd be heavily botted. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
9728
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Posted - 2014.05.12 09:22:00 -
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I don't recall FW being heavily botted yet it had an even lower SP investment for significantly higher returns.
"Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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