...and people still think miners are the reason, CCP is buffing mining...

I let you in on a little secret: We are not, gankers are!

If reporting them worked, we wouldn't have to gank them.

You don't "have" to do anything in a game... you do it because it gives you purpous and the feeling of accomplishment with actually, you know... accomplishing anything... I get it.

Coming from someone defending a profession that consists of actively not playing the game, this run on sentence makes perfect sense.

So you know what the difference is between a miner who is afk, and one who is botting? I sure don't. It's like the Pepsi Challenge.

"9 out of 10 Caldari Navy Antimatter shells can't tell the difference!"

If reporting them worked, we wouldn't have to gank them.

mining needs a complete overhaul to be less terrible and more interesting than it is. a mechanic that rewards thinking, diligence and teamwork instead of going to make toast. i'm convinced mining and missions are responsible for pushing so many newbies away from eve they are so boring

the best part of the mining overhaul, when it comes, will be the rage threads of 'i own 50 isboxer accounts and YOU CANT DO THIS TO ME'

Well, I hope the potential new players, changes like that would attract would counterbalance the multyboxers loosing their additional accounts.

Coming from someone defending a profession that consists of actively not playing the game, this run on sentence makes perfect sense.

i like your logic

yea...

paying subscription, buying ships, buying stuff, selling ore/minerals, competing for ice, providing targets for other people == 'actively not playing the game'

i like your logic

CCP is buffing mining...

Is this what miners actually think?

No, sitting in a belt pressing F1 every half an hour is actively not playing the game. Do try to keep up.

you mean, the same thing people in null do with ishtars?

you mean, the same thing people in null do with ishtars?

also, if you've ever tried to mine in high sec, you'd realise it's closer to about 4 mins, than 30.

Ice mining is a tad higher cycle time than regular mining, you are aware?

i reckon most people'd recognise the need for more entertaining/challenging pve and more than one viable anom

are you aware; they aren't.

hulk, 67 seconds ice cycle time.
mackinaw 50.6 second ice cycle time.
skiff 25.9 second ice cycle time.

ore cycle time 121.8 seconds cycle time.

As long as it's nothing like the hacking minigame...

As long as it's nothing like the hacking minigame...

*facepalm*

Look. Granted, I mis spoke slightly, but what I'm talking about is that you can fill your ore hold on one ice node, while you have to swap occasionally between actual asteroids.

My bad on that.

But Ice mining is:

One F1. Come back half an hour later, warp to station, unload, warp to belt, go back to step 1.

Yay so you're actually playing the game once every 15 minutes instead of half an hour.

Changes everything, now it's a shining example of engaging gameplay.

You're kidding, right? The hacking minigame is what they should be using as a baseline, you actually have to pay some damned attention. And doing it in lower security areas is awesome, since you have to watch D-scan all the while.