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Dave Stark
5351
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Posted - 2014.05.07 11:44:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:So, I realized that I judged the time based on my own skills, to fly a bait Procurer. I hadn't realized that anyone could actually train up all those ice mining skills without going insane from boredom.
I don't particularly have an issue with PI. Or with research, or any of that other stuff. Mostly because they aren't in open space while they do it. And also because people who do those things tend not to ***** and moan about how they should be safe in open space.
so not interacting with the game is fine, you were just arguing that was the issue because you were parroting some one else's incorrect propaganda than using your own brain? |

Dave Stark
5351
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Posted - 2014.05.07 11:49:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Dave Stark wrote: if you want to do your part to stop bots; report them.
So you know what the difference is between a miner who is afk, and one who is botting? I sure don't. It's like the Pepsi Challenge. "9 out of 10 Caldari Navy Antimatter shells can't tell the difference!" If reporting them worked, we wouldn't have to gank them.
yeah, i do know the difference; the difference is the ones that carry on mining after being reported aren't botting, because they didn't get banned for botting.
reporting them does work, you just want to pretend it doesn't so you've got some pretend moral high ground to stand on to justify ganking them [tip, this is eve, you don't need a false pretext to shoot some one.] |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5848
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Posted - 2014.05.07 11:50:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote: so not interacting with the game is fine, you were just arguing that was the issue because you were parroting some one else's incorrect propaganda than using your own brain?
Not particularly. I was killing miners before it was cool. Yes, ganker hipster is a thing.
And as to the PI question..
Not interacting with the game while not being logged in, in open space is fine. You can do whatever you want while you're docked up, no one cares. Trade, make contracts, talk in local, write Fedo poetry, it doesn't matter.
When a PI guy goes to a poco to get his haul, and takes it back to a station, he is playing the game. Unless he's autopiloting.
But not playing the game while logged in, in open space, and making money? That is not fine. It's actually far worse than mission running, despite how very bad that activity is for being engaging gameplay.
A miner doesn't even shoot anything, they just sit there. Like scenery. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
25509
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Posted - 2014.05.07 11:50:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:reporting them does work, you just want to pretend it doesn't so you've got some pretend moral high ground to stand on to justify ganking them [tip, this is eve, you don't need a false pretext to shoot some one.] Well, they actually do, cause some of them activly harrass other players... but that's a different topic. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |

Dave Stark
5351
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Posted - 2014.05.07 11:56:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:But not playing the game while logged in, in open space, and making money? That is not fine. It's actually far worse than mission running, despite how very bad that activity is for being engaging gameplay.
A miner doesn't even shoot anything, they just sit there. Like scenery.
if the lasers are on, the miner is playing the game. if the lasers are off, he isn't making money.
also fun fact; afking in an ishtar makes MORE money for LESS interaction. yet you don't go around ganking them now do you? (or you might, i don't know, but you sure don't whine about it as much that's for sure)
i'll be honest, i don't really care if you gank miners or not. if you enjoy ganking miners; power to you, do it all day long. what irked me and caused me to respond is the pathetic justification [if you enjoy it, just say it, be proud of it] and the outright lies.
just stop pretending that it's some kind of issue to "justify" what you're doing. like i said earlier, it's not eve, you don't need some kind of pretend pretext. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5848
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:01:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:
also fun fact; afking in an ishtar makes MORE money for LESS interaction. yet you don't go around ganking them now do you? (or you might, i don't know, but you sure don't whine about it as much that's for sure)
Of course I try to kill them. Noticeable difference though, way more of them try to get away because they're actually at their keyboards. Bagged two Oracles in short succession with my SB character last week, though. Renters, yeesh. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Oxylan
QRDELESH - Mutual Admiration Society
119
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:01:00 -
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Come on why so much drama because people kill slow and other mining faster, two diffirent things.
Realy these rumor and sacrifice because of one extra drone... If it bleed we can kill it. |

Dave Stark
5351
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:03:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
also fun fact; afking in an ishtar makes MORE money for LESS interaction. yet you don't go around ganking them now do you? (or you might, i don't know, but you sure don't whine about it as much that's for sure)
Of course I try to kill them. Noticeable difference though, way more of them try to get away because they're actually at their keyboards. Bagged two Oracles in short succession with my SB character last week, though. Renters, yeesh.
no, it's easier for them to get away because it's far easier to identify hostiles outside of high sec. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5848
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:06:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
also fun fact; afking in an ishtar makes MORE money for LESS interaction. yet you don't go around ganking them now do you? (or you might, i don't know, but you sure don't whine about it as much that's for sure)
Of course I try to kill them. Noticeable difference though, way more of them try to get away because they're actually at their keyboards. Bagged two Oracles in short succession with my SB character last week, though. Renters, yeesh. no, it's easier for them to get away because it's far easier to identify hostiles outside of high sec.
Not in Provi, no.
And besides it's not hard to indentify hostiles in highsec. It's just that no one aligns when 8 neg tens jump into local. So either they think they are secure in "high security space" or they just aren't at their keyboards to notice.
Both warrant their destruction. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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stoicfaux
4769
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:07:00 -
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It's "ISK Destroyed" which could mean ammo use by mission runners, items used in manufacturing, losses to CONCORD, PI items being "destroyed" as they're converted into the next tier, etc. If so, then the PVP folks are really, really, really, really, a trivial part of the economy.
edit: Or it could be isk actually destroyed via isk sinks such as market taxes, etc..
Or CCP really needs to be a bit more descriptive about what metrics they're tracking. WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Dave Stark
5352
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:12:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Both warrant their destruction.
and power to you. just stop pretending it's for some greater good rather than the fact that you find it hilarious and entertaining. :P |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5848
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:15:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Both warrant their destruction. and power to you. just stop pretending it's for some greater good rather than the fact that you find it hilarious and entertaining. :P
Of course it's hilarious and entertaining.
It just so happens that it is for a greater good. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Dave Stark
5353
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:17:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Both warrant their destruction. and power to you. just stop pretending it's for some greater good rather than the fact that you find it hilarious and entertaining. :P Of course it's hilarious and entertaining. It just so happens that it is for a greater good.
some sleeping pills will help you get to sleep at night, but with the added bonus that you don't need to lie to yourself. |

Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
25512
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:19:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:It just so happens that it is for a greater good. We'll see about that, when prices shift because recycling isn't as profitable/industry relevant anymore as it used to be...
The greater good my a...  "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |

March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1468
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:20:00 -
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... The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5848
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:21:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:It just so happens that it is for a greater good. We'll see about that, when prices shift because recycling isn't as profitable/industry relevant anymore as it used to be... The greater good my a... 
What on earth does refining have to do with it?
Killing people is always a good cause, the economy does not function without loss. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Dave Stark
5353
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:24:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:It just so happens that it is for a greater good. We'll see about that, when prices shift because recycling isn't as profitable/industry relevant anymore as it used to be... The greater good my a... 
mineral prices won't shift that much, ccp are dumping more minerals in high end ore in an attempt to make the prospector relevant rather than redundant. |

Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
25512
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:28:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:mineral prices won't shift that much, ccp are dumping more minerals in high end ore in an attempt to make the prospector relevant rather than redundant. I know, what I meant was: Even more minerals will come from mining and even less from PvP/missions. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3191
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:36:00 -
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Any major shift in mineral prices will most likely be reflected by the market i.e inflation.
The people who will lose out are the people whose income doesn't scale with inflation i.e ratters and mission runners. Oh god. |

Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
25512
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:46:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Any major shift in mineral prices will most likely be reflected by the market i.e inflation.
The people who will lose out are the people whose income doesn't scale with inflation i.e ratters and mission runners. Of course, but it'll also mean (suicide) ganking will become an even bigger loose/loose scenario for the economy as a whole... those people already produce nothing, but with exceeding reliance of the market on miners to provide minerals, they could very well become an economic problem.
Hey, it's just as valid an argument then what the NO nuts propagate...  "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3191
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:51:00 -
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I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. Suicide ganking is unaffected by inflation afaik. Oh god. |

E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
611
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:59:00 -
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Cavalira wrote:Elmonky wrote:Posting in a all miners are bads ruining the game thread.
Grrr Gewns etc etc
Blah blah nerf hi sec, nerf lo sec, nerf cloaks nerf local. You're not funny, and your post suck hard. Seemed spot on. |

Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
614
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Posted - 2014.05.07 13:04:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Of course. They've gotten the capabilities of the real players repeatedly nerfed over the years.
It's only proof of one thing. Clearly, mining is too easy. I suggest we add loot spew to the asteroids. The added benefit being that you pretty much cannot bot it, and surely miners would never approve of botting, right?
Don't know any miners that bot. Know quite a few miners as well.
PvP tends to happen at the weekend, Friday through Sunday as it's very hard to get good numbers for a CTA otherwise unless there's something really major going down people are willing to bunk off work or school for.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
6364
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Posted - 2014.05.07 13:32:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Shalua Rui wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:So your point is that because structure shooting sucks and no one likes it... that somehow makes mining awesome, acceptable gameplay that isn't a step away from botting? No, my point is: All forms of gameplay in EVE have dull and uninteresting sides, and if CCP tries to reduce those, I'm all for it... but all folks like you see is: Evil miners are runing my pew pew.  While everything in EVE has *some* boring aspects, mining is the only thing that is nothing but a boring aspect. Besides, I just bump and gank them because "I'm doing my part" to stop botting. if you want to do your part to stop bots; report them.
He did, that's why it's called a kill REPORT now. 
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Scarlett LaBlanc
Midnight Savran Industries
88
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Posted - 2014.05.07 13:34:00 -
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Read all five pages, great entertainment value. Seem that the thread has been off topic since page one though......
Based on the current totals on the challenge page it is clear that miners really Do play (or perhaps just log in and bot, depending on your political outlook) during the week. It was said above that PvP'ers can not be arsed to log in untill the weekend.
It seems to me that the entire "ISK destroyed" category is counting on the CODE folks until Friday. You guys really need to get out there and gank. It's clear the miners are logged in, the entire PvP community is counting on you to carry the ball the next two days!
I won't even get started on the mission runners, they have been totally absent from this conversation. |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5455
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Posted - 2014.05.07 13:47:00 -
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Logged in to my (usually) sleepy out of the way system this morning only to see this.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
25527
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Posted - 2014.05.07 13:49:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Logged in to my (usually) sleepy out of the way system this morning only to see this. Ah, don't worry, it'll only get worse...  "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |

Ned Thomas
Death Rider inc M1NER CONFL1CT
13
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Posted - 2014.05.07 14:11:00 -
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I usually mine, and yesterday was the most active I've seen the indy corps around me. Everyone seemed pretty jazzed about having a goal to work towards. It was pretty cool.
I think I'll switch to grinding missions, and once the weekend gets here I'll load up as many throw away ships as I can afford with mission loot and go get blown up a lot to help with the destruction total. Shouldn't be hard, I suck at pvp  |

Felicity Love
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1774
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Posted - 2014.05.07 14:20:00 -
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Director Blackflame wrote:I am disappointed in you capsuleers...
And this surprises anyone, HOW, exactly ?
OH, sure, they'll tell you "well, we needed the ore anyway with all the indy changes coming up"...
It's sad, y'know.... all this denial.... and all it takes is a few free drones for the hardcore PVP'er to embrace his "inner carebear". 
"HTFU ! " -á--- -áKatee Sackhoff, aka "The F-Bomb Queen of EVE" ! !-á
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5457
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Posted - 2014.05.07 14:22:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Logged in to my (usually) sleepy out of the way system this morning only to see this. Ah, don't worry, it'll only get worse... 
It's low sec, so I was understandably surprised.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
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